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Reply #90 posted 03/15/14 10:58pm

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This entire fiasco is insane. nuts First it disappeared. Then it crashed in the ocean. Then someone reported they saw it crash. Then certain 'unknowns' turned off all tracking systems and they say it was hijacked...now it's the pilots who are suspected. I swear I don't think anyone knows what the hell is going on. confused disbelief

They're saying anything hoping it will stick on the wall. So far, that's failed.

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Reply #91 posted 03/16/14 4:18pm

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the plane being landed someplace is becoming more and more of a rational idea. Some mainstream reports are even suggesting it.

I said it early this week. But even if it was it is just as likely that they killed all the passengers. If they want a jumbo jet then they would not necessarily want the people.

In other words the question Where is the plane may not have the same answer as what was the fate of the people.


The people are more valuable alive then the plane is worth for it's alleged pirates.

not if their plan in to fill it with explosives and crash it in some highly populated area.

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Reply #92 posted 03/16/14 4:49pm

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There are 634 runways in range for missing Malaysia Airlines plane

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Reply #93 posted 03/16/14 6:07pm

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There are 634 runways in range for missing Malaysia Airlines plane

a 777's range is larger than that and I bet there are many more places it could land. Such as Johnston Atoll.

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Reply #94 posted 03/16/14 6:27pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

SUPRMAN said:

There are 634 runways in range for missing Malaysia Airlines plane

a 777's range is larger than that and I bet there are many more places it could land. Such as Johnston Atoll.

We don't know that it was fully loaded.

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Reply #95 posted 03/16/14 8:11pm

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Screenshot from CNN:



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[Edited 3/16/14 20:11pm]

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Reply #96 posted 03/16/14 11:07pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



SUPRMAN said:





There are 634 runways in range for missing Malaysia Airlines plane






a 777's range is larger than that and I bet there are many more places it could land. Such as Johnston Atoll.




They'll know how much fuel was put in from KLIA logs and calculate the range from that so the 777 maximum range is not a factor.
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Reply #97 posted 03/17/14 4:31am

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lust said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

a 777's range is larger than that and I bet there are many more places it could land. Such as Johnston Atoll.

They'll know how much fuel was put in from KLIA logs and calculate the range from that so the 777 maximum range is not a factor.

or maybe they do not want anyone to really know just how large the possible area is?

But the range is a max of about 8,000 miles. So yeah getting as far as Hawaii is a stretch. But my point was: there are places that such a plane could land and take off from unnoticed. Places that it could be used to hide the plane and maybe the passangers. Now Johnston Atoll is often visted by boat and by small plane so it is not a great choice.

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Reply #98 posted 03/18/14 3:47pm

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Didn't something similar to this happen on 9/11?

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Reply #99 posted 03/19/14 4:39am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



lust said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:



a 777's range is larger than that and I bet there are many more places it could land. Such as Johnston Atoll.



They'll know how much fuel was put in from KLIA logs and calculate the range from that so the 777 maximum range is not a factor.



or maybe they do not want anyone to really know just how large the possible area is?

But the range is a max of about 8,000 miles. So yeah getting as far as Hawaii is a stretch. But my point was: there are places that such a plane could land and take off from unnoticed. Places that it could be used to hide the plane and maybe the passangers. Now Johnston Atoll is often visted by boat and by small plane so it is not a great choice.


So tell me...where CAN one land huge ass 777 unnoticed by uninvolved 3rd parties....besides the Indian ocean?
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Reply #100 posted 03/19/14 9:25am

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i've probably missed something, but why isn't anyone tracking the cellphones signals of the passengers?

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Reply #101 posted 03/19/14 10:18am

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i've probably missed something, but why isn't anyone tracking the cellphones signals of the passengers?




I'm assuming that if the plane, wether intact or as wreckage, were in an area with cellphone towers the area would also be populated negating the need to be tracking the cellphones. We'd have found it. But I'm no tech head so I'm not sure if that follows?
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Reply #102 posted 03/19/14 10:42am

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So tell me...where CAN one land huge ass 777 unnoticed by uninvolved 3rd parties....besides the Indian ocean?

there are many places that one could land unnoticed. It is possible that it was landed and hidden under the cover of darkness and could be used for some other thing at some later date.

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Reply #103 posted 03/19/14 10:43am

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lust said:

XxAxX said:

i've probably missed something, but why isn't anyone tracking the cellphones signals of the passengers?

I'm assuming that if the plane, wether intact or as wreckage, were in an area with cellphone towers the area would also be populated negating the need to be tracking the cellphones. We'd have found it. But I'm no tech head so I'm not sure if that follows?

or they had some device that was used to jam such singals.

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Reply #104 posted 03/19/14 11:08am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



BobGeorge909 said:



So tell me...where CAN one land huge ass 777 unnoticed by uninvolved 3rd parties....besides the Indian ocean?


there are many places that one could land unnoticed. It is possible that it was landed and hidden under the cover of darkness and could be used for some other thing at some later date.


Where?
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Reply #105 posted 03/19/14 11:36am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



lust said:


XxAxX said:

i've probably missed something, but why isn't anyone tracking the cellphones signals of the passengers?



I'm assuming that if the plane, wether intact or as wreckage, were in an area with cellphone towers the area would also be populated negating the need to be tracking the cellphones. We'd have found it. But I'm no tech head so I'm not sure if that follows?


or they had some device that was used to jam such singals.



That just raises more questions than it answers. An area with no population or cellphone coverage is consistent with a location of a plane that can't be found.

Just applying Occam's razor.

If you're right then one of these two probably apply which seem to me less likely than my guess.

A) cell coverage is available in
i the ocean
ii the jungle or remote mountain range
iii at a remote unused desert or jungle runway

B) The plane is in a populated area with cell coverage but no one has reported anything
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Reply #106 posted 03/19/14 8:49pm

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Not the first potential wreckage sighting but this is breaking so time will tell.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26659951

Australia sees possible plane debris

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Two objects have been seen that could possibly relate to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, Australian PM Tony Abbott has announced.

Australian vessels have been searching in the southern Indian Ocean for the aircraft, which disappeared on 8 March with 239 people on board.

Mr Abbott said the objects had been identified on satellite imagery.

An Orion aircraft had been sent to the area to try to locate the objects, Mr Abbott told parliament.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it lost contact with air traffic controllers.

Twenty-six nations have been involved in a major search for the missing aircraft.

"The Australian Maritime Safety Authority has received information based on satellite information of objects possibly related to the search," Mr Abbott said.

"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified."

Mt Abbott warned, however, that finding the objects would be very difficult and said they could turn out to be unrelated to the aircraft.

A number of sightings of possible debris have been investigated in the search for the plane but so far none have proved to be related.

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Reply #107 posted 03/19/14 11:18pm

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i wonder if our government has the capability to track from satellite, rather than cellphone tower? or maybe a drone scanner? i feel sorry for the families of the missing passengers and crew. what agony for them.

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Reply #108 posted 03/19/14 11:26pm

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i wonder if our government has the capability to track from satellite, rather than cellphone tower? or maybe a drone scanner? i feel sorry for the families of the missing passengers and crew. what agony for them.




With satellites and drones, you still need to, respectively, know where to point them and put them and the search area is many hundreds of thousands of square miles. Our technology is not quite up there with what we see in the movies at least in as far as it's coverage and mobility if not in it's execution.
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Reply #109 posted 03/20/14 5:49am

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Our technology is not quite up there with what we see in the movies

darn hollywood! giving rise to false hopes and expectations

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Reply #110 posted 03/20/14 4:40pm

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Our technology is not quite up there with what we see in the movies

darn hollywood! giving rise to false hopes and expectations

You can see why it's so hard looking at this sat image of a small area that has led to the current search location. That's about as usefull as a chocolate tea cosy.

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Reply #111 posted 03/21/14 11:42am

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i just have a feeling that it didn't crash. probably only wishful thinking on my part.

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Reply #112 posted 03/21/14 1:34pm

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I don't watch the reports anymore. Too much hype by the media, speculation and rumours, etc.

I will watch the reports when something is finally found.


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Reply #113 posted 03/21/14 3:04pm

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luv4u said:

I don't watch the reports anymore. Too much hype by the media, speculation and rumours, etc.

I will watch the reports when something is finally found.




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Reply #114 posted 03/21/14 3:07pm

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XxAxX said:


Our technology is not quite up there with what we see in the movies




darn hollywood! giving rise to false hopes and expectations


My ex(with whom I still speak with on occasion) swears, wholeheartedly, that hijackers took posession of the plane, while other ways to procure a 777 are available which are MUCH less conspicuous. Swears that the passengers are alive on an island playing a more serious game of survivor. Has no idea where the plane could be...how it could get there...how umpteen can stay mum about its whereabouts.

Prefers this IMPOSSIBLE scenario vs. a simple, probable scenario of a series of mishaps that allowed the plane to crash in the Indian ocean.
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Reply #115 posted 03/21/14 3:13pm

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BobGeorge909 said:

XxAxX said:

darn hollywood! giving rise to false hopes and expectations

My ex(with whom I still speak with on occasion) swears, wholeheartedly, that hijackers took posession of the plane, while other ways to procure a 777 are available which are MUCH less conspicuous. Swears that the passengers are alive on an island playing a more serious game of survivor. Has no idea where the plane could be...how it could get there...how umpteen can stay mum about its whereabouts. Prefers this IMPOSSIBLE scenario vs. a simple, probable scenario of a series of mishaps that allowed the plane to crash in the Indian ocean.



i'm right there behind her. until i have solid evidence to the contrary i'll continue to pray for that hollywood, happily ever after ending pray

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Reply #116 posted 03/21/14 4:50pm

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I'll throw something else out there. What if the plane never came back to ground but instead kept climbing, to the point it left earth's atmosphere? I know that a space shuttle has insane amounts of thrust/force/speed to get off the ground and into space, but could a plane, already traveling at 40,000 feet doing 500+mph pull the nose up and just keep going? What if that plane was so fucking high that it just left the gravitational pull of the earth???!?
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Reply #117 posted 03/21/14 5:11pm

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I'll throw something else out there. What if the plane never came back to ground but instead kept climbing, to the point it left earth's atmosphere? I know that a space shuttle has insane amounts of thrust/force/speed to get off the ground and into space, but could a plane, already traveling at 40,000 feet doing 500+mph pull the nose up and just keep going? What if that plane was so fucking high that it just left the gravitational pull of the earth???!?

No. Gravitational force is too strong for that.

Airplanes are able to fly because air moving under their wings is strong enough to hold them up. If you could slice across an airplane wing, you would see it is curved over the top and flat on the bottom. As the plane's engines push the wing forward, air moves over and under the wing. Because the top of the wing is curved and the bottom is flat, the air going above has a little farther to travel than the air going below. The air molecules on top are thus a little farther apart, making the air there a little thinner, and the pressure on the top of the wing a little less than the pressure on the bottom. So what happens? The wing is pushed up by the air underneath it. Large passenger planes can't fly much higher than about 12 kilometers (7.5 miles). The air is too thin above that altitude to hold the plane up.

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Reply #118 posted 03/21/14 5:47pm

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I'll throw something else out there. What if the plane never came back to ground but instead kept climbing, to the point it left earth's atmosphere? I know that a space shuttle has insane amounts of thrust/force/speed to get off the ground and into space, but could a plane, already traveling at 40,000 feet doing 500+mph pull the nose up and just keep going? What if that plane was so fucking high that it just left the gravitational pull of the earth???!?



That's totally credible. In fact, the highly reliable British newspaper, the Sunday sport has a photo of a 777 on the moon!
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Reply #119 posted 03/21/14 5:48pm

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BobGeorge909 said:

XxAxX said:


Our technology is not quite up there with what we see in the movies




darn hollywood! giving rise to false hopes and expectations


My ex(with whom I still speak with on occasion) swears, wholeheartedly, that hijackers took posession of the plane, while other ways to procure a 777 are available which are MUCH less conspicuous. Swears that the passengers are alive on an island playing a more serious game of survivor. Has no idea where the plane could be...how it could get there...how umpteen can stay mum about its whereabouts.

Prefers this IMPOSSIBLE scenario vs. a simple, probable scenario of a series of mishaps that allowed the plane to crash in the Indian ocean.



Please allow me to congratulate you on your current relationship status in regards to the afforementioned!
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