She will have a day when she must strip away all the fake and look back in the mirror at her reflection and know each time what she did. It does aappear for now that she will not benefit from her actions. Even a porn company doesn't want to touch her, the alledged nanny is suing, and if the father ever comes forward; he/his family should do a wrongful death suit against her. THere no sence is writing a book, doing a movie, or interviewing because she will never tell the truth.

mzsadii said:

She will have a day when she must strip away all the fake and look back in the mirror at her reflection and know each time what she did. It does aappear for now that she will not benefit from her actions. Even a porn company doesn't want to touch her, the alledged nanny is suing, and if the father ever comes forward; he/his family should do a wrongful death suit against her. THere no sence is writing a book, doing a movie, or interviewing because she will never tell the truth.

On what grounds?

First there would be the question of standing, then suing her for wrongful death is problematic without a cause of death.

MrSoulpower said:

Serena said:

There were 3 pieces stuck there, not just one, so there was plenty to cover her mouth and nose, especially when it's a little face.

More speculation, no actual evidence.

Wrong, it IS evidence and there are pictures of it on the skull.

and to correct an earlier statement I said about whether the jurors had more evidence than what is available to those outside of the courtroom; some of the photos of the crime scene with the remains were only shown in court (gallery saw them though too, not just the jury). Pixelated versions were allowed to be shown on TV.

I'm trying to get ready for a trip, so I haven't had much time to be posting and will try and catch up when I can, especially since the jurors are now asking for blood money and blabbing everywhere they can.

Anyway, I think it was SUPRman(?) that asked for 10 evidentiary items proving her guilt, so here ya go:

10 points of evidence presented in court:


1) Human decomposition in her trunk and cadaver dog alerts in the back yard and on the car. Multiple experts on both sides verified the compounds found in the trunk were consistent with human decomposition, along with expert testimony about the actual smell, which remained for at least 2 years. There's NO other explanation for that certain smell to be there. It wasn't the smell of garbage nor were there any foodstuffs in the trash bag, only food type objects were an empty salami wrapper and an empty Velvetta wrapper. Also, when the bag was removed, the odor stayed in the trunk, it did not follow the bag. SHE was the only person in control of the car until it was impounded.


2) Death-banded, decomposed hair consistent with Caylee's found in trunk.


3) Henkel brand duct tape stuck in her hair with part of it holding her mandible in place.


4) Casey not reporting her child missing for 31 days and the only reason that even happened was because *Cindy* called the police. Cindy had to go searching for her, pulled her out of her boyfriend's apt and demanded she take her to Caylee, which she couldn't do. She begged her mom for 'one more day', then she'd come back home. During those 31 days, Cindy kept asking to see Caylee and Casey made up story after story as to where she was. You can listen for yourself to that call (linked earlier) and see who knew what.


5) Casey partying like there was no tomorrow during those days, the night of the 16th, she went to Blockbuster(security videos introduced) with her then boyfriend and spent the entire next day in bed with him, he even played hooky because he was enjoying himself too much to leave (testified to by the bf). (this next part wasn't evidence but here's an interesting anecdote:

"Casey Anthony, mother of Caylee Anthony, was seen on video surveillance at a Blockbuster Video on June 16, 2008, with a boyfriend, Anthony “Tony” Lazzaro,

renting two movies — “Untraceable” and “Jumper,” according to ABC Action News.

“Untraceable” a 2008 film by Gregory Hoblit, stars Diane Lane, Billy Burke and Colin Hanks. Lane’s character, Jennifer Marsh, must track down a cyber-kidnapper and killer who uses the Internet.

“Jumper,” a 2008 film by Doug Liman, also stars Diane Lane, with Hayden Christensen, Rachel Bilson, Samuel L. Jackson and Jamie Bell. Lane plays Mary Rice, a mother who abandons her 5-year-old son David Rice (Christensen), who later realizes the power to jump anywhere he wants."

Then there was also a computer search done by her for the 100th episode of One Tree Hill, which dealt with a nanny kidnapping a child.)



6) Google search for 'how to make chloroform' which were made when only Casey was home (work records entered for Cindy and George), also were made using Google, where Cindy & George used a different account and Yahoo for their searches. (all cell records and ping location reports were entered into evidence, which also proved where she was and when. this info was collated into the timeline I posted earlier)


7) HIGH levels of chloroform in trunk, even higher than 'normal minimal trace' amounts on the trunk carpeting after being aired out for 4 days. (Defense witness testified to that and couldn't explain why those types of levels would be found unless extremely high amounts of chloroform and human decomposition were present at one time (related to #1) The combinations could not have come from household cleaners or other substances.

8) Laundry bag, garbage bags, Winnie the Pooh blanket, duct tape all from the Anthony's garage, which Casey backed her car into 2 days in a row when no one else was home. She also borrowed a shovel from the neighbor one of the days to supposedly dig out a bamboo shoot then returned it within 45 mins or so.

9) All of the lies she told the police while they were trying to help her find her child the first day and thereafter, while denying that ANY accident happened.

10) Caylee was found close to home, which is right where she told her brother 'she felt' she was and that he should look around there. (jailhouse tapes)

11) And I'll include here ALL of her jailhouse calls/videos that were admitted, her statements and demeanor were very damning.

[Edited 7/8/11 20:57pm]

MrSoulpower said:

RKJCNE said:

Exactly, emotions are so high that people can't see that this was a failed investigation and the prosecution did not have enough to go to trial with. People keep pointing out to me the point of the trial isn't to get the whole story, but that is the point of the investigation! Thus the investigation failed to find justice for Caylee, not the jury.

Exactly. The investigation's failure to gather enough evidence was the first problem.

The second problem was the prosecutors decision to charge her with First Degree murder based on the little evidence investigators had gathered for them.

An involuntary manslaughter charge may have turned out differently. But even in that case, there still is not enough evidence that links Casey to her daughter's death.

See, this is just wrong for you to say until you've studied ALL the evidence. When you put it all together, there is plenty of proof!

oops, dup post

[Edited 7/8/11 21:02pm]

TonyVanDam said:

Serena said:

I don't know why you think the jury knows more than anyone else, that just not true. In fact, 'the interested public' knows more than she/they did because not all of the Discovery and other info was admitted into evidence, but was used in the investigation. I've also read Sidebar transcripts which the jury wouldn't have had access to. I (and a bazillion others) saw and heard EVERYTHING that she did because I watched the live stream every day and saw all the same testimony and evidence she did.

I can't believe the stuff she says, they're not supposed to figure out how or why she died, they're not supposed to be investigators. She was worried about taking someone else's life, that wasn't supposed to come into her thoughts AT ALL when she was deliberating the 'guilt phase'.

If Casey's parents were involved in the killing, do you think Casey would have sat in jail for 3 years without implicating them while still keeping up the kidnapping story? If they knew what had happened, why would her mother have called the cops in a panic saying the car smelled like there'd been a dead body in it? (see post below for links to audio)

Casey could have got her baby killing ass up on that stand and told 'the truth' if it wasn't her, but she didn't do that, did she?

[Edited 7/7/11 3:11am]

I know for a fact that Jennifer Ford knows more than you & I because she was the juror for that case, NOT one of us. Period.

Oh god, don't get me started on her.

She's been saying the wrong things and has proven that she broke the law and did not follow the judge's instructions for deliberations, did not follow his instructions about River Cruz's testimony and used Baez's statements as evidence, which THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO.

I'll try and compile some more detailed notes about her and the rest of them when I can.

MrSoulpower said:

Serena said:

No it wasn't what?

It wasn't proof that Casey applied the tape to her daughter's face and it wasn't proof that the tape caused Caylee's death.

It WAS stuck in her decomposing hair and held the mandible in place, that was testified to.

Correct, but that doesn't prove the above.

I don't have all the answers, but the evidence presented was enough for me to agree with the Prosecution.

You're entitled to that, and I admire your passion. But that doesn't make you an expert, and it doesn't make you right and the jury wrong, and it isn't enough for a felony conviction, no matter how many times you say it is.

You don't agree, but you don't know all of the evidence either, so you're coming to your conclusion based only on bits & pieces you've heard on the news.

No, I am coming to my conclusion based on what I heard on the news (which is exactly the same source that you base your conclusion on) and my knowledge of the law and my experience in homicide trials.

As to your last sentence, you are WRONG where I learned my facts. I WATCHED each day's LIVE stream of the trial (and even some of the jury selection) and read a lot of the documents that are made availabe through Florida's Sunshine Law.

If you're really involved in the legal field, it's no wonder our system is a mess when you draw your conclusions from the MSM instead of getting unfiltered information from the actual source as I did.

[Edited 7/8/11 21:13pm]

[Edited 7/8/11 21:15pm]

SUPRMAN said:

Serena said:

Casey admitted she was the last person with the child until 'the nanny' kidnapped her, which was her story up until the opening day of the trial. The duct tape was a special brand that isn't even made anymore that she had access to. Can anyone say they saw her put it there? No, but since she was the last person with her...

Did Casey testify that she was the last person with Caylee?

We don't know that she was or that she knows who the last person with Caylee was.

She lies too much.

She didn't testify to that in court, but her statements saying that were admitted into evidence through the recordings of her interviews with the detectives and also through her statements on the 'jailhouse tapes'. HER WORDS, no one else's.

DiminutiveRocker said:

MrSoulpower said:

Well, in a way she did win the lottery. I'm pretty certain that she thought she was going to get a guilty verdict on at least one of the felony charges. Also, this ordeal lasted three years. It must be a great feeling to know it is finally over, either way. No matter if your child is dead or not. I understand that it was quite a relief for her and her defense team.

That said, they should have known better but to have a victory party in public. Casey's attorney found the right words in the press conference, but then they were seen hopping around and celebrating in a nearby bar. That was completely tasteless and they should have known better than that.

I know lots of people are outraged by this ruling... and IMO, I think she was responsible for her child's death. But it is also my belief that people like Anthony (in in some people's opinion - OJ Simpson) who practice deceit and get away with it do not usually learn anything by being in such a borderline situation. Eventually they will try something else at some point in their lives and get caught.

Still - the partying is not tasteful... especially when all is said and done, a 3 years old baby is dead.

[Edited 7/7/11 10:28am]

Yes, you can count on seeing her ass in jail again. She's already a 6x felon for fraud/stolen check charges that were brought prior to the murder trial.

The partying was disgusting 'YAY, Caylee's dead and we set her killer free!'. They'll find out what happens when you dance with the devil Casey.

Personally I think that whole family knows what happened and are covering up the truth. It makes no sense that the child wasn't reported missing until 31 days. If the child drowned then why didn't they try to revive her or bring her to the hospital? If the father saw her last or was involved or if Casey let someone take her why didn't she say so and why was her body found in the woods? Why would her diary say what it did about making a decision and she will see what will happen to her in the future and this is the happiest she's been in a long time after the child was missing? I think it's DEPLORABLE that any mother wouldn't show emotion and wouldn't panic right away not 31 days after a child is missing. Then in today's paper she is smiling. O.K. so she 's getting out of prison,but still her child is DEAD! I wouldn't ever be SMILING! Children are PRECIOUS. People are PRECIOUS. It's such a TRAGEDY and no one will ever know the TRUTH as to what Happened to CAYLEE. It's really DISGUSTING and SAD.

I haven't read all the way through the thread yet, so don't know if this info has already been posted, but Casey was served with a subpoena the other night for the defamation suit from Zenaida Gonzalez.

She will be deposed on the 19th and it will be recorded and maybe broadcast live on forthepeople.com . She has some other lawyer for this case, but Baez may slime on over to it. She'll have to answer a lot of questions that she won't want to and can't plead the 5th now.

She's also facing a $60-70k lien from the IRS on the $200k she and Baez received back in October from ABC for the pictures/videos of Caylee. Baez didn't take care of the taxes on it because he probably thought she'd never get out!

The search team that Cindy called for help, when A LOT of people traveled to Florida and spent hundreds of hours looking for Caylee will be filing suit against her to recover their costs.

The State has already filed against her to recover investigative and other costs, but has 60 days to get the numbers together.

Oops, forgot one more; Jessie Grund and his family will probably be suing her for defamation also after they accused him of killing Caylee at one point. (this was the guy she fingered as the father until paternity test proved her wrong, but she was pregnant before she slept with him)

[Edited 7/8/11 22:50pm]

Shyra said:

Serena said:

Ok, see this is one of the things the jury did wrong; Juror #3 who is on ABC tonight stated that they took the Death Penalty seriously & it weighed heavily on all their minds while deliberating. (paraphrased)

They were instructed NOT to consider ANY penalty yet, only the charges. Then, if they had decided on 1st degree, there would have been a Penalty Phase with additional testimony for a few days (meaning they would've been sequestered even longer). Then they would be tasked with deliberating on Death or Life Without Parole. If they had chosen one of the lesser charges, the judge would have sentenced the penalty accordingly.

THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THEIR INSTRUCTIONS.

I think there needs to be changes made to the Jury System, especially when you have a sequestered jury that is anxious to get back home & to work. They either need to have 'professional jurists' for complicated/scientific cases especially, or maybe a 'jury coach' who helps them through the deliberation process, like getting them started, helping them follow the complicated instructions from the judge, etc..

Here's a link to the Instructions:

http://insession.blogs.cn...ony-trial/

Being sequestered for a long trial is no picnic, believe me. I was sequested for almost 2 months during a very high-profile trial back in 1990. When I heard that the jury had found her not guilty, the first though in my head was, "Oh, the jury was fed up and they wanted to get the hell out of Dodge!" Ain't no way in hell that jury could have gone over all that evidence in 11 hours and come up with a convincing analysis. BULLSHIT!!! Hell, we took a friggin week to deliberate and went in hung and the judge sent our asses right back in to do it all over again. We finally came to a compromise just to get the hell home! That is one experience I will never forget and never want to do again. When you have to deal with so me folk who just don't think straignt, it can be verrrry challenging.

Oh, but one point I wanted to make is that I remember distinctly that the judge explicitly instructed us NOT to consider the penalty for any charge. What happended when we went in to deliverate? This one woman said, "Oh, we can't find him guilty on that charge because they'll send him up the river!"

EXACTLY and that's where Ms. Ford has fucked herself. She also said she couldn't be a murderer by giving Casey the death penalty. Umm...she went through Voir Dire and was death penalty qualified, so she said she'd be able to apply it if it came to that. Then she says she couldn't choose that during the GUILT PHASE of the deliberations?!?

Being sequestered would be so hard to do, thanks for posting about your experience. One thing that came out today said that the jurors were allowed to use their cell phones in the common area. There was only one guard stationed in the room and if they could hear anything, it would have only been the one side. I don't know if their calls were restricted to family members or not, but who knows what they were being told or offered from whoever they were talking to.

What were your rules about outside communications? Also, I'd be interested in knowing if you all really didn't discuss anything before you were supposed to. I think that would be really hard to do, especially in this case where crazy things kept happening.

This is an EXCELLENT article, which you can probably relate to, about what happens with sequestered juries. I'd be like to hear your thoughts on it in relation to your service.

http://www.thedailybeast....think.html

jone70 said:

Serena said:

Well, I'm not sure if the 'Sunshine Law' that Florida has makes a difference, but there was NOTHING that the jury had which wasn't a matter of public record.

I wasn't saying the OS were the evidence, but the answer to their 'theory'. If you don't know what the evidence and testimony was, how can you come to an educated conclusion? Since this was a circumstantial evidence case, it's all the pieces put together, there isn't ONE piece that proves what you're asking.

To me, that leaves room for reasonable doubt.

If there is reasonable doubt then she cannot be found guilty of the charges posted earlier in the thread (pre-meditated first-degree murder).

Have you ever served on a jury?

Yes, but it wasn't anything of this magnitude and I also followed the Judge's instructions.

Reasonable doubt is not 'any doubt' and it's not based on speculation or imaginary theories.

MrSoulpower said:

jone70 said:

To me, that leaves room for reasonable doubt.

If there is reasonable doubt then she cannot be found guilty of the charges posted earlier in the thread (pre-meditated first-degree murder).

Have you ever served on a jury?

I doubt it, and I hope she never will.

Nothing against Serena, her passion is admirable, but her lack of objective judgment is troublesome for jury duty.

That's rich coming from you who has come to their conclusion just by 'watching the news', which certainly couldn't give you the same objectivity as actually watching the entire trial (which is available for viewing on WFTV.com). I'm not sure which news you watched or how often, but getting sound-bites doesn't give you enough information.

I have served on a jury and I served well. Even though it was just a one-day DUI case, we took a few hours to deliberate and actually followed the law and instructions unlike some other jurors.

[Edited 7/8/11 22:45pm]

SUPRMAN said:

Serena said:

I forgot to reply to this, in court, they did superimpose the tape over a picture of Caylee and it showed how it would have fit.

As the ME said, there's NO reason for duct tape to be across the face of a child, except to keep them quiet or intentionally suffocate them.

[Edited 7/7/11 8:28am]

Thanx

Agreed.

But we don't know if the intent was to silence her or kill her. There is no known cause of death so we can't say the tape killed her. We can't even say who placed the tape over her mouth for sure.

I don't know how else I can explain it, the cause of death WAS DETERMINED TO BE HOMICIDE by the Medical Examiner. You do NOT have to prove the manner of death, nor should it have been considered for finding guilt. People are convicted all the time without anyone knowing how they killed someone, sometimes it's NEVER known, but their asses are still in prison.

Serena said:

I haven't read all the way through the thread yet, so don't know if this info has already been posted, but Casey was served with a subpoena the other night for the defamation suit from Zenaida Gonzalez.

She will be deposed on the 19th and it will be recorded and maybe broadcast live on forthepeople.com . She has some other lawyer for this case, but Baez may slime on over to it. She'll have to answer a lot of questions that she won't want to and can't plead the 5th now.

She's also facing a $60-70k lien from the IRS on the $200k she and Baez received back in October from ABC for the pictures/videos of Caylee. Baez didn't take care of the taxes on it because he probably thought she'd never get out!

The search team that Cindy called for help, when A LOT of people traveled to Florida and spent hundreds of hours looking for Caylee will be filing suit against her to recover their costs.

The State has already filed against her to recover investigative and other costs, but has 60 days to get the numbers together.

Oops, forgot one more; Jessie Grund and his family will probably be suing her for defamation also after they accused him of killing Caylee at one point. (this was the guy she fingered as the father until paternity test proved her wrong, but she was pregnant before she slept with him)

[Edited 7/8/11 22:50pm]

N this even if she never wanted to will force her to write a book and go the media route. Its the only way to pay the debts that have magically appeared. Everyone is in it for the coin, and the seething public will go to the fountain and gorge themselves.

lazycrockett said:

Aslo going back to what I was saying last night how do 2 dotting grandparents go a month without seeing or talking to their granddaughter?? 3 or 4 days maybe but after that and being told that caylee is staying at the nanny's and other stories one would become suspicious and either go find her or all the police. The family has issues/secrets.

Cindy was calling Casey almost every day wanting to see Caylee and it was highly unusual for them to not see her for so long. Cindy was going to be on vacation during one of those weeks and wanted to have Caylee while she was off. Each time they talked, it was a different excuse, Caylee was with the nanny at Busch Gardens, they were both in Jacksonville, they were hanging out with some guy who supposedly had a kid for Caylee to play with (real guy, but has no kid nor had he spoken to Casey since high school), blahblahblah.

All of that is documented by testimony and/or depositions and the calls going back and forth were in the ping/call reports, along with Casey's REAL location(s). IIRC, during the 'Jacksonville trip', she told Cindy they were delayed again because 'Zanny' was in a wreck and in the hospital, so she was going to stay with her there. Lo and behold, the next day, Casey turned up at home (ALONE) when she didn't know Cindy was there. Surpriiiise! Her excuse that time was that she had come back to get insurance papers and that Caylee was still in Jacksonville, but that they'd be back in a day or two (they weren't).

After the parents found out the car had been towed and sitting in a yard, when she was supposedly going all these places, Cindy went and got one of Casey's friends (Amy, who filed the fraud/theft charges that Casey was convicted of - six felonies) to help her find Casey. She was taken to the the new boyfriend's apt (who would not let Caylee spend the night there with them) and she made Casey leave with her then, wanting her to take her to wherever Caylee was. When she couldn't do that, that's when the police were called.

HotGritz said:

Why should anyone have to wait 2 days to report a child is missing and 1 whole day to report the child being murdered? WTF? Did I read that right?

Why is there a sign with the word "abortion" on it? Those folk in Oklahoma be smoking some chronic type shit.

Actually, those were the protesters at the courthouse the next day when folks thought she might be released.

The significance of the heart on the duct tape on that guy; FBI forensic person noticed some adhesive residue in the shape of a heart on the duct tape while she was processing it. After she was finished with her process, she called her supervisor (or a co-worker, can't recall) to come photograph it. But by then it was no longer visible due to the previous steps she had done. Their procedures have now been changed due to that happening.

Sheets of heart stickers were found during the search of Caylee's room and one was missing the sticker. There was also a 'puffy' heart sticker found a little way away from remains but none like that were found in the home.

TonyVanDam said:

Serena said:

I don't know why you think the jury knows more than anyone else, that just not true. In fact, 'the interested public' knows more than she/they did because not all of the Discovery and other info was admitted into evidence, but was used in the investigation. I've also read Sidebar transcripts which the jury wouldn't have had access to. I (and a bazillion others) saw and heard EVERYTHING that she did because I watched the live stream every day and saw all the same testimony and evidence she did.

I can't believe the stuff she says, they're not supposed to figure out how or why she died, they're not supposed to be investigators. She was worried about taking someone else's life, that wasn't supposed to come into her thoughts AT ALL when she was deliberating the 'guilt phase'.

If Casey's parents were involved in the killing, do you think Casey would have sat in jail for 3 years without implicating them while still keeping up the kidnapping story? If they knew what had happened, why would her mother have called the cops in a panic saying the car smelled like there'd been a dead body in it? (see post below for links to audio)

Casey could have got her baby killing ass up on that stand and told 'the truth' if it wasn't her, but she didn't do that, did she?

[Edited 7/7/11 3:11am]

I know for a fact that Jennifer Ford knows more than you & I because she was the juror for that case, NOT one of us. Period.

That may be true in regards to yourself, who obviously knows NONE of the evidence in this case, but is NOT true about me.

The only thing the jury had access to that EVERYONE IN THE WORLD with Internet access didn't, is the unaltered recovery site photos. And I obviously paid more attention to the evidence than she did. There is also more than 27,000 pages of Discovery available to anyone who cares to look.

The only other things that are sealed in this case are the shrinks' exams of Casey. Some media are even filing Sunshine Law requests to get the jurors identities. Not much is kept in the dark due to that law.

[Edited 7/9/11 0:03am]

Another bit of evidence that the jury ignored: there were 'coffin flies' and maggots in the trunk:

snipped from http://www.clickorlando.c...etail.html

"...Haskell said he found foreign flies and larvae that are commonly found in cases of human or animal decomposition. He has called them “coffin flies” in the past.“We found a number of adults, 15 or 20 adults,” Haskell said.

Haskell said an abundance of larvae and a few adult flies were found in paper towels from the trash bag, leading him to conclude that the paper towel had been used to wipe decompositional fluids.

Haskell said the entomological evidence found in the trunk indicated that a body had been in the trunk of Anthony's car and removed within days."At the time of death, decomposition begins and it progresses through stages ... there's a progression as the tissues of the body go from one biochemical and change to another, to another and to another through the whole progression of decomposition," Haskell said. "The interesting thing about this, and the insects, is that associated with these different biochemicals and the changes of the biochemicals of the body decomposing, we have different insects coming in and feeding at that particular time.

Haskell said Blow Flies are usually the first insects to arrive at a decomposing body, but as the body decomposes and the biochemistry changes, Blow Flies are no longer interested and other groups of bugs move in. He said he found a Blow Fly leg in a paper towel from the garbage..."

HotGritz said:

Shyra said:

I was thinking the same thing. I heard on the news yesterday that she was going to be released next Wednesday, July 13. Wouldn't it be cathartic if something happended to that ho on that day? Lawd forgive me...

Lawd forgive me too cuz I fo sho want her get hit by a fast moving truck.

One big truck will come as soon as she has to sit for the deposition in the Gonzalez lawsuit scheduled for the 19th.

I'm still working my way down page 4, so I don't know if anyone posted about a tree that was yards away from where the remains were found was hit by lightning yesterday. The gods are not happy!

Serena said:

TonyVanDam said:

I know for a fact that Jennifer Ford knows more than you & I because she was the juror for that case, NOT one of us. Period.

That may be true in regards to yourself, who obviously knows NONE of the evidence in this case, but is NOT true about me.

The only thing the jury had access to that EVERYONE IN THE WORLD with Internet access didn't, is the unaltered recovery site photos. And I obviously paid more attention to the evidence than she did. There is also more than 27,000 pages of Discovery available to anyone who cares to look.

The only other things that are sealed in this case are the shrinks' exams of Casey. Some media are even filing Sunshine Law requests to get the jurors identities. Not much is kept in the dark due to that law.

[Edited 7/9/11 0:03am]

No Serena, you're dead wrong. Unlike Jennifer Ford, you do NOT know all of the facts because you were not a member of that specific jury. Therefore (almost) everything that you have shown in all of you posts in THIS very thread is pure speculations. But keep telling yourself that you know exactly what all 12 jurors did wrong.

HotGritz said:

paniuroczy said:

HotGritz said: Nawwh, she still has a year left in jail because of the lying charges. She was sentenced to four years but was in jail for the past three years therefore has only one year left to go. [Edited 7/8/11 10:53am]

So where are the media whores getting this July 13th date from? I initially thought she would do another year also but then there was all this "good time" calculated into her sentence. I don't even know what "good time" is. You're supposed to behave while you're locked up.

She was convicted of 6 felony fraud/theft charges, so the Judge had to figure out time served on those and also the 'lying to law enforcement' charges. She also received 1 yr probation on the fraud, but in Florida, that can be served while you're in jail... that's a real effective probation! sheesh.

She and Baez got in trouble/censured for crap they were pulling in the jail (the shared licorice incident). She was also caught sending notes back and forth to other inmates. That's what a good girl she was...

TonyVanDam said:

Serena said:

That may be true in regards to yourself, who obviously knows NONE of the evidence in this case, but is NOT true about me.

The only thing the jury had access to that EVERYONE IN THE WORLD with Internet access didn't, is the unaltered recovery site photos. And I obviously paid more attention to the evidence than she did. There is also more than 27,000 pages of Discovery available to anyone who cares to look.

The only other things that are sealed in this case are the shrinks' exams of Casey. Some media are even filing Sunshine Law requests to get the jurors identities. Not much is kept in the dark due to that law.

[Edited 7/9/11 0:03am]

No Serena, you're dead wrong. Unlike Jennifer Ford, you do NOT know all of the facts because you were not a member of that specific jury. Therefore (almost) everything that you have shown in all of you posts in THIS very thread is pure speculations. But keep telling yourself that you know exactly what all 12 jurors did wrong.

Ok, whatever. Actually, I'm the one posting FACTS as opposed to speculation. I don't know how many times I have to say that I watched as 300+ pieces of the evidence were admitted during the trial. The SAME things that the jury heard were admitted, the only difference is they could physically touch them, but they didn't even go through the evidence during deliberations.

THE JURY HAD NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR EVIDENCE AVAILABLE TO THEM THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO LEARN ABOUT, BESIDES WHAT I NOTED IN ANOTHER POST.

If you don't believe me, write Judge Perry and ask him if there was anything not presented during open court.

Maybe the disconnect is coming because some of you don't understand that every piece of evidence had to be testified to or stipulated as true by both sides before it could be entered. Thus, EVERYONE watching the trial knows exactly what was admitted.

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Serena said:

SUPRMAN said:

Thanx

Agreed.

But we don't know if the intent was to silence her or kill her. There is no known cause of death so we can't say the tape killed her. We can't even say who placed the tape over her mouth for sure.

I don't know how else I can explain it, the cause of death WAS DETERMINED TO BE HOMICIDE by the Medical Examiner. You do NOT have to prove the manner of death, nor should it have been considered for finding guilt. People are convicted all the time without anyone knowing how they killed someone, sometimes it's NEVER known, but their asses are still in prison.

I understand what the medical examiner said, but the trial said otherwise. No one during the trial could say how the child died. So how do we know it was homicide if there is no known cause of death? She could have died in her sleep. Calling it a homicide due to the presence of duct tape is an impossible reach. Even with threee pieces of tape, we don't know the child couldn't still breathe.

I agree you do not necessarily have to prove the manner of death in a murder trial.

But if there is no known cause of death, how can it be known that the death was a homicide?

The medical examiner was simply wrong because they could not substantiate that at trial.

Serena said:

HotGritz said:

Lawd forgive me too cuz I fo sho want her get hit by a fast moving truck.

One big truck will come as soon as she has to sit for the deposition in the Gonzalez lawsuit scheduled for the 19th.

I'm still working my way down page 4, so I don't know if anyone posted about a tree that was yards away from where the remains were found was hit by lightning yesterday. The gods are not happy!

Yards away? Were they drunk?

SUPRMAN said:

Serena said:

One big truck will come as soon as she has to sit for the deposition in the Gonzalez lawsuit scheduled for the 19th.

I'm still working my way down page 4, so I don't know if anyone posted about a tree that was yards away from where the remains were found was hit by lightning yesterday. The gods are not happy!

Yards away? Were they drunk?

It's considered 'Caylee's tree' by the people who leave stuff at the memorial site. Also, I guess I should've specified that is is a couple of yards away, not 10 or 20.

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HotGritz said:

I have no problem wishing harm on evil people. Jesus will forgive Casey. Not me.

Jesus won't even take that babykilling bitch, but the debil sure will!

HotGritz said:

paniuroczy said:

Wishing for someone to receive justice by the law by staying in prison for life or even by facing the death penalty is different from wishing for someone to get hit by a truck or to be harmed in any other way. The bitch deserves a lot of terrible things but I can't wish that on her because it's just not my place to do that. I understand that it's natural and totally understandable to feel that way towards people like this but that doesn't make it right. It's never profitable to harbor such feelings. It's so easy to wish her death but I don't want to have negative wishes towards her wellbeing. Hatred and these types of thoughts are so energy draining and poisonous they might come back to bite you.

Whatever. I'll let the universe deal with her.

I take issue with how we define justice at times. As it stands, Casey did received justice because she had her trial and was found not guilty. Based on that alone, none of us should be upset. However, our gut instincts and common sense and the evidence that has been presented tell us that justice was not served. Also, given how some prisons are run we cannot say that being locked up is truly justice. On the one hand we say prison is too easy because people are afforded food/clothing/shelter/education/exercise/television & music and on the other hand we say its too harsh because people have been known to get beaten and killed in prison. What I am saying is that to be uncomfortable about someone else's reaction and to give that kind of smug "you're no better" response is just ridiculous. Not saying that's how you are acting of course but merely having a disgussion.

BINGO! Unfortunately, common sense was not used by the jurors in this case.