It would be a laptop and I insist on an "Antiglare" display, so - as I understand it - that would limit my choices to 15-inch-or-greater MacBook Pro's?

I owned a Mac a long-ass time ago, so my experience with that desktop is really useless.

Aside from aesthetics and less worries about malware, why should I buy one of these over a Windows machine?

Alternatively, Windows-people, feel free to chime in and tell me why I should stick with a PC.

U want something that works? Buy a mac.

Graycap23 said:

U want something that works? Buy a mac.

Succinct. But I've never had problems with my Windows machines.

They're both all right. I work on both regularly, and I don't have all that dissimilar an experience.

Because of the way I work, I have certain "ticks" (or whatever you want to call them) that define how fast and efficiently I work. For example, I use alt+tab to switch windows constantly. On a Mac, you can't do that as well--you can only alt+tab through programs, not individual windows. So that's annoying.

Because of very minor, little things like that--plus the very major issue of pricing--I like PCs better still. I would have no reservations about buying a Mac, though.

Ace said:

Graycap23 said:

U want something that works? Buy a mac.

Succinct. But I've never had problems with my Windows machines.

Windows with the constant updates and virus nonsense drives me crazy. I use both, buy clearly prefer the Mac in every single way.

Graycap23 said:

Windows with the constant updates and virus nonsense drives me crazy.

That does suck.

Ace said:

Graycap23 said:

Windows with the constant updates and virus nonsense drives me crazy.

That does suck.

That is true, but isn't it just a matter of time before Macs have to deal with viruses in the same way? Or am I missing something?

Efan said:

Ace said:

That does suck.

That is true, but isn't it just a matter of time before Macs have to deal with viruses in the same way? Or am I missing something?

I have not seen anything near a virus on any of my mac's in 18 years.

Graycap23 said:

Efan said:

That is true, but isn't it just a matter of time before Macs have to deal with viruses in the same way? Or am I missing something?

I have not seen anything near a virus on any of my mac's in 18 years.

But isn't that just because no one has decided to unleash one? (I'm sure people have tried to unleash minor ones that didn't "take," but even so, isn't it just a matter of time before someone really does one?)

Efan said:

Graycap23 said:

I have not seen anything near a virus on any of my mac's in 18 years.

But isn't that just because no one has decided to unleash one? (I'm sure people have tried to unleash minor ones that didn't "take," but even so, isn't it just a matter of time before someone really does one?)

I failed 2 see what that has 2 do with it's reliability.

Get a PC, there's no difference in quality between OSX and Windows 7, and you'll get way more for your money. You can turn updates off, and with Microsoft Security Essentials installed (which is free), you don't need to worry about viruses.

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Militant said:

Get a PC, there's no difference in quality between OSX and Windows 7, and you'll get way more for your money. You can turn updates off, and with Microsoft Security Essentials installed (which is free), you don't need to worry about viruses.

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Thanks. I'm already using MSE.

Whatever you do do not get a dell if you do get insurance, cheep components and break down a lot. We have three all purchased from different places and we have had numerous problems. Saying that the next day in home repair service is good.

Never had problems with Macbook pro or sony, I am seriously thinking about getting a mac for myself

Efan said:

Graycap23 said:

I have not seen anything near a virus on any of my mac's in 18 years.

But isn't that just because no one has decided to unleash one? (I'm sure people have tried to unleash minor ones that didn't "take," but even so, isn't it just a matter of time before someone really does one?)

If I wanted to let a virus loose, why would I target macs when most people have PCs and I could do more damage with a PC virus?

If you buy a Mac, you should know that at least 35 percent of the cost is for the very productive and always trustworthy iCool-Factor™ that comes from having a machine that people associates to other people who are actually creative.

No, I'd say, if you ain't using it for images, films or music - don't bother. You get a much more powerfull pc for the same money. And if you do use it for those sort of thing, well, you still get a more powerfull machine with a pc these days. PLus Adobe, Sony Vegas 10 ect. works well with a pc.

Admitted: I hate Mac. Or more precisely, I hate those people around me that use Mac as a sort of "Hey, look I'm like so like totally like creative like a total artist even though I'm a talentless hack like". So I'm not to be trusted with an opinion on Mac.

sextonseven said:

Efan said:

But isn't that just because no one has decided to unleash one? (I'm sure people have tried to unleash minor ones that didn't "take," but even so, isn't it just a matter of time before someone really does one?)

If I wanted to let a virus loose, why would I target macs when most people have PCs and I could do more damage with a PC virus?

Exactly. But if more people buy Macs, doesn't that make them a more desirable target?

I have a Mac at home because I use a Mac at work (in the creative department of a large corporation).

Macs are a piece of cake. Every time I am forced to use a PC, I can't figure out what to do with it.

Efan said:

sextonseven said:

If I wanted to let a virus loose, why would I target macs when most people have PCs and I could do more damage with a PC virus?

Exactly. But if more people buy Macs, doesn't that make them a more desirable target?

PCs are so far ahead of macs in terms of market share that even with the increased sales macs have had recently, it's still incredibly one-sided.

I'm an IT guy from way back (!992). I've worked on mainframes, servers, PCs, hardware, software, you-name-it.

I've always owned PCs, and I used to always build my own computers (you used to save quite a bundle building them yourself).

I bought my first mac 4 years ago, and within 2 years, just completely stopped using PCs unless I have to.

I just upgraded to OS-X Lion, and I have to say I love it already. The multi-touch gestures are awesome, and swiping between applications or to get to my "mission control" screen is a cinch. It's completely intuitive and after just one hour of using these features, I don't want to go back.

You'll get spirited criticisms from the other side--just as you'll get praise from the mac side.

But if you've owneda mac in the last 5 or 6 years, (since going intel), chances are you love your mac. I rarely see mac users unhappy about their macs. Actually, in real life, I've NEVER

met a mac user unhappy about their mac. The only complaint I ever hear was from an owner

of a mac that he owned 11 years ago.

Look, I don't hate PCs. PCs are fine. But I love my mac. With mission control, I can get

to every concievable app, file, service, or feature with one three-finger swipe upwards from any

application in any screen. It's brilliant.

Oh, and I finally had a chance to play with Windows 7. If OS-X Lion was Nancy Carrigon, then Windows 7 is Tonya Harding. One is a uppity snobby bitch, but the other is....well, fucking Tonya Harding.

Get a mac

Do whatever you want with your slutty self.

* No Malware

* You'll look cool and draw a better calibre of woman

* Very user friendly

* Outrageously good customer service at the Apple Store

* Very extensive coverage under the factory and extended warrantees

* A huge selection of ready and compatible peripherals

* If you must run Windows, some Mac setups will run Windows Parallels as quick or quicker than some PCs

* Lammastide's family has 4, and he's cool.... And you do wanna be like him, don't you!?!?

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I've had both. My macs have always seemed to be more stable and maintinance free. I wasn't always upgrading malsware/spyware/virus crap. and I've been to some filthy places boy....lemme tell ya. I haven't used windows in like a year or summin...no clue what windows 7 is like at all.

only reason I would go to PC is for gaming....and most pc games ain't my thang...so meh

Lammastide said:

* No Malware

* You'll look cool and draw a better calibre of woman

* Very user friendly

* Outrageously good customer service at the Apple Store

* Very extensive coverage under the factory and extended warrantees

* A ready selection of compatible peripherals

* If you must run Windows, some Mac setups will run Windows Parallels as quick or quicker than some PCs

* Lammastide's family has 4... and he's cool

Truth!

On Saturday, I took my old iBook (circa 2004) to the Apple store in the mall to find out how to wipe it. (I'm donating it to a charity.) Alex at the Genius Bar said, "Why not just let us do it?" I asked if there was a charge to do that and he said, "Nope - unless you count your time for the half hour or so it'll take. We have a server we plug it into that does it automatically. Leave it here, browse the store - or head out into the mall - and we'll call you when it's done." I expressed my surprise (and happiness) that it was a free service and he said, "That's why you buy a Mac. "

Genesia said:

Lammastide said:

* No Malware

* You'll look cool and draw a better calibre of woman

* Very user friendly

* Outrageously good customer service at the Apple Store

* Very extensive coverage under the factory and extended warrantees

* A ready selection of compatible peripherals

* If you must run Windows, some Mac setups will run Windows Parallels as quick or quicker than some PCs

* Lammastide's family has 4... and he's cool

Truth!

On Saturday, I took my old iBook (circa 2004) to the Apple store in the mall to find out how to wipe it. (I'm donating it to a charity.) Alex at the Genius Bar said, "Why not just let us do it?" I asked if there was a charge to do that and he said, "Nope - unless you count your time for the half hour or so it'll take. We have a server we plug it into that does it automatically. Leave it here, browse the store - or head out into the mall - and we'll call you when it's done." I expressed my surprise (and happiness) that it was a free service and he said, "That's why you buy a Mac. "

:nod :nod

My pops has an imac...arnd 2004 or 5 or summin....4 years after we bought it....it started to just shut off on it's own. Eventually it wouldn't turn back on.

Brought it to the genius bar or repair counter or something. He cracked it open right there in fron of me....this is November mind you...the store was fuckin PACKED...brand new apple store in Posh posh Rancho Cucamonga CA...PACKED...anyways...opened computer up right there and started looking at it....checke dthe hard drive/power source....changed the power source with a tester...didn't work....cracked open the motherboard...right there, infront of me....the capacators were swollen and bad....asked if I had Mac insurance plan or summin...NOPE...said hold on...went to the back, came back in 2 mins and said it's be like $800 repair.... :jawdrop: ...I ain't got that bro...I knew my dad had it, but wouldn't break with it. I put up a small protest and negotiation...this is where I think the store being crowded came to my aid. I kept trying to find was to put a rapair on them. The crowd help it to work....applid apple insurance credit to it...replaced the motherboard or whatever it was for free...no $800 AT ALL. I was merely hoping for a discount.

and that my friend is the BEST repair experience i've had with ANY company.

Genesia said:

Lammastide said:

[...]

* Outrageously good customer service at the Apple Store

[..]

Truth!

On Saturday, I took my old iBook (circa 2004) to the Apple store in the mall to find out how to wipe it. (I'm donating it to a charity.) Alex at the Genius Bar said, "Why not just let us do it?" I asked if there was a charge to do that and he said, "Nope - unless you count your time for the half hour or so it'll take. We have a server we plug it into that does it automatically. Leave it here, browse the store - or head out into the mall - and we'll call you when it's done." I expressed my surprise (and happiness) that it was a free service and he said, "That's why you buy a Mac. "

Hm. This does make me consider it. BAD service is a pet peeve of mine. Especially with expensive things.

sextonseven said:

Efan said:

Exactly. But if more people buy Macs, doesn't that make them a more desirable target?

PCs are so far ahead of macs in terms of market share that even with the increased sales macs have had recently, it's still incredibly one-sided.

That should tell u something.

Ace said:

It would be a laptop and I insist on an "Antiglare" display, so - as I understand it - that would limit my choices to 15-inch-or-greater MacBook Pro's?

I owned a Mac a long-ass time ago, so my experience with that desktop is really useless.

Aside from aesthetics and less worries about malware, why should I buy one of these over a Windows machine?

Alternatively, Windows-people, feel free to chime in and tell me why I should stick with a PC.

PCs are just fine. It's OS like Windows Vista & 7 that are the real problems.

Why not just leave the Microsoft Plantation like I did and make the switch to Linux? There are plenty of Linux Distros (Ubuntu, Debian, Linux Mint, etc.) to choose from. If you want some very user-friendly, try Linux Mint first.

Efan said:

Ace said:

That does suck.

That is true, but isn't it just a matter of time before Macs have to deal with viruses in the same way? Or am I missing something?

I have heard Macs can get viruses, they are just not targeted because the market is still so much smaller

I have never had a virus on a PC anyway, virus protection or not

Graycap23 said:

Ace said:

Succinct. But I've never had problems with my Windows machines.

Windows with the constant updates and virus nonsense drives me crazy. I use both, buy clearly prefer the Mac in every single way.

I don't know, my mac constantly needs updates too, or at least it keeps asking for them. For iTunes, Safari, etc. Plus others like Office don't care if you are using Mac or PC, they will bug you every week.

And last but not least, lots of programs won't work on macs without having at least 10.4.6 or whatever number they are on this week.