Let me say this:

I have extensive experience in private aviation. We've owned many private jets. We managed an airport for about 10 years. I know pilots of every stripe, including one former Air Force One pilot.

Not once in all my aviation experience have I run across anything that would even remotely suggest the existence of chemtrails, or any kind of mechanism on any kind of aircraft that could deliver chemtrails.

My father-in-law was a jet fighter pilot for the Air Force. My father was a navigator, and once was considered for a post reporting directly to the Deputy Secretary of Defense (they wanted him, but he didn't want to move to D.C. so he took his name off the list). We've known political leaders of all stripes for many years. Not once has any of them ever confirmed the existence of chemtrails.

I live less than 10 miles from the Johnson Space Center. I know at least 20 astronauts, and two former directors of the Johnson Space Center. I also know personally the guy that runs NASA's aviation facility (they have lots of jets). I've been a personal guest of astronauts to 2 launches. Most of the astronauts I know were military pilots. Not a one of them has ever confirmed the existence of chemtrails.

Chemtrails are a fantasy.

RodeoSchro said:

Chemtrails are a fantasy.

In your opinion. But millions disagree.

I see skies looking like this and have to wonder what's going on

in fact there have been meterological applications of chemicals to cloud formations. so, right there, the basic fact standard of 'are there chemtrails' has been met. yes, chemicals have been and are being applied to our atmosphere for strategic effect.

what is the intent of those applying chemicals to our atmosphere? varied. that's where the conspiracy theories arise.

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Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Chemtrails are a fantasy.

In your opinion. But millions disagree.

I see skies looking like this and have to wonder what's going on

Let me clear up your confusion. Those are "contrails". They are the result of either water vapor from jet engine exhausts, or sometimes they come from changes in air pressure. They come off the wing as straight lines of vapor, and then winds aloft gradually disperse them.

What is going on is that those are pictures taken underneath heavily-traveled jet routes. Those places are called places of "persistent contrails".

Did they not cover that in any of the five hours of videos that you watched?

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Chemtrails are a fantasy.

In your opinion. But millions disagree.

I see skies looking like this and have to wonder what's going on

so THIS is what I see this very morning. And I could clearly see them coming from jets. You can see them in the sky and those trails following.

For those who DON'T believe in chemtrails then what do you think THIS is?

XxAxX said:

in fact there have been meterological applications of chemicals to cloud formations. so, right there, the basic fact standard of 'are there chemtrails' has been met. yes, chemicals have been and are being applied to our atmosphere for strategic effect.

what is the intent of those applying chemicals to our atmosphere? varied. that's where the conspiracy theories arise.

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There can only be two intents: (1) to make it rain; or (2) to make it stop raining.

In neither case are those examples of "chemtrails". If they are, I guess we could say crop dusters are chemtrail examples, too.

But those are NOT what Supa is asking about, nor are they what are meant when conspiracists use the term "chemtrails".

Chemtrails as defined by what Supa is asking about do not exist, and never have.

RodeoSchro said:

Cloudbuster said:

In your opinion. But millions disagree.

I see skies looking like this and have to wonder what's going on

Let me clear up your confusion. Those are "contrails". They are the result of either water vapor from jet engine exhausts, or sometimes they come from changes in air pressure. They come off the wing as straight lines of vapor, and then winds aloft gradually disperse them.

What is going on is that those are pictures taken underneath heavily-traveled jet routes. Those places are called places of "persistent contrails".

Did they not cover that in any of the five hours of videos that you watched?

OK, I am near LAX

BUT

You never see these planes landing at the airport. They are never landing. They are always high high up in the sky. I never see any of these contrails on the many planes that are in landing patterns to and from LAX. I've also lived near Long Beach Airport and John Wayne and have never observed Contrails from those planes either.

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[Edited 5/28/13 16:56pm]

RodeoSchro said:

Let me clear up your confusion. Those are "contrails". They are the result of either water vapor from jet engine exhausts, or sometimes they come from changes in air pressure. They come off the wing as straight lines of vapor, and then winds aloft gradually disperse them.

What is going on is that those are pictures taken underneath heavily-traveled jet routes. Those places are called places of "persistent contrails".

Did they not cover that in any of the five hours of videos that you watched?

Dude, I know what contrails are. Those pics are not contrails. Contrails don't hang in the sky for hours then spread out and block sunlight like chemtrails do.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Cloudbuster said:

In your opinion. But millions disagree.

I see skies looking like this and have to wonder what's going on

so THIS is what I see this very morning. And I could clearly see them coming from jets. You can see them in the sky and those trails following.

For those who DON'T believe in chemtrails then what do you think THIS is?

You are looking at water vapors caused by water from jet engine exhaust, or possibly by changes in air pressure.

You are NOT looking at the spraying of any kind of chemical for any reason whatsoever.

You are looking at contrails, not chemtrails. There is no such thing as chemtrails.

I have made it through the first hour of video 1 and I don't know what to believe

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

RodeoSchro said:

Let me clear up your confusion. Those are "contrails". They are the result of either water vapor from jet engine exhausts, or sometimes they come from changes in air pressure. They come off the wing as straight lines of vapor, and then winds aloft gradually disperse them.

What is going on is that those are pictures taken underneath heavily-traveled jet routes. Those places are called places of "persistent contrails".

Did they not cover that in any of the five hours of videos that you watched?

OK, I am near LAX

BUT

You never see these planes landing at the airport. They are never landing. They are always high high up in the sky. I never see any of these contrails on the many planes that are in landing patterns to and from LAX. I've also lived near Long Beach Airport and John Wayne and have never observed Contrails from those planes either.

Contrails do not occur at take-off and landing speeds (130 - 160 knots on takeoff; 105 - 140 knots on landing).

Go to an airshow. You will see lots and lots of military aircraft take off and land. Unless one hits the afterburners during take-off and gets to 250 knots or so, you won't see any contrails. FYI, commercial planes do not have afterburners.

The contrails on those pictures are at least 30,000 feet in the air and were created by aircraft travelling at approximately 500 knots.

Contrails wouldn't leave formations like this.



Or this.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Let me clear up your confusion. Those are "contrails". They are the result of either water vapor from jet engine exhausts, or sometimes they come from changes in air pressure. They come off the wing as straight lines of vapor, and then winds aloft gradually disperse them.

What is going on is that those are pictures taken underneath heavily-traveled jet routes. Those places are called places of "persistent contrails".

Did they not cover that in any of the five hours of videos that you watched?

Dude, I know what contrails are. Those pics are not contrails. Contrails don't hang in the sky for hours then spread out and block sunlight like chemtrails do.

How can you tell from those pictures how long the contrails have been in the sky, and whether or not they are blocking out sunlight?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have made it through the first hour of video 1 and I don't know what to believe

I'm vindicated.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have made it through the first hour of video 1 and I don't know what to believe

I have already told you what the truth is. Feel free to ask any commercial, military or space pilot you can find whether I am right or not.

Cloudbuster said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have made it through the first hour of video 1 and I don't know what to believe

I'm vindicated.

Yes you are!

Cloudbuster said:

Contrails wouldn't leave formations like this.



Or this.

They absolutely would.

Please study up on commercial air routes, because whomever is telling you those pictures represent something sinister has absolutely no knowledge of them whatsoever.

RodeoSchro said:

Cloudbuster said:

Dude, I know what contrails are. Those pics are not contrails. Contrails don't hang in the sky for hours then spread out and block sunlight like chemtrails do.

How can you tell from those pictures how long the contrails have been in the sky, and whether or not they are blocking out sunlight?

I've seen it for myself. There's been heavy chemtrailing over my city for the last few years.

RodeoSchro said:

They absolutely would.

Please study up on commercial air routes, because whomever is telling you those pictures represent something sinister has absolutely no knowledge of them whatsoever.

They absolutely wouldn't. Watch the videos.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

They absolutely would.

Please study up on commercial air routes, because whomever is telling you those pictures represent something sinister has absolutely no knowledge of them whatsoever.

They absolutely wouldn't. Watch the videos.

Are you now saying the videos DID form an opinion for you?

Because that would be counter from your original argument.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

How can you tell from those pictures how long the contrails have been in the sky, and whether or not they are blocking out sunlight?

I've seen it for myself. There's been heavy chemtrailing over my city for the last few years.

And yet five hours of videos on the subject can't convince you whether chemtrailing is real or not?

Congratulations on fantastic trolling! You had me going for the last hour.

Nice trolling!

RodeoSchro said:

And yet five hours of videos on the subject can't convince you whether chemtrailing is real or not?

Congratulations on fantastic trolling! You had me going for the last hour.

Nice trolling!

I don't know what they're for is what I meant.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

And yet five hours of videos on the subject can't convince you whether chemtrailing is real or not?

Congratulations on fantastic trolling! You had me going for the last hour.

Nice trolling!

I don't know what they're for is what I meant.

Right.

Like I said, nice trolling. Take your compliment and move on, because I sure am. See ya!

Cloudbuster said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have made it through the first hour of video 1 and I don't know what to believe

I'm vindicated.

See how much I love you?

RodeoSchro said:

Cloudbuster said:

I don't know what they're for is what I meant.

Right.

Like I said, nice trolling. Take your compliment and move on, because I sure am. See ya!

Slow your roll dude.

If there are several theories as to the purpose of chemtrailing then why am I trolling simply because I refuse to pick one theory and run with it?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Cloudbuster said:

I'm vindicated.

See how much I love you?

Thanks for watching, Rich. I look forward to discussing the third vid with you as it's bizarre yet fascinating.

It'll have to be another day though as it's getting late here.

If there were Chemtrails that "stuff" in the air would be detected in the entire food chain. There is no evidence to support such claims.

http://www.skepdic.com/chemtrails.html

chemtrails (contrails)

According to several paranoid conspiracy theorists (PCTs), chemtrails look like contrails but they are intentionally created by unknown people to poison us with unknown chemicals for some unknown reason (Thayer).

One PCT, William Thomas, claims that chemtrails are part of a "massive, covert government operation to delay global warming by increasing the amount of sunlight that is reflected back into space" (Sheaffer). That a government which, until recently, didn't even acknowledge that global warming is a major concern would have a secret program to delay global warming is curious. Nevertheless, the PCTs believe that there has been a noticeable change in cloud formations over the past decade or two and that this is evidence that something sinister is happening. They may be right, but as one critic of the PCTs notes: if there has been a noticeable change in cloud patterns at high altitudes over the past ten to twenty years, the change may be due to global warming (Wickson).

contrails over Lake Superior

Contrails are condensation trails formed behind jet airplanes when they burn fuel in the upper troposphere where "temperatures are very low and the condensation droplets rapidly freeze into ice crystals" (Reynolds). "When burned, fuel containing hydrogen is combined with oxygen in the air to form water vapor, among other byproducts" (Wickson). "Contrails form when water vapor in the exhaust from jet-engines freezes high in the troposphere where airliners cruise" (Clarke). If the ambient air is dry, contrails will evaporate almost immediately. The ambient air must be "close to saturation with water" for a condensation trail to form (Reynolds).

According to William Thomas, "contrails are pencil-thin lines that disappear quite soon, usually within one minute: anything else is a chemtrail, which is both sinister and bad for your health" (Sheaffer). According to Tony Thayer:

Chemtrails (CTs) look like contrails initially, but are much thicker, extend across the sky and are often laid down in varying patterns of Xs, tick-tack-toe grids, cross-hatched and parallel lines. Instead of quickly dissipating, chemtrails expand and drip feathers and mare's tails. In 30 minutes or less, they open into wispy formations which join together, forming a thin white veil or a "fake cirrus-type cloud" that persists for hours. (Thayer)

Contrails have been the object of scientific study for some time and are known to "seed the growth of cirrus clouds that can grow to enormous size." Contrails "appear to increase global temperatures by trapping in reradiated heat" (Sheaffer, who cites a ten-year study by the French climatologist Olivier Boucher published in Nature 397:30, 7 January 1999). "Depending on a plane's altitude, and the temperature and humidity of the atmosphere, contrails can vary enormously in their thickness and duration, and therefore in their reflecting or insulating power. Most last minutes or hours, some last days" (Clarke). "Fluffy rows of cirrus clouds created by the increasing number of jet contrails can sometimes fill half the sky" (Kotulak). PCTs deny the scientific evidence and maintain that contrails do not turn into puffy clouds.

Patrick Minnis, a senior research scientist at NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, studied satellite images of contrail clouds of military craft during the three days airports were shut down in the U.S. after the 9/11 attacks. On a typical day, an estimated 13,000 planes crisscross the nation's skies. They create so many contrails that cross each other's paths that the satellite images are just a blur. Minnis found that the cirrus clouds formed from these contrails lasted an average of six to eight hours and that six to eight contrails can grow to form a cloud cover the size of Massachusetts (Kotulak).

The PCTs, relying on speculation and general distrust of the government, have maintained that:

1. Military aircraft are “spraying” biological or chemical agents via contrails and are flying formations which sometimes form odd shapes.

2. A new military jet fuel, JP-8 with additive +100, contains Ethylene dibromide, and contrails formed by this fuel are causing various illnesses.

3. Aircraft are spreading a cobweb type material which causes various illnesses.

4. Military aircraft are conducting weather control experiments, possibly in concert with the HAARP project. (Reynolds)

Consider, however, that any biological or chemical agents released at 25,000 feet or above would be absolutely impossible to control, making any measurement of effects on the ground nearly impossible. (Presumably, the perpetrators of this evil deed have immunized themselves against the effects of their poisons.) Such an exercise would be pointless, unless you just wanted to pollute the atmosphere. And where is the evidence of the illnesses being caused by these agents? Surely, these chemicals have been identified and the diseases have names? (Yes, according to Clifford E. Carnicom, who claims he's analyzed ground-level air samples and they contained a lot of bad stuff.* Of course, we have to take it on faith that these ground-level samples blew his way from some government plane that dumped toxic chemicals somewhere in the sky at some time, presumably in the past.) If you have a desire to poison your people, do it on a night when the wind isn't blowing and fly at low altitude, so you can have some control over where your poison lands. And use something that's invisible. Cobwebs and clouds dispersed in the troposphere might land more than a thousand miles from where you spew them out and would be visible to many people.

holy contrails over Davis

According to the PCTs, governments and pharmaceutical firms poison us because, as one of them puts it: "Chronically sick people are more useful than dead people."* How so, a rational person might wonder? If you are chronically sick, then you need expensive drugs and you are easier to enslave. Of course. Why didn't I think of that? On the other hand, if people weren't sick they could get jobs, pay taxes, stimulate the economy, pay for their drugs, and work for me.

The most reasonable explanation for the abundance of contrails in so many shapes and sizes is that (1) there has been an increase in commercial air traffic and (2) global warming is a reality. It does not follow from those facts—if they are facts—that there have not been government or military experiments that have involved airplanes spewing chemicals in the atmosphere (see Cole). But, it is a long way from that fact—if it is a fact—to supporting the notion that governments or pharmaceutical firms are systematically releasing chemicals into the atmosphere to make us sick as part of some twisted government plot.

Cloudbuster. Chemtrails. Coincidence? I think not!

Weatherman admits Military Dumping Chemtrails

Dr. Perlinigieri exposes many aspects of the Chemtrails including nanoparticles as well as aerosol chemtrails loaded with toxins and poisons,