Well I will have to admit - no one can say, "I cannot refute a single fact you posted, nor can I disagree that you completely tore apart the wee little cloudie's chemtrail assertion, but rather than acknowledge that, I am going to stick my head in the sand" nicer than you!
also, mr "christian" please stop with the personal insults. it reflects quite poorly upon your alleged religious affiliation when you continue to call out ORGers using derogatory nicknames. Cloudbuster is twice the ORGer you will never be, and has my vote entirely.
How come you never asked our little friend to quit calling me arrogant, or quit mocking my religious beliefs? Hmmm, sounds like a one-way street to me. But I don't mind. I fight my own fights, and if the little one needs you to fight his for him, that's his business.
Although, I do have to agree - I will never be the Orger that cloudy is. And for that, I am eternally thankful!
Those are clearly contrails from two jets flying together. The jets are almost certainly military, as commercial airliners cannot fly side-by-side in that manner.
Again, use your brain. They are flying through near-cloudless skies. Their trails cannot cover even 1% of the visibile sky around them. There are no rain clouds for the trails to mix in with in order to deliver their agent via rain, so we know for a fact that if there is an agent in those trails, it must filter to the Earth on its own. This also means that those trails aren't being used to "block the sun".
As I've clearly and undeniably pointed out, if those are military jets (and they certainly are, as explained above), they are flying at an altitude of at least 40,000 feet. Therefore, if there is an agent in the trails, it must fall 7 miles to the Earth, all the time being dispersed by winds aloft that range from 20 knots to as much as 100 knots.
This argument has been over for a long time, and there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that every point I've made has been the correct one.
I am only responding to the wee little cloudy's video because you did, and I like you. I pray that you are smart enough to use logic, reason and research, and can understand what I've posted.
it is obvious to me and anyone else who has been paying attention that you are not here to discuss the topic.
rather, you are here to force your opinion on other people and try to somehow 'shame' them into dropping discussion of the subject altogether.
i'm not interested in interacting with you regarding thhis thread. please go away now.
To discuss this topic further is akin to discussing the edge of the earth that some on Columbus' crew were scared of. Its been clearly demonstrated that the world is spherical. As well, the nature of "chemtrails" has been clearly demonstrated. IMO...
It seems hes trying give you the information and insight to free you of the burdon of wasted time by discussing this. It may allow you to focus these energies on something more fruitful. Some of this information seems to be disregarded in lieu of a practice in ...hell...i dont even know...something.
also, mr "christian" please stop with the personal insults. it reflects quite poorly upon your alleged religious affiliation when you continue to call out ORGers using derogatory nicknames. Cloudbuster is twice the ORGer you will never be, and has my vote entirely.
How come you never asked our little friend to quit calling me arrogant, or quit mocking my religious beliefs? Hmmm, sounds like a one-way street to me. But I don't mind. I fight my own fights, and if the little one needs you to fight his for him, that's his business.
Although, I do have to agree - I will never be the Orger that cloudy is. And for that, I am eternally thankful!
I love you and forgive you!
general response
1. i feel that at times you are arrogant. you will not allow that your religious affiliation is not the only correct way to view the universe. see, #2, below.
2. Cloudbuster didn't mock your religion, he merely pointed out in no uncertain terms that the consideration of the possibility of chemtrails being real initially requires the same sort of suspension of disbelief as does belief in god, from an atheist's point of view. and i believe he is an atheist, so his comment is not mockery, but plain fact.
3. i vote for Cloudy because he is openminded, and brings fun topics and points of view to attention. lately i think he has been avoiding this place because every single time a topic like this one comes up, the usual folk show up and piss on the thread.
4. no one voted me queen, so feel free not to take me that seriously.
it is obvious to me and anyone else who has been paying attention that you are not here to discuss the topic.
rather, you are here to force your opinion on other people and try to somehow 'shame' them into dropping discussion of the subject altogether.
i'm not interested in interacting with you regarding thhis thread. please go away now.
To discuss this topic further is akin to discussing the edge of the earth that some on Columbus' crew were scared of. Its been clearly demonstrated that the world is spherical. As well, the nature of "chemtrails" has been clearly demonstrated. IMO... It seems hes trying give you the information and insight to free you of the burdon of wasted time by discussing this. It may allow you to focus these energies on something more fruitful. Some of this information seems to be disregarded in lieu of a practice in ...hell...i dont even know...something.
aaaand we have another genuinely unintentionally funny moment of irony...
because what, pray tell, are YOU spending time here for? seems to me, your burdon of wasted time (sic) is double mine due to the fact that you don't even like, support, or truly research the topic
it is obvious to me and anyone else who has been paying attention that you are not here to discuss the topic.
rather, you are here to force your opinion on other people and try to somehow 'shame' them into dropping discussion of the subject altogether.
i'm not interested in interacting with you regarding thhis thread. please go away now.
To discuss this topic further is akin to discussing the edge of the earth that some on Columbus' crew were scared of. Its been clearly demonstrated that the world is spherical. As well, the nature of "chemtrails" has been clearly demonstrated. IMO... It seems hes trying give you the information and insight to free you of the burdon of wasted time by discussing this. It may allow you to focus these energies on something more fruitful. Some of this information seems to be disregarded in lieu of a practice in ...hell...i dont even know...something.
aaaand we have another genuinely unintentionally funny moment of irony...
because what, pray tell, are YOU spending time here for? seems to me, your burdon of wasted time (sic) is double mine due to the fact that you don't even like, support, or truly research the topic
see, general response above.
This needs about as much research as finding out the world is flat does. It heps me to make attempts to stop people from researching if the world is flat so those citizens may invest that time in something more advantageous to them, their families, this(our your) country, and society.
Like creationism...stop trying to teach that shit in schools cuz its a waste of societies time and efforts. it de-educates.
This needs about as much research as finding out the world is flat does. It heps me to make attempts to stop people from researching if the world is flat so those citizens may invest that time in something more advantageous to them, their families, this(our your) country, and society. Like creationism...stop trying to teach that shit in schools cuz its a waste of societies time and efforts. it de-educates.
Geo Engineering is very real, so are the devastating consequences it has on our ecosystem. Creating awareness is very important, so is doing your own research since the mainstream media outlets seem to ignore this is happening.
^ it would be hard for even the mot die-hard do-it-my-way-or-the-highway-types around here to deny that we do have concrete examples of chemtrails being used in the world around us.
that link speaks for itself. will anyone listen??
Are your alien friends involved in this chemtrail phenomenon?
secret illuminatus #1: oh snap, we're exposed! but how on earth could we expect that there exists a peson on earth that owns a VIDEO CAMERA !! shit. what now?
secret illuminatus #2: do not worry. we're gonna track this person down and destroy his camera. then we are safe again and can act in total secrecy all across the crystal clear sky all over the WORLD!
Vanglorious... this is protected by the red, the black, and the green. With a key... sissy!
Sherlock Holmes: How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the obvious and the scientifically profound explanations, then whatever remains, however absurd and nutty, must be the "truth"
Vanglorious... this is protected by the red, the black, and the green. With a key... sissy!
This needs about as much research as finding out the world is flat does. It heps me to make attempts to stop people from researching if the world is flat so those citizens may invest that time in something more advantageous to them, their families, this(our your) country, and society. Like creationism...stop trying to teach that shit in schools cuz its a waste of societies time and efforts. it de-educates.
Geo Engineering is very real, so are the devastating consequences it has on our ecosystem. Creating awareness is very important, so is doing your own research since the mainstream media outlets seem to ignore this is happening.
That is not the same as chemtrails i believe. I am aware people, organizations, govts, attempt to affect weather to extents, successfull. The thoughts behind Chemtrails are not that. They involve mind controlband gene alteration. I'll even concede the govt dropped a bio bomb in San Francisco bay with the flu, causingb a flu outbreak and killing several people ...that is not 'chemtrail' either however.
Tying in a credible issue to a throughly debunked issue is a big sign.
People saw elvis in the morgue, in the casket, smelled the mess he made....but this loon seen him at burger king....so we should investigate, regardless of loon status and credible eyewitness accounts. And then use that account as a case study as credible evidence in a situation whereso meone clearly faked their death is a waste of time and a weiner sized distraction from actual issues.
Geo Engineering is very real, so are the devastating consequences it has on our ecosystem. Creating awareness is very important, so is doing your own research since the mainstream media outlets seem to ignore this is happening.
That is not the same as chemtrails i believe. I am aware people, organizations, govts, attempt to affect weather to extents, successfull. The thoughts behind Chemtrails are not that. They involve mind controlband gene alteration. I'll even concede the govt dropped a bio bomb in San Francisco bay with the flu, causingb a flu outbreak and killing several people ...that is not 'chemtrail' either however. Tying in a credible issue to a throughly debunked issue is a big sign. People saw elvis in the morgue, in the casket, smelled the mess he made....but this loon seen him at burger king....so we should investigate, regardless of loon status and credible eyewitness accounts. And then use that account as a case study as credible evidence in a situation whereso meone clearly faked their death is a waste of time and a weiner sized distraction from actual issues.
just in case you missed it the first time, it is HILARIOUS that you waste time arguing against wasting time on threads like this.
and, in my opinion, by definition of what is involved, chemtrails do include geo-engineering efforts. so please do not denigrate my efforts to obtain a better picture of what is happening to the world around me. thanks
Geo Engineering is very real, so are the devastating consequences it has on our ecosystem. Creating awareness is very important, so is doing your own research since the mainstream media outlets seem to ignore this is happening.
That is not the same as chemtrails i believe. I am aware people, organizations, govts, attempt to affect weather to extents, successfull. The thoughts behind Chemtrails are not that. They involve mind controlband gene alteration. I'll even concede the govt dropped a bio bomb in San Francisco bay with the flu, causingb a flu outbreak and killing several people ...that is not 'chemtrail' either however. Tying in a credible issue to a throughly debunked issue is a big sign. People saw elvis in the morgue, in the casket, smelled the mess he made....but this loon seen him at burger king....so we should investigate, regardless of loon status and credible eyewitness accounts. And then use that account as a case study as credible evidence in a situation whereso meone clearly faked their death is a waste of time and a weiner sized distraction from actual issues.
just in case you missed it the first time, it is HILARIOUS that you waste time arguing against wasting time on threads like this.
and, in my opinion, by definition of what is involved, chemtrails do include geo-engineering efforts. so please do not denigrate my efforts to obtain a better picture of what is happening to the world around me. thanks
Fine ...whatever...but ure smarter that this bullshit. Have fun though, whatever makes u feel good.
Chemtrail is short for chemical trail. Geo engineering uses toxic metal particulates which are sprayed in our atmoshere. These chemically produced particulates also end up in the earth's soil, thus polluting the very planet we live on. I would argue that influencing the weather pattern is 'successful' since it leads to drought in places where there would normally be rain and in other area's it causes unusual amounts of precipitation.
How come you never asked our little friend to quit calling me arrogant, or quit mocking my religious beliefs? Hmmm, sounds like a one-way street to me. But I don't mind. I fight my own fights, and if the little one needs you to fight his for him, that's his business.
Although, I do have to agree - I will never be the Orger that cloudy is. And for that, I am eternally thankful!
I love you and forgive you!
general response
1. i feel that at times you are arrogant. you will not allow that your religious affiliation is not the only correct way to view the universe. see, #2, below.
2. Cloudbuster didn't mock your religion, he merely pointed out in no uncertain terms that the consideration of the possibility of chemtrails being real initially requires the same sort of suspension of disbelief as does belief in god, from an atheist's point of view. and i believe he is an atheist, so his comment is not mockery, but plain fact.
3. i vote for Cloudy because he is openminded, and brings fun topics and points of view to attention. lately i think he has been avoiding this place because every single time a topic like this one comes up, the usual folk show up and piss on the thread.
4. no one voted me queen, so feel free not to take me that seriously.
5.
Cloudy runs away because his "theories" are universally destroyed with actual facts, and he can't handle it.
I am unendingly amused how the characterization of God being a creation from my "deluded head space" is somehow not an insult at all. LOL, I really do laugh every time I read that.
Again, I did not bring religion into this. And I still haven't, except to point out to the wee little cloudbuster that his #1 expert, Dr. Bill Deagle, believes very strongly in the same God that I do (created in the same deluded head space?).
I have addressed every argument for chemtrails with a plethora of facts that are indisputable. You think I am arrogant because I have undeniably demonstrated the fallacy of the mind-controlling, weather-controlling, physically-harmful chemtrail conspiracy time after time after time, but that's only because you want so badly to believe in this conspiracy.
I'll tell you as nicely as I can - there is no secret chemtrail conspiracy to control us, influence our weather, or affect us in any physical manner.
Regarding climate change, CO2 does not cause global warming, it causes global cooling. The fact that our planet is heating up in the northern hemisphere is due to the earth shifting on its axes and thus changing its position to the sun.
Nature has a its way of dealing with this, as it always has. This does not mean that the effects are not destructive to earth's inhabitants. Geo engineering interferes with the planets natural way of adjusting and this leads to even more destructive weather patterns.
Regarding climate change, CO2 does not cause global warming, it causes global cooling.
that's fantastic news
I mean, after millions of years, some scientific laws and processes suddenly changed? nice!
so when did that happen? last week? month? please tell me, obviously I missed the news on that, you know it's vacation time and I do not watch a lot TV these days
so what exciting changes will be next? hey, maybe tomorrow gravity will suddenly pull me UP not down! Can't wait!
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A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.
NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun.
The data was collected bySounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface.
A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.
NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun.
The data was collected bySounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface.
This is actually a huge misinterpretation of the NASA report. Principia Scientific isn't a credible source.
Yes, of course the upper atmosphere is going to deflect and re-radiate the energy of solar storms, that’s why we don’t burn to a cinder when they happen. There’s nothing new here, this is what the upper atmosphere (thermosphere) does. CO2 (and other greenhouse gases – GHG’s) in the lower atmosphere also re-radiates long wave infra red energy (LWIR) as backradiation coming up from the surface of the Earth as it dumps the shortwave solar energy absorbed returns as LWIR (heat) and makes its way to the top of the atmosphere.
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The claim by the “slayers” is the worst form of science misinterpretation I’ve seen in a long time. By itself I would have ignored it, but some of our friends in other blogs have picked up the story, and because of the NASA link, thought it was credible example as the “slayers” framed it. It isn’t, it is a twisting of the facts in a press release about solar flares and the thermosphere to make it look like the lower atmosphere works the same way. To some extent it does, but the direction of the source of LWIR energy is reversed, and CO2 and other GHG’s impede the transfer of LWIR energy to the top of the atmosphere where it is finally re-radiated into space. Without GHG’s, the lower atmosphere would be very cold. (Updated: For those who doubt this, see http://www.drroyspencer.c...se-effect/– Anthony)
The link Efan posted doesn't work. I find it really hard what to believe at this point. For my work I have a lot of contact with meteorologist and power tradings analyst and they have told me over and over again that global warming due to CO2 is a hoax. I'm no scientist nor a meteorologist so can't really refute their claims.
The link Efan posted doesn't work. I find it really hard what to believe at this point. For my work I have a lot of contact with meteorologist and power tradings analyst and they have told me over and over again that global warming due to CO2 is a hoax. I'm no scientist nor a meteorologist so can't really refute their claims.
The weird thing about the companies they work for like Deutsche Bank, Merrill Lynch, Barclays, Vattenfall, Alpiq etc is that they cannot offically state that the whole CO2 global warming is a hoax for the risk of being fired. Those companies are all trading CO2 emission permits.
The weird thing about the companies they work for like Deutsche Bank, Merrill Lynch, Barclays, Vattenfall, Alpiq etc is that they cannot offically state that the whole CO2 global warming is a hoax for the risk of being fired. Those companies are all trading CO2 emission permits.
Then the guys you deal with aren't unbiased, are they?
The weird thing about the companies they work for like Deutsche Bank, Merrill Lynch, Barclays, Vattenfall, Alpiq etc is that they cannot offically state that the whole CO2 global warming is a hoax for the risk of being fired. Those companies are all trading CO2 emission permits.
Then the guys you deal with aren't unbiased, are they?
They all told me this off-record at client events I organised. And yes, they were all afraid of losing their job if they'd go offcial with this news.
ZOMG, LONDON IS UNDER ATTACK! They're raining down dew on them! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, since you guys (MacDaddy and, I assume, my little friend cloudy) have been subject to nefarious dew-based chemical attacks, are you guys now zombies?
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