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Reply #360 posted 07/08/11 12:27am

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KingBAD said:

SUPRMAN said:

He's referencing other threads involving bloodlust . . . .

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in the things you say

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Reply #361 posted 07/08/11 12:45am

Purplealegria7

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Serena said:




TonyVanDam said:




And THAT^ is a fair opinion. But the jurors disagree with you.



The jury made the right (controversial) decision on this case. Yes, Casey Anthony was and maybe still is a lying slut. But since there was no solid evidences to prove that Casey planned to killed her own daughter nor were there any witnesses that actually seen Casey do the actual murder, they jury has no choice but to find Casey "not guilty".

ok how many murders percentage wise actually have someone witness the crime to identify the perp? Really that is assinine. And about the duct tape let me ask you how they would find any DNA on duct tape that was underwater for 4 to 5 months? A tropical storm came through that area in august and it was flooded until the end of nov.


It was either "not guilty" or hung jury. Either way, Casey will only serves (less than?!?) a year in prison for lying to investigators. End of story. No re-trial.






No one needs to be a witness to a murder, there was TONS of evidence in this case that this suckass jury didn't even bother to look at when they were deliberating. They just wanted to go home and took the easy way out. I hope each and every one of them quickly have a rude awakening as to the wrong they have committed. Their family and friends should shun them for their ignorant and lazy work on this case.




According to THIS follow-up report, there were not any "tons" of solid evidences to begin with, hence why the D.A. office lost big time:



http://news.yahoo.com/anthony-trial-lack-evidence-good-defense-000636253.html





ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Prosecutors proved Casey Anthony was a liar, but convinced the jury of little else.



The government failed to establish how 2-year-old Caylee Anthony died and they couldn't find her mother's DNA on the duct tape they said was used to suffocate her. There was conflicting testimony on whether the putrid smell inside the family's car was a decomposing body or simply trash, and it was never quite clear why chloroform was so important.



The lack of evidence and the doubt raised by the defense — that Caylee accidentally drowned in the family's pool — was enough to win an acquittal. After a trial of a month and a half, the jury took less than 11 hours to find Anthony not guilty of first-degree murder, aggravated manslaughter and aggravated child abuse.



She was convicted only of four misdemeanor counts of lying to investigators who were looking into the June 2008 disappearance of Caylee. She lied about being employed at Universal Studios. She lied about leaving Caylee with a baby-sitter, then again when she recounted to investigators that she had told two imaginary people that Caylee was missing. She also lied about receiving a phone call from Caylee the day before she was reported missing.



Lead defense attorney Jose Baez was criticized by many legal pundits for his strategy and loosely throwing around allegations of molestation and incest. Baez suggested early on that Casey's father, George Anthony, helped cover up the drowning and sexually abused his daughter, accusations the father vehemently denied. Baez also claimed Casey's brother might be Caylee's father and that a meter reader who discovered the girl's remains may have moved them, more allegations that weren't substantiated.


Ultimately, though, the burden of proof wasn't on Baez.



"I don't think it was Baez' great lawyering that won the case," said Richard Rosenbaum, a Fort Lauderdale criminal defense attorney who closely followed the trial but wasn't involved in the case. "I think it goes back to the prosecution and the weaknesses in their case."



Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney for Miami and now a defense attorney, said Baez had to offer an alternative to the prosecution's theory of how Caylee was killed, though he was less impressed with the molestation accusations.



"The biggest questions were the 'how' and the 'why,'" Coffey said. "Even the state acknowledged they weren't exactly sure of how Caylee was killed. That was a candid acknowledgement, but Baez seized on that."



Orlando's chief prosecutor said his attorneys were disappointed with the verdict but they presented every piece of evidence that existed.



"This is a dry-bones case. Very, very difficult to prove," said Orange County State Attorney Lawson Lamar. "The delay in recovering little Caylee's remains worked to our considerable disadvantage."



Shortly after Lamar's news conference, one of the lead prosecutors on the case, Jeff Ashton, announced he would retire at the end of the week following 30 years as a prosecutor. A spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office said Ashton and Lamar had previously discussed his retirement.



The six-month gap between when Casey was reported missing and when her remains were found in December 2008 affected the amount of scientific evidence investigators could glean from the pieces of bones, some as small as a pebble. And prosecutors didn't have any evidence that put Casey at the scene where the remains were found.



There was also confusion on why chloroform was so important. Chloroform is a chemical compound that can be used to knock someone unconscious and also is found in human decomposition, but prosecutors never made clear exactly what its role it played in Caylee's death.



Prosecutors said Casey searched for the term "chloroform" on the family's computer, though when her mother, Cindy, took the stand late in the trial, she said she searched for it. Later, job records indicated that Cindy might have been at work when the searches were made.



Then there was the smell test. After prosecutors presented an expert witness who said that a carpet stain taken from the family's car trunk had a smell consistent with a decomposing body, the defense called the expert's former colleague who testified to the opposite.



Baez addressed his naysayers during a press conference.



"This case has brought on new challenges for all of us. Challenges in the criminal justice system, challenges in the media, and I think we should all take this as an opportunity to learn and to realize that you cannot convict someone until they have had their day in court," he said.



Yale Galanter, who has represented O.J. Simpson in a number of cases since 2000, said he was not surprised by the verdict.



"The issue is there was absolutely no evidence linking her to the death. None," said the Miami lawyer. "So what the defense did was brilliant, they brought up the drowning, they brought up the sexual molestation, and it really got the jury to focus away from the bad behavior of the mom."


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Lush reported from St. Petersburg. Associated Press writers Laura Wides-Munoz and Kelli Kennedy in Miami contributed to this report.



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Reply #362 posted 07/08/11 5:26am

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Purplealegria7, can you please make corrections on your quotings. Your crediting me for saying something that I did NOT say. rolleyes

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Reply #363 posted 07/08/11 7:36am

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RKJCNE said:

Caylee's law makes sense to me, but the people protesting outside of Casey's trial are crazy, protest something that can actually be changed...

Do you think more people are going to report children missing because of the law?

I don't. People who care don't need a law do they?

We just need more laws to be sure people we want punished are punished to our standards.

Ummm. that would be a gigantic NO, especially when the person is responsible for the death of the child.

Which is why I am certain that Casey killed her daughter.

The sad thing is that children are killed by their parents all the time...

There's a page called Unforgotten Angels on Facebook that documents murdered, abused, and missing children. It's almost always the parent or stepparent.

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Reply #364 posted 07/08/11 9:53am

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hmmm With all the hatred and vitriol aimed at this wretched woman Casey Anthony, I think the custody release dates reported by the media are false. I think the bitch is out already and chilling in some swank hotel.

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Reply #365 posted 07/08/11 10:51am

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HotGritz said:

hmmm With all the hatred and vitriol aimed at this wretched woman Casey Anthony, I think the custody release dates reported by the media are false. I think the bitch is out already and chilling in some swank hotel.

I was thinking the same thing. I heard on the news yesterday that she was going to be released next Wednesday, July 13. Wouldn't it be cathartic if something happended to that ho on that day? Lawd forgive me...

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Reply #366 posted 07/08/11 10:52am

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Nevermind.
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Reply #367 posted 07/08/11 10:54am

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Shyra said:

HotGritz said:

hmmm With all the hatred and vitriol aimed at this wretched woman Casey Anthony, I think the custody release dates reported by the media are false. I think the bitch is out already and chilling in some swank hotel.

I was thinking the same thing. I heard on the news yesterday that she was going to be released next Wednesday, July 13. Wouldn't it be cathartic if something happended to that ho on that day? Lawd forgive me...

Lawd forgive me too cuz I fo sho want her get hit by a fast moving truck.

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Reply #368 posted 07/08/11 10:56am

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HotGritz said:

hmmm With all the hatred and vitriol aimed at this wretched woman Casey Anthony, I think the custody release dates reported by the media are false. I think the bitch is out already and chilling in some swank hotel.

Nawwh, she still has a year left in jail because of the lying charges. She was sentenced to four years but was in jail for the past three years therefore has only one year left to go. disbelief [Edited 7/8/11 10:53am]

So where are the media whores getting this July 13th date from? I initially thought she would do another year also but then there was all this "good time" calculated into her sentence. I don't even know what "good time" is. You're supposed to behave while you're locked up. confused

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Reply #369 posted 07/08/11 11:05am

paniuroczy

Shyra said:



HotGritz said:


hmmm With all the hatred and vitriol aimed at this wretched woman Casey Anthony, I think the custody release dates reported by the media are false. I think the bitch is out already and chilling in some swank hotel.





I was thinking the same thing. I heard on the news yesterday that she was going to be released next Wednesday, July 13. Wouldn't it be cathartic if something happended to that ho on that day? Lawd forgive me...



Really?!?! Wwhhhyyyyy??? Why are they releasing her so damn early WHY WHY WHYYY bawl fuse wall dead
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Reply #370 posted 07/08/11 11:13am

paniuroczy

HotGritz said:



paniuroczy said:


HotGritz said:

hmmm With all the hatred and vitriol aimed at this wretched woman Casey Anthony, I think the custody release dates reported by the media are false. I think the bitch is out already and chilling in some swank hotel.



Nawwh, she still has a year left in jail because of the lying charges. She was sentenced to four years but was in jail for the past three years therefore has only one year left to go. disbelief [Edited 7/8/11 10:53am]

So where are the media whores getting this July 13th date from? I initially thought she would do another year also but then there was all this "good time" calculated into her sentence. I don't even know what "good time" is. You're supposed to behave while you're locked up. confused



shake Well I don't know then because apparently that was the official story but I keep hearing other things too like I heard that she, might be released in August and just now read about this July.

typing REEESEAARRCCHHHHH!!!!!
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Reply #371 posted 07/08/11 11:15am

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paniuroczy said:

HotGritz said:

So where are the media whores getting this July 13th date from? I initially thought she would do another year also but then there was all this "good time" calculated into her sentence. I don't even know what "good time" is. You're supposed to behave while you're locked up. confused

shake Well I don't know then because apparently that was the official story but I keep hearing other things too like I heard that she, might be released in August and just now read about this July. typing REEESEAARRCCHHHHHH!!!!!

SEE! That's why I think the media is lying and the sloppy baby killer is out already.

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Reply #372 posted 07/08/11 12:52pm

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HotGritz said:

Shyra said:

I was thinking the same thing. I heard on the news yesterday that she was going to be released next Wednesday, July 13. Wouldn't it be cathartic if something happended to that ho on that day? Lawd forgive me...

Lawd forgive me too cuz I fo sho want her get hit by a fast moving truck.

I really don't get this mindset (and it comes up often on threads in GD) of how/why one person would wish harm on some stranger because they are angry/upset/outraged/disagree with what the person did (e.g. harmed another). Doesn't that lower the 'wisher' to the same standards as the 'harmer'?

The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #373 posted 07/08/11 12:59pm

paniuroczy

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HotGritz said:

Lawd forgive me too cuz I fo sho want her get hit by a fast moving truck.

I really don't get this mindset (and it comes up often on threads in GD) of how/why one person would wish harm on some stranger because they are angry/upset/outraged/disagree with what the person did (e.g. harmed another). Doesn't that lower the 'wisher' to the same standards as the 'harmer'?

I don't think that most people mean it when they say such things. A lot of things are said by a lot of people out of anger, rage, and hurt that they don't mean.

But I agree with you.. I feel very uncomfortable wishing those things upon people. I could never say that it just doesn't feel right. zipped

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Reply #374 posted 07/08/11 1:15pm

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HotGritz said:

Lawd forgive me too cuz I fo sho want her get hit by a fast moving truck.

I really don't get this mindset (and it comes up often on threads in GD) of how/why one person would wish harm on some stranger because they are angry/upset/outraged/disagree with what the person did (e.g. harmed another). Doesn't that lower the 'wisher' to the same standards as the 'harmer'?

Uh no. If we are to be void of any emotion, any feeling, or any judgement then why the hell bother locking people up in a cage for years at at time? How is locking them up like a zoo animal any better? For those country club type prisons where people are kept from the outside community but still lead a rather normal life; how is that any type of punishment?

For Casey to get hit by a fast moving truck is a better death than what she gave her own child; the child committed no crime other than being a child which apparently doesn't go over well in some circles given the high rate of abuse and neglect of children in this world.

You explain to me how it is right that Casey Anthony gets to go on and live a normal happy life (and possibly financially secure life) while her baby Caylee was dumped in a trash bag and burried in the woods like garbage. You explain to me why anybody should harbor positive feelings for Casey or conversely why we should not care at all.

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Reply #375 posted 07/08/11 1:17pm

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wave I have no problem wishing harm on evil people. Jesus will forgive Casey. Not me.

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Reply #376 posted 07/08/11 1:29pm

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HotGritz said:

jone70 said:

I really don't get this mindset (and it comes up often on threads in GD) of how/why one person would wish harm on some stranger because they are angry/upset/outraged/disagree with what the person did (e.g. harmed another). Doesn't that lower the 'wisher' to the same standards as the 'harmer'?

Uh no. If we are to be void of any emotion, any feeling, or any judgement then why the hell bother locking people up in a cage for years at at time? How is locking them up like a zoo animal any better? For those country club type prisons where people are kept from the outside community but still lead a rather normal life; how is that any type of punishment?

For Casey to get hit by a fast moving truck is a better death than what she gave her own child; the child committed no crime other than being a child which apparently doesn't go over well in some circles given the high rate of abuse and neglect of children in this world.

You explain to me how it is right that Casey Anthony gets to go on and live a normal happy life (and possibly financially secure life) while her baby Caylee was dumped in a trash bag and burried in the woods like garbage. You explain to me why anybody should harbor positive feelings for Casey or conversely why we should not care at all.

Please re-read my post.

Nowhere in my post did I say anything about people being (or should be) "void of any emotion, any feeling, or judgement..."

I do not have to explain anything to you nor anyone about Casey Anthony, nor did I say anything about people "should harbor positive feelings*" for her. On the contrary, why should 'we' even care about Casey Anthony if she's such a heinous person, according to many? Why even bother wasting time wishing death on anyone? Isn't that what people 'like Casey Anthony' might do? Personally, I don't feel the need to wish harm/death on anyone because I believe karma is a bitch and who am I to determine who should live or die?

It just seems hypocritical to me, that's all. Or to use a cliché, "Two wrongs don't make a right" and aren't most of us in agreement that killing/murder would be "a wrong"?

*Italics added.

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The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #377 posted 07/08/11 1:33pm

paniuroczy

HotGritz said:

jone70 said:

I really don't get this mindset (and it comes up often on threads in GD) of how/why one person would wish harm on some stranger because they are angry/upset/outraged/disagree with what the person did (e.g. harmed another). Doesn't that lower the 'wisher' to the same standards as the 'harmer'?

Uh no. If we are to be void of any emotion, any feeling, or any judgement then why the hell bother locking people up in a cage for years at at time? How is locking them up like a zoo animal any better? For those country club type prisons where people are kept from the outside community but still lead a rather normal life; how is that any type of punishment?

For Casey to get hit by a fast moving truck is a better death than what she gave her own child; the child committed no crime other than being a child which apparently doesn't go over well in some circles given the high rate of abuse and neglect of children in this world.

You explain to me how it is right that Casey Anthony gets to go on and live a normal happy life (and possibly financially secure life) while her baby Caylee was dumped in a trash bag and burried in the woods like garbage. You explain to me why anybody should harbor positive feelings for Casey or conversely why we should not care at all.

Wishing for someone to receive justice by the law by staying in prison for life or even by facing the death penalty is different from wishing for someone to get hit by a truck or to be harmed in any other way. The bitch deserves a lot of terrible things but I can't wish that on her because it's just not my place to do that. I understand that it's natural and totally understandable to feel that way towards people like this but that doesn't make it right. It's never profitable to harbor such feelings. It's so easy to wish her death but I don't want to have negative wishes towards her wellbeing. Hatred and these types of thoughts are so energy draining and poisonous they might come back to bite you.

Whatever. I'll let the universe deal with her. smoker

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Reply #378 posted 07/08/11 1:44pm

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paniuroczy said:

HotGritz said:

Uh no. If we are to be void of any emotion, any feeling, or any judgement then why the hell bother locking people up in a cage for years at at time? How is locking them up like a zoo animal any better? For those country club type prisons where people are kept from the outside community but still lead a rather normal life; how is that any type of punishment?

For Casey to get hit by a fast moving truck is a better death than what she gave her own child; the child committed no crime other than being a child which apparently doesn't go over well in some circles given the high rate of abuse and neglect of children in this world.

You explain to me how it is right that Casey Anthony gets to go on and live a normal happy life (and possibly financially secure life) while her baby Caylee was dumped in a trash bag and burried in the woods like garbage. You explain to me why anybody should harbor positive feelings for Casey or conversely why we should not care at all.

Wishing for someone to receive justice by the law by staying in prison for life or even by facing the death penalty is different from wishing for someone to get hit by a truck or to be harmed in any other way. The bitch deserves a lot of terrible things but I can't wish that on her because it's just not my place to do that. I understand that it's natural and totally understandable to feel that way towards people like this but that doesn't make it right. It's never profitable to harbor such feelings. It's so easy to wish her death but I don't want to have negative wishes towards her wellbeing. Hatred and these types of thoughts are so energy draining and poisonous they might come back to bite you.

Whatever. I'll let the universe deal with her. smoker

I take issue with how we define justice at times. As it stands, Casey did received justice because she had her trial and was found not guilty. Based on that alone, none of us should be upset. However, our gut instincts and common sense and the evidence that has been presented tell us that justice was not served. Also, given how some prisons are run we cannot say that being locked up is truly justice. On the one hand we say prison is too easy because people are afforded food/clothing/shelter/education/exercise/television & music and on the other hand we say its too harsh because people have been known to get beaten and killed in prison. What I am saying is that to be uncomfortable about someone else's reaction and to give that kind of smug "you're no better" response is just ridiculous. Not saying that's how you are acting of course but merely having a disgussion.

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Reply #379 posted 07/08/11 1:48pm

paniuroczy

HotGritz said:

paniuroczy said:

HotGritz said: shake Well I don't know then because apparently that was the official story but I keep hearing other things too like I heard that she, might be released in August and just now read about this July. typing REEESEAARRCCHHHHHH!!!!!

SEE! That's why I think the media is lying and the sloppy baby killer is out already.

OK so all sources say July 17 she'll be released from jail.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-07/justice/florida.casey.anthony.next_1_casey-anthony-caylee-double-jeopardy?_s=PM:CRIME

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/08/ap/national/main20077807.shtml

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015540273_anthony08.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnpNi-phB6U

http://www.wltx.com/news/article/142818/2/Casey-Anthony-Release-Date-Recalculated-to-July-17

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_wednesday_florida_announce_vQMvFwtZgiYW9ZOW561MzK

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/08/tot-mom-release-date-changed-to-july-17/

Literally thousands of sources claim this date... mad demon

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Reply #380 posted 07/08/11 1:54pm

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HotGritz said:

Uh no. If we are to be void of any emotion, any feeling, or any judgement then why the hell bother locking people up in a cage for years at at time? How is locking them up like a zoo animal any better? For those country club type prisons where people are kept from the outside community but still lead a rather normal life; how is that any type of punishment?

For Casey to get hit by a fast moving truck is a better death than what she gave her own child; the child committed no crime other than being a child which apparently doesn't go over well in some circles given the high rate of abuse and neglect of children in this world.

You explain to me how it is right that Casey Anthony gets to go on and live a normal happy life (and possibly financially secure life) while her baby Caylee was dumped in a trash bag and burried in the woods like garbage. You explain to me why anybody should harbor positive feelings for Casey or conversely why we should not care at all.

Please re-read my post.

Nowhere in my post did I say anything about people being (or should be) "void of any emotion, any feeling, or judgement..."

I do not have to explain anything to you nor anyone about Casey Anthony, nor did I say anything about people "should harbor positive feelings*" for her. On the contrary, why should 'we' even care about Casey Anthony if she's such a heinous person, according to many? Why even bother wasting time wishing death on anyone? Isn't that what people 'like Casey Anthony' might do? Personally, I don't feel the need to wish harm/death on anyone because I believe karma is a bitch and who am I to determine who should live or die?

It just seems hypocritical to me, that's all. Or to use a cliché, "Two wrongs don't make a right" and aren't most of us in agreement that killing/murder would be "a wrong"?

*Italics added.

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falloff Now it' your turn to re-read my post. I never accused you of saying people should be void of emotion etc. I'm saying to not be angy and wish death on a woman who killed her child, lied about it, tried to blame others, invented one scenario after another and drained the legal system would require that we not have feeling, emotions or judgement. You responded to my post remember? You took issue with MY reaction.

If you don't have to explain anything to me or anyone else about Casey Anthony then likewise no one has to explain anything to you yet you were the one having difficulty understanding why I and others wish ill on Casey Anthony. It is not Casey we necessarily care about it is the fact that a child, her own child which could have been your child or anyone elses, was murdered and dumped like garbage and no one least the person most likely responsible is punished for it.

I no longer believe in Karma. I believe people do terrible things and sometimes they get what's coming and most of the time they don't. Not buying that two wrongs don't make a right argument becasue your definition of wrong and right is different from someone elses. Casey believed she did the right thing and apparently she was correct in her belief because her ass is in the clear. She could confess to murder tomorrow and there isn't anything anyone can do about it. Is that right or wrong?

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Reply #381 posted 07/08/11 1:55pm

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HotGritz said:

paniuroczy said:

Wishing for someone to receive justice by the law by staying in prison for life or even by facing the death penalty is different from wishing for someone to get hit by a truck or to be harmed in any other way. The bitch deserves a lot of terrible things but I can't wish that on her because it's just not my place to do that. I understand that it's natural and totally understandable to feel that way towards people like this but that doesn't make it right. It's never profitable to harbor such feelings. It's so easy to wish her death but I don't want to have negative wishes towards her wellbeing. Hatred and these types of thoughts are so energy draining and poisonous they might come back to bite you.

Whatever. I'll let the universe deal with her. smoker

I take issue with how we define justice at times. As it stands, Casey did received justice because she had her trial and was found not guilty. Based on that alone, none of us should be upset. However, our gut instincts and common sense and the evidence that has been presented tell us that justice was not served. Also, given how some prisons are run we cannot say that being locked up is truly justice. On the one hand we say prison is too easy because people are afforded food/clothing/shelter/education/exercise/television & music and on the other hand we say its too harsh because people have been known to get beaten and killed in prison. What I am saying is that to be uncomfortable about someone else's reaction and to give that kind of smug "you're no better" response is just ridiculous. Not saying that's how you are acting of course but merely having a disgussion.

I totally understand what you're saying but I guess I just disagree.

I'm sorry if my post had those implications. That is not what I meant because I have felt and said the same things before plenty of times but I just find that those sort of feelings and wishes do no good to anyone especially me.. it's just not good to harbor that sort of energy even if I feel really really bad about something.

&BTW, your reaction doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. I completely respect that you feel that way, I am very upset and angered by this as well. I completely understand where you are standing in this and in no way am I judging you or thinking that you are less of a person or worse than me or anyone else for thinking that. It's a completely natural and understandable reaction and feeling. I just try (really hard) not to go near that because it is harmful is all I'm saying.

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Reply #382 posted 07/08/11 2:02pm

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paniuroczy said:

HotGritz said:

I take issue with how we define justice at times. As it stands, Casey did received justice because she had her trial and was found not guilty. Based on that alone, none of us should be upset. However, our gut instincts and common sense and the evidence that has been presented tell us that justice was not served. Also, given how some prisons are run we cannot say that being locked up is truly justice. On the one hand we say prison is too easy because people are afforded food/clothing/shelter/education/exercise/television & music and on the other hand we say its too harsh because people have been known to get beaten and killed in prison. What I am saying is that to be uncomfortable about someone else's reaction and to give that kind of smug "you're no better" response is just ridiculous. Not saying that's how you are acting of course but merely having a disgussion.

I totally understand what you're saying but I guess I just disagree.

I'm sorry if my post had those implications. That is not what I meant because I have felt and said the same things before plenty of times but I just find that those sort of feelings and wishes do no good to anyone especially me.. it's just not good to harbor that sort of energy even if I feel really really bad about something.

&BTW, your reaction doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. I completely respect that you feel that way, I am very upset and angered by this as well. I completely understand where you are standing in this and in no way am I judging you or thinking that you are less of a person or worse than me or anyone else for thinking that. It's a completely natural and understandable reaction and feeling. I just try (really hard) not to go near that because it is harmful is all I'm saying.

No worries. hug You have to do what is comfortable and natural for you. Everyone is different. I for one can voice my ill regard for Casey Anthony and wish for God to punish her in some way and that is my limit- now if she were my sister...well...she might not have made it to trial.

Other people can get on YouTube and make videos about how much they loath Casey while even others can turn the whole thing to a Twitter joke or a bad t-shirt. At the end of the day all any of us can be thankful for is that we are not Casey nor Caylee. Its bitter but its truth.

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Reply #383 posted 07/08/11 2:07pm

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paniuroczy said:

I totally understand what you're saying but I guess I just disagree.

I'm sorry if my post had those implications. That is not what I meant because I have felt and said the same things before plenty of times but I just find that those sort of feelings and wishes do no good to anyone especially me.. it's just not good to harbor that sort of energy even if I feel really really bad about something.

&BTW, your reaction doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. I completely respect that you feel that way, I am very upset and angered by this as well. I completely understand where you are standing in this and in no way am I judging you or thinking that you are less of a person or worse than me or anyone else for thinking that. It's a completely natural and understandable reaction and feeling. I just try (really hard) not to go near that because it is harmful is all I'm saying.

No worries. hug You have to do what is comfortable and natural for you. Everyone is different. I for one can voice my ill regard for Casey Anthony and wish for God to punish her in some way and that is my limit- now if she were my sister...well...she might not have made it to trial.

Other people can get on YouTube and make videos about how much they loath Casey while even others can turn the whole thing to a Twitter joke or a bad t-shirt. At the end of the day all any of us can be thankful for is that we are not Casey nor Caylee. Its bitter but its truth.

Exactly, everyone is different, everyone copes differently. Thank you for understanding.

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Reply #384 posted 07/08/11 2:20pm

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Please re-read my post.

Nowhere in my post did I say anything about people being (or should be) "void of any emotion, any feeling, or judgement..."

I do not have to explain anything to you nor anyone about Casey Anthony, nor did I say anything about people "should harbor positive feelings*" for her. On the contrary, why should 'we' even care about Casey Anthony if she's such a heinous person, according to many? Why even bother wasting time wishing death on anyone? Isn't that what people 'like Casey Anthony' might do? Personally, I don't feel the need to wish harm/death on anyone because I believe karma is a bitch and who am I to determine who should live or die?

It just seems hypocritical to me, that's all. Or to use a cliché, "Two wrongs don't make a right" and aren't most of us in agreement that killing/murder would be "a wrong"?

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falloff Now it' your turn to re-read my post. I never accused you of saying people should be void of emotion etc. I'm saying to not be angy and wish death on a woman who killed her child, lied about it, tried to blame others, invented one scenario after another and drained the legal system would require that we not have feeling, emotions or judgement. You responded to my post remember? You took issue with MY reaction.

If you don't have to explain anything to me or anyone else about Casey Anthony then likewise no one has to explain anything to you yet you were the one having difficulty understanding why I and others wish ill on Casey Anthony. It is not Casey we necessarily care about it is the fact that a child, her own child which could have been your child or anyone elses, was murdered and dumped like garbage and no one least the person most likely responsible is punished for it.

I no longer believe in Karma. I believe people do terrible things and sometimes they get what's coming and most of the time they don't. Not buying that two wrongs don't make a right argument becasue your definition of wrong and right is different from someone elses. Casey believed she did the right thing and apparently she was correct in her belief because her ass is in the clear. She could confess to murder tomorrow and there isn't anything anyone can do about it. Is that right or wrong?

I knew it was pointless to try to have a rational discussion on this thread. I cannot take you seriously when your first response is falloff.

I never said you accused me of saying anything, but like I responded to your post, you did to mine thus implying we were conversing with one another, and thus implying that I might feel people should be void of emotion. I am not going to argue semantics and grammar with you.

I do not have difficulty understanding why people wish ill, it just smacks of hypocrisy and self-righteousness to me. I don't get how people can't see that. Who are we to judge others? (I won't even get into the concept of "justice" that you mentioned in a different response...)


How do you know that Casey "believed she did the right thing"? Did she tell you?

Perhaps you're right and karma is just another myth like Jesus' forgiveness, etc., but I don't see how that puts us (humans) in that position (of judgement, forgiveness, etc.) instead.

I agree with Paniuroczy -- being angry, hating, etc. is draining and poisonous. I'd rather spend my energy in more worthwhile ways. But if you have that kind of time & energy, feel free to wish ill towards others all you want. I just don't see how it accomplishes anything.

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Reply #385 posted 07/08/11 2:36pm

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jone70 said:

HotGritz said:

falloff Now it' your turn to re-read my post. I never accused you of saying people should be void of emotion etc. I'm saying to not be angy and wish death on a woman who killed her child, lied about it, tried to blame others, invented one scenario after another and drained the legal system would require that we not have feeling, emotions or judgement. You responded to my post remember? You took issue with MY reaction.

If you don't have to explain anything to me or anyone else about Casey Anthony then likewise no one has to explain anything to you yet you were the one having difficulty understanding why I and others wish ill on Casey Anthony. It is not Casey we necessarily care about it is the fact that a child, her own child which could have been your child or anyone elses, was murdered and dumped like garbage and no one least the person most likely responsible is punished for it.

I no longer believe in Karma. I believe people do terrible things and sometimes they get what's coming and most of the time they don't. Not buying that two wrongs don't make a right argument becasue your definition of wrong and right is different from someone elses. Casey believed she did the right thing and apparently she was correct in her belief because her ass is in the clear. She could confess to murder tomorrow and there isn't anything anyone can do about it. Is that right or wrong?

I knew it was pointless to try to have a rational discussion on this thread. I cannot take you seriously when your first response is falloff.

I never said you accused me of saying anything, but like I responded to your post, you did to mine thus implying we were conversing with one another, and thus implying that I might feel people should be void of emotion. I am not going to argue semantics and grammar with you.

I do not have difficulty understanding why people wish ill, it just smacks of hypocrisy and self-righteousness to me. I don't get how people can't see that. Who are we to judge others? (I won't even get into the concept of "justice" that you mentioned in a different response...)


How do you know that Casey "believed she did the right thing"? Did she tell you?

Perhaps you're right and karma is just another myth like Jesus' forgiveness, etc., but I don't see how that puts us (humans) in that position (of judgement, forgiveness, etc.) instead.

I agree with Paniuroczy -- being angry, hating, etc. is draining and poisonous. I'd rather spend my energy in more worthwhile ways. But if you have that kind of time & energy, feel free to wish ill towards others all you want. I just don't see how it accomplishes anything.

peace

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I love it when the self-righteous cry self-righteousness. Go forth and spend your energy in more worthwhile ways. bow peace

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Reply #386 posted 07/08/11 2:44pm

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vainandy said:

Exactly. All that damn lying and she was even found guilty for lying. I don't know why the jury didn't ask themselves..."If the bitch isn't guilty, then what's the reason for not just one, but multiple lies". If I had been on that jury, it would have just ended up a hung jury because there's no way I would get over asking that question.

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That's what I thought would happen if she wasn't found guilty. It never occurred to me that this bitch would get off. She can't even be tried again for the murder even if she fessed up and said she did it. Our justice system stinks to high heaven.

This case has ended up as just another mystery, just like the murder of Jon Benet. Sad.

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Reply #387 posted 07/08/11 2:56pm

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HotGritz said:

That's what I thought would happen if she wasn't found guilty. It never occurred to me that this bitch would get off. She can't even be tried again for the murder even if she fessed up and said she did it. Our justice system stinks to high heaven.

This case has ended up as just another mystery, just like the murder of Jon Benet. Sad.

I don't think that you could say that it was a mystery. More of a letdown and bad trial.

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Reply #388 posted 07/08/11 3:37pm

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paniuroczy said:

2elijah said:

This case has ended up as just another mystery, just like the murder of Jon Benet. Sad.

I don't think that you could say that it was a mystery. More of a letdown and bad trial.

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