So apparently Hitchcock's "Vertigo" finally topped "Citizen Kane" as the greatest film of all time.

LONDON – Orson Welles' Citizen Kane no longer enjoys the moniker of greatest film of all time, a plaudit it has held for 50 years.

The movie has occupied top billing in the British Film Institute published magazine Sight & Sound's once-a-decade international critics’ film poll since 1962.

The Critics’ Top 10 Greatest Films of All Time

Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)

Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953)

La Règle du jeu (Renoir, 1939)

Sunrise: A Song for Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)

2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

The Searchers (Ford, 1956)

Man With a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929)

The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927)

8 ½ (Fellini, 1963)

full story HERE

So as I'm reading this, I realize that out of all those films, the only one I've seen is "2001: A Space Odyssey"

I've always wanted to see Citizen Kane, and I may have seen bits of Vertigo once but I can't recall.

Have you all seen any/most of the films on that list?

I haven't officially seen any of them.

I tired watching 2001 w/my bf some time last year and found it to be incredibly boring. Perhaps if I were in the right mindset and went to see it on the big screen when it first came out it would make some kind of sense but late on a Friday night in my pajamas I could barely keep any interest. We tried skipping ahead here and there and finally turned it off.

CarrieMpls said:

I haven't officially seen any of them.

I tired watching 2001 w/my bf some time last year and found it to be incredibly boring. Perhaps if I were in the right mindset and went to see it on the big screen when it first came out it would make some kind of sense but late on a Friday night in my pajamas I could barely keep any interest. We tried skipping ahead here and there and finally turned it off.

WORST.

POST.

EVER.

imago said:

CarrieMpls said:

I haven't officially seen any of them.

I tired watching 2001 w/my bf some time last year and found it to be incredibly boring. Perhaps if I were in the right mindset and went to see it on the big screen when it first came out it would make some kind of sense but late on a Friday night in my pajamas I could barely keep any interest. We tried skipping ahead here and there and finally turned it off.

WORST.

POST.

EVER.

Seriously. I think you have to be a contemporary of the 60's or on drugs to appreciate it. It's far too long, slow paced and boring. 10 minute sequences of color flashes? Who wants to sit through that?

I don't know if these are the 'best', but these are my favorite films.

1. Alien

2. Blade Runner

3. Aliens

4. Raiders of the Lost Ark

5. Star Trek IV

6. LOTR (the trilogy)

7. Letters from Iwo jima

8. The Sound of Music

9. ANTZ (Woody Allen)

10. Passion Fish

The bottom 3 or 4 tend to change.

CarrieMpls said:

I haven't officially seen any of them.

I tired watching 2001 w/my bf some time last year and found it to be incredibly boring. Perhaps if I were in the right mindset and went to see it on the big screen when it first came out it would make some kind of sense but late on a Friday night in my pajamas I could barely keep any interest. We tried skipping ahead here and there and finally turned it off.

My ex was the same...she couldn't get through that film. And the "monkeys" annoyed her.

You definitely need to be in the right mindset to watch it.

imago said:

I don't know if these are the 'best', but these are my favorite films.

1. Alien

2. Blade Runner

3. Aliens

4. Raiders of the Lost Ark

5. Star Trek IV

6. LOTR (the trilogy)

7. Letters from Iwo jima

8. The Sound of Music

9. ANTZ (Woody Allen)

10. Passion Fish

The bottom 3 or 4 tend to change.

Focus man...FOCUS!!!

Have you actually seen any on the "Top 10" list?

I would assume you've at least seen "2001" ?

PurpleJedi said:

imago said:

I don't know if these are the 'best', but these are my favorite films.

1. Alien

2. Blade Runner

3. Aliens

4. Raiders of the Lost Ark

5. Star Trek IV

6. LOTR (the trilogy)

7. Letters from Iwo jima

8. The Sound of Music

9. ANTZ (Woody Allen)

10. Passion Fish

The bottom 3 or 4 tend to change.

Focus man...FOCUS!!!

Have you actually seen any on the "Top 10" list?

I would assume you've at least seen "2001" ?

oh crap.

Sorry, I don't often read your threads before I post on them, unless i want to make fun of something.

Give me a minute.

OK, after having finally read your post, I would like to say that I've only seen 2001 and really liked it, but felt it was a bit too avant guarde. I do wish that people would stop comparing Promtheus to it though, as 2001 was a far superior film.

And what Carriempls posted proves that Dec 21, 2012 is indeed the last day on earth.

imago said:

OK, after having finally read your post, I would like to say that I've only seen 2001 and really liked it, but felt it was a bit too avant guarde. I do wish that people would stop comparing Promtheus to it though, as 2001 was a far superior film.

And what Carriempls posted proves that Dec 21, 2012 is indeed the last day on earth.

Yeah...you can't really compare "Prometheus" to "2001".

PurpleJedi said:

imago said:

OK, after having finally read your post, I would like to say that I've only seen 2001 and really liked it, but felt it was a bit too avant guarde. I do wish that people would stop comparing Promtheus to it though, as 2001 was a far superior film.

And what Carriempls posted proves that Dec 21, 2012 is indeed the last day on earth.

Yeah...you can't really compare "Prometheus" to "2001".

I get so tired of those comparisons.

One might as well say that Tupac is the modern day Duke Ellington.

You have to watch Citizen Kane it's so far ahead of it's time.

An absolute masterpiece.

I'm sure the ending has been spoiled for you though it has been parodied many times.

CarrieMpls said:

I haven't officially seen any of them.

I tired watching 2001 w/my bf some time last year and found it to be incredibly boring. Perhaps if I were in the right mindset and went to see it on the big screen when it first came out it would make some kind of sense but late on a Friday night in my pajamas I could barely keep any interest. We tried skipping ahead here and there and finally turned it off.

Carrie, you aren't alone. I've never been able to get into 2001, either - and I've tried many times. (They show it on TCM pretty regularly.) It is beyond boring.

That said, I have seen 6 of the 10 they name - some of them multiple times. Of that list, I'd say Sunrise is probably my favorite. Awesome, awesome silent film.

And the work of Maria Falconetti in The Passion of Joan of Arc is just insanely good. Quite possibly the greatest acting performance ever. (Although I'd have to say Luise Rainer's work in The Good Earth is right up there, too.)

PurpleJedi said:

Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958) the ending left me cold

Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953) ? sounds like some realistic drama, ugh

La Règle du jeu (Renoir, 1939)

Sunrise: A Song for Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)

2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

The Searchers (Ford, 1956)

Man With a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929)

The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927)

8 ½ (Fellini, 1963)

Have you all seen any/most of the films on that list?

Apparently critics love down-to-earth/realistic dramas and they consider the 20's/30's (and some films of the 40's/50's) as the age of "true cinema" (they remind me of Rolling Stone, a magazine still stuck in the 60's/70's pop/rock era),

and it's funny (aka irritating) how they always ignore the 70's, possibly the greatest decade of modern cinema...

I've seen the bolded ones, but I don't own any of those

My personal top10 (not only dramas, but also action, sci-fi, etc), random order, cuz it's bullshit to argue if Vertigo is better than The Searchers or viceversa

The Seven Samurai (1954) a movie that works as a drama, as a frontier movie, as an action/adventure movie, as a medieval movie, etc, overlong, exhausting and epic

The Godfather part II (1974) best drama/thriller of all time, and excellent dual story editing...

Nosferatu (1922) (best silent movie of all time, in my opinion)

Barry Lyndon (1975) best costume design, make-up and cinematography I will ever see...

Blade Runner (1982) sci-fi classic, this resonates a lot more than 2001 because I haven't seen any monoliths (have you?, lol) but the possibility of AI androids is already (almost) here folks...it will eventually happen...

The Seventh Seal (1957) best existentialist/religious/atheist movie I've ever seen and, for a change, Bergman delivered a serious but entertaining/enjoyable movie

Apocalypse Now (1979) (the helicopter attack sequence changed the rules of the game, after that, everything was possible)

Unforgiven (1992) best western of all time, Searchers my ass

Citizen Kane (1941) (I don't care about the story, but the movie truly was like 30 years ahead of its time)

Jaws (1975) (best marriage of directing + editing + music I've ever seen)

and I could easily add Star Wars, Terminator 2 or Jurassic Park for the special effects, the CGI and the relentless pacing...

[Edited 8/2/12 7:39am]

Genesia said:

CarrieMpls said:

I haven't officially seen any of them.

I tired watching 2001 w/my bf some time last year and found it to be incredibly boring. Perhaps if I were in the right mindset and went to see it on the big screen when it first came out it would make some kind of sense but late on a Friday night in my pajamas I could barely keep any interest. We tried skipping ahead here and there and finally turned it off.

Carrie, you aren't alone. I've never been able to get into 2001, either - and I've tried many times. (They show it on TCM pretty regularly.) It is beyond boring.

yep, many people dislike or HATE 2001, I mean, I like the first 30 minutes (the primates part) and the HAL subplot, but the rest of the movie is hopeless. I pretty much prefer Clockwork Orange or Blade Runner when it comes to sci-fi

I've only seen Vertigo and 8 1/2.

The blu-ray of Citizen Kane is sitting on my shelf. I really need to make time to watch that.

I've seen clips of La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc which look very cool. I'm hoping the U.K. blu-ray that comes out this fall is region-free so I can watch it in the states.

The rest of Sight and Sound's top 50 films:

11. Battleship Potemkin - Sergei Eisenstein, 1925

12. L’Atalante - Jean Vigo, 1934

13. Breathless - Jean-Luc Godard, 1960

14. Apocalypse Now - Francis Ford Coppola, 1979

15. Late Spring - Ozu Yasujiro, 1949

16. Au hasard Balthazar - Robert Bresson, 1966

17. (tie) Seven Samurai - Kurosawa Akira, 1954

17. (tie) Persona - Ingmar Bergman, 1966

19. Mirror - Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974

20. Singin’ in the Rain - Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951

21. (tie) L’avventura - Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960

21. (tie) Le Mépris - Jean-Luc Godard, 1963

21. (tie) The Godfather - Francis Ford Coppola, 1972

24. (tie) Ordet - Carl Dreyer, 1955

24. (tie) In the Mood for Love - Wong Kar-Wai, 2000

26. (tie) Rashomon - Kurosawa Akira, 1950

26. (tie) Andrei Rublev - Andrei Tarkovsky, 1966

28. Mulholland Dr. - David Lynch, 2001

29. (tie) Stalker - Andrei Tarkovsky, 1979

29. (tie) Shoah - Claude Lanzmann, 1985

31. (tie) The Godfather Part II - Francis Ford Coppola, 1974

31. (tie) Taxi Driver - Martin Scorsese, 1976

33. Bicycle Thieves - Vittoria De Sica, 1948

34. The General - Buster Keaton & Clyde Bruckman, 1926

35. (tie) Metropolis - Fritz Lang, 1927

35. (tie) Psycho - Alfred Hitchcock, 1960

35. (tie) Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce 1080 Bruxelles - Chantal Akerman, 1975

35. (tie) Sátántangó - Béla Tarr, 1994

39. (tie) The 400 Blows - François Truffaut, 1959

39. (tie) La dolce vita - Federico Fellini, 1960

41. Journey to Italy - Roberto Rossellini, 1954

42. (tie) Pather Panchali - Satyajit Ray, 1955

42. (tie) Some Like It Hot - Billy Wilder, 1959

42. (tie) Gertrud - Carl Dreyer, 1964

42. (tie) Pierrot le fou - Jean-Luc Godard, 1965

42. (tie) Play Time - Jacques Tati, 1967

42. (tie) Close-Up - Abbas Kiarostami, 1990

48. (tie) The Battle of Algiers - Gillo Pontecorvo, 1966

48. (tie) Histoire(s) du cinéma - Jean-Luc Godard, 1998

50. (tie) City Lights - Charlie Chaplin, 1931

50. (tie) Ugetsu monogatari - Mizoguchi Kenji, 1953

50. (tie) La Jetée - Chris Marker, 1962

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[Edited 8/2/12 21:32pm]

Am I the only one who was freaked out by "2001"? I know the movie is a mind fuck, but I guess I don't like my mind being fucked with because that movie scared the shit out of me.

I can't pinpoint what it was, but I was seriously freaked out.

Anyone else?

I love 2001, but I love the beginning more than the end. And I totally get why people don't like it.

The book explains quite a lot, and I think it's as entertaining as the film is slow.

PurpleJedi said:

Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)

Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

8 ½ (Fellini, 1963)

I've seen these. Liked them all.

This list is not the same as the AFI list, right? That one had more American films in the top ten--casablanca, Godfather...

Stymie said:

Just got finished watching Vertigo. I thought it was pretty bad.

sexton said:

Stymie said:

Just got finished watching Vertigo. I thought it was pretty bad.

Why am I not surprised?

Because you know me.

Only Vertigo and 2001 (like both of them) from the top 10. I've also seen Psycho and MEtropolis from the top 50

Stymie said:

Just got finished watching Vertigo. I thought it was pretty bad. I have not seen any of the other movies.

ZombieKitten said:

Stymie said:

Just got finished watching Vertigo. I thought it was pretty bad. I have not seen any of the other movies.

Well it's no Ted, I give you that!

I'd seen none from the top 10, but I do own the Godfather boxset (waiting for it to miraculously not feel like a chore ) and 8 1/2, which I might watch soon.

sexton said:

33. Bicycle Thieves - Vittoria De Sica, 1948

50. (tie) City Lights - Charlie Chaplin, 1931

two of the few films I have no problem seeing multiple times. the first for its simplicity and the way it unfolds, and the other for completely changing my view on silent films.

I'd have also loved to see Chaplin's Gold Rush make the list because I think its use of special effects looked too ahead of its time - especially for a silent film - to not be included there.

PurpleJedi said:

So apparently Hitchcock's "Vertigo" finally topped "Citizen Kane" as the greatest film of all time.

LONDON – Orson Welles' Citizen Kane no longer enjoys the moniker of greatest film of all time, a plaudit it has held for 50 years.

The movie has occupied top billing in the British Film Institute published magazine Sight & Sound's once-a-decade international critics’ film poll since 1962.

The Critics’ Top 10 Greatest Films of All Time

Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)

Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953)

La Règle du jeu (Renoir, 1939)

Sunrise: A Song for Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)

2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

The Searchers (Ford, 1956)

Man With a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929)

The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927)

8 ½ (Fellini, 1963)

full story HERE

So as I'm reading this, I realize that out of all those films, the only one I've seen is "2001: A Space Odyssey"

I've always wanted to see Citizen Kane, and I may have seen bits of Vertigo once but I can't recall.

Have you all seen any/most of the films on that list?

I've seen Vertigo, Citizen Kane, 2001, all multiple times.

I've seen 8 1/2 once very closely in a double feature at a friend's house with "Stardust Memories" I recommend that combo.

I've seen The Searchers once... need to check it out again.

I have a blu-ray of "Rules of the Game" waiting to be watched, but I think I'm watching "The Grey" first...

All of y'all who don't like 2001: A Space Odyssey are Nazis! And baby eaters! ...And Blue Meanies. That film is a damned revelation!

Citizen Kane, on the other hand...

[Edited 8/5/12 20:02pm]

Of the Top 10, I've seen...

Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)

Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927)

8 ½ (Fellini, 1963)

I appreciate each for quite different reasons...

* Vertigo simply because no one does mounting crisis, suspense, and sheer pathos quite like Hitchcock -- and this was perhaps his best display of it;

* 2001 because, though disjointed, it's an intoxicating and pioneering marriage of classical drama, the psychedelic aesthetic of its time, and unfettered science fiction brainstorming;

* The Passion of Joan of Arc for its naked and simple sincerity -- all capsulized, as Genesia suggested, in Maria Falconetti's legendary performance;

* 8 1/2 'cause it's eye candy and just friggin' trippy. I don't recall much as I saw it last over 15 years ago, but I remember being captivated -- albeit confused -- by Fellini's casual juxtaposition of things real and imagined. With its picturesque Italian settings and beautiful cast, it's just a gorgeous existentialist meandering.

...I crap on Citizen Kane, and, in fact, I've never been able to sit through an entire viewing. But still one can appreciate its ambitions as an epic life study. It has influenced any number of really decent biopics that have come since.

[Edited 8/5/12 20:06pm]