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Reply #30 posted 12/29/09 4:16pm

Mach

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Those that said "no", have you even seen it?

I haven't yet. I tried last week but it was sold out. I'm gonna try again New Year's day.



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Reply #31 posted 12/29/09 4:40pm

nurseV

Seen it AND YES IT IS! stunning movie
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Reply #32 posted 12/29/09 4:40pm

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No. It was the biggest disappointment of the year, by far. Yes, it looked pretty. But the plot was so terrible that I felt cheated. It was completely full of stereotypes:

Scientists = nerdy but awesome!
Government/military = heartless and greedy!
Hero = just a grunt with nothing to lose
Natives = Primitive but in touch with nature, but still in need to help from an outsider to survive rolleyes

It was a huge exercise in white guilt (and to a lesser extent, Western guilt), which isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, when such an exercise is coupled with continued patronization of the previous targets of such guilt, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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Reply #33 posted 12/29/09 4:45pm

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I watch alot of sci-fi and this movie though long-is great smile People can never give props to something good neutral
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Reply #34 posted 12/29/09 4:51pm

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I watch alot of sci-fi and this movie though long-is great smile People can never give props to something good neutral


That's not true! I was hoping to love it, and I've loved James Cameron movies before (Aliens is in my top 3 of all-time), but I was shocked by how bad this was.
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Reply #35 posted 12/29/09 4:54pm

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Moonbeam said:

nurseV said:

I watch alot of sci-fi and this movie though long-is great smile People can never give props to something good neutral


That's not true! I was hoping to love it, and I've loved James Cameron movies before (Aliens is in my top 3 of all-time), but I was shocked by how bad this was.



It was just long, but as Mach said there are alot of underlying issues in the movie that people ignore and that's what makes it great wink and folks know they like floating mountains and Jelly's lol
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Reply #36 posted 12/29/09 4:56pm

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nurseV said:

Moonbeam said:



That's not true! I was hoping to love it, and I've loved James Cameron movies before (Aliens is in my top 3 of all-time), but I was shocked by how bad this was.



It was just long, but as Mach said there are alot of underlying issues in the movie that people ignore and that's what makes it great wink and folks know they like floating mountains and Jelly's lol


What are the underlying issues?

Visually, it was impressive- I'll give it that. But I was insulted by the storyline.
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Reply #37 posted 12/29/09 4:59pm

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Moonbeam said:

nurseV said:




It was just long, but as Mach said there are alot of underlying issues in the movie that people ignore and that's what makes it great wink and folks know they like floating mountains and Jelly's lol


What are the underlying issues?

Visually, it was impressive- I'll give it that. But I was insulted by the storyline.


Oh just little things like war, racism, etc lol Yeah the story could have been better, but that movie is gonna win every award and deservingly wink
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Reply #38 posted 12/29/09 5:02pm

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nurseV said:

Moonbeam said:



What are the underlying issues?

Visually, it was impressive- I'll give it that. But I was insulted by the storyline.


Oh just little things like war, racism, etc lol Yeah the story could have been better, but that movie is gonna win every award and deservingly wink


I know that James Cameron tried to address these issues, but I feel that he did it in a clumsy, predictable way with the subtlety of a hand grenade. Worse, I feel like all of the characters were one-dimensional, and even worse, completely stereotypical. The way the Navi are depicted as a race in touch with nature yet primitive and in need of help from an outsider left me disgusted. I was ready to adore this movie, but I just think he missed the mark.
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Reply #39 posted 12/29/09 5:03pm

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Nay! Looks great, 3D and all that shit..but the story line was...eh
My vote goes to District 9!


That I loved!
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Reply #40 posted 12/29/09 5:07pm

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Another piece of Hollywood garbage.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #41 posted 12/29/09 5:07pm

nurseV

Moonbeam said:

nurseV said:



Oh just little things like war, racism, etc lol Yeah the story could have been better, but that movie is gonna win every award and deservingly wink


I know that James Cameron tried to address these issues, but I feel that he did it in a clumsy, predictable way with the subtlety of a hand grenade. Worse, I feel like all of the characters were one-dimensional, and even worse, completely stereotypical. The way the Navi are depicted as a race in touch with nature yet primitive and in need of help from an outsider left me disgusted. I was ready to adore this movie, but I just think he missed the mark.



Well, he tried to address them and that's more than you get from most of these movies today. He got my $24.00 and I'm glad I went to see the movie-slow storyline or not. It's never easy to address these issues anyway neutral I guess folks don't even wanna talk about them in a movie format either neutral
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Reply #42 posted 12/29/09 5:19pm

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nurseV said:

Moonbeam said:



I know that James Cameron tried to address these issues, but I feel that he did it in a clumsy, predictable way with the subtlety of a hand grenade. Worse, I feel like all of the characters were one-dimensional, and even worse, completely stereotypical. The way the Navi are depicted as a race in touch with nature yet primitive and in need of help from an outsider left me disgusted. I was ready to adore this movie, but I just think he missed the mark.



Well, he tried to address them and that's more than you get from most of these movies today. He got my $24.00 and I'm glad I went to see the movie-slow storyline or not. It's never easy to address these issues anyway neutral I guess folks don't even wanna talk about them in a movie format either neutral


Not true at all! I LOVE Sci Fi when it serves as an allegory for real-life problems! Future dystopia films form probably my favorite genre of movies- films like Aliens, District 9, 1984, Blade Runner, Jurassic Park, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Night of the Living Dead/Dawn of the Dead, etc. are some of my all-time favorite films.

I was really excited for Avatar to potentially join their ranks.
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Reply #43 posted 12/29/09 5:34pm

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Nay! Looks great, 3D and all that shit..but the story line was...eh
My vote goes to District 9!

that movie was totally overlooked here, nobody I speak to has even heard of it!
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Reply #44 posted 12/29/09 9:00pm

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Nay. A bit uninteresting and too much furry service. Not even the best sci-fi this year (District 9, Moon, Star Trek, Hunter Prey, Franklyn). But the last half hour was glorious.
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Reply #45 posted 12/30/09 8:48pm

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furry service


lol what is that?
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Reply #46 posted 12/30/09 8:59pm

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ZombieKitten said:

spacedolphin said:

furry service


lol what is that?


Furries are a subculture who fetishize over anthropomorphic creatures. A furry is harmless in their obsession usually, but some of them wish they could - how shall I say - go for a ride in Noah's Ark.
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Reply #47 posted 12/30/09 9:00pm

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ZombieKitten said:



lol what is that?


Furries are a subculture who fetishize over anthropomorphic creatures. A furry is harmless in their obsession usually, but some of them wish they could - how shall I say - go for a ride in Noah's Ark.

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Reply #48 posted 12/30/09 9:04pm

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Nay.
Visually, yes.
Over-all as a movie? The greatest? even new greatest?
What is 'new greatest?'
But the story is too weak.
It's only visually engaging.
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Reply #49 posted 12/30/09 9:08pm

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ernestsewell said:

TonyVanDam said:

The fictional love story that was added to Titanic was a selling point. But I was only interested in watching the true story of how the ship sink.

The true story? As if nothing was embellished? I think the technical side of things is what was more true, as the love story and those characters were totally fictional. It really was just a CGI film. I mean, we knew how it was going to end, so let's get to the end and watch the CGI. It was very well done for 1997. The CGI realm was really starting to blossom at that time, with Lucas having just released the redone Star Wars films and the prequelology coming out soon, Hollywood was truly getting creative for once and making some visually stunning stuff. Titanic was part of that. Cameron was truly obsessed w/ ship wrecks and the Titanic specifically. There were a couple of specials on Discovery|HD with him doing wreck dives and exploring things, including the Titanic. It's probably why he hasn't made a movie since Titanic.

I was resist to seeing 'Titanic' and didn't go see it in a theater until it topped $400 million. Then I had to see what was going on. If it's on cable, if I stop on it, anywhere in the movie, I just start watching. Visually well done, it picks up once we get to the iceberg. Then it becomes an action movie.
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Reply #50 posted 12/30/09 9:11pm

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ernestsewell said:

scififilmnerd said:

I read that if Avatar did well at the box office, James Cameron would like to make a sequel. But I really didn't see anything in the movie to explore in a sequel. confused

And given his track record, that won't be until 2021.

I see a sequel in two years.
We know this isn't over. The Na'vi now have access to the store of human knowledge (but I wouldn't be surprised if the the sequel writers miss this fact of their world . . .)in one man's brain, who knows how we fight.
You know the U.S. Marines aren't just going to take a whoopin' and just go home.
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Reply #51 posted 12/30/09 9:12pm

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ernestsewell said:

MacDaddy said:

Nay! Looks great, 3D and all that shit..but the story line was...eh
My vote goes to District 9!

Now THAT was an awesome movie. Very unexpected for me.

Hear! Hear!
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Reply #52 posted 12/30/09 9:14pm

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ernestsewell said:

MacDaddy said:



At times I laughed my arse off, but I seemed to be the only one in the theater who thought it was funny though

I was just glad it wasn't a typical alien movie. There was a lot of blatant, and subtle, political overtones and messages in it, especially based on Apartheid.



Its about the Prawns man !!!!
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Reply #53 posted 12/30/09 9:15pm

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oldpurple said:

ernestsewell said:


I was just glad it wasn't a typical alien movie. There was a lot of blatant, and subtle, political overtones and messages in it, especially based on Apartheid.



Its about the Prawns man !!!!

Yep!
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Reply #54 posted 12/30/09 9:16pm

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nurseV said:

I watch alot of sci-fi and this movie though long-is great smile People can never give props to something good neutral

Visually, it's flawless but it's brainless and empty. That's what people don't like.
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Reply #55 posted 12/30/09 9:18pm

ZombieKitten

oldpurple said:

ernestsewell said:


I was just glad it wasn't a typical alien movie. There was a lot of blatant, and subtle, political overtones and messages in it, especially based on Apartheid.



Its about the Prawns man !!!!

falloff yeah
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Reply #56 posted 12/30/09 9:18pm

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nurseV said:

Moonbeam said:



What are the underlying issues?

Visually, it was impressive- I'll give it that. But I was insulted by the storyline.


Oh just little things like war, racism, etc lol Yeah the story could have been better, but that movie is gonna win every award and deservingly wink

Only technical awards.
It is not eligible for 'Best Picture.' (Starting with the script. The Academy would never embarrass itself like that!)
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Reply #57 posted 12/31/09 8:01pm

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What the....???

This movies is basically the movie Princess Mononoke - which is a wicked movie.
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Reply #58 posted 12/31/09 8:47pm

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JustErin said:

What the....???

This movies is basically the movie Princess Mononoke - which is a wicked movie.


That's what I said in the other Avatar thread. smile
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Reply #59 posted 12/31/09 9:43pm

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sextonseven said:

JustErin said:

What the....???

This movies is basically the movie Princess Mononoke - which is a wicked movie.


That's what I said in the other Avatar thread. smile


Oh, oops. Missed that...at least great minds think alike. biggrin
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