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PrintableLittleBLUECorvette said: Moonbeam said: How much of that is trying to pay respect to a legend in his final season? Players say a lot of strange things. MJ's draft record should suggest that great players don't always make great talent evaluators. Heck, Kareem just said that Dirk was a one-trick pony. [Edited 2/5/16 14:47pm] But they've been saying that for years. And Dirk is a one trick pony. Just so happens that the trick is scoring and he's closingnout on being a top scorer all time. Well, saying that Kobe was better than LeBron in 2008 is different to saying his career is better overall now. LeBron has been a more dominant player since at least 2009 (I'd say earlier), and he has had a long enough career now for that to matter. If Kobe really was better, you'd think there would be 1 statistic in his favor. But there isn't. All favor LeBron, and some by quite a margin... I'm not a Bron fan, but I recognize that he's knocking on the door of the top 5. As for Dirk, he does a lot more than score. He is a very good passer and rebounder as well. [Edited 2/5/16 15:36pm] Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Moonbeam said: LittleBLUECorvette said: But they've been saying that for years. And Dirk is a one trick pony. Just so happens that the trick is scoring and he's closingnout on being a top scorer all time. Well, saying that Kobe was better than LeBron in 2008 is different to saying his career is better overall now. LeBron has been a more dominant player since at least 2009 (I'd say earlier), and he has had a long enough career now for that to matter. If Kobe really was better, you'd think there would be 1 statistic in his favor. But there isn't. All favor LeBron, and some by quite a margin... I'm not a Bron fan, but I recognize that he's knocking on the door of the top 5. As for Dirk, he does a lot more than score. He is a very good passer and rebounder as well. [Edited 2/5/16 15:36pm] Of course stats wise LeBron will have an edge. Kobe was behind Eddie Jones his first few years in the league and he's been injured the past few seasons. Eye test tells me Kobe is better. I've seen more games coming down to the wire where LeBron shrivels up or defers to Bobbie Gibson or Mo Williams or Wade. And Kobe lives for those moments. Dirk as a 7 footer never avg over 10 boards in a season. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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LittleBLUECorvette said: Moonbeam said: Well, saying that Kobe was better than LeBron in 2008 is different to saying his career is better overall now. LeBron has been a more dominant player since at least 2009 (I'd say earlier), and he has had a long enough career now for that to matter. If Kobe really was better, you'd think there would be 1 statistic in his favor. But there isn't. All favor LeBron, and some by quite a margin... I'm not a Bron fan, but I recognize that he's knocking on the door of the top 5. As for Dirk, he does a lot more than score. He is a very good passer and rebounder as well. [Edited 2/5/16 15:36pm] Of course stats wise LeBron will have an edge. Kobe was behind Eddie Jones his first few years in the league and he's been injured the past few seasons. Eye test tells me Kobe is better. I've seen more games coming down to the wire where LeBron shrivels up or defers to Bobbie Gibson or Mo Williams or Wade. And Kobe lives for those moments. Dirk as a 7 footer never avg over 10 boards in a season. So LeBron should be punished for being more durable and for being able to contribute immediately out of high school? The other stuff is just narrative. LeBron is a more willing passer than Kobe, and that's a good thing. And Kobe's clutch statistics are not something I would bring up in his favor... Dirk is a stretch 4. You can't expect him to gobble up a ton of rebounds, but he does pretty well, and really ramps up his rebounding in the postseason. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Moonbeam said: LittleBLUECorvette said: Of course stats wise LeBron will have an edge. Kobe was behind Eddie Jones his first few years in the league and he's been injured the past few seasons. Eye test tells me Kobe is better. I've seen more games coming down to the wire where LeBron shrivels up or defers to Bobbie Gibson or Mo Williams or Wade. And Kobe lives for those moments. Dirk as a 7 footer never avg over 10 boards in a season. So LeBron should be punished for being more durable and for being able to contribute immediately out of high school? The other stuff is just narrative. LeBron is a more willing passer than Kobe, and that's a good thing. And Kobe's clutch statistics are not something I would bring up in his favor... Dirk is a stretch 4. You can't expect him to gobble up a ton of rebounds, but he does pretty well, and really ramps up his rebounding in the postseason. I'm not punishing Bron. Sometimes LeBron passes at the wrong time when he should be taking over. LeBron should be outside of the top ten and Kobe inside it. And not even hating on Dirk, I'm surprised ESPN has him inside the top 20. Thought they would have had him around the early 20s. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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LittleBLUECorvette said: Moonbeam said: So LeBron should be punished for being more durable and for being able to contribute immediately out of high school? The other stuff is just narrative. LeBron is a more willing passer than Kobe, and that's a good thing. And Kobe's clutch statistics are not something I would bring up in his favor... Dirk is a stretch 4. You can't expect him to gobble up a ton of rebounds, but he does pretty well, and really ramps up his rebounding in the postseason. I'm not punishing Bron. Sometimes LeBron passes at the wrong time when he should be taking over. LeBron should be outside of the top ten and Kobe inside it. And not even hating on Dirk, I'm surprised ESPN has him inside the top 20. Thought they would have had him around the early 20s. I think LeBron makes far better decisions than Kobe. The stats bear that out in the clutch as well. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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I'd take Pippen over all of these guys except Moses Malone. Pippen was a better defensive player that everyone on this list. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Graycap23 said:
I'd take Pippen over all of these guys except Moses Malone. Pippen was a better defensive player that everyone on this list. Scottie Pippen. The guy who subbed himself out of the game because Phil Jackson ran the last play for Toni Kukoc. The guy who missed game 7 of the 1990 East Finals because of a "headache." Lol. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Yes...the guy with 6 rings, just under 23,000 points and the best small forward defensive player in history. Lol...... FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Graycap23 said:
Yes...the guy with 6 rings, just under 23,000 points and the best small forward defensive player in history. Lol..... Pippen is way under 23,000. I think he has around 17,000. Sam Jones has 10 but not anywhere near Pippen when he should be. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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LittleBLUECorvette said: Graycap23 said:
Yes...the guy with 6 rings, just under 23,000 points and the best small forward defensive player in history. Lol..... Pippen is way under 23,000. I think he has around 17,000. Sam Jones has 10 but not anywhere near Pippen when he should be. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Graycap23 said: LittleBLUECorvette said: Pippen is way under 23,000. I think he has around 17,000. Sam Jones has 10 but not anywhere near Pippen when he should be. But no one has ever said Kareem has over 44,000 points, it's always 38,000. Those are kept seperate. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Folks always want to down play Pippen.......you know it and I know it. It's nonsense. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Graycap23 said:
Folks always want to down play Pippen.....you know it and I know it. It's nonsense. I like Pippen, he just ain't no top 20 player all time. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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So I guess defense doen's count at the NBA level? Of the guys in your top 20...how many were better defensive players than Pippen? [Edited 2/7/16 13:10pm] FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Graycap23 said:
So I guess defense doen's count at the NBA level? Of the guys in your top 20...how many were better defensive players than Pippen? [Edited 2/7/16 13:10pm] His offense is not enough. And he's not a Bill Russell on defense. He's top 40. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Ok. Based on your response, you blieve that the top 20 players on your list are better defensive players than Pippen? [Edited 2/7/16 14:31pm] FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Graycap23 said:
Ok. Based on your response, you blieve that the top 20 players on your list are better defensive players than Pippen? [Edited 2/7/16 14:31pm] Of the top 20 players Russell, Wilt, Olajuwon, West, Duncan, Jordan and David Robinson are better defenders. If they have Garnett in the 20, he's better too. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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So of your top 20 only 8 are better defensive players, yet Scottie is a better defensive players than the other 12 and he isn't top 20. That is interesting........
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Graycap23 said:
So of your top 20 only 8 are better defensive players, yet Scottie is a better defensive players than the other 12 and he isn't top 20. That is interesting.....
But Scottie is the worst offensive players of everyone here. Does offense not matter? If I need a go-to bucket, he's the last on the list. And guys like Kareem, Robertson, both Malone's, Kobe, Bird are not bad defenders by any stretch. Dirk and Barkley are the worse in top 20 but they're no James Harden. [Edited 2/7/16 15:07pm] PRINCE: Always and Forever
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His lack of shots is becuasem of his better known teammate. Lack of shots isn't the same as lack of skills. All of those other guys were stars in highschool and college. Scottieswas an unknown until he developed in the NBA. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Graycap23 said:
His lack of shots is becuasem of his better known teammate. Lack of shots isn't the same as lack of skills. All of those other guys were stars in highschool and college. Scottieswas an unknown until he developed in the NBA. Duncan and Hakeem didn't play ball until ages 15 and 17. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Any list without The Big O and Mr. Clutch in the top 10 is a bogus list. | |
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The top 10 is getting pretty crowded. I have West at 10 and Robertson at 12 on my list.
For the record, I think Pippen is a deserving top 25 player. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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ESPN's comments section is a treat.
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List continues to be a joke. LeBron over Shaq and Duncan. Bron lost to Duncan twice in the Finals (almost three times. Got saved by #49 on the list after clanking a 3 pointer and #86 getting the rebound.) PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Oscar's in my top 5. Young fans today don't realize how great he was. | |
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Bron over Russell and Bird also ... PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Lol, Bron over Wilt now. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Oh shit it don't stop there. He's ranked over Magic too. Last three are Kareem, Jordan and freaking LeBron James ... hell, ESPN may surprise us and have him number 1. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Just goes 2 show you what stock should be put into these lists. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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