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Reply #240 posted 07/06/11 9:30pm

Serena

smoothcriminal12 said:

She should write a book called "If I Did It" about how she would go about murdering her daughter if she was going to do it. Bestseller.

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She's quite the storyteller too! She never took care of that baby from the time she was born. The parents of Jessie Grund (who she first tried to pin paternity on until his parent made them do a test) cared for the baby during the day while she supposedly went to work (lie, no job). Then they got tired of her leeching off them, so then she came up with the 'it's ok, I have a nanny' bit. She then got a girlfriend to babysit, until after 8 months when the friend found out she'd been lying the whole time and never really worked. On and on and on...she is a good liar!

Geez, at the start of the investigation, she even took the cops onto the Universal lot saying she was taking them to her office, walked down a hall, then turned around and said 'ok, I don't really work here'... nuts

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Reply #241 posted 07/06/11 9:31pm

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Serena said:

Muse2NoPharaoh said:

One anatomy class with cadavers present, in different states of decomposition which all nursing universities have, would stay with any nurse. Just like the scent of roadkill is instantly a recognizable scent. Its not very different then human decomposition and horrific in every way.

Thank you. She even testified that she knew what it smelled like.

Obviously something I didn't know, hence the skepticism.

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Reply #242 posted 07/06/11 9:32pm

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SUPRMAN said:

In both cases, we don't what either of them actually did.

I'm more sure that Casey killed her daughter than OJ killed anyone.

I think they both know who did it though.

Ok, now that I read this, I'm done trying to talk to you. OJ even confessed in his book, but you still don't believe him?!? lol

Really?

So if I Google "OJ's Confession," I'll get it word for word?

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Reply #243 posted 07/06/11 9:34pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Her attorney cannot be there for justice for a murdered baby girl. The murdered baby girl is not his client. He did his sworn duty and obligation for his client. That's his job.

It doesn't matter if he had a secondary agenda, as long as it didn't interfere with his duty which was to defend his client and keep her from being executed. He succeeded admirably with a lot of help from the prosecution.

HotGritz, you're correct about Baez only taking this case for his own ego, his is the scummiest of the scum. Geraldo hangs out with him, that should tell you everything...well besides the fact that the Florida Bar would not admit him for 7 years because of the crappy way he runs his life. Unpaid child support, bankruptcy, foreclosures, etc.. Once he finally was admitted, he's had numerous complaints filed against him, one from the first judge in this case. Judge Perry also said during the trial that he would be finding him in Contempt once the trial was over, hopefully, he'll follow through on that.

SUPRman, how much of the trial did you watch? Baez was anything but admirable, the whole time the Judge had to teach him how to be an Attorney and present evidence. He got away with so much crap because they didn't want to leave any room for appeal (even the Judge KNOWS there was enough evidence to prove her guilty, as did the Grand Jury.) He played sleezy games all throughout the trial.

Here's the topper: not sure how long ago this was, but he and Casey got in trouble by the Sheriff's office for sharing a piece of licorice 'Lady and the Tramp' style while in a 'conference'. She hung out with him while she was out on bail, helping in his office, holding hands, etc..

I stuck to weekend updates on Headline News.

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Reply #244 posted 07/06/11 10:06pm

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There was one bit of testimony which I thought wasn't given enough attention;

Casey said she last saw Caylee on June 16th, when she gave her to the babysitter. A few days later, the next door neighbor sees her BACK her car into the garage two days in a row, which they'd never seen her do before. Then she went over and borrowed a shovel but returned it within an hour (she figured out it was going to be too hard to bury that baby in the back yard like they did all their pets). Now, stored in that garage that she backed into (what 22yr(?) old girl BACKS their car into a garage anyway? most women HATE to park backwards...lol) was the laundry bag that Caylee was found in, the garbage bags and the duct tape.

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Reply #245 posted 07/06/11 10:13pm

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One thing I don't get is that the defence alleges that Anthony drowned... what happened after she drowned? Did they attempt to explain that at all?

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Reply #246 posted 07/06/11 10:21pm

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^After Caylee drowned her grandfather helped cover up the death by bagging and tagging and duct taping the body and dumping it. Allegedly.

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Reply #247 posted 07/06/11 10:22pm

Serena

RKJCNE said:

One thing I don't get is that the defence alleges that Anthony drowned... what happened after she drowned? Did they attempt to explain that at all?

That is part of the problem with their defense, the *only* person who said anything about drowning in court was Jose Baez and what he says is NOT evidence or testimony and the jury is NOT to consider it that way. They presented NO evidence of drowning, abuse by her father or brother, really nothing at all to back up their 'defense theory'. (there is an interesting sidebar transcript where the Judge is trying to understand just what their theory was since it kept changing and it affects what can be admitted)

btw...when the cops were first questioning her at the Universal lot, they asked her if there had maybe been an accident, drowning or anything else. She said NO.

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Reply #248 posted 07/06/11 10:41pm

Serena

This was on Casey's computer, last folder save date of July 8th 2008:

[img:$uid]http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/kill-bear.png[/img:$uid]

There's also these photos:

[img:$uid]http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/caylee-bear1.png[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/caylee-crying.png[/img:$uid]

I hate that last picture, who takes a picture of their child in such distress?

And if you want some light reading, here is a timeline including Discovery, Evidence and trial activities. It's very interesting, begins in Dec '07 and current thru 7/2/11.

http://www.thehinkymeter....discovery/

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Reply #249 posted 07/06/11 11:44pm

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Serena said:

TonyVanDam said:

According to THIS follow-up report, there were not any "tons" of solid evidences to begin with, hence why the D.A. office lost big time:

http://news.yahoo.com/anthony-trial-lack-evidence-good-defense-000636253.html

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Prosecutors proved Casey Anthony was a liar, but convinced the jury of little else.

The government failed to establish how 2-year-old Caylee Anthony died and they couldn't find her mother's DNA on the duct tape they said was used to suffocate her. There was conflicting testimony on whether the putrid smell inside the family's car was a decomposing body or simply trash, and it was never quite clear why chloroform was so important.

The lack of evidence and the doubt raised by the defense — that Caylee accidentally drowned in the family's pool — was enough to win an acquittal. After a trial of a month and a half, the jury took less than 11 hours to find Anthony not guilty of first-degree murder, aggravated manslaughter and aggravated child abuse.

She was convicted only of four misdemeanor counts of lying to investigators who were looking into the June 2008 disappearance of Caylee. She lied about being employed at Universal Studios. She lied about leaving Caylee with a baby-sitter, then again when she recounted to investigators that she had told two imaginary people that Caylee was missing. She also lied about receiving a phone call from Caylee the day before she was reported missing.

Lead defense attorney Jose Baez was criticized by many legal pundits for his strategy and loosely throwing around allegations of molestation and incest. Baez suggested early on that Casey's father, George Anthony, helped cover up the drowning and sexually abused his daughter, accusations the father vehemently denied. Baez also claimed Casey's brother might be Caylee's father and that a meter reader who discovered the girl's remains may have moved them, more allegations that weren't substantiated.

Ultimately, though, the burden of proof wasn't on Baez.

"I don't think it was Baez' great lawyering that won the case," said Richard Rosenbaum, a Fort Lauderdale criminal defense attorney who closely followed the trial but wasn't involved in the case. "I think it goes back to the prosecution and the weaknesses in their case."

Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney for Miami and now a defense attorney, said Baez had to offer an alternative to the prosecution's theory of how Caylee was killed, though he was less impressed with the molestation accusations.

"The biggest questions were the 'how' and the 'why,'" Coffey said. "Even the state acknowledged they weren't exactly sure of how Caylee was killed. That was a candid acknowledgement, but Baez seized on that."

Orlando's chief prosecutor said his attorneys were disappointed with the verdict but they presented every piece of evidence that existed.

"This is a dry-bones case. Very, very difficult to prove," said Orange County State Attorney Lawson Lamar. "The delay in recovering little Caylee's remains worked to our considerable disadvantage."

Shortly after Lamar's news conference, one of the lead prosecutors on the case, Jeff Ashton, announced he would retire at the end of the week following 30 years as a prosecutor. A spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office said Ashton and Lamar had previously discussed his retirement.

The six-month gap between when Casey was reported missing and when her remains were found in December 2008 affected the amount of scientific evidence investigators could glean from the pieces of bones, some as small as a pebble. And prosecutors didn't have any evidence that put Casey at the scene where the remains were found.

There was also confusion on why chloroform was so important. Chloroform is a chemical compound that can be used to knock someone unconscious and also is found in human decomposition, but prosecutors never made clear exactly what its role it played in Caylee's death.

Prosecutors said Casey searched for the term "chloroform" on the family's computer, though when her mother, Cindy, took the stand late in the trial, she said she searched for it. Later, job records indicated that Cindy might have been at work when the searches were made.

Then there was the smell test. After prosecutors presented an expert witness who said that a carpet stain taken from the family's car trunk had a smell consistent with a decomposing body, the defense called the expert's former colleague who testified to the opposite.

Baez addressed his naysayers during a press conference.

"This case has brought on new challenges for all of us. Challenges in the criminal justice system, challenges in the media, and I think we should all take this as an opportunity to learn and to realize that you cannot convict someone until they have had their day in court," he said.

Yale Galanter, who has represented O.J. Simpson in a number of cases since 2000, said he was not surprised by the verdict.

"The issue is there was absolutely no evidence linking her to the death. None," said the Miami lawyer. "So what the defense did was brilliant, they brought up the drowning, they brought up the sexual molestation, and it really got the jury to focus away from the bad behavior of the mom."

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Lush reported from St. Petersburg. Associated Press writers Laura Wides-Munoz and Kelli Kennedy in Miami contributed to this report.

That's all BS and I'd believe an OJ attorney...ummm NEVER!

The Medical Examiner determined it was HOMICIDE, they don't have to prove how the homicide was committed, but she said it was duct tape. Who puts duct tape on a child that accidentally drowned? Of course there wouldn't be any DNA left, it was in a hot swamp for 6 months and would have decomposed. Quit listening to the red herrings thrown out and go examine the Discovery, Evidence, Depositions and Testimony instead of taking someone's word for it that didn't have anything to do with the case.

Like hell they don't! rolleyes If any Medical Examiner can NOT prove how any homicide is committed, then sadly, you have the results of a potential "reasonable doubts". They could not find any of Casey Anthony's DNA samples anywhere on Caylee's dead body, the car trunk, or within the wooded/swamp area. Therefore, the potential of "reasonable doubts" were there.

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Reply #250 posted 07/06/11 11:47pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Serena said:

That's all BS and I'd believe an OJ attorney...ummm NEVER!

The Medical Examiner determined it was HOMICIDE, they don't have to prove how the homicide was committed, but she said it was duct tape. Who puts duct tape on a child that accidentally drowned? Of course there wouldn't be any DNA left, it was in a hot swamp for 6 months and would have decomposed. Quit listening to the red herrings thrown out and go examine the Discovery, Evidence, Depositions and Testimony instead of taking someone's word for it that didn't have anything to do with the case.

But that's not evidence.

Would the DNA have decomposed? At what rate? How much would have had to been present for it to be detectable when the remains were found?

If a Medical Examiner calls a death homicide, there has to be a cause of death. Homicide is not SIDS, natural causes or accidental drowning.

Exactly.

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Reply #251 posted 07/07/11 12:40am

Serena

TonyVanDam said:

Serena said:

That's all BS and I'd believe an OJ attorney...ummm NEVER!

The Medical Examiner determined it was HOMICIDE, they don't have to prove how the homicide was committed, but she said it was duct tape. Who puts duct tape on a child that accidentally drowned? Of course there wouldn't be any DNA left, it was in a hot swamp for 6 months and would have decomposed. Quit listening to the red herrings thrown out and go examine the Discovery, Evidence, Depositions and Testimony instead of taking someone's word for it that didn't have anything to do with the case.

Like hell they don't! rolleyes If any Medical Examiner can NOT prove how any homicide is committed, then sadly, you have the results of a potential "reasonable doubts". They could not find any of Casey Anthony's DNA samples anywhere on Caylee's dead body, the car trunk, or within the wooded/swamp area. Therefore, the potential of "reasonable doubts" were there.

The ME said it was Homicide, they do not have to prove the manner of death, especially when all they have is a SKELETON. There are many homicide cases where the manner of death is not known

Of course they're not going to find any DNA on the body, there was no BODY, only a skeleton that was left in a swamp, even going through a hurricane, for months. The area was flooded during that time, any evidence would've washed away. How do you expect DNA to go from the skin and then stay on the bones over all that time? Both sides brought in bug experts who testified about what bugs would've eaten what and any DNA would've been destroyed by them and decomposition.

Caylee's 'death banded' hair WAS found in the trunk as were chemicals from human decomposition & extreme amounts of chloroform. The reason nothing else was found, was because at least one person, Cindy, CLEANED the car (and washed Casey's stinking pants that were in the car) before it was examined. I'm sure Casey did some cleanup too. Otherwise, even Casey's hair, fingerprints, etc.. SHOULD have been in/on the car. (btw...the prosecutor, Ashton, was the first one to introduce DNA evidence in a case, so he knows what he's talking about and understands the science.)

None of what you said is considered 'reasonable doubt' because it's not true.

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Reply #252 posted 07/07/11 12:48am

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^ so basically you are saying the whole family was involvd in the cover up if Cindy is the one cleaning up the trunk? which screams to any juror RD.

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Reply #253 posted 07/07/11 12:56am

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lazycrockett said:

^ so basically you are saying the whole family was involvd in the cover up if Cindy is the one cleaning up the trunk? which screams to any juror RD.

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How is that RD when CASEY was the only one driving the car until it was impounded? When you take all the evidence into consideration and look at the big picture, there really isn't any 'reasonable doubt'.

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Reply #254 posted 07/07/11 1:05am

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Serena said:

TonyVanDam said:

Like hell they don't! rolleyes If any Medical Examiner can NOT prove how any homicide is committed, then sadly, you have the results of a potential "reasonable doubts". They could not find any of Casey Anthony's DNA samples anywhere on Caylee's dead body, the car trunk, or within the wooded/swamp area. Therefore, the potential of "reasonable doubts" were there.

The ME said it was Homicide, they do not have to prove the manner of death, especially when all they have is a SKELETON. There are many homicide cases where the manner of death is not known

Of course they're not going to find any DNA on the body, there was no BODY, only a skeleton that was left in a swamp, even going through a hurricane, for months. The area was flooded during that time, any evidence would've washed away. How do you expect DNA to go from the skin and then stay on the bones over all that time? Both sides brought in bug experts who testified about what bugs would've eaten what and any DNA would've been destroyed by them and decomposition.

Caylee's 'death banded' hair WAS found in the trunk as were chemicals from human decomposition & extreme amounts of chloroform. The reason nothing else was found, was because at least one person, Cindy, CLEANED the car (and washed Casey's stinking pants that were in the car) before it was examined. I'm sure Casey did some cleanup too. Otherwise, even Casey's hair, fingerprints, etc.. SHOULD have been in/on the car. (btw...the prosecutor, Ashton, was the first one to introduce DNA evidence in a case, so he knows what he's talking about and understands the science.)

None of what you said is considered 'reasonable doubt' because it's not true.

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Jennifer Ford (AKA Juror #3) would strongly beg to differ:

THIS^ juror plus 11 other jurors knew more than you and I will ever know and even she knew the potential of "reasonable doubts" were there. neutral

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Reply #255 posted 07/07/11 1:07am

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Cindy the wife of a police officer, just happens to go out to the trunk of the car and swipes to the point no DNA is found. Hmm shes either crazy bout cleaning it. N driving around a smelly car is typical in pretty much 45 states.

Hell the more i read the more i think is may have beenn an accident with a fucked up family. Cops are weird.

N wasnt that car in the parking space for like days before anyone claimed it?

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Reply #256 posted 07/07/11 1:09am

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Serena said:

lazycrockett said:

^ so basically you are saying the whole family was involvd in the cover up if Cindy is the one cleaning up the trunk? which screams to any juror RD.

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How is that RD when CASEY was the only one driving the car until it was impounded? When you take all the evidence into consideration and look at the big picture, there really isn't any 'reasonable doubt'.

You didn't answered Crockett's question. Are you implying that Casey's entire family was involve if Cindy is the one cleaning up the trunk?

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Reply #257 posted 07/07/11 1:16am

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Cindy the wife of a police officer, just happens to go out to the trunk of the car and swipes to the point no DNA is found. Hmm shes either crazy bout cleaning it. N driving around a smelly car is typical in pretty much 45 states.

Hell the more i read the more i think is may have beenn an accident with a fucked up family. Cops are weird.

N wasnt that car in the parking space for like days before anyone claimed it?

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I'm starting to wonder if Casey's father George is the real murder to be dead honest!

In a few of my past controversial threads about conspiracies (especially The Illuminati AND secret societies), I've once mention the questionable rumors/stories about human blood sacifices. I have to wonder if Caylee was George's blood sacifice and whether or not Casey was intended to be the fall girl.

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Reply #258 posted 07/07/11 2:37am

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TonyVanDam said:

Serena said:

The ME said it was Homicide, they do not have to prove the manner of death, especially when all they have is a SKELETON. There are many homicide cases where the manner of death is not known

Of course they're not going to find any DNA on the body, there was no BODY, only a skeleton that was left in a swamp, even going through a hurricane, for months. The area was flooded during that time, any evidence would've washed away. How do you expect DNA to go from the skin and then stay on the bones over all that time? Both sides brought in bug experts who testified about what bugs would've eaten what and any DNA would've been destroyed by them and decomposition.

Caylee's 'death banded' hair WAS found in the trunk as were chemicals from human decomposition & extreme amounts of chloroform. The reason nothing else was found, was because at least one person, Cindy, CLEANED the car (and washed Casey's stinking pants that were in the car) before it was examined. I'm sure Casey did some cleanup too. Otherwise, even Casey's hair, fingerprints, etc.. SHOULD have been in/on the car. (btw...the prosecutor, Ashton, was the first one to introduce DNA evidence in a case, so he knows what he's talking about and understands the science.)

None of what you said is considered 'reasonable doubt' because it's not true.

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Jennifer Ford (AKA Juror #3) would strongly beg to differ:

THIS^ juror plus 11 other jurors knew more than you and I will ever know and even she knew the potential of "reasonable doubts" were there. neutral

I don't know why you think the jury knows more than anyone else, that just not true. In fact, 'the interested public' knows more than she/they did because not all of the Discovery and other info was admitted into evidence, but was used in the investigation. I've also read Sidebar transcripts which the jury wouldn't have had access to. I (and a bazillion others) saw and heard EVERYTHING that she did because I watched the live stream every day and saw all the same testimony and evidence she did.

I can't believe the stuff she says, they're not supposed to figure out how or why she died, they're not supposed to be investigators. She was worried about taking someone else's life, that wasn't supposed to come into her thoughts AT ALL when she was deliberating the 'guilt phase'.

If Casey's parents were involved in the killing, do you think Casey would have sat in jail for 3 years without implicating them while still keeping up the kidnapping story? If they knew what had happened, why would her mother have called the cops in a panic saying the car smelled like there'd been a dead body in it? (see post below for links to audio)

Casey could have got her baby killing ass up on that stand and told 'the truth' if it wasn't her, but she didn't do that, did she?

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Reply #259 posted 07/07/11 2:45am

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lazycrockett said:

Cindy the wife of a police officer, just happens to go out to the trunk of the car and swipes to the point no DNA is found. Hmm shes either crazy bout cleaning it. N driving around a smelly car is typical in pretty much 45 states.

Hell the more i read the more i think is may have beenn an accident with a fucked up family. Cops are weird.

N wasnt that car in the parking space for like days before anyone claimed it?

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I'm sure Casey did some cleanup too before mom got to it. But you guys keep saying there wasn't any DNA found, there WAS one of Caylee's hairs found in the trunk. The body was bagged, thus not a lot of DNA is gonna get spread around in the trunk.

The car was parked at the Amscot for a couple of days, then sat in the tow yard for a few more, I can't remember the exact dates without looking them up though.

There are a lot of 'only ifs' in this case. The tow yard operator also said he smelled human decomposition, too bad he didn't call the cops before they picked up the car. If only the cop had investigated the 2nd call from the guy that found the remains, they wouldn't have been left with a skeleton.

Hell, Cindy/George even left the car windows open for days trying to get rid of the smell, human decomposition smells like NOTHING else, it wasn't just a 'smelly car'.

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Reply #260 posted 07/07/11 2:52am

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TonyVanDam said:

Serena said:

How is that RD when CASEY was the only one driving the car until it was impounded? When you take all the evidence into consideration and look at the big picture, there really isn't any 'reasonable doubt'.

You didn't answered Crockett's question. Are you implying that Casey's entire family was involve if Cindy is the one cleaning up the trunk?

I think they were involved in trying to cover up a horror that they didn't want to believe was true, but don't think they knew what had happened yet. I think eventually Cindy was made aware of where the body was located either from Casey or Baez. They had their own Private Investigators out looking in the same area where the remains were found in Oct 2008.

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Reply #261 posted 07/07/11 3:06am

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Listen to the second 911 call listed on this page and note the difference in the mom and Casey. She was already lying her ass off. Then listen to the 'jailhouse call', does that sound like an innocent mother who is worried about her finding her missing (dead) daughter?

http://investigation.disc...y_911.html

Also, when the family discovered that their recorded conversations were being made public, that's when they started trying to make things more 'normal' when talking. There are also ones where Cindy is breaking down while George is trying to get info out of her.

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Reply #262 posted 07/07/11 5:01am

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unbelieveable. anthony and her family are receiving death threats from all the pious, holier than thou types who decry her for allegedly murdering her own child, but who are not unwilling to commit the ultimate sin themselves, it appears.......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...nd_courts/

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Reply #263 posted 07/07/11 5:14am

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MrSoulpower said:

I love it how folks automatically assume that other folks "LOVE trotting OJ out to say "he's black and got off" as if he is representative of the average black defendant."

I used O.J. as an example not just because he was a minority, but because he was the last hi-profile murder case in America before the Casey Anthony case, and because he, too, got off. So maybe you should ask me first before making uninformed assumptions about my motives. Thank you.

The last high profile murder case before the Casey Anthony case?

No high profile murder trials since 1995?

Susan Smith's trial came after OJ's.

So did Timothy McVeigh's.

True, they can be considered high profile. But neither got the same media attention as O.J.'s or Casey Anthony's trials. People treated those like soap operas, as you can see by some comments on this thread.

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Reply #264 posted 07/07/11 5:18am

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RKJCNE said:

MrSoulpower said:

Like I said above, from what I have seen presented in trial, the circumstances around Caylee's disappearance are very unclear and circumstancial at best. Was there hard evidence that Cayless disappeared while she was with her mother? Could she have been with the grandparents or a third party? I think the fact that family members lied on stand about numerous issues makes it hard for the jury to come to a valid conclusion about what happened.

Ignoring her missing child for 31 days seems like evidence enough for me. In just about any hypothetical story her not getting the police involved is serious neglect for her child.

It's crazy to me that we will never know what happened. So many holes in the stories, so many different stories.

It may be enough evidence for you, based on how you feel about it. But it wouldn't hold up as conclusive evidence in a court of law.

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Reply #265 posted 07/07/11 5:20am

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Serena said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

She should write a book called "If I Did It" about how she would go about murdering her daughter if she was going to do it. Bestseller.

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She's quite the storyteller too! She never took care of that baby from the time she was born. The parents of Jessie Grund (who she first tried to pin paternity on until his parent made them do a test) cared for the baby during the day while she supposedly went to work (lie, no job). Then they got tired of her leeching off them, so then she came up with the 'it's ok, I have a nanny' bit. She then got a girlfriend to babysit, until after 8 months when the friend found out she'd been lying the whole time and never really worked. On and on and on...she is a good liar!

Geez, at the start of the investigation, she even took the cops onto the Universal lot saying she was taking them to her office, walked down a hall, then turned around and said 'ok, I don't really work here'... nuts

None of this is conclusive evidence that she is guilty of First Degree Murder.

You guys are treating this like a soap opera or an episode of C.S.I.

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Reply #266 posted 07/07/11 5:23am

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RKJCNE said:

One thing I don't get is that the defence alleges that Anthony drowned... what happened after she drowned? Did they attempt to explain that at all?

That's a valid question, but irrelevant in this trial. Casey was charged with First Degree Murder. If prosecutors were interested in hearing what happened after Caylee drowned, they could have asked. But my guess is that they did not want to give more validation to this claim at all, which is why they ignored it.

I think what most people don't understand is that the purpose of this trial was not to solve the mystery of what happened to Caylee Anthony. The sole purpose of this trial was to find out if her mother is guilty of premeditated murder. The jury didn't think so - case closed.

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Reply #267 posted 07/07/11 5:25am

MrSoulpower

Serena said:

RKJCNE said:

One thing I don't get is that the defence alleges that Anthony drowned... what happened after she drowned? Did they attempt to explain that at all?

That is part of the problem with their defense, the *only* person who said anything about drowning in court was Jose Baez and what he says is NOT evidence or testimony and the jury is NOT to consider it that way. They presented NO evidence of drowning, abuse by her father or brother, really nothing at all to back up their 'defense theory'. (there is an interesting sidebar transcript where the Judge is trying to understand just what their theory was since it kept changing and it affects what can be admitted)

btw...when the cops were first questioning her at the Universal lot, they asked her if there had maybe been an accident, drowning or anything else. She said NO.

[Edited 7/6/11 22:45pm]

Again, they didn't have to. The purpose of this trial was not to find out if Caylee drowned and how that happened, but to determine if her mother killed her with premeditation. And there is simply no evidence for that, no matter how many times you claim that there is (and fail to present such.)

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Reply #268 posted 07/07/11 5:27am

MrSoulpower

Serena said:

This was on Casey's computer, last folder save date of July 8th 2008:

[img:$uid]http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/kill-bear.png[/img:$uid]

There's also these photos:

[img:$uid]http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/caylee-bear1.png[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/caylee-crying.png[/img:$uid]

I hate that last picture, who takes a picture of their child in such distress?

And if you want some light reading, here is a timeline including Discovery, Evidence and trial activities. It's very interesting, begins in Dec '07 and current thru 7/2/11.

http://www.thehinkymeter....discovery/

[Edited 7/6/11 23:21pm]

None of this is evidence that Casey killed her daughter with premeditation. It is completely irrelevant and only serves the purpose of character assassination - which is the only strategy prosecutors had. But what's the point? We all know that Casey Anthony is a deeply troubled individual who has issues. But she wasn't on trial for that.

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Reply #269 posted 07/07/11 5:34am

MrSoulpower

Serena said:

TonyVanDam said:

Jennifer Ford (AKA Juror #3) would strongly beg to differ:

THIS^ juror plus 11 other jurors knew more than you and I will ever know and even she knew the potential of "reasonable doubts" were there. neutral

I don't know why you think the jury knows more than anyone else, that just not true.

No, but the jury knows what the court believes is relevant to the case and allowed to be admitted as evidence. And this is all that matters. And the jury was no exposed to the media coverage of this case - as you were - which for the most part considered her guilty before the trial even began.

I really don't understand wha you believe makes you an expert in this case, even calling the jury "ignorant" and "lazy", when you did not have access to the same court files and you were not present during the deliberation process.

No offense, but you come off somewhat obsessed with this case. You were neither a juror, nor part of the prosecution. You were not a witness either, and going by your posts, you're not an expert of law. You are just a TV observer who believes she knows more than everyone else, the jury included.

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