uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't improve their team immediately with the pick at 4. I hear good things about DeAngelo Russell, maybe he's there at 4.

I wanted one of the big men, Okafor or Towns.

I understand. Believe me.

phunkdaddy said:

RodeoSchro said:

He is the Scottie Pippen of his era, but without a Michael Jordan to make him look like a Hall of Famer.

At least he has never quit on his team like Pippen did.

Comparing Noah to Pippen is like comparing an old broken down Ford truck to a sleek Mercedes. MJ definitely made Pippen a better player during his early years but once Pippen hit his stride he was MJ lite and actually was a better defender with his length.

I disagree. I watched him up close and personal with two Hall of Famers beside him (Olajuwon and Drexler). He had no freaking idea what to do, because Hakeem and Clyde wouldn't babysit him.

And to Graycap's point, I would remind him that Pippen never won a title without Jordan.

He was clearly a talented basketball player but one of the top 50 of the century? Please. Not even close.

To top it off, he was a quitter. He quit on his team in the playoffs. Anyone that defends a quitter must be a fan of quitting. Probably no coincidence that "Pippen" rhymes with "Quittin'", LOL.

i wanted Towns, but id settle for Mudiay or Wilie Cauley Stein...

Knicks definitely need a point guard...and the Great Larry Brown said Mudiay is the best point guard he ever saw at that age...thats a good enough endorsement for me...and i think Cauley Stein is gonna be better as a pro than he was at Kentucky...

RJOrion said:

i wanted Towns, but id settle for Mudiay or Wilie Cauley Stein...

Knicks definitely need a point guard...and the Great Larry Brown said Mudiay is the best point guard he ever saw at that age...thats a good enough endorsement for me...and i think Cauley Stein is gonna be better as a pro than he was at Kentucky...

Cauley-Stein...nah...to me, he's another Tyson Chandler. I want a big man with some offensive game.

uPtoWnNY said:

RJOrion said:

i wanted Towns, but id settle for Mudiay or Wilie Cauley Stein...

Knicks definitely need a point guard...and the Great Larry Brown said Mudiay is the best point guard he ever saw at that age...thats a good enough endorsement for me...and i think Cauley Stein is gonna be better as a pro than he was at Kentucky...

Cauley-Stein...nah...to me, he's another Tyson Chandler. I want a big man with some offensive game.

i hear you..but 1, i think Cauley Stein will develop some game in the NBA, now that he'll have 24/7 to work on his craft...2. with Carmelo caressing and smothering the ball all night, you dont want someone thats gonna pout when he dont get touches...Melo the incessant ballstopping ballhog, is who he is, he'll never change... you see how free JR.Smith looks, now that he actually gets to touch the ball early in the shotclock...

RodeoSchro said:

phunkdaddy said:

RodeoSchro said:

I disagree. I watched him up close and personal with two Hall of Famers beside him (Olajuwon and Drexler). He had no freaking idea what to do, because Hakeem and Clyde wouldn't babysit him.

And to Graycap's point, I would remind him that Pippen never won a title without Jordan.

He was clearly a talented basketball player but one of the top 50 of the century? Please. Not even close.

To top it off, he was a quitter. He quit on his team in the playoffs. Anyone that defends a quitter must be a fan of quitting. Probably no coincidence that "Pippen" rhymes with "Quittin'", LOL.

I don't think Pippen ever played with Drexler in Houston, he played with Barkley and Olajuwon. Barkley played one year with Drexler and Olajuwon. When Pippen got to Houston his role changed and I do remember once him complaining about not getting the ball enough and when the analysts dissected it he was taking the most shots. Pippen was for a few years the best small forward in the game an a All Star. If Pip wasn't a top 50 player of all time he damn sure was pretty close and as I stated earlier he was a better defender than Jordan. You keep pointing to the one incident where he wasn't happ with the play call that went to Zhukov instead of him which doesn't disqualify him from being a great player. That's like saying Allen Iverson wasn't an All Star because he didn't like to practice.

Yeah, you're right it was Barkley. Still a Hall of Famer, and yep - Scottie Pippen was a total crybaby with the Rockets.

If you've ever competed at any level in any team sport, you know that a teammate quitting on you is the absolute worst thing they can do. And Pippen quit on his team. He wouldn't go back into the game because he was a little crybaby who didn't get to take the last shot.

The fact that he's a quitter aside, he was a very good player. But no way was he one of the top 50 of the 20th century. Not in my opinion anyway. I don't know how anyone can be a Top 50 player when they pretty much were never even the best player on their team.

RodeoSchro said:

phunkdaddy said:

RodeoSchro said: I don't think Pippen ever played with Drexler in Houston, he played with Barkley and Olajuwon. Barkley played one year with Drexler and Olajuwon. When Pippen got to Houston his role changed and I do remember once him complaining about not getting the ball enough and when the analysts dissected it he was taking the most shots. Pippen was for a few years the best small forward in the game an a All Star. If Pip wasn't a top 50 player of all time he damn sure was pretty close and as I stated earlier he was a better defender than Jordan. You keep pointing to the one incident where he wasn't happ with the play call that went to Zhukov instead of him which doesn't disqualify him from being a great player. That's like saying Allen Iverson wasn't an All Star because he didn't like to practice.

Yeah, you're right it was Barkley. Still a Hall of Famer, and yep - Scottie Pippen was a total crybaby with the Rockets.

If you've ever competed at any level in any team sport, you know that a teammate quitting on you is the absolute worst thing they can do. And Pippen quit on his team. He wouldn't go back into the game because he was a little crybaby who didn't get to take the last shot.

The fact that he's a quitter aside, he was a very good player. But no way was he one of the top 50 of the 20th century. Not in my opinion anyway. I don't know how anyone can be a Top 50 player when they pretty much were never even the best player on their team.

By that ridiculous logic, every player that was a teammate of another top 50 player would be eliminated from the list. Talk about NONSENSE.

Graycap23 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Yeah, you're right it was Barkley. Still a Hall of Famer, and yep - Scottie Pippen was a total crybaby with the Rockets.

If you've ever competed at any level in any team sport, you know that a teammate quitting on you is the absolute worst thing they can do. And Pippen quit on his team. He wouldn't go back into the game because he was a little crybaby who didn't get to take the last shot.

The fact that he's a quitter aside, he was a very good player. But no way was he one of the top 50 of the 20th century. Not in my opinion anyway. I don't know how anyone can be a Top 50 player when they pretty much were never even the best player on their team.

By that ridiculous logic, every player that was a teammate of another top 50 player would be eliminated from the list. Talk about NONSENSE.

Can you name any other Top 50 player that was never the best player on their team?

I'll wait.

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

By that ridiculous logic, every player that was a teammate of another top 50 player would be eliminated from the list. Talk about NONSENSE.

Can you name any other Top 50 player that was never the best player on their team?

I'll wait.

Kevin Mchale

Robert Parrish

James Worthy

Magic Johnson (Kareem was the best player on that team)

Bob Cousy

John Havlichek

Sam Jones

John Stockton

Willis reed

Bill Sharman

2 name a few

Graycap23 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Can you name any other Top 50 player that was never the best player on their team?

I'll wait.

Kevin Mchale

Robert Parrish

James Worthy

Magic Johnson (Kareem was the best player on that team)

Bob Cousy

John Havlichek

Sam Jones

John Stockton

Willis reed

Bill Sharman

2 name a few

Now, how many of them quit on their team in the playoffs?

Great players don't quit on their team.

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

Kevin Mchale

Robert Parrish

James Worthy

Magic Johnson (Kareem was the best player on that team)

Bob Cousy

John Havlichek

Sam Jones

John Stockton

Willis reed

Bill Sharman

2 name a few

Now, how many of them quit on their team in the playoffs?

Great players don't quit on their team.

U sound foolish.

Graycap23 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Now, how many of them quit on their team in the playoffs?

Great players don't quit on their team.

U sound foolish.

That goes both ways but I'd rather not be the one defending a quitter.

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

U sound foolish.

That goes both ways but I'd rather not be the one defending a quitter.

Wow...........since he is in the HOF with 6 titles what u are taking about is a nonstory.

Your logic is flawed. u asked 4 names.....I gave u names of players who weren't the BEST player on thier team oand u as usual ignored the FACTS.

I'm done here.

Harden got his heart broken last night . Why they do that boy like that?

purplepolitician said:

Harden got his heart broken last night . Why they do that boy like that?

I'm glad the ref didn't get involved.

I was waiting 4 them 2 do something stupid.

MJ may not have won without Pippen

Scottie Pippen may have been the most significant figure in the history of the NBA.

Nah, lots of guys refuse to go into games. Heck, Carmelo Anthony made the Olympic team after he did it last season. At least Pippen didn't have the gall to do it as a rookie.

No, Scottie Pippen enabled Michael Jordan to be a champion.

You say you see it the other way around, that Pippen rode Jordan's coattails, or at least his Air Jordans, that Jordan's greatness enabled Pippen to play for six championship teams, to be named among the top 50 players of all time in the vote in the late 1990s, to become a probable Hall of Famer in 2009.

That's when Pippen will be eligible after officially announcing his retirement Tuesday from the NBA.

It was a sedate ending Tuesday at the Chicago Bulls' Berto training center in Deerfield, Ill. No press conference, though there'll be one and a jersey retirement ceremony, but maybe not for another season or two.

"I don't really have any regrets," said Pippen in a brief session set up for local media.

No Tom Brokaw, like at Michael Jordan's retirement announcement. Pippen did, however, say he was 100 percent sure he wouldn't return, going one tenth of one percent up on Jordan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_sam&id=1895719

Western Conference Finals

Game 2

Houston Rockets 98 Golden State Warriors 99


In the end, James Harden let the game slip away from his hands.

Golden State would start this game out strong, jumping to a 17 point lead early in the second quarter. But then James Harden would go on a tear and bring the Rockets back to tie the game at the half. From that point on it was a duel between Hraden and Stephen Curry, who would each lead their respective teams down the stretch. Curry made five 3-pointers to go with six assists and three rebounds. He got a big boost from his teammates -- notably Andrew Bogut, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson. Curry connected on a 3-pointer, then found Bogut under the rim for a layup that sent the 7-footer flexing his muscles and shouting to the roaring, yellow-shirt-wearing crowd. Bogut missed the ensuing free throw, but the Warriors led 96-89 with 2:25 left.

Harden brought Houston back, and the Rockets forced the Warriors into an eight-second, backcourt violation before Harden found Howard for an alley-oop that sliced Golden State's lead to 99-98 with 33 seconds remaining.

After a timeout, Harrison Barnes missed a difficult reverse layup contested by Howard as the shot clock nearly expired. Harden got the ball down the court, and Rockets coach Kevin McHale elected not to call timeout because his team had the Warriors scrambling and outmanned.

Harden was defended by Thompson, and Curry came over near the 3-point line, where Harden lost the ball. Time expired amid the scramble.

Harden scored 38 points, grabbed 10 rebounds, and dished out nine assists in this game, but was despondent over the dribble he could not hold on to at the end. Dwight Howard scored 19 points and grabbed 17 rebounds in a losing effort, while Terrence Jones added 12 points and Josh Smith 10 points. Stephen Curry scored 33 points for the Warriors. Andrew Bogut scored 14 points, grabbed eight rebounds and blocked five shots. Draymond Green added 12 points, eight rebounds, and seven assists while Klay Thompson added 13 points.

Golden State leads series 2-0.

Eastern Conference Finals

Game 2

Cleveland Cavaliers 94 Atlanta Hawks 82

DeMarre Carroll injured himself in game 1 and it appeared his status for this game and the remainder of this series was very doubtful. However, he did return to the starting lineup but played only limited minutes in the game. Meanwhile, Kyrie Irving was scratched from this game after reaggravating an injury to his left knee.

No problem. Just let Lebron take over.

In the first half Lebron James played like a man possessed, scoring 19 of his 30 points in the half. But by the third quarter he became the waiter, dishing out assists to his teammates, and they repaid his gifts by blowing the game open. Tristan Thompson and Timofey Mosgov were beasts in the low post, with Thompson scoring seven points and grabbing 16 rebounds while Mosgov scored 10 points and grabbed seven rebounds. Meanwhile, Iman Shumpert, James Jones and Matthew Dellavedova attacked from behind the 3-point line, with Shumpert scoring 12 of his 16 points from behind the arc and Jones scoring all nine of his points on 3-pointers. Dellavedova added 11 points, and Lebron would finish with 30 points, 11 assists, and nine rebounds.

Meanwhile, the Hawks struggled. Dennis Schroder led the Hawks with just 13 points while Al Horford, Jeff Teague, and Kyle Korver each added 12 points. But to add injury to insult, Korver injured his right ankle in a scrum with Matthew Dellavedova while diving for a loose ball, and it turned out to be a high ankle sprain which will sideline him for the remainder of the playoffs. Unfortunately for the Hawks, many fans exited Philips Arena early believing they may have seen their last home game this season.

Cleveland leads series 2-0.

Western Conference Finals

Game 3

Golden State Warriors 115 Houston Rockets 80

The first two games of this series were highly competitive contests that Golden State hung on to win. This game would not be like those games; in fact, it was a blowout early and got even more lopsided as time went on.

The blowout was led by Stephen Curry, who scored 40 points including seven 3-pointers while also dishing out seven assists and grabbing five rebounds. Draymond Green and Klay Thompson each scored 17 points while Andrew Bogut added 12 points and 12 rebounds. Meanwhile for the Rockets, James Harden struggled in this game. Though he led Houston with 17 points, he only shot 3 for 16 from the floor. Josh Smith scored 16 points while grabbing eight rebounds, and Dwight Howard added 14 points and 14 rebounds. Golden State now has a chance to close out this series on Houston's home court.

Golden State leads series 3-0.

phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:

Some fools actually think Noah is an all-star. One of the most overrated players in NBA history.

He's a decent rebounder and defender and an all star at trash talk but

has the ugliest offensive game I've seen since Dikembe Mutuombo. Noah

is not the all star he think he is.

I'm really really late to the party, but it couldn't be helped.

What special Kool - Aid are you two drinking? Noah isn't an all-star, give me a "f" break. I don't anyone who has ever luaded Noah as the seconded coming on Mutoumbo or anyone else for that matter Both of ya'll are trying to stir-up some sillness that nobody has ever considered. Noah, is a solid basketballl center. He's the guy that's kept the Bulls out of the basebment when D. Rose was hurt and in spite of Luol Deng being traded.

How to I define an All-Star? In part... any player who contribution & talent help a team that would otherwise underachieve rise above limited talent of the team. Noah as been a leader on and off the court.... more so than D Rose has ever been. Don't get me started on Rose's mentally fragile butt.

The NBA playoffs... it's the seaon to talk a lil' trash... my lil phunkdaddy are you ready?

TD3 said:

phunkdaddy said:

He's a decent rebounder and defender and an all star at trash talk but

has the ugliest offensive game I've seen since Dikembe Mutuombo. Noah

is not the all star he think he is.

I'm really really late to the party, but it couldn't be helped.

What special Kool - Aid are you two drinking? Noah isn't an all-star, give me a "f" break. I don't anyone who has ever luaded Noah as the seconded coming on Mutoumbo or anyone else for that matter Both of ya'll are trying to stir-up some sillness that nobody has ever considered. Noah, is a solid basketballl center. He's the guy that's kept the Bulls out of the basebment when D. Rose was hurt and in spite of Luol Deng being traded.

How to I define an All-Star? In part... any player who contribution & talent help a team that would otherwise underachieve rise above limited talent of the team. Noah as been a leader on and off the court.... more so than D Rose has ever been. Don't get me started on Rose's mentally fragile butt.

The NBA playoffs... it's the seaon to talk a lil' trash... my lil phunkdaddy are you ready?

Dude is a scrub. Everytime he checks his bank account he must laugh his ass off at the Bulls mgmt 4 paying him 8 figures a year.

Pittsburgh needs a team

[Edited 5/24/15 12:54pm]

TD3 said:

RJOrion said:

LMAO.. People still trying to convince themselves that Joakim Noah is anything more than an overrated role player with a big mouth and good hair?...his allstar selection was a joke...hes arguably not even the best big man on his own team...id rather have Taj Gibson [Edited 5/24/15 18:56pm]

One of the worse all star selections of all time.

RJOrion said:

LMAO.. People still trying to convince themselves that Joakim Noah is anything more than an overrated role player with a big mouth and good hair?...his allstar selection was a joke...hes arguably not even the best big man on his own team...id rather have Taj Gibson [Edited 5/24/15 18:56pm]

No way. Joakim Noah IS an All Star. But only because the Eastern Conference needed a representative that actually played the center position. I like Noah and the role he plays for the Chicago Bulls, but he's not up there with the likes of Dwight Howard, DeMarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan (free throws notwithstanding), Tyson Chandler, or Marc Gasol. In fact, he's arguably not much better at the center position than Marc's brother and his fellow teammate Pau, not to mention Andre Drummond who gets overlooked because he's toiling for the Detroit Pistons or the PF/C combo players like Al Horford or Chris Bosh. And what about Marcin Gortat?

kpowers said:

Pittsburgh needs a team

[Edited 5/24/15 12:54pm]

What about the Pittsburgh Pisces?

Eastern Conference Finals

Game 3

Atlanta Hawks 111 Cleveland Cavaliers 114 F/OT

When this game finally ended, Lebron James fell to the floor in exhaustion. This game was personally a huge struggle for him, but one that he ultimately overcame with sheer will.

The Cavs came into this game up two games on the Atlanta Hawks and now having home court advantage. Yet the Hawks refused to roll over, and the Cavs themsleves came out a little flat. In fact Lebron James had his most miserable start to any game in his game in his career, missing his first 10 shots before finally scoring his first points on free throws. Meanwhile, Jeff Teague led the scrappy Hawks team in the first half while Al Horford added 14 points. But late in the first half, Horford hustled for a loose ball on the floor, and Cavs guard Matthew Dellavedova rolled up on his right leg. The Atlanta big man responded by bringing his right elbow down hard and appearing to connect with the side of the scrappy Australian guard's face. The three officials took their time watching a review of the play before assessing Horford a flagrant foul 2 and ejecting him from the game.

This would affect the Hawks, as the Cavs would grab a 10 point lead going into the fourth quarter, But Jeff Teague and Paul Milsap would rally the Hawks, with Teague scoring 30 points and Milsap adding 22 points. But Lebron James would break out of his funk, eventually finishing with a triple double of 37 points, 18 rebounds, and 13 assists. The Hawks had a chance to steal the victory at the end of regulation but Jeff Teague missed a 3-pointer.

Then in overtime it went back and forth, and the Hawks would take the lead on a Jeff Teague jumper with 55 seconds remaining. But Lebron would hit a clutch 3-pointer to put the Cavs ahead and later hit another jumper that would put them up by three with 12 seconds remaining. Atlanta had two chances to tie it in the final seconds, but Shelvin Mack missed two 3-pointers, and the Cavs escaped with a hard fought victory. They can now close out this series in front of their home fans.

Cleveland leads series 3-0.

If last night's performance doesn't shut up the Lebron haters, I don't know what will. No Love, no Irving, banged-up and he did whatever it took to get that win.

But that flagrant 2 on Horford was bogus. He had every right to be upset when a dude comes at his knees. This is the third incident with Dellavadova.