Dewrede said:

HotGritz said:

Um....the Thanksgiving holiday has absolutely nothing to do with disciplining your children nor does it have anything to do with being pious. Most people discipline their children according to how they themselves were disciplined. You either follow in your parents' footsteps or you don't. Some forms of child rearing are cultural in nature. I've noticed people from the southern most part of the US are more likely to spank than northerners.

That's nice that you love your children and don't condone spanking and "juvenile detention" as you put it but if your kids grow up and start acting like monsters, don't say we didn't warn you.

Not trying to offend anyone but

reading this thread it appears as if corporal punishment for children is more accepted and practiced by blacks than whites , rather than it having to do with region

How would you come to that conclusion? I don't see anyone mentioning race here except you. Plus, the video is of a white man whipping his child.

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

Nice to know ur keeping score like that.

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

*shot*

HotGritz said:

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

Nice to know ur keeping score like that.

It's just something i noticed

smoothcriminal12 said:

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

*shot*

Dewrede said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

*shot*

so it's me and Dewrede against the world lol......lets not derail this thread by race guys...ripping the shit out of Americans is cool tho.....dont you just love controversy?...

Hey im gonna defuse that black V white bullshit ...... right now....

smoothcriminal12 said:

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

*shot*

*with 577 T-Rex Rifle*

funkmunki said:

so it's me and Dewrede against the world lol......lets not derail this thread by race guys...ripping the shit out of Americans is cool tho.....dont you just love controversy?...

Hey im gonna defuse that black V white bullshit ...... right now....

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

no shots coming from from me. personally i think corporal punishment is not good and should only be used if the parent's very young child runs into the street, or puts him/her self in harms way, then it should only be a few swats and a loud verbal scolding. that works just as well as repeated blows from a strap or whatever.

beating and whooping results from the trekkle down theory of slavery that corporal punishment has been practiced and accepted by many black parents. pre-and post slavery children got beat, whooped, spanked, punished with many body harming items to protect them from the fears of their parents living in racially violent and un-predictable areas of this country. they felt they had to keep their children in line at all cost. many overt and subliminal fears has forced many black parents to not "spare the rod."

historically black kids that were too proud, outspoken or curious in their everyday lives could end up at the raw end of life and at the hands of an angry (non-black) mob. remember 14yr old emmett till, he got brutally murdered for alledgedly whistling at a white woman? "before his departure for the delta, till's mother cautioned him that chicago and mississippi were two different worlds and he should know how to behave in front of whites in the south." behavior was the word. many black parents were strict and used (sometimes) harsh corporal punishment to keep their kids corraled and away from death's racist doors.

some black parents condone corporal punishment, and some do not. its just the facts.

one word "education".......

We should make the distinction between a parent whooping their child and corporal punishment as an institution.

Here's some light reading

http://www.localhistories...poral.html

A BRIEF HISTORY OF CORPORAL PUNISHMENT

By Tim Lambert

Corporal punishment is derived from a Latin word meaning body. It meant physical punishment and in the past it was very common. In the past corporal punishment was by no means limited to children. It was used on adults as well.

Flogging has been a common punishment since ancient times. Jesus was flogged before he was crucified. In England from the Middle Ages whipping was a common punishment for minor crimes. In the 18th century whipping or flogging was a common punishment in the British army and navy. However it was abolished in 1881.

Among commonly used forms of corporal punishment was birching. This punishment meant beating a person across the backside with birch twigs. Once a common punishment in schools it could also be imposed by the courts for minor offences. Birching civilians was banned in Britain in 1948 (except in prisons where it was used until 1962).

Meanwhile for thousands of years until the late 20th century teachers beat children. In The Ancient World the teachers were strict and often beat the pupils.

In the Middle Ages discipline was also severe. Boys were beaten with rods or birch twigs. Punishments in Tudor schools were still harsh. The teacher often had a stick with birch twigs attached to it. Boys were hit with the birch twigs on their bare buttocks.

Until the late 20th century teachers hit children. In the 19th century hitting boys and girls with a bamboo cane became popular. In the 20th century the cane was used in both primary and secondary schools.

Meanwhile the ruler was a punishment commonly used in primary schools in the 20th century. The teacher hit the child on the hand with a wooden ruler.

The slipper was often used in secondary schools. Slipper is a euphemism. Normally it was a trainer or a plimsoll. Teachers (usually PE teachers) used a trainer to hit children on the backside.

The tawse was a punishment used in Scottish schools. It was a leather strap with two or three tails. It was used in Scotland to hit a child's hand. Meanwhile in the 20th century the leather strap was used in some English schools. Children were either hit across the hands or the backside.

Furthermore in the 19th century children were hit at work. In the early 19th century in textile mills children who were lazy were hit with leather straps. Furthermore lazy children sometimes had their heads ducked in a container of water.

However in the late 1960s and early 1970s the cane was phased out in most primary schools. In England in 1987 the cane was banned in state-funded secondary schools. It was banned in private schools in 1999.

Throughout history until very recently parents hit their children. However in the late 20th century public opinion turned against corporal punishment and in several countries it has been banned.

free2bfreeda said:

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

no shots coming from from me. personally i think corporal punishment is not good and should only be used if the parent's very young child runs into the street, or puts him/her self in harms way, then it should only be a few swats and a loud verbal scolding. that works just as well as repeated blows from a strap or whatever.

beating and whooping results from the trekkle down theory of slavery that corporal punishment has been practiced and accepted by many black parents. pre-and post slavery children got beat, whooped, spanked, punished with many body harming items to protect them from the fears of their parents living in racially violent and un-predictable areas of this country. they felt they had to keep their children in line at all cost. many overt and subliminal fears has forced many black parents to not "spare the rod."

historically black kids that were too proud, outspoken or curious in their everyday lives could end up at the raw end of life and at the hands of an angry (non-black) mob. remember 14yr old emmett till, he got brutally murdered for alledgedly whistling at a white woman? "before his departure for the delta, till's mother cautioned him that chicago and mississippi were two different worlds and he should know how to behave in front of whites in the south." behavior was the word. many black parents were strict and used (sometimes) harsh corporal punishment to keep their kids corraled and away from death's racist doors.

some black parents condone corporal punishment, and some do not. its just the facts.

Thanks for explaining

I had never heard about that boy , that's very sad

I had been trying to get information on this for quite a while tonight , just to be sure i wasn't making any false assumptions and i found this article that supports what you said

http://findarticles.com/p..._13437203/

[Edited 11/4/11 17:47pm]

I confess, I haven't read this whole thread.....but I have to say

That is a grown man beating the crap out of a teen for his own pleasure with the biggest leather belt he could find. He whipped her, and I have no doubt that he split her skin. This was not discipline...this was revenge. This was a beating for sure. He was getting off on it. Why didn't he just take her damn computer instead of beating her? And after all she had endured, the mom came in behind him and got a lick in too? This poor child has nobody that is compassionate towards her. My 14 year old daughter ran up a big bill on a cell phone. I wanted to strangle her but instead, I asked her if she lost her damn mind, (it was over $400--it is normally $60/month), made her do extra chores and took her phone for 3 months. (And believe me...she thought she was absolutely gonna die and complained every day about not having a phone. She was beyond grateful when her phone was returned and even then...all texting and downloading abilities were nonexistent...she was just grateful to have a phone)

Thank GOD he used a belt. Imagine if he had done all of that with his hand....he would have broken far more than her skin. He is a hypocritcal psycho, and all of the judgements he rendered should be carefully scrutinized as he clearly wasn't fit to judge other families.

DexMSR said:

I got the belt. My brother got the belt. And my child will surely get the belt if necessary.

Mom and Dad mixed as much love as they did fear in us and we turned out fine. If you did something that required such punishment, then so be it.

Far too many parents have lost complete control over their chilldren because they won't spank their children. I have seen it first hand how parents become enablers to their childrens off behavior only to become tired, angry, frustrated and depressed at how their child has turned out.

If you instill solid values and they then decide that value system means nothing to them, then they should be punished accordingly.

And Yes...corporal punishment should be back in schools as well. Child services my ass!!! I wish one of them would knock on my door and tell me how to raise my child while prisons are FULL of those that didn't have any parental controls!

And let my child make a "threat" to call child services...I will drop them off at the juvenile detention center MYSELF!!

Holla!

Dex!!!! <3

StillGotIt said:

DexMSR said:

I got the belt. My brother got the belt. And my child will surely get the belt if necessary.

Mom and Dad mixed as much love as they did fear in us and we turned out fine. If you did something that required such punishment, then so be it.

Far too many parents have lost complete control over their chilldren because they won't spank their children. I have seen it first hand how parents become enablers to their childrens off behavior only to become tired, angry, frustrated and depressed at how their child has turned out.

If you instill solid values and they then decide that value system means nothing to them, then they should be punished accordingly.

And Yes...corporal punishment should be back in schools as well. Child services my ass!!! I wish one of them would knock on my door and tell me how to raise my child while prisons are FULL of those that didn't have any parental controls!

And let my child make a "threat" to call child services...I will drop them off at the juvenile detention center MYSELF!!

Holla!

Dex!!!! <3

I showed my mom this video and she said if that was me, she would have embarassed me so badly by making me call the companies in front of her and tell them I'm stealing their games and music. She said she would rather embarass me so bad and report me, make me pay for it and learn the hard way because I wouldn't do it again after all the embarassment lol.

free2bfreeda said:

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

no shots coming from from me. personally i think corporal punishment is not good and should only be used if the parent's very young child runs into the street, or puts him/her self in harms way, then it should only be a few swats and a loud verbal scolding. that works just as well as repeated blows from a strap or whatever.

beating and whooping results from the trekkle down theory of slavery that corporal punishment has been practiced and accepted by many black parents. pre-and post slavery children got beat, whooped, spanked, punished with many body harming items to protect them from the fears of their parents living in racially violent and un-predictable areas of this country. they felt they had to keep their children in line at all cost. many overt and subliminal fears has forced many black parents to not "spare the rod."

historically black kids that were too proud, outspoken or curious in their everyday lives could end up at the raw end of life and at the hands of an angry (non-black) mob. remember 14yr old emmett till, he got brutally murdered for alledgedly whistling at a white woman? "before his departure for the delta, till's mother cautioned him that chicago and mississippi were two different worlds and he should know how to behave in front of whites in the south." behavior was the word. many black parents were strict and used (sometimes) harsh corporal punishment to keep their kids corraled and away from death's racist doors.

some black parents condone corporal punishment, and some do not. its just the facts.

PREACH! That is exactly how I feel about the spanking that goes on among AAs. I did spank my children when they were very young just so they wouldn't do dangerous shit to themselves or each other--like run in the street, play with knives and electrical outlets etc. But after the age of about 5....spankings were pretty much non existent. I had the power of "the look" and it was very effective.

After a certain stage, there are all kinds of ways to get your message accross. Teens are going to annoy the hell out of you, and you have to help them to self-motivate. They HATE my creative discipline....my son used to ask for spankings so that it will be over in 2 minutes--and I would just tell him that he's out of luck because I'm going to be laughing at him.

One of my favorites.....mom...why is the power off in my room? Believe me, after the inconvenience of that for a whole weekend, he didn't stay on his playstation for longer than he had permission. And I was poking fun at him, talking about how I was enjoying reading in bed at night etc (he loves to read at night). My daughter kept leaving all of the upstairs lights and the AC on when she wasn't home. So she returned one day and discovered that I had taken the AC out of her bedroom window, and left her with a fan. Her 6 ceiling lightbulbs were removed and replaced with a single sad $6 lamp. I tell them that my job is to clothe you, feed you and love you. If you disrespect me and what I do for you, you won't get the extras.

Once, as a 6th grader my son brought home a report card that made me think he had lost his damn mind. I gave him the lecture (his dad wanted to spank him) but instead the next school day he came home and found all of his everyday clothes gone (I put them away in the basement). He had to wear his Sunday suits to school to show respect for the education I was paying for. I told him that if he didn't bring the grades up, he would never see his sneakers and jeans again. (ROFL...that boy was pissed, but he did what he needed to do). My daughter was like....NO WAY is that going to happen to me.

They are now teens. I told them, hey, if you want to screw around, I'm not gonna make myself get gray hairs. I'm just going to amuse myself. As a result, they do very little to push buttons.

I am also known to disable Wi-Fi for long periods of time since the outlet is in my home office.

When I discipline, sometimes its funny as hell. Sometimes I allow them to choose between undesirable things. Its NEVER an easy choice either....

They laugh at each other and say things to each other like "Wow...your stupid, I'm never gonna do what you did. That looks like it sucks. "

Yea...my kids are gonna end up telling stories about me online....but we are pretty happy and they dont mess with me.

Set the tone while they are young....

StillGotIt said:

free2bfreeda said:

no shots coming from from me. personally i think corporal punishment is not good and should only be used if the parent's very young child runs into the street, or puts him/her self in harms way, then it should only be a few swats and a loud verbal scolding. that works just as well as repeated blows from a strap or whatever.

beating and whooping results from the trekkle down theory of slavery that corporal punishment has been practiced and accepted by many black parents. pre-and post slavery children got beat, whooped, spanked, punished with many body harming items to protect them from the fears of their parents living in racially violent and un-predictable areas of this country. they felt they had to keep their children in line at all cost. many overt and subliminal fears has forced many black parents to not "spare the rod."

historically black kids that were too proud, outspoken or curious in their everyday lives could end up at the raw end of life and at the hands of an angry (non-black) mob. remember 14yr old emmett till, he got brutally murdered for alledgedly whistling at a white woman? "before his departure for the delta, till's mother cautioned him that chicago and mississippi were two different worlds and he should know how to behave in front of whites in the south." behavior was the word. many black parents were strict and used (sometimes) harsh corporal punishment to keep their kids corraled and away from death's racist doors.

some black parents condone corporal punishment, and some do not. its just the facts.

PREACH! That is exactly how I feel about the spanking that goes on among AAs. I did spank my children when they were very young just so they wouldn't do dangerous shit to themselves or each other--like run in the street, play with knives and electrical outlets etc. But after the age of about 5....spankings were pretty much non existent. I had the power of "the look" and it was very effective.

After a certain stage, there are all kinds of ways to get your message accross. Teens are going to annoy the hell out of you, and you have to help them to self-motivate. They HATE my creative discipline....my son used to ask for spankings so that it will be over in 2 minutes--and I would just tell him that he's out of luck because I'm going to be laughing at him.

One of my favorites.....mom...why is the power off in my room? Believe me, after the inconvenience of that for a whole weekend, he didn't stay on his playstation for longer than he had permission. And I was poking fun at him, talking about how I was enjoying reading in bed at night etc (he loves to read at night). My daughter kept leaving all of the upstairs lights and the AC on when she wasn't home. So she returned one day and discovered that I had taken the AC out of her bedroom window, and left her with a fan. Her 6 ceiling lightbulbs were removed and replaced with a single sad $6 lamp. I tell them that my job is to clothe you, feed you and love you. If you disrespect me and what I do for you, you won't get the extras.

Once, as a 6th grader my son brought home a report card that made me think he had lost his damn mind. I gave him the lecture (his dad wanted to spank him) but instead the next school day he came home and found all of his everyday clothes gone (I put them away in the basement). He had to wear his Sunday suits to school to show respect for the education I was paying for. I told him that if he didn't bring the grades up, he would never see his sneakers and jeans again. (ROFL...that boy was pissed, but he did what he needed to do). My daughter was like....NO WAY is that going to happen to me.

They are now teens. I told them, hey, if you want to screw around, I'm not gonna make myself get gray hairs. I'm just going to amuse myself. As a result, they do very little to push buttons.

I am also known to disable Wi-Fi for long periods of time since the outlet is in my home office.

When I discipline, sometimes its funny as hell. Sometimes I allow them to choose between undesirable things. Its NEVER an easy choice either....

They laugh at each other and say things to each other like "Wow...your stupid, I'm never gonna do what you did. That looks like it sucks. "

Yea...my kids are gonna end up telling stories about me online....but we are pretty happy and they dont mess with me.

Set the tone while they are young....

As a child, my mother told me I had an habit of wandering off when her back was turned. I also had a habit of playing with matches. My mother gave me one good spanking, set fire to my behind (not literal ) because I set the garbage can on fire. I really deserve that one because that habit was an endangerment to myself and others. We could have been homeless, and lives could have been lost, along with my other neighbors. Had she not correct me, I think I would have been an arsonist

Dewrede said:

HotGritz said:

Um....the Thanksgiving holiday has absolutely nothing to do with disciplining your children nor does it have anything to do with being pious. Most people discipline their children according to how they themselves were disciplined. You either follow in your parents' footsteps or you don't. Some forms of child rearing are cultural in nature. I've noticed people from the southern most part of the US are more likely to spank than northerners.

That's nice that you love your children and don't condone spanking and "juvenile detention" as you put it but if your kids grow up and start acting like monsters, don't say we didn't warn you.

Not trying to offend anyone but

reading this thread it appears as if corporal punishment for children is more accepted and practiced by blacks than whites , rather than it having to do with region

Not true. I'm strongly convince that the techniques of disciplining child does vary among the differ regions.

The South is a little old-fashioned about it. When a child is unruly, the responsible parent put that child in his/her place with an open hand, a belt, a peddle, or a switch. That's it. End of story.

angel345 said:

StillGotIt said:

PREACH! That is exactly how I feel about the spanking that goes on among AAs. I did spank my children when they were very young just so they wouldn't do dangerous shit to themselves or each other--like run in the street, play with knives and electrical outlets etc. But after the age of about 5....spankings were pretty much non existent. I had the power of "the look" and it was very effective.

After a certain stage, there are all kinds of ways to get your message accross. Teens are going to annoy the hell out of you, and you have to help them to self-motivate. They HATE my creative discipline....my son used to ask for spankings so that it will be over in 2 minutes--and I would just tell him that he's out of luck because I'm going to be laughing at him.

One of my favorites.....mom...why is the power off in my room? Believe me, after the inconvenience of that for a whole weekend, he didn't stay on his playstation for longer than he had permission. And I was poking fun at him, talking about how I was enjoying reading in bed at night etc (he loves to read at night). My daughter kept leaving all of the upstairs lights and the AC on when she wasn't home. So she returned one day and discovered that I had taken the AC out of her bedroom window, and left her with a fan. Her 6 ceiling lightbulbs were removed and replaced with a single sad $6 lamp. I tell them that my job is to clothe you, feed you and love you. If you disrespect me and what I do for you, you won't get the extras.

Once, as a 6th grader my son brought home a report card that made me think he had lost his damn mind. I gave him the lecture (his dad wanted to spank him) but instead the next school day he came home and found all of his everyday clothes gone (I put them away in the basement). He had to wear his Sunday suits to school to show respect for the education I was paying for. I told him that if he didn't bring the grades up, he would never see his sneakers and jeans again. (ROFL...that boy was pissed, but he did what he needed to do). My daughter was like....NO WAY is that going to happen to me.

They are now teens. I told them, hey, if you want to screw around, I'm not gonna make myself get gray hairs. I'm just going to amuse myself. As a result, they do very little to push buttons.

I am also known to disable Wi-Fi for long periods of time since the outlet is in my home office.

When I discipline, sometimes its funny as hell. Sometimes I allow them to choose between undesirable things. Its NEVER an easy choice either....

They laugh at each other and say things to each other like "Wow...your stupid, I'm never gonna do what you did. That looks like it sucks. "

Yea...my kids are gonna end up telling stories about me online....but we are pretty happy and they dont mess with me.

Set the tone while they are young....

As a child, my mother told me I had an habit of wandering off when her back was turned. I also had a habit of playing with matches. My mother gave me one good spanking, set fire to my behind (not literal ) because I set the garbage can on fire. I really deserve that one because that habit was an endangerment to myself and others. We could have been homeless, and lives could have been lost, along with my other neighbors. Had she not correct me, I think I would have been an arsonist

Yea...potentially burning down the house....definitely worth a spanking. you dont get a second chance for that. One of my siblings did burn us out of a home doing dumb shit with a candle.

HotGritz said:

We should make the distinction between a parent whooping their child and corporal punishment as an institution.

Here's some light reading

http://www.localhistories...poral.html

A BRIEF HISTORY OF CORPORAL PUNISHMENT

By Tim Lambert

Corporal punishment is derived from a Latin word meaning body. It meant physical punishment and in the past it was very common. In the past corporal punishment was by no means limited to children. It was used on adults as well.

Flogging has been a common punishment since ancient times. Jesus was flogged before he was crucified. In England from the Middle Ages whipping was a common punishment for minor crimes. In the 18th century whipping or flogging was a common punishment in the British army and navy. However it was abolished in 1881.

Among commonly used forms of corporal punishment was birching. This punishment meant beating a person across the backside with birch twigs. Once a common punishment in schools it could also be imposed by the courts for minor offences. Birching civilians was banned in Britain in 1948 (except in prisons where it was used until 1962).

Meanwhile for thousands of years until the late 20th century teachers beat children. In The Ancient World the teachers were strict and often beat the pupils.

In the Middle Ages discipline was also severe. Boys were beaten with rods or birch twigs. Punishments in Tudor schools were still harsh. The teacher often had a stick with birch twigs attached to it. Boys were hit with the birch twigs on their bare buttocks.

Until the late 20th century teachers hit children. In the 19th century hitting boys and girls with a bamboo cane became popular. In the 20th century the cane was used in both primary and secondary schools.

Meanwhile the ruler was a punishment commonly used in primary schools in the 20th century. The teacher hit the child on the hand with a wooden ruler.

The slipper was often used in secondary schools. Slipper is a euphemism. Normally it was a trainer or a plimsoll. Teachers (usually PE teachers) used a trainer to hit children on the backside.

The tawse was a punishment used in Scottish schools. It was a leather strap with two or three tails. It was used in Scotland to hit a child's hand. Meanwhile in the 20th century the leather strap was used in some English schools. Children were either hit across the hands or the backside.

Furthermore in the 19th century children were hit at work. In the early 19th century in textile mills children who were lazy were hit with leather straps. Furthermore lazy children sometimes had their heads ducked in a container of water.

However in the late 1960s and early 1970s the cane was phased out in most primary schools. In England in 1987 the cane was banned in state-funded secondary schools. It was banned in private schools in 1999.

Throughout history until very recently parents hit their children. However in the late 20th century public opinion turned against corporal punishment and in several countries it has been banned.

I wonder if these dates line up with the rise in juvenile crimes.

Dewrede said:

I had been trying to get information on this for quite a while tonight , just to be sure i wasn't making any false assumptions and i found this article that supports what you said

http://findarticles.com/p..._13437203/

thanks for posting the link to the article. i found the reading quite interesting.

[Edited 11/4/11 22:09pm]

HotGritz said:

There are some great comments in here and I respect everyone's views but um....have y'all seen this chick's recent interviews and the statements from her papi?

He was supporting her deadbeat ass. Sorry but the whole family is dysfunctional and I can't put the blame solely on the father. From his statements, his in car interview, and her appearances on the Today Show and Anderson Cooper....this heffa needed a butt whoopin! She doesn't want to go to school, she really doesn't want to work, she had her dad AND her boyfriend supporting her and on top of that she's a liar and a thief. And fuck me but that woman does not look or sound like she has Cerebral Palsy and to my knowledge CP doesn't just magically go away. Plus there is something about her face that screams DECEIT!

Of course she's a fucking bitch, but this is about what her father did. It just doubles all the stupidity that's already there, if you act out of anger.

TonyVanDam said:

InternationalLover82 said:

This is soooooooo messed up. Why would you wanna hit your kid?? That's not gonna make them respect you. They'll be scared of you

Well which is worse?

1. A child respecting the parents out of fear.

OR

2. A child disrespecting the parents out of unruliness AND dishonor.

Parents who can't earn respect from their child other than by scaring it.

DexMSR said:

I got the belt. My brother got the belt. And my child will surely get the belt if necessary.

Mom and Dad mixed as much love as they did fear in us and we turned out fine. If you did something that required such punishment, then so be it.

Far too many parents have lost complete control over their chilldren because they won't spank their children. I have seen it first hand how parents become enablers to their childrens off behavior only to become tired, angry, frustrated and depressed at how their child has turned out.

If you instill solid values and they then decide that value system means nothing to them, then they should be punished accordingly.

And Yes...corporal punishment should be back in schools as well. Child services my ass!!! I wish one of them would knock on my door and tell me how to raise my child while prisons are FULL of those that didn't have any parental controls!

And let my child make a "threat" to call child services...I will drop them off at the juvenile detention center MYSELF!!

Holla!

What an absolutely disgrace

There's nothing wrong with being a strict parents, having strict rules and expecting your child to obey them (and punishing them if they don't).

But there's a lot of things wrong with enforcing your laws by hurting someone physically, or by earning respect because someone fears you. That's pathetic, horrible, disgusting and simply not what I imagine a truly loving father/mother being able to do.

There have to be other ways. If you can't find them, you're not fit to have children, in my opinion.

Dewrede said:

^

It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

Its more of an "Old school vs. New school" thing really.

Many homes in where the parents were raised up with certain traditions and ideals... they may spank the kids.

Rich/poor, black/white, whitecollar/bluecollar.... people spank or do not spank due to ideals they have about child rearing.

Dave1992 said:

There's nothing wrong with being a strict parents, having strict rules and expecting your child to obey them (and punishing them if they don't).

But there's a lot of things wrong with enforcing your laws by hurting someone physically, or by earning respect because someone fears you. That's pathetic, horrible, disgusting and simply not what I imagine a truly loving father/mother being able to do.

There have to be other ways. If you can't find them, you're not fit to have children, in my opinion.

To me it depends on the child.. some kids NEVER need to be spanked at all. They just tend to stay out of trouble and they listen to adults when things are explained to them. They will not harm others or do anything to harm themselves.

Then there will be a child that you can try to reason with until you are blue in the face and they will put themself in harm's way or harm other kids. Bite, kick, punch their way if they hear a "no" or are restricted in any way for their own good. With a child like that... spanking may work when all other methods fail.

And most kids are spanked young when they don't understand what "danger" means and tend to be too curious. Most parents do what ever they can to keep their children safe from enviormental dangers.

paintedlady said:

Dewrede said:

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It seems the majority of the people who agree with corporal punishment that posted on this thread are black

Don't shoot me

[Edited 11/4/11 16:26pm]

Its more of an "Old school vs. New school" thing really.

Many homes in where the parents were raised up with certain traditions and ideals... they may spank the kids.

Rich/poor, black/white, whitecollar/bluecollar.... people spank or do not spank due to ideals they have about child rearing.

I agree.

Also, IMO it's usually more about economics than anything else.

When you have a wealthy household, with the nannies and the tutors and the psychologists and the therapists and the private schools...you're more likely to not only have "calm" kids, but to be able to "dismiss" any unrulyness. I am NOT saying that poor kids are unruly. What I am saying is that generally weathier households raise their kids in a "hygenic" environment (if that word is appropriate here) and are more likely to have "Stepford" kids.

OF COURSE that's not always the case. Kids are born with certain predispositions, regardless of economic situations, and you could have naturally calm kids or naturally unruly kids either way.

Add to that the environment. Anyone who's ever experienced education at a private (Catholic for example) school and a low-income public school can relate to the incredible difference & inequity. I went from the former to the latter in 8th/9th grade and I couldn't believe the difference. Once you get kids acting a "certain way"...time outs and "think about what you are doing" speeches are useless.

Also, when I said "dismiss" I meant that if a rich kid breaks a window, fails school, steals a car or gets caught smoking crack...which happens more than anyone would care to admit...the wealthier household can absorb the impact of that by "paying off" people (homeowner, tutors, bail, lawyers, etc.). Whereas poor kids are S.O.L. and would just wind up in jail...so parents are harsher if they give a shit and use the rod.