2 men guilty of injecting 14 with HIV
All victims tested positive after being drugged, assaulted at a sex party
The Associated Press

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A Dutch court convicted two men Wednesday for attempting to infect 14 victims with HIV in a bizarre sex case.

The Groningen District Court found the two guilty of severe assault for injecting semiconscious men with HIV-infected blood at sex parties between January 2006 and May 2007.

Peter M., 49, who was also convicted of rape, was sentenced to nine years in prison and Hans J., 39, received a five-year sentence. Under Dutch privacy laws, the surnames of convicted criminals are not released.

Prosecutors said they would appeal for higher sentences.

"By committing these acts, (Peter M.) has shown himself to have a serious lack of respect for the rights of others," the three-judge panel's written ruling said. "While he knew from his own experience what far-reaching consequences are tied to an infection with HIV, he repeatedly attempted to bring this same hurt to others."

Prosecutors had argued that the two men, along with a third who was acquitted of major charges, had drugged the 14 victims and intentionally infected them.

But in Wednesday's ruling, judges said while the victims all had HIV, it could not be proven that they were infected by the injections because they willingly took part in orgies where gay men had unprotected sex.

The judges also said allegations the victims were given GHB, known as a "date rape" drug, were also unproven.

The suspects were not charged with attempted murder since Dutch courts have held that HIV is a chronic illness rather than an inevitably fatal one.

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String em up

good lord ...

What the fuck is wrong with people? Ugh.

I don't usually post these downer stories, but this shit blew me away.

I think it's disappointing that they don't consider it attempted murder.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

The courts there have ruled that HIV is just a chronic illness (like diabetes or arthritis) and not a fatal one.

Which doesn't make sense to me.

dang!!!

PurpleRighteous1 said:

what can't i see as hiv positive that i can't see as a hiv negative person?

ehuffnsd said:

I think PurpleRighteous1 was referring to the probability of a shorter life than a life without HIV/AIDS.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

that's dutch law for you

FunkMistress said:

there's better ways to word it. i became postive at 19. i more than likely will live to 60. this isn't the 80s anymore people.

ehuffnsd said:

Well it is possible that some of these people may die or be too ill (mainly the latter) to see their children get married or graduate or have children. Some people can get cancer or hit by a bus or have a brain anyeurism (sp?) and die just as well, but for the most part, if you live your life well you can expect to see all of these things and these assholes have kind of ripped that sense of certainty away from them.
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ehuffnsd said:

Understood. Thanks for your input.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

but if their gay men going to bareback orgies the likely hood that they will have children propably isn't very high.

ehuffnsd said:

In all seriousness, though, there are plenty of married fathers going to gay bareback orgies.

FunkMistress said:

trust me i know. i routinelly get hit on some site by a guy who is married and have kids. it's a shame people still feel the pressure to get married.

ehuffnsd said:

No, it's not. That being said you probably could have lived till your 80's or 90's...

CarrieLee said:

i refuse to look back and say what if i had never serroconverted. for 8 years i've had to live HIV and what it means to me and to others. life span for most men now is 75, so i'm not that far off.

while i don't encourage others to become positive it bothers me to see people say oh those poor poz people they're going to die. well i have news for you we're all going to die. the only difference is i have a better idea of what is going to do me in and i know i only have this life to live.

ehuffnsd said:

The point of this thread, though, isn't a pity party for the poor poz people (say that ten times fast!). It's people who deliberately made the choice to infect people without their awareness. Can anyone say that's a good thing??

Eric i am glad to see your fighting spirit on this matter!! Best of luck to you!!

The animals who did this are sick!!! How can they live with themselves??? This makes no sense to me at all!! They should be drawn and quartered for this crap!!

People are weird. I still wish we had the scarlet letter for these peeps. On their foreheads.

ehuffnsd said:

I admire your positive attitude (no pun intended)...I'm not giving a pity party for you, I just think it's disgusting that someone did this. While you can live longer than you could in the 80's...most will get very ill and it's not fair. Yes we all die, but being intentionally infected is fucked up and these people should have had a harsher sentence.

Shit like this makes me want to go find a cave in some remote wilderness to get away from the madness....

CarrieLee said:

i agree with i only question it when people say stuff like this about the guys who are postive:



that's what has me in a tailspin.

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CarrieLee said:

Eric, i have not told you in a while but i love you my brother

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CarrieLee said:

I understand what you are saying. In all actuality they just aren't educated enough about it. They hear bits and pieces and don't realize HIV positive people can live normal lives these days. I don't think it's a malicious statement...just a little ignorant.

CarrieLee said:

i know. thank you for calming me down.

mdiver said:

ehuffnsd said:

Hey at least after they read this they will be more educated, right?