RodeoSchro said:

Hey Cloudbuster:

How did you go from:

"Some say chemtrails have various purposes, some say they don't exist.

No idea what the truth is but I found these interesting."

To:

"Then go tell those with Morgellons that their suffering is delusional."

In four pages of one thread?

Some say the two are connected, which you'd know if you had bothered to watch the vids and followed the links.

Seems you're only interested in taking the piss and trolling which, funnily enough, you accused me of doing.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Hey Cloudbuster:

How did you go from:

"Some say chemtrails have various purposes, some say they don't exist.

No idea what the truth is but I found these interesting."

To:

"Then go tell those with Morgellons that their suffering is delusional."

In four pages of one thread?

Some say the two are connected, which you'd know if you had bothered to watch the vids and followed the links.

Seems you're only interested in taking the piss and trolling which, funnily enough, you accused me of doing.

Actually, I've provided clear-cut, undisputable facts that have refuted any and every argument made by the chemtrailists.

You, on the other hand, said you had no opinion on whether they existed or not and then proceeded to fill up three pages with "proof" they exist.

My accusation stands, but don't think I don't appreciate your top-notch trolling!

RodeoSchro said:

Cloudbuster said:

Some say the two are connected, which you'd know if you had bothered to watch the vids and followed the links.

Seems you're only interested in taking the piss and trolling which, funnily enough, you accused me of doing.

Actually, I've provided clear-cut, undisputable facts that have refuted any and every argument made by the chemtrailists.

You, on the other hand, said you had no opinion on whether they existed or not and then proceeded to fill up three pages with "proof" they exist.

My accusation stands, but don't think I don't appreciate your top-notch trolling!

Trolling??? Are you really going to put him in the same category as Only?

RodeoSchro said:

Actually, I've provided clear-cut, undisputable facts that have refuted any and every argument made by the chemtrailists.

You, on the other hand, said you had no opinion on whether they existed or not and then proceeded to fill up three pages with "proof" they exist.

My accusation stands, but don't think I don't appreciate your top-notch trolling!

Wrong. I said I didn't know what chemtrails are for but that they may be linked to Morgellons which you have ridiculed as delusional.

Does this look delusional? http://www.google.co.uk/s...0QXOh4CwDw

http://www.carnicominstit...2011-2.htm

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

RodeoSchro said:

Actually, I've provided clear-cut, undisputable facts that have refuted any and every argument made by the chemtrailists.

You, on the other hand, said you had no opinion on whether they existed or not and then proceeded to fill up three pages with "proof" they exist.

My accusation stands, but don't think I don't appreciate your top-notch trolling!

Trolling??? Are you really going to put him in the same category as Only?

Kind of, but he's a far, far better troll than He Who Is On My Self-Made Ignore List.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Actually, I've provided clear-cut, undisputable facts that have refuted any and every argument made by the chemtrailists.

You, on the other hand, said you had no opinion on whether they existed or not and then proceeded to fill up three pages with "proof" they exist.

My accusation stands, but don't think I don't appreciate your top-notch trolling!

Wrong. I said I didn't know what chemtrails are for but that they may be linked to Morgellons which you have ridiculed as delusional.

Does this look delusional? http://www.google.co.uk/s...0QXOh4CwDw

Actually, medical science and the CDC labelled it "delusional" and "non-existent". I simply reported on their findings, which you didn't like and therefore called it "ridiculing". The were for you and your lack of research.

And now you are saying that you "don't know what chemtrails are for", when in reality the question is, "Do chemtrails exist?"

There is no such things as chemtrails. There are contrails, which have been explained to you and MacDaddy by me. But you have now moved to pre-supposing the existence of chemtrails, and of course I won't let you get away with that.

Your trolling standards should be much higher!

RodeoSchro said:

Actually, medical science and the CDC labelled it "delusional" and "non-existent". I simply reported on their findings, which you didn't like and therefore called it "ridiculing". The were for you and your lack of research.

And now you are saying that you "don't know what chemtrails are for", when in reality the question is, "Do chemtrails exist?"

There is no such things as chemtrails. There are contrails, which have been explained to you and MacDaddy by me. But you have now moved to pre-supposing the existence of chemtrails, and of course I won't let you get away with that.

Your trolling standards should be much higher!

Your arrogance is astounding. You think that chemtrails aren't real so therefore they aren't. Ok

And those pics of skin lesions and fibres are all false. Ok.

Keep on trollin' sir.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Actually, medical science and the CDC labelled it "delusional" and "non-existent". I simply reported on their findings, which you didn't like and therefore called it "ridiculing". The were for you and your lack of research.

And now you are saying that you "don't know what chemtrails are for", when in reality the question is, "Do chemtrails exist?"

There is no such things as chemtrails. There are contrails, which have been explained to you and MacDaddy by me. But you have now moved to pre-supposing the existence of chemtrails, and of course I won't let you get away with that.

Your trolling standards should be much higher!

Your arrogance is astounding. You think that chemtrails aren't real so therefore they aren't. Ok

And those pics of skin lesions and fibres are all false. Ok.

Keep on trollin' sir.

You think they are real, so therefore they are. How does that make you any less arrogant than me?

I have actual aviation experience, including owning several private jets; managing an airport; and having both a father and father-in-law that were in the Air Force. I know what a contrail is.

I know for a fact that all the pictures you posted are contrails from commercial or military jets.

You, on the other hand, came in here stating that you had "no idea what the truth is" and do you know what?

I agree with you 100%. You DO have no idea what the truth is.

And that is the only honest thing you've said on this thread.

RodeoSchro said:

You think they are real, so therefore they are. How does that make you any less arrogant than me?

I have actual aviation experience, including owning several private jets; managing an airport; and having both a father and father-in-law that were in the Air Force. I know what a contrail is.

I know for a fact that all the pictures you posted are contrails from commercial or military jets.

You, on the other hand, came in here stating that you had "no idea what the truth is" and do you know what?

I agree with you 100%. You DO have no idea what the truth is.

And that is the only honest thing you've said on this thread.

Yes, I do say that chemtrails are real because there's plenty of evidence to support that claim.

But yes, I admit that I don't know what they're for. This thread was created for those of us who believe in chemtrails.

You don't, so your entire purpose for being here is to troll. So go start your own thread about the non-existence of chemtrails, no doubt it'll garner far more interest and responses than this one.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

You think they are real, so therefore they are. How does that make you any less arrogant than me?

I have actual aviation experience, including owning several private jets; managing an airport; and having both a father and father-in-law that were in the Air Force. I know what a contrail is.

I know for a fact that all the pictures you posted are contrails from commercial or military jets.

You, on the other hand, came in here stating that you had "no idea what the truth is" and do you know what?

I agree with you 100%. You DO have no idea what the truth is.

And that is the only honest thing you've said on this thread.

Yes, I do say that chemtrails are real because there's plenty of evidence to support that claim.

But yes, I admit that I don't know what they're for. This thread was created for those of us who believe in chemtrails.

You don't, so your entire purpose for being here is to troll. So go start your own thread about the non-existence of chemtrails, no doubt it'll garner far more interest and responses than this one.

I'll leave when Supa asks me to. It's his thread, not yours.

RodeoSchro said:

I'll leave when Supa asks me to. It's his thread, not yours.

What you're really saying is that you'll continue to troll.

Visionnaire said:

Whenever I come to this site,
I always leave chemtrails behind.
That way I can find my way back.

RodeoSchro said:

I explained why contrails can start and stop - changes in airspeed; changes in air pressure. Contrails can emanate from any control surface. They don't come FROM engines - they come off the surface area of the engine housings. That's why you also see contrails coming off wingtips, tails, etc.

Do you really believe that all clouds are rain clouds? How do you know the clouds in that video will produce any rain at all? And how do you explain all the "chemtrails" that are left in perfectly blue, cloudless skies? To what are THOSE going to "bind"?

C'mon, use your brain. Examine the amount of contrails you see in the sky. Notice the contrails coming from just one airliner. It's endless, isn't it? It goes from one end of the visible sky to the other, doesn't it? It started miles and miles before you could see it, didn't it? And it's going to go on for miles and miles after it's out of your view, isn't it?

Now, given those indisputable facts, consider this - that contrail you are looking at is coming from a commercial airliner. An aircraft that has a cabin filled with people, and a luggage area filled with luggage.

Consider how much "chemical agent" would have to be on that plane to leave a "chemtrail" that is hundreds, or even thousands, of miles long.

WHERE IN THE AIRCRAFT COULD SO MUCH CHEMICAL AGENT BE STORED?

It can't be in the wings - that's where the fuel is.

It can't be in the cabin - that's where the passengers are.

It could only be in the underbelly. But have you ever seen the underbelly of a commercial airliner?

I have - many times. If you haven't, you need to. Figure out how to do it, and do it. Every single airliner leaves contrails. Therefore, all you - OR ANYONE - has to do is look into the underbelly of any airliner as soon as it lands.

The barrells and barrells needed to deliver such a vast amount of "chemtrails" should be easily visible. In fact, they should take up most of the underbelly. There will be absolutely no way you or anyone else could possibly miss them.

If you are afraid to look, just ask any baggage handler in the world. They work in the underbelly of airliners all day, every day. If anyone knows about the onboard chemtrail equipment, it will be baggage handlers.

There are thousand and thousands and thousands of baggage handlers in America. According to the chemtrail conspiracists, every single one of them MUST be in on this secret. Now, you and I know that not many people can keep a secret, so get some baggage handlers to spill the beans. A couple beers ought to do the trick.

So go look. Take your camera. You should easily be able to prove, once and for all, that airliners are fitted with special equipment that is spraying a chemical agent on us.

.

[Edited 5/30/13 7:27am]

Mate, seriously; they don't use commercial airlines.
Did you look at this?

Although I think this bill was withdrawn one has to wonder why chemtrails are listed under exotic weapons.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/co...r2977.html

http://www.arizonaskywatch.com/

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

I'll leave when Supa asks me to. It's his thread, not yours.

What you're really saying is that you'll continue to troll.

Poor wee little cloudbuster. Someone's busted one his conspiracy clouds and now his panties are in a wad.

Too bad.

MacDaddy said:

RodeoSchro said:

I explained why contrails can start and stop - changes in airspeed; changes in air pressure. Contrails can emanate from any control surface. They don't come FROM engines - they come off the surface area of the engine housings. That's why you also see contrails coming off wingtips, tails, etc.

Do you really believe that all clouds are rain clouds? How do you know the clouds in that video will produce any rain at all? And how do you explain all the "chemtrails" that are left in perfectly blue, cloudless skies? To what are THOSE going to "bind"?

C'mon, use your brain. Examine the amount of contrails you see in the sky. Notice the contrails coming from just one airliner. It's endless, isn't it? It goes from one end of the visible sky to the other, doesn't it? It started miles and miles before you could see it, didn't it? And it's going to go on for miles and miles after it's out of your view, isn't it?

Now, given those indisputable facts, consider this - that contrail you are looking at is coming from a commercial airliner. An aircraft that has a cabin filled with people, and a luggage area filled with luggage.

Consider how much "chemical agent" would have to be on that plane to leave a "chemtrail" that is hundreds, or even thousands, of miles long.

WHERE IN THE AIRCRAFT COULD SO MUCH CHEMICAL AGENT BE STORED?

It can't be in the wings - that's where the fuel is.

It can't be in the cabin - that's where the passengers are.

It could only be in the underbelly. But have you ever seen the underbelly of a commercial airliner?

I have - many times. If you haven't, you need to. Figure out how to do it, and do it. Every single airliner leaves contrails. Therefore, all you - OR ANYONE - has to do is look into the underbelly of any airliner as soon as it lands.

The barrells and barrells needed to deliver such a vast amount of "chemtrails" should be easily visible. In fact, they should take up most of the underbelly. There will be absolutely no way you or anyone else could possibly miss them.

If you are afraid to look, just ask any baggage handler in the world. They work in the underbelly of airliners all day, every day. If anyone knows about the onboard chemtrail equipment, it will be baggage handlers.

There are thousand and thousands and thousands of baggage handlers in America. According to the chemtrail conspiracists, every single one of them MUST be in on this secret. Now, you and I know that not many people can keep a secret, so get some baggage handlers to spill the beans. A couple beers ought to do the trick.

So go look. Take your camera. You should easily be able to prove, once and for all, that airliners are fitted with special equipment that is spraying a chemical agent on us.

.

[Edited 5/30/13 7:27am]

Mate, seriously; they don't use commercial airlines.
Did you look at this?

The pictures that cloudbuster and others post as "proof" of chemtrails are all contrails made by commercial airliners.

Unless, of course, you're one of those that buys into the shapeshifting airplanes theory.

Do you buy into the shapeshifting airplanes theory?

RodeoSchro said:

MacDaddy said:

Mate, seriously; they don't use commercial airlines.
Did you look at this?

The pictures that cloudbuster and others post as "proof" of chemtrails are all contrails made by commercial airliners.

Unless, of course, you're one of those that buys into the shapeshifting airplanes theory.

Do you buy into the shapeshifting airplanes theory?

No I don't believe in shapeshifting airplanes. Let me ask you again, did you watch the video I posted? It's only a little over 5 minutes.

RodeoSchro said:

Poor wee little cloudbuster. Someone's busted one his conspiracy clouds and now his panties are in a wad.

Too bad.

All you've done is proven your ignorance.

MacDaddy said:

No I don't believe in shapeshifting airplanes. Let me ask you again, did you watch the video I posted? It's only a little over 5 minutes.

He's not here to learn anything, he's here to troll.

Genesia said:

Most materials collected from participants' skin were composed of cellulose, likely of cotton origin.

They're poisoning our shirts!

That's it, I'm no longer eating shirts!!

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Poor wee little cloudbuster. Someone's busted one his conspiracy clouds and now his panties are in a wad.

Too bad.

All you've done is proven your ignorance.

Poor wee little cloudbuster. He came in here under false pretenses, claiming to have no opinion, and then proceeded to fill the thread with "information" that presented only one side of the story (the crazy side).

Would he present any evidence that chemtrails DON'T exist? Why, you would think so if he truly came in here with an open mind. But of course, our wee little friend only posted pro-chemtrail propaganda.

What about that nasty disease, Morgellans?!? Our little buddy showed us plenty of pictures of sores, but for some reason totally ignored the medical and scientific evidence that proved those sores were NOT the result of anything sprayed from the sky. Gee, that doesn't sound like the actions of someone who came in here with an open mind, does it?

How about studying the evidence from the other side? Surely someone who had an open mind, and no opinion, would have done that, right? We all know our wee little friend cloudbuster proudly proclaimed at the very beginning that he "had no idea what the truth is". So I posted plenty of evidence proving chemtrails do not exist. So did others.

Did our little buddy attack even one counter-argument to show why any of his arguments were wrong? Nope! He keeps his wee little head stuck in the sand which, if you think of it, kind of makes it impossible to see chemtrails!

The sane posters on this thread have proven three things:

(1) There is no such thing as chemtrails
(2) There is no such thing as Morgellons
(3) Cloudbuster is a troll

Not sure who said this but anyway; "The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off."

Prior to reading this thread, I had no idea whatsoever what "chemtrails" were. Heard the term, but never knew what they were supposed to be.

After reading this thread, I gotta say that RodeoSchro is pretty much destroying the idea of chemtrails--at least the idea of chemtrails as put forth by those who believe in a conspiracy behind them.

It's almost as if there is just an absolute desire to believe the chemtrails conspiracy exists. I would think hearing factual scientific evidence that explains what you're experiencing, coupled with applying some common sense aspects, would be reassuring. But it never is lol...nobody ever says "Hmm, well that's good to know." For whatever reason, it seems nobody ever feels better after hearing evidence that they're not being poisoned/controlled/manipulated by forces beyond their control.

Kinda like when your spouse or partner is convinced you're cheating on them because they smell perfume on one of your shirts, and get angry and upset. When you remind them the perfume smell on your shirt is actually air freshener from when the canister of Febreeze sprung a leak, it doesn't matter lol...the emotion of believing they had evidence of you having an affair still remains strong, and they still go on believing that you probably ARE cheating on them anyway. A logical, factual explanation for their "evidence" was given, but that hardly matters. Once the emotion of a "conspiracy" they thought they discovered takes hold, it's not gonna go away merely because factual evidence to the contrary is given. Hell no. If anything, that's just more proof that you're lying lol ...

Things have to make complete sense to me. Which is why I rarely believe in conspiracy theories...when I put even a little thought to it there ends up being too many links missing in the conspiracy's chain of logic.

MacDaddy said:

RodeoSchro said:

The pictures that cloudbuster and others post as "proof" of chemtrails are all contrails made by commercial airliners.

Unless, of course, you're one of those that buys into the shapeshifting airplanes theory.

Do you buy into the shapeshifting airplanes theory?

No I don't believe in shapeshifting airplanes. Let me ask you again, did you watch the video I posted? It's only a little over 5 minutes.

Yes, I did watch it. Three minutes of slides, with absolutely no data whatsoever. Pictures of ONE jet fitted with barrels and nozzles. I am sure that jet exists. I know that various governments, including the US, have experimented with cloud seeding in an effort to reduce drought. No surprise there.

The surprise is that whomever put together your video provided absolutely NOTHING in the way of explanation for ANYTHING he posted.

How about the last two minutes? Nothing but a 180-degree view of some contrails. As you can see when he pans to the right side, the contrails begin to blend into what are CLEARLY stratocumulus clouds. And ask yourself this - why did the videographer not pan 360 degrees? I am certain the answer is that would have showed more of the cloud formations, thus killing the attempt to show the sky covered in "chemtrails".

But for the sake of argument, let's assume that video does, in fact, show chemical-laden spraying. Do you realize how high up those jets must be? Let me give you some technical information.

Commercial jet paths range from approximately 28,000 feet to approximately 39,000 feet. (Below that is reserved for not-jet aviation - prop planes, turbo props, etc.). The military uses space just above and just below commercial air routes. (One time an F-16 pilot asked permission to buzz us as a training exercise and we said OK. He intercepted us at 500 knots, right in front of our plane. It was the coolest MF-ing thing I have ever seen!)

Therefore, if there is a fleet of chemical-spraying jets, they MUST be at an altitude of about 45,000 feet or higher (that's about 8 miles up).

Winds aloft (meaning the wind speed at high altitudes) are never less than 20 knots, and often are consistently 100 knots or more. And weirdly enough, the strongest winds are usually found in mid-altitude levels. Are you with me so far?

So imagine if you will how much dispersal there is of a chemical released at 50,000 feet, from an aircraft traveling 500 knots. In order for ANY chemical to make it to the Earth in ANY kind of concentrated form at all, it would have to be about as thick as rain. But we don't ever see chemicals raining down on us, do we?

Oh but Rodeo, you say, maybe they release the chemicals INTO the rain! OK fine, but 99% of all "chemtrail" pictures posted as chemtrail proof are of "chemtrails" in cloudless skies. And think about it - how inconsistent would be the mind-control or whatever is supposed to be happening? People in rainy climates would be zombies, while people in arid climates would be under no mind-control at all! Hardly the hallmarks of an evil-genius plan, are they?

So any chemical sprayed from 45,000 feet, being dumped out of an aircraft traveling 500 knots, and floating down through winds that are consistently about 50 knots but much of the time are above 100 knots (i.e. hurricane-force winds!) would land on Earth at a molecule at a time. Seriously. If you stood under one of these "chemtrail" dumpings and let it filter down on you, the odds of even one grain landing on you are incredibly small.

To increase those odds, an absolutely GIGANTIC amount of chemtrails would have to be dumped continually. That, of course, would take an air force of chemtrail planes so large that it could not possibly be hidden anywhere on the face of the Earth. You know, there are only so many runways that can accommodate commercial airliner-size jets. It's not like they could be hiding these one-by-one at rural airports and if they did, they would stand out like sore thumbs.

If there IS an air force of these jets, you would know about it. There wouldn't be just ONE nozzle-equipped jet like in your video; there would be thousands and thousands.

Please tell me you grasp this.