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Reply #30 posted 03/03/15 10:00am

babynoz

SuperSoulFighter said:

Facebook users should realize (but I think they don't) that they're not the customer. They are the product. The advertising companies are fb's customers. The users are the product. Plus is saddens me that for a lot of people, facebook is the only book they ever read. sad



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Reply #31 posted 03/03/15 10:45am

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Reply #32 posted 03/03/15 10:49am

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TD3 said:

Facebook is no good. biggrin How many times do I have to say this?! lol

Yet...

Facebook isn't even the tip of the icebreg for data mining: Apps, Amazon, Apple, eBay, Cable / Interent providers, Google, Microsoft, Modems / Routers, and the upteem "free" Cloud companies can and do get more info about you.


'7 Reasons Why You Should Quit Using the Internet This Year'

=======================

[Edited 3/3/15 4:14am]


Richard M. Stallman goes deeper about Facebook:

Facebook and Master Card will join forces to profile M... customers so banks can push them to spend more.

By doing this, Master Card is ratting on its customers. This reinforces the point that using a credit card enables others to take advantage of you. It also interferes with your efforts to limit your spending.

Don't be tracked — pay cash.


The NSA tracks Americans' social networks, and Facebook is just one of its sources.

Thus, if you talk about your friends in Facebook, you're ratting on them. If you say that you saw John and Arthur, you tell the NSA that John knows Arthur. If John and Arthur are dissidents, or journalists, your information will help the government suppress dissent or journalism.

Facebook's mobile app snoops on SMS messages.


Facebook invites useds to nag other useds to fill in their profiles with all sorts of personal information.


When useds log in to a site through Facebook, Facebook gives the site access to...nformation about the user.

If this is what a site demands from you, you should not touch it anyway!


Facebook carefully studies all the text that its useds type in and then don't submit.


Facebook, as an "experiment", collected the text its useds started to enter as status updates and ultimately did not send.

Facebook also announced it planned to track mouse movement eve...of a click.

These work by means of malicious Javascript code.


Pages that contain Facebook "like" buttons enable Facebook to track visitors to those pages. Facebook tracks Internet users that see "like" buttons, even users who never visited facebook.com and never click on those buttons.

The ACLU has a way of enabling users to click a Facebook "like" button, which avoids this problem. Its pages have a link called "like us on Facebook" that leads to a Facebook page where it is possible to push a "like" button for the ACLU. But if you don't follow that link, Facebook gets no information about your visit to the ACLU page.

This page gives details about how much Facebook tracks useds' browsing, which applies even to users that don't have Facebook accounts.


Facebook has turned on automatic face recognition on photos.

Facebook says that it only suggests identifications for faces in photos for people who are the used's friends. However, it might run the algorithm over every photo posted and not publicly announce the results.

I ask people not to post photos of me on Facebook.


Many things can be determined about a Facebook used, with pretty good accuracy, from the used's published list of "likes".

If you do as I do, and reject Facebook, you are safe from this form of snooping.

How can we get the news items that interest us, without telling a server what criterion to use? Simple: download lists of items, and have software on our own machine decide which articles to show. This software can fetch additional articles (which it doesn't actually show us) just to create a false trail.


Facebook asks its useds to provide their entire list of other people's email addresses.

This by itself is surveillance of those other people, but Facebook uses it to go further and try to guess the relationships of people who are not Facebook useds.

That information must be worth some money to companies. It is surely worth money to the secret police of any country that isn't democratic enough.

However, principal wrong here is not that Facebook can guess which non-useds know you or me. It is that Facebook collects information from its useds about whether they know you or me.

I think we can formulate the principle that any social network that asks its members for information about other people is abusive.


Facebook apps have access to that used's information — and the useds' "friends'" information, too. Thus, if you make the mistake of using Facebook, even if you don't let a company access your data, any of your "friends" can... your data.


Innocent-seeming text posted on Facebook could cause you lots of trouble, due to development of systems to deduce things about you.


Facebook has automatically pushed useds' @facebook.com email addresses (which they never asked for) into the contact lists in other people's phones.

The lesson here is that it is a fundamental mistake to trust a company such as Facebook to give anyone data about you. It will give them the data it wants them to have, not the data you want to give them.


How did Mari Sherkin end up on a dating site unwillingly? Facebook opens browser windows showing other companies' sites, which trick Facebook useds into...m Facebook.




SOURCE:

https://stallman.org/facebook.html

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Reply #33 posted 03/03/15 11:14am

TonyVanDam

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CarrieMpls said:

OK, I’ll bite. I’m a regular user of the facebook.



There’s merit to most of the above, but, eh, none of it concerns me all that much. Is it a time-waster? Sure, but so are all kinds of things that a lot of people enjoy. Like the org, for example. lol And “waste” is in the eye of the beholder.

As for ads or selling stuff, we’re bombarded with that everywhere, from tv to walking down the street to riding the bus to nearly every other website you visit anywhere ever. If that’s a justification for leaving you’ll need to nearly drop out of society to avoid it.



Health? There are far worse things for your health than participating in one website. lol And many of us participate in those activities responsibly and with proper moderation as well. We take the risk because the benefit we see is worth it. If you don’t, then fair enough.

As for whether the people are your “friends” or not, each person’s user experience is unique. If you hate scrolling through your feed it’s your own fault for choosing your “friends” poorly. I personally regularly cull my list. And enjoy keeping up with enough of the folks that are there.



Does what I post matter? Well, then you’re getting into philosophical questions. Matter to who? My mom and aunt love seeing my facebook posts and tell me so all the time. I enjoy looking at pictures of my friends vacations. I enjoy giggling at the funny things my friends write and reading some thoughtful articles or blog posts I likely wouldn’t have found otherwise. Many of my friends aren’t people I can readily invite over for dinner any old time I want and, being an introvert, sometimes I prefer communicating in print/typing form anyway. It’s interesting to me that someone who participated in a community like the org doesn’t see the value of the cultivation of your own personal online community. It’s really not that different from what we once had here, only now you’re not focusing that community around one shared hobby/like.



You can control chunks of the privacy piece but this is where I do find some reason to pause with concern. So I’ll give ya that one.



Like everything else, facebook is what you make of it. Eh. shrug

[Edited 3/3/15 6:49am]


All of THAT^ is nice and all, but at the expense of the CIA to have information about you in their database?!? Really?

And of those of you that want proof about the Facebook/CIA connection, look at THIS:


THAT^ information have been out for 2+ years thus far and most people in the USA do not seem to give a damn about their U.S. Constitutional rights anymore.

I don't mean to be disrespect to anyone because at the end of the day, everyone has a Freedom Of Choice to do whatever. But some people have to be naive sheeps and/or damn fools if they think losing their privacy is no big deal.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
---Benjamin Franklin 11/11/1755

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Reply #34 posted 03/03/15 12:11pm

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TonyVanDam said:

CarrieMpls said:

OK, I’ll bite. I’m a regular user of the facebook.



There’s merit to most of the above, but, eh, none of it concerns me all that much. Is it a time-waster? Sure, but so are all kinds of things that a lot of people enjoy. Like the org, for example. lol And “waste” is in the eye of the beholder.

As for ads or selling stuff, we’re bombarded with that everywhere, from tv to walking down the street to riding the bus to nearly every other website you visit anywhere ever. If that’s a justification for leaving you’ll need to nearly drop out of society to avoid it.



Health? There are far worse things for your health than participating in one website. lol And many of us participate in those activities responsibly and with proper moderation as well. We take the risk because the benefit we see is worth it. If you don’t, then fair enough.

As for whether the people are your “friends” or not, each person’s user experience is unique. If you hate scrolling through your feed it’s your own fault for choosing your “friends” poorly. I personally regularly cull my list. And enjoy keeping up with enough of the folks that are there.



Does what I post matter? Well, then you’re getting into philosophical questions. Matter to who? My mom and aunt love seeing my facebook posts and tell me so all the time. I enjoy looking at pictures of my friends vacations. I enjoy giggling at the funny things my friends write and reading some thoughtful articles or blog posts I likely wouldn’t have found otherwise. Many of my friends aren’t people I can readily invite over for dinner any old time I want and, being an introvert, sometimes I prefer communicating in print/typing form anyway. It’s interesting to me that someone who participated in a community like the org doesn’t see the value of the cultivation of your own personal online community. It’s really not that different from what we once had here, only now you’re not focusing that community around one shared hobby/like.



You can control chunks of the privacy piece but this is where I do find some reason to pause with concern. So I’ll give ya that one.



Like everything else, facebook is what you make of it. Eh. shrug

[Edited 3/3/15 6:49am]


All of THAT^ is nice and all, but at the expense of the CIA to have information about you in their database?!? Really?



Even if that is the case, that the CIA is tracking all of the information gathered on me by my facebook use, can you tell me what the plausible risks to me are?

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Reply #35 posted 03/03/15 1:09pm

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CarrieMpls said:

TonyVanDam said:


All of THAT^ is nice and all, but at the expense of the CIA to have information about you in their database?!? Really?



Even if that is the case, that the CIA is tracking all of the information gathered on me by my facebook use, can you tell me what the plausible risks to me are?


The video I have in my previous post should've answered most of THAT^ question already. You will be at risk of every U.S. governmental agencies having whatever kind of information they want about yourself and make it a part of their permanment metadata collection. Yes, this does include your nude selfies! And if you have already mention the names and/or pictures of your relatives, friends, and associates, those kinds of information with be in the metadata collection as well.

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Reply #36 posted 03/03/15 1:49pm

RodeoSchro

Carrie, I've already debunked the "Facebook/CIA" BS on a P&R thread.

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Reply #37 posted 03/03/15 1:52pm

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TonyVanDam said:

CarrieMpls said:

OK, I’ll bite. I’m a regular user of the facebook.



There’s merit to most of the above, but, eh, none of it concerns me all that much. Is it a time-waster? Sure, but so are all kinds of things that a lot of people enjoy. Like the org, for example. lol And “waste” is in the eye of the beholder.

As for ads or selling stuff, we’re bombarded with that everywhere, from tv to walking down the street to riding the bus to nearly every other website you visit anywhere ever. If that’s a justification for leaving you’ll need to nearly drop out of society to avoid it.



Health? There are far worse things for your health than participating in one website. lol And many of us participate in those activities responsibly and with proper moderation as well. We take the risk because the benefit we see is worth it. If you don’t, then fair enough.

As for whether the people are your “friends” or not, each person’s user experience is unique. If you hate scrolling through your feed it’s your own fault for choosing your “friends” poorly. I personally regularly cull my list. And enjoy keeping up with enough of the folks that are there.



Does what I post matter? Well, then you’re getting into philosophical questions. Matter to who? My mom and aunt love seeing my facebook posts and tell me so all the time. I enjoy looking at pictures of my friends vacations. I enjoy giggling at the funny things my friends write and reading some thoughtful articles or blog posts I likely wouldn’t have found otherwise. Many of my friends aren’t people I can readily invite over for dinner any old time I want and, being an introvert, sometimes I prefer communicating in print/typing form anyway. It’s interesting to me that someone who participated in a community like the org doesn’t see the value of the cultivation of your own personal online community. It’s really not that different from what we once had here, only now you’re not focusing that community around one shared hobby/like.



You can control chunks of the privacy piece but this is where I do find some reason to pause with concern. So I’ll give ya that one.



Like everything else, facebook is what you make of it. Eh. shrug

[Edited 3/3/15 6:49am]


All of THAT^ is nice and all, but at the expense of the CIA to have information about you in their database?!? Really?

And of those of you that want proof about the Facebook/CIA connection, look at THIS:


THAT^ information have been out for 2+ years thus far and most people in the USA do not seem to give a damn about their U.S. Constitutional rights anymore.

I don't mean to be disrespect to anyone because at the end of the day, everyone has a Freedom Of Choice to do whatever. But some people have to be naive sheeps and/or damn fools if they think losing their privacy is no big deal.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
---Benjamin Franklin 11/11/1755

It isn't a big deal.........UNTIL IT IS.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #38 posted 03/03/15 2:19pm

babynoz

RodeoSchro said:

Carrie, I've already debunked the "Facebook/CIA" BS on a P&R thread.


And so the matter is settled because you have spoken? eek

How about we let Carrie read the thread and make up her own mind. Then she can respond to Tony as she sees fit.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #39 posted 03/03/15 2:23pm

babynoz

TonyVanDam said:

TD3 said:

Facebook is no good. biggrin How many times do I have to say this?! lol

Yet...

Facebook isn't even the tip of the icebreg for data mining: Apps, Amazon, Apple, eBay, Cable / Interent providers, Google, Microsoft, Modems / Routers, and the upteem "free" Cloud companies can and do get more info about you.


'7 Reasons Why You Should Quit Using the Internet This Year'

=======================

[Edited 3/3/15 4:14am]


Richard M. Stallman goes deeper about Facebook:

Facebook and Master Card will join forces to profile M... customers so banks can push them to spend more.

By doing this, Master Card is ratting on its customers. This reinforces the point that using a credit card enables others to take advantage of you. It also interferes with your efforts to limit your spending.

Don't be tracked — pay cash.


The NSA tracks Americans' social networks, and Facebook is just one of its sources.

Thus, if you talk about your friends in Facebook, you're ratting on them. If you say that you saw John and Arthur, you tell the NSA that John knows Arthur. If John and Arthur are dissidents, or journalists, your information will help the government suppress dissent or journalism.

Facebook's mobile app snoops on SMS messages.


Facebook invites useds to nag other useds to fill in their profiles with all sorts of personal information.


When useds log in to a site through Facebook, Facebook gives the site access to...nformation about the user.

If this is what a site demands from you, you should not touch it anyway!


Facebook carefully studies all the text that its useds type in and then don't submit.


Facebook, as an "experiment", collected the text its useds started to enter as status updates and ultimately did not send.

Facebook also announced it planned to track mouse movement eve...of a click.

These work by means of malicious Javascript code.


Pages that contain Facebook "like" buttons enable Facebook to track visitors to those pages. Facebook tracks Internet users that see "like" buttons, even users who never visited facebook.com and never click on those buttons.

The ACLU has a way of enabling users to click a Facebook "like" button, which avoids this problem. Its pages have a link called "like us on Facebook" that leads to a Facebook page where it is possible to push a "like" button for the ACLU. But if you don't follow that link, Facebook gets no information about your visit to the ACLU page.

This page gives details about how much Facebook tracks useds' browsing, which applies even to users that don't have Facebook accounts.


Facebook has turned on automatic face recognition on photos.

Facebook says that it only suggests identifications for faces in photos for people who are the used's friends. However, it might run the algorithm over every photo posted and not publicly announce the results.

I ask people not to post photos of me on Facebook.


Many things can be determined about a Facebook used, with pretty good accuracy, from the used's published list of "likes".

If you do as I do, and reject Facebook, you are safe from this form of snooping.

How can we get the news items that interest us, without telling a server what criterion to use? Simple: download lists of items, and have software on our own machine decide which articles to show. This software can fetch additional articles (which it doesn't actually show us) just to create a false trail.


Facebook asks its useds to provide their entire list of other people's email addresses.

This by itself is surveillance of those other people, but Facebook uses it to go further and try to guess the relationships of people who are not Facebook useds.

That information must be worth some money to companies. It is surely worth money to the secret police of any country that isn't democratic enough.

However, principal wrong here is not that Facebook can guess which non-useds know you or me. It is that Facebook collects information from its useds about whether they know you or me.

I think we can formulate the principle that any social network that asks its members for information about other people is abusive.


Facebook apps have access to that used's information — and the useds' "friends'" information, too. Thus, if you make the mistake of using Facebook, even if you don't let a company access your data, any of your "friends" can... your data.


Innocent-seeming text posted on Facebook could cause you lots of trouble, due to development of systems to deduce things about you.


Facebook has automatically pushed useds' @facebook.com email addresses (which they never asked for) into the contact lists in other people's phones.

The lesson here is that it is a fundamental mistake to trust a company such as Facebook to give anyone data about you. It will give them the data it wants them to have, not the data you want to give them.


How did Mari Sherkin end up on a dating site unwillingly? Facebook opens browser windows showing other companies' sites, which trick Facebook useds into...m Facebook.




SOURCE:

https://stallman.org/facebook.html



Thanks Tony. Stallman is an interesting guy.

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Reply #40 posted 03/03/15 2:24pm

RodeoSchro

babynoz said:

RodeoSchro said:

Carrie, I've already debunked the "Facebook/CIA" BS on a P&R thread.


And so the matter is settled because you have spoken? eek

How about we let Carrie read the thread and make up her own mind. Then she can respond to Tony as she sees fit.



Ummm, yeah - that's what "debunked" means. But it wasn't debunked just because I spoke. It was debunked because I analyzed, researched, and proved that the claims made in the P&R thread were erroneous.

Threads, as you know, are open to any and all. If Tony and Carrie want a private conversation, that's what Orgnotes are for.

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Reply #41 posted 03/03/15 2:27pm

RodeoSchro

TonyVanDam said:

Reason 9: Facebook has THE same database as the CIA! Every information that is being posted by FB user are also collected and saved by the CIA.

THAT^ reason by itself is the main reason why I closed my FB account more than 2 years ago. And thank goodness I never posted any pictures of myself or my friends & asssociates on there.



Does the government not already have your photograph? They do if you have a drivers license, passport, military ID or other form of photographic information.

Same with your associates. If the government knows their names, then the government also almost assuredly has their photographs, too.

But this begs the larger question - Why are you afraid of the government knowing what you look like?

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Reply #42 posted 03/03/15 2:28pm

babynoz

RodeoSchro said:

babynoz said:


And so the matter is settled because you have spoken? eek

How about we let Carrie read the thread and make up her own mind. Then she can respond to Tony as she sees fit.



Ummm, yeah - that's what "debunked" means. But it wasn't debunked just because I spoke. It was debunked because I analyzed, researched, and proved that the claims made in the P&R thread were erroneous.

Threads, as you know, are open to any and all. If Tony and Carrie want a private conversation, that's what Orgnotes are for.


She can read and has a pretty good head on her shoulders as well.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #43 posted 03/03/15 2:30pm

RodeoSchro

babynoz said:

RodeoSchro said:



Ummm, yeah - that's what "debunked" means. But it wasn't debunked just because I spoke. It was debunked because I analyzed, researched, and proved that the claims made in the P&R thread were erroneous.

Threads, as you know, are open to any and all. If Tony and Carrie want a private conversation, that's what Orgnotes are for.


She can read and has a pretty good head on her shoulders as well.



Agreed and if she engages on this subject, I fully expect her to come to the exact same conclusions I did. I was just trying to save her some time but she is absolutely free to do what she wants.

And anyone else is, too.

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Reply #44 posted 03/03/15 2:36pm

babynoz

kpowers said:

Reason 8

Teen killed, 2 others shot after Facebook quarrel moves to Alabama park

Alabama authorities are saying three adolescent girls were shot, one fatally, after they went to an Alabama park to settle a Facebook quarrel with fists in front of a video camera.

Birmingham police told Fox6 WBRC a group of girls had been arguing on Facebook for three weeks. During the back-and-forth the girls agreed to fight each other at a local park Friday evening to settle their differences. Police said the girls planned to record themselves fighting and post it on Facebook.

As the fight ensued, two males, 17 and 19, pulled out guns and opened fire, striking three of the girls, the station reported Saturday.

The shooting victims were taken to two area hospitals. The girl who died was identified as Kierra’onna Rice, 14.

The two suspects were taken into custody after witnesses pointed them out to police who responded to the scene.

Police told Fox 6 one of the suspects was dating one of the girls fighting the victim.

The names of the suspects were not released, pending the filing of formal charges.

Birmingham Police Chief A.C. Roper spoke to Al.com and questioned the wisdom of recording a fight to put on social media.

“It’s extremely challenging for us as a police department,” Roper said. “It’s challenging for these families because here’s a group of kids who have decided that they’re going to fight and put it on social media where everybody can see it.”



Oh damn! eek

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Reply #45 posted 03/03/15 2:44pm

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babynoz said:

RodeoSchro said:

Carrie, I've already debunked the "Facebook/CIA" BS on a P&R thread.


And so the matter is settled because you have spoken? eek

How about we let Carrie read the thread and make up her own mind. Then she can respond to Tony as she sees fit.


Thank you! nod I strongly agree. Let Carrie read my previous posts in this thread and draw her own conclusion.

And BTW Babynoz & Greycap, isn't it profound sad when a certain orger (who name I will not mention because he's a disinfo agent who admits having close contact with two-time banned ex-orger Mdiver/Treehouse, a racist troll no less!) ask for proof and still bitch about it to the point of deraidling a thread on purpose? hmmm

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Reply #46 posted 03/03/15 2:46pm

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Graycap23 said:

TonyVanDam said:


All of THAT^ is nice and all, but at the expense of the CIA to have information about you in their database?!? Really?

And of those of you that want proof about the Facebook/CIA connection, look at THIS:


THAT^ information have been out for 2+ years thus far and most people in the USA do not seem to give a damn about their U.S. Constitutional rights anymore.

I don't mean to be disrespect to anyone because at the end of the day, everyone has a Freedom Of Choice to do whatever. But some people have to be naive sheeps and/or damn fools if they think losing their privacy is no big deal.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
---Benjamin Franklin 11/11/1755

It isn't a big deal.........UNTIL IT IS.


By that time, our rights, freedoms, & liberties will no longer exist. sad

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Reply #47 posted 03/03/15 3:02pm

RodeoSchro

TonyVanDam said:

babynoz said:


And so the matter is settled because you have spoken? eek

How about we let Carrie read the thread and make up her own mind. Then she can respond to Tony as she sees fit.


Thank you! nod I strongly agree. Let Carrie read my previous posts in this thread and draw her own conclusion.

And BTW Babynoz & Greycap, isn't it profound sad when a certain orger (who name I will not mention because he's a disinfo agent who admits having close contact with two-time banned ex-orger Mdiver/Treehouse, a racist troll no less!) ask for proof and still bitch about it to the point of deraidling a thread on purpose? hmmm



LMAO. Hey Tony - if you say my name three times out loud, guess what happens?

The same thing that happens when I throw handsigns in your direction - nothing!

falloff

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Reply #48 posted 03/03/15 3:30pm

babynoz

TonyVanDam said:

babynoz said:


And so the matter is settled because you have spoken? eek

How about we let Carrie read the thread and make up her own mind. Then she can respond to Tony as she sees fit.


Thank you! nod I strongly agree. Let Carrie read my previous posts in this thread and draw her own conclusion.

And BTW Babynoz & Greycap, isn't it profound sad when a certain orger (who name I will not mention because he's a disinfo agent who admits having close contact with two-time banned ex-orger Mdiver/Treehouse, a racist troll no less!) ask for proof and still bitch about it to the point of deraidling a thread on purpose? hmmm



LOL...the thing is, Carrie had already asked a very good question all on her own, with no help at all. lol She wanted to know how these revelations impact her personally.

So, in the interest of her query and the integrity of the thread let's post another article. This one is an oldie but a goodie and acutally gives the name of the CIA agent as well as the name of the CIA firm that invests in start-ups that are of interest to the gub'ment called InQtel.

From The Guardian....

http://www.theguardian.co...4/facebook

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Reply #49 posted 03/03/15 3:36pm

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actually, for those who use social media and believe it to be completely harmless, you should watch the documentary entitled "Terms and Conditions May Apply" with director Cullen Hoback

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f you believe it is paranoid to think that faceblik is fucking with your privacy, you NEED TO SEE THIS DOCUMENTARY

although this documentary addresses more than just facefreak, it is truly something we should all be aware of as pertains to the data retention files gathered by various internet platforms regarding our personal lives and how that data can be used.

faceberk actively opposed, in closed hearings, privacy protection measures proposed via SB 242 #18* See, below.

the film reveals cases where people have had their credit limits affected by what they posted online; and other intrusions into personal privacy are revealed, like the minneapolis guy whose daughter received a coupon for childcare products from target. he was outraged she received such a thing, but because of what she was looking up online, target corporation knew the daughter was preggers before her dad did. the so-called 'Third Party Doctrine' bypasses our fourth amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure. a search warrant is not necessary for retrieving information gathered from online sources.

it's really funny to joke about this shit right up until you find yourself actually targeted for airing your opinions online. if you truly believe you are protected by your right to free speech, you should watch this.

oh, and yes, there is a link between facebook and the government's "Information Awareness Office". please check this out before you decide that being paranoid is over the top. you will be surprised. * See below, for the actual symbol used by the IAO.

California SB 242 Mandates Default Social Networking Site Privacy Settings

Posted in Online Privacy

California state senator Ellen Corbett proposed an amended version of the Social Networking Privacy Act (SB 242) on May 10, 2011. SB 242 would require social networking websites to design default privacy settings that prevent any information about a user (other than name and city) from being displayed to the public or other users without affirmative consent from the user. Social networking websites would also be required to: (1) create a process for new users to set their privacy settings before they complete the process of registering for the site; and (2) remove personal information of a user within 48 hours of the user’s request or the request of the user’s parent if the user is under 18. A willful and knowing violation of the mandates would subject a social networking website to a civil penalty of up to $10,000 for each violation.

Presently, social networking sites like Facebook have default settings for new users that share with everyone on the Internet a user’s status update, photos, posts, biographical information, and relationships that are entered into the site. Senator Corbett, in explaining the rationale of SB 242, stated: “You shouldn’t have to sign in and give up your personal information before you get to the part where you say, ‘Please don’t share my personal information.’

Not surprisingly, social networking sites are strongly opposed to SB 242. On May 16, 2011, companies that included Facebook, Google, Twitter, Skype, Match.com, eHarmony, and Yahoo signed an open letter to Senator Corbett voicing their opposition. The letter stated:

“SB 242 would significantly undermine the ability of Californians to make informed and meaningful choices about use of their personal data, and unconstitutionally interfere with the right to free speech enshrined in the California and United States Constitutions, while doing significant damage to California’s vibrant Internet commerce industry at a time when the state can least afford it.”

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actual symbol used by IAO, which was established by our government, allegedly by DARPA. the goal of the IAO is to link banking activites to flight searches and etc. basically, profiling citizens without their knowledge or consent.

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Reply #50 posted 03/03/15 3:38pm

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i repeat, this is not a drill. check out what is happening with the Information Awareness Office.

then, check its ties to facebook

Total Information Awareness (TIA) was a program of the US Information Awareness Office. It was operated from February until May 2003, before being renamed as the Terrorism Information Awareness Program.[4][5]

Based on the concept of predictive policing, TIA aimed to gather detailed information about individuals in order to anticipate and prevent crimes before they are committed.[6] As part of efforts to win the War on Terror, the program searched for all sorts of personal information in the hunt for terrorists around the globe.[7] According to Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), TIA was the "biggest surveillance program in the history of the United States".[8]

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Even the FTC Can't Stop Facebook's Mad Rush Toward Total Information Awareness

Upcoming IPO Will Give the Social Network Plenty of Cash to Keep Building Scary Web Surveillance System

By Simon Dumenco. Published on December 05, 2011. 8

from: http://adage.com/article/...ss/231337/


Hey, Mark Zuckerberg! You look like a billion bucks, buddy! Actually, make that 24 billion bucks.

Meanwhile, you, dear reader, look like ... $125, give or take a few greenbacks.

Those numbers are based on The Wall Street Journal's report last week that Facebook is finally getting serious about floating an IPO in the second quarter of 2012 that would value the company at $100 billion. Facebook CEO Zuckerberg holds a 24% stake in his company; Facebook says it has more than 800 million active users. If the $100 billion valuation holds but Facebook hits the billion-user mark -- which seems entirely possible by next spring -- the price per user will drop to roughly $100.

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In other words, Mark Zuckerberg's stock is rising, but yours sure isn't.

Annoyingly, this IPO talk is happening just as Facebook seems ever more focused on, well, using its users in increasingly creepy ways. Zuckerberg has always talked a great, quasi-Utopian game about the psychosocial impact of his company -- everything you do in life is better when it's shared, is his basic shtick -- but the truth is that for years now Facebook has been borderline abusive toward its users.

The social network cons us into thinking that we're all unique, precious snowflakes, but Facebook sees its users as an aggregate, monetizable database, pure and simple. Which would be fine -- to have our collective eyeballs sold to the highest bidders is part of the deal we make when we sign up for Facebook and pay $0 to use it -- except that , as the Federal Trade Commission said last week in announcing a settlement with the company over privacy issues, Facebook "deceived consumers by telling them they could keep their information on Facebook private, and then repeatedly allowing it to be shared and made public."

In its detailed complaint against the company, the FTC really drilled down, pointing out that Facebook has repeatedly said that it "does not provide advertisers with information about its users. In truth and in fact ... Facebook has provided advertisers with information about its users" -- frighteningly specific information, including data that could be used to determine an advertising target 's real name. Facebook advertisers, the FTC said, could then "combine the user's real name with any targeted traits used for the ad the user clicked (e.g., if the ad targeted 23-year-old men who were 'Interested In' men and 'liked' a prescription drug, the advertiser could ascribe these traits to a specific user)."

Per the terms of its settlement with the FTC, Facebook doesn't have to pay a fine, but basically has to promise to behave.

The nonpunitive settlement is all the more galling when you consider that it addresses ancient (in Internet Time ) violations dating back to 2008 -- but Facebook has already moved far beyond all that . In a way, Facebook is so over itself. It's already figured out pretty much all the ways it can and can't get away with selling out its users within its own ecosystem, so now, with initiatives like its recently launched Seamless Sharing system, it's finding new ways to pimp its users across the web.

The idea behind Seamless Sharing is that if you opt in to Facebook-connected services like Spotify and apps from the Washington Post, The Guardian and other media companies, whatever you're listening to or reading automatically gets shared with your friends. (A cry for help from a Facebook user recently landed on Reddit's homepage: "Fucking Spotify is telling everyone on Facebook that I'm listening to Pat Benatar. How do I undo this?") Zuckerberg calls this process "frictionless," but in practice it's a radical transformation: Sharing on Facebook used to be human-driven; you shared by choice. Now Zuckerberg & Co. want to push mindless, automatic, machine-driven sharing on us, even if we all hate it.

Why? Because it's in Facebook's interest to keep constant tabs on us, wherever we may wander in the virtual world.

In the wake of the FTC settlement, Facebook will surely strive to be somewhat responsive in regard to letting people have some degree of control over their profiles and streams. But what does or doesn't appear in your stream or your friends' streams is sort of beside the point; behind the scenes, Facebook is now in the Total Information Awareness business.

TIA, as you may recall, was a post-9/11 project of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency; the idea was to allow the military to create a massive, all-seeing, all-knowing digital dossier about every U.S. resident as a means to sniff out terrorist threats. DARPA's Information Awareness Office wanted to be able to collect any information it wanted without a warrant (i.e., it sought frictionless, seamless sharing!), but outcry over the blatant Big Brotheriness of it put the kibosh on TIA, at least as it was originally conceived.

Fast-forward to 2011. As it seeks to become a publicly traded company, Facebook is now intent on vacuuming up all the minutiae about our content consumption and interactions across the web. Not because your "friends" care about every last thing you do in cyberspace, but because Facebook is convinced that in aggregate, over time, that information is meaningful -- to advertisers.

Given the FTC's laughably toothless settlement, it's clear that nothing can stop Facebook now in its quest for Total Information Awareness.

And its IPO will give it a $10 billion infusion of capital -- which ain't chump change. In fact, it's impressive even by Department of Defense standards. Poor DARPA's budget is just $3 billion a year.


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Reply #51 posted 03/03/15 3:52pm

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^^Damn! Thanks for the info.

I remember way back when fuckbook and twitface first appeared I asked myself, what's the catch?

Ain't nothing in this world free honey...you are paying a price even if you don't know what it is.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #52 posted 03/03/15 3:53pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

It isn't a big deal.........UNTIL IT IS.


By that time, our rights, freedoms, & liberties will no longer exist. sad

....but that is MY POINT.

Folks better wake up.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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TonyVanDam said:

babynoz said:


And so the matter is settled because you have spoken? eek

How about we let Carrie read the thread and make up her own mind. Then she can respond to Tony as she sees fit.


Thank you! nod I strongly agree. Let Carrie read my previous posts in this thread and draw her own conclusion.

And BTW Babynoz & Greycap, isn't it profound sad when a certain orger (who name I will not mention because he's a disinfo agent who admits having close contact with two-time banned ex-orger Mdiver/Treehouse, a racist troll no less!) ask for proof and still bitch about it to the point of deraidling a thread on purpose? hmmm

My ignore button is working fairly well these days.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #54 posted 03/03/15 3:57pm

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Reply #55 posted 03/03/15 4:07pm

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cia hot chicks sex tapes..
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so what does this mean for *you*? after all, you are just an ordinary person, not a terrorist, right??? you've already got your information on file with the IRS, DMV, etc. how could anything you post on social media affect your real life or harm you in any way??? not possible, right??





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check this. leigh and emily were detained for hours, handcuffed, pushed around, refused entry to the US and are now on a list of folk who are not welcome in america. this will forever affect their abililty to visit other nations around the world. and allll because of a slangy tweet which was misunderstood by US homeland security agents searching twitter posts:

Twitter joke to 'destroy America' reportedly gets U.K. tourists barred from US

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Two British travelers were barred from entering the U.S. after posts on Twitter indicated they had plans to 'destroy America' and 'dig up Marilyn Monroe,' The Sun reports.

Leigh Van Bryan, 26, and Emily Bunting 24, were detained upon arrival to Los Angeles after Homeland Security discovered the tweets.

The two were then reportedly questioned for five hours before being put on a van with illegal immigrants and then held overnight.

Despite Bryan telling officials the term 'destroy' was British slang for 'party,' and the reference to dig up Marilyn Monroe was a joke from the show Family Guy, the two were reportedly held on suspicion of planning to 'commit crimes."

They spent 12 hours in separate holding cells before being put on a flight home, the Sun reports.

“We just wanted to have a good time on holiday. That was all Leigh meant in his tweets,” Bunting told the Sun.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection released a statement about the "terrorist tweet," confirming that two people had been taken into "secondary interviews" and said that during those interviews, information was uncovered that "revealed both individuals were inadmissible to the United States."

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Pair Detained in Twitter Homeland Threat Mix-Up

PHOTO: Emily Banting, left, and Leigh-Van Bryan were refused entry to the USA after Leigh tweeted that he was going to &quot;destroy&quot; America.

A young couple from across the pond was detained at a Los Angeles airport after Homeland Security agents mistook a couple Twitter quips for threats against the U.S., the two told British media today.

Friends Irishman Leigh Van Bryan, 26, and British citizen Emily Bunting, 24, were reportedly interrogated and spent 12 hours locked up under armed guard after going through customs in Los Angeles International Airport last week. According to several British outlets, the couple was taken into custody by U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents because of the slang in Bryan's tweets.

"Free this week, for quick gossip/prep before I go and destroy America," one of the tweets read. Bryan told The Sun that in this context "destroy" just meant party.

"The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of terrorist. I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet but they just told me 'You've really f***ed up with that tweet, boy'," Bryan told The Sun.

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Bryan had also tweeted that he planned to be "diggin' Marilyn Monroe up!" -- another joke, he said.

"The officials told us we were not allowed in to the country because of Leigh's tweet," Buntingtold The Daily Mail. "They wanted to know what we were going to do... They asked why we wanted to destroy America and we tried to explain it meant to get trashed and party... I almost burst out laughing when they asked me if I was going to be Leigh's lookout while he dug up Marilyn Monroe."

After spending the night in custody, Bryan and Bunting were reportedly put on a plane back home through Paris.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection released a statement in which the department confirmed that two people had been taken for "secondary interviews" and said that during those interviews, information was uncovered that "revealed both individuals were inadmissible to the United States."

"CBP strives to treat all travelers with respect and in a professional manner, while maintaining the focus of our mission to protect all citizens and visitors in the United States," the department told ABC News. "We recognize that there is an important balance to strike between securing our borders while facilitating the high volume of legitimate trade and travel that crosses our borders every day, and we strive to achieve that balance and show the world that the United States is a welcoming nation."

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still not convinced? how about the story of this kid, detained and interrogated by secret service over his foolbook post:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388087/Vito-LaPinta-13-interrogated-SECRET-SERVICE-Osama-Bin-Laden-Facebook-post.html

War on… teenagers: Boy, 13, interrogated by the SECRET SERVICE for posting message about Bin Laden on Facebook

A 13-year-old boy was interrogated at his school by Secret Service agents without his mother's permission after posting a message about Osama Bin Laden on Facebook.

Following the Al Qaeda leader's death, Tacoma schoolboy Vito LaPinta wrote on his Facebook page that President Barack Obama should be be wary of repercussions.

'I was saying how Osama was dead and for Obama to be careful because there could be suicide bombers,' he said.

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'Very scared': Vito LaPinta, 13, said he was interrogated by Secret Service agents over his Facebook status

'Very scared': Vito LaPinta, 13, said he was interrogated by Secret Service agents over his Facebook status

Federal investigation: The 13-year-old was pulled out of class and questioned at Truman Middle School

Federal investigation: The 13-year-old was pulled out of class and questioned at Truman Middle School

A week later he was sitting in class at Truman Middle School, Washington, when he was called into the principal's office.

Vito said: 'A man walked in with a suit and glasses and he said he was part of the Secret Service.

'He told me it was because of a post I made that indicated I was a threat toward the President. I was very scared.'

The Tacoma school district admitted a Secret Service agent questioned the boy and a security guard called the child's mother because the principal was on another call.


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Secret Service interrogates 13-year-old over Facebook post

May 18, 2011 at 11:14 AM ET

http://www.today.com/money/secret-service-interrogates-13-year-old-over-facebook-post-123227


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A screengrab of Vito Lapinta Jr.'s Facebook page

When Timi Robertson found out her middle-schooler son was being questioned by the Secret Service and the police at his Tacoma, Wa. school, she says she "just about lost it," — especially after they told her it was over a Facebook post the boy had written warning President Barack Obama of suicide attacks in the wake of Osama bin Laden's death.

"My 13-year-old son, who's a minor, who's supposed to be safe and secure in his classroom at school, is being interrogated without my knowledge or consent by the Secret Service,"Robertson told Q13 Fox News reporter Dana Rebik. She only got wind of the interrogation because a school security guard tipped her off and arrived a half-hour after the agent had already begun questioning her son. Tacoma police were also present.

The school said they began without her because she didn't take their call seriously, which Robertson called a "blatant lie."

By the end of the interview, which occurred May 13, the agent told the boy he was free to go and wasn't in trouble.

Her son, seventh-grader Vito Lapinta Jr., told the reporter he was "very scared" and that he's more careful about what he writes on the site. But his mother stands by her son and thinks the issue is how Truman Middle School and the Secret Service "handled it, because he's still a child," which you can hear her say in this video:

Vito had posted a status update on Facebook a week earlier that highlighted his concern for the president of retaliation for the orchestrated killing of bin Laden. Then a week later, he gets called into the principal's office, where a man who identified himself as a Secret Service agent told him that the post was considered a threat to Obama.

Goes to show, if you think someone's reading your tweets and Facebook posts, you're probably right.



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https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/overview

The Constitution of the United States of America

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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and finally smile



http://gawker.com/5538216/facebook-ceo-slammed-dumb-users-who-trusted-him-in-college

Facebook CEO Slammed 'Dum...in College

Facebook CEO Slammed 'Dumb' Users Who Trusted Him in College

An instant message transcript slipped to Business Insider shows 19-year-old Mark Zuckerberg suggesting that users of the social network—fellow Harvard students at the time—were "dumb fucks" for trusting him.

Business Insider previously posted evidencethat the Facebook CEO used login data from his social network to hack into fellow students' email accounts; that evidence also included instant message transcripts. Its current story follows below.

Mark Zuckerberg Will Pers...ok Account

You have another reason to be worried about your privacy on Facebook. A new investigation reveals…Read more

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and his company are suddenly facing a big...r privacy.

An early instant messenger exchange Mark had with a college friend won't help put these concerns to rest.

According to SAI sources, the following exchange is between a 19-year-old Mark Zuckerberg and a friend shortly after Mark launched The Facebook in his dorm room:

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

Brutal.

Is this IM exchange taken out of context? You bet. Could Mark have been completely joking? Sure. But the exchange does suggest that Facebook's aggressive att...rd privacy began early on.

Facebook CEO Slammed 'Dumb' Users Who Trusted Him in College

Since Facebook launched, the company has faced one privacy flap after another, usually following changes to the privacy policy or new product releases. To its credit, the company has often modified its products based on such feedback. As the pioneer in a huge new market, Facebook will take heat for everything it does. It has also now grown into a $22 billion company run by adults who know that their future depends on F...acy policy.

But the company's attitude toward privacy, as reflected in Mark's early emails and IMs, features like Beacon and Instant Personalization, and the frequent changes to the privacy policy, has been consistently aggressive: Do something first, then see how people react.

And this does appear to reflect Mark's own views of privacy, which seem to be that people shouldn't care about it as much as they do — an attitude that very much reflects that of his generation.

After all, here's what early Facebook engineering boss, Harvard alum, and Zuckerberg confidant Charlie Cheever said in David Kirkpatrick's brilliantly-reported upcoming book The Facebook Effect.

"I feel Mark doesn't believe in privacy that much, or at least believes in privacy as a stepping stone. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong."

Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg puts it this way:

"Mark really does believe very much in transparency and the vision of an open society and open world, and so he wants to push people that way. I think he also understands that the way to get there is to give people granular control and comfort. He hopes you'll get more open, and he's kind of happy to help you get there. So for him, it's more of a means to an end. For me, I'm no as sure."

[Republished from Business Insider. Photo of Zuckerberg in his Harvard dorm via his Facebook page.]

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

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