SeventeenDayze said:

Cinny said:

If you are looking into how much an artist is actually devoted to it, you shouldn't call it appropriation. And no one said he is better than anyone else, he simply sells more.

I hear what you're saying but how do you even measure "devotion"? This guy basically "borrows" from certain black artists (he makes it a little less "black") and then he's off to the races to appease a certain demographic. Again, someone explain to me why nobody clapped when Timberlake made his entrance into the BET awards during Charlie Wilson's tribute?

How many whites will be at the Essence Festival?

so this dosen't look familiar to you?

of course your gona blame my comprehension skills because denial is the first weapon of choice to you and YOU only.

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FunkyD said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I hear what you're saying but how do you even measure "devotion"? This guy basically "borrows" from certain black artists (he makes it a little less "black") and then he's off to the races to appease a certain demographic. Again, someone explain to me why nobody clapped when Timberlake made his entrance into the BET awards during Charlie Wilson's tribute?

How many whites will be at the Essence Festival?

so this dosen't look familiar to you?

of course your gona blame my comprehension skills because denial is the first weapon of choice to you and YOU only.

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Truth hurts, don't it? Nice attempt to throw your vitriol back at me but whatever. This kind of appropriation (and the subsequent denial) has been in the music industy and Planet Earth for a very long time.

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SeventeenDayze said:

FunkyD said:

so this dosen't look familiar to you?

of course your gona blame my comprehension skills because denial is the first weapon of choice to you and YOU only.

[Edited 5/27/14 0:03am]

Truth hurts, don't it? Nice attempt to throw your vitriol back at me but whatever. This kind of appropriation (and the subsequent denial) has been in the music industy and Planet Earth for a very long time.

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I think it's cute how you tried to convince people that he dosen't have a black fanbase by lying about his BET entrance. goes to show how much honestly there is in your posts.

You're either a troll or just plain du__ i'll let you fill in the blank

have fun, i'm done here

peace out

[Edited 5/27/14 11:55am]

Oh well, maybe you could improve your reading comprehension skills by taking some classes at the local library. Ask the librarian if they have any memoirs of Pat Boone lingering around

SeventeenDayze said:

Oh well, maybe you could improve your reading comprehension skills by taking some classes at the local library. Ask the librarian if they have any memoirs of Pat Boone lingering around

improve my reading skills for what? to know how dull your posts are?

don't worry i already have a clear idea about that. THe fact that you still

believe JT considers himself to be on MJ's level tells me you're not a very bright person.

Your problem is deeper than just reading comprehension skills.

I hope you've been a troll

this entire thread. I refuse to believe anyone serious would post the way you do..

act your age not your shoe size

thanks bye

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BlaqueKnight said:

FunkyD said:

How can an artist who wears his influences on his sleeves appropriate a genre? Y'all really think he's gona make people forget about MJ and Stevie Wonder?

yet you support CB who is far from being exceptional singer.

Most rnb artist aren't creating anything that's groundbreaking enough to influence others. How many artists has Usher influenced? How many artists has CB influenced? Ne-Yo? This is selective outrage.

Him touring with acts like Jay-Z and having number 1 songs on rnb stations leads me to believe he's got a big black fanbase. If you went to a CB concert i'm sure 95% of fans there would be female fans. That dosen'T mean he dosen'T have a big male following!

JT wants to be famous.. So what? THis is again selective outrage . Which artist dosen't want to be famous?

and Beyonce ain't got something going for her with her looks?

If CB was ugly would he be as successful as he is? A lot of artists got something going for them

ANd being white isn't necessarly an advantage in this genre because of stereotypes.. How many white artists before JT were this successful in this genre before him. The fact is he earned his stripes by dropping greats albums after great albums to be approved.

and what do you say about black athletes like Tiger Woods who have become dominant forces in their respective sports full of white athletes. (not asking this question to you specifically but to anyone in this thread)

Tiger Woods has become the face of golfing..

He's black he shouldn't be a successful golfer? this is nonsense

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Dude, at the end of it all, the real R&B community is never going to sing the praises of this mediocre jackass. He is not going to get white boy points. Chris Brown has his flaws but he's a better singer and dancer than JT and there is plenty of proof of that on youtube. Do your research.

Its not about the oversimplification you are trying to reduce it to. Its not just some random white guy who likes R&B and wants to sing it and the big bad black community is stopping him. That's an outright misrepresentation. He has done that. Nobody stopped him. Its abut the mainstream pop cummunity appropriating a genre and expecting everyone to accept them as best when they aren't. When Justin can rock the stage with Maxwell, Rubben, Eric Benet, Anthony Hamilton and the like, then we can talk about giving him props. Ain't nobody gonna just accept that wack ass pop bullshit he does as proper R&B and declare him king. He's not good enough. He DID NOT have the best R&B record to come out last year. Te awards are given to him by mainstreamers and he is supported by his pop fans. Nobody has to put up with his delusions of grandeur. Robin Thicke is the same way. Dude believes he's much better than he is.

Don't try to make it out to be all white singers because its not. Its just that these pop tart ass fools trying to pass themselves off as R&B singers is a running joke in the community. Ain't nobody buying that shit. All of those boiught and aid for awards don't mean a damn thing. They are still R&B lite. All of that other stuff is irrelevant. This is a music forum. I could care less about Tiger Woods, sports figures, etc. FOCUS.

So basically it doesn't matter how BLACK his band is (the NPG last tour) or how BLACK Timbaland is.. it can't help his non-R&B voice?

Cinny said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Dude, at the end of it all, the real R&B community is never going to sing the praises of this mediocre jackass. He is not going to get white boy points. Chris Brown has his flaws but he's a better singer and dancer than JT and there is plenty of proof of that on youtube. Do your research.

Its not about the oversimplification you are trying to reduce it to. Its not just some random white guy who likes R&B and wants to sing it and the big bad black community is stopping him. That's an outright misrepresentation. He has done that. Nobody stopped him. Its abut the mainstream pop cummunity appropriating a genre and expecting everyone to accept them as best when they aren't. When Justin can rock the stage with Maxwell, Rubben, Eric Benet, Anthony Hamilton and the like, then we can talk about giving him props. Ain't nobody gonna just accept that wack ass pop bullshit he does as proper R&B and declare him king. He's not good enough. He DID NOT have the best R&B record to come out last year. Te awards are given to him by mainstreamers and he is supported by his pop fans. Nobody has to put up with his delusions of grandeur. Robin Thicke is the same way. Dude believes he's much better than he is.

Don't try to make it out to be all white singers because its not. Its just that these pop tart ass fools trying to pass themselves off as R&B singers is a running joke in the community. Ain't nobody buying that shit. All of those boiught and aid for awards don't mean a damn thing. They are still R&B lite. All of that other stuff is irrelevant. This is a music forum. I could care less about Tiger Woods, sports figures, etc. FOCUS.

So basically it doesn't matter how BLACK his band is (the NPG last tour) or how BLACK Timbaland is.. it can't help his non-R&B voice?

So are you suggesting that this issue just boils down to the band? Is this an attempt to move the goalposts? Just saying....

SeventeenDayze said:

Cinny said:

So basically it doesn't matter how BLACK his band is (the NPG last tour) or how BLACK Timbaland is.. it can't help his non-R&B voice?

So are you suggesting that this issue just boils down to the band? Is this an attempt to move the goalposts? Just saying....

Don't get defensive. No, I am asking BlaqueKnight how he hears Justin's music, but I realize *I* mainly focus on production and the backing tracks most often, and I don't think one can deny they sound purely R&B. But maybe he doesn't hear it the same way. Maybe it all sounds pop to him, or it's the wrong approach. Maybe the backing tracks are perfect but he doesn't feel Timberlake's white voice. Just trying to figure out what he hears because I've been reading his posts for years!

I have heard similar arguments about tracks being "wasted" on certain voices.

Cinny said:

SeventeenDayze said:

So are you suggesting that this issue just boils down to the band? Is this an attempt to move the goalposts? Just saying....

Don't get defensive. No, I am asking BlaqueKnight how he hears Justin's music, but I realize *I* mainly focus on production and the backing tracks most often, and I don't think one can deny they sound purely R&B. But maybe he doesn't hear it the same way. Maybe it all sounds pop to him, or it's the wrong approach. Maybe the backing tracks are perfect but he doesn't feel Timberlake's white voice. Just trying to figure out what he hears because I've been reading his posts for years!

I have heard similar arguments about tracks being "wasted" on certain voices.

What does that mean to waste tracks on certain voices? Who is it getting wasted on? I'm no music industry expert but it seems that Timberlake uses such a massive amount of sound that you can barely hear him actually singing. But, as you eluded to, there are some people who just listen for the beat and they don't care as much about the voice.

@ about 5:15

Justin can sing on par with Ruben Studdard? Have you lost yo damn mind?
You sound like a straight up JT fanboy right now.



Justin can't blow.

As to Chris Brown, his problem is consistency, not ability:



Everyone I named (including Chris) can blow Justin's ass out of the water singing R&B.
I guess you believe that if you can just convince people that this mediocre joker is great, then you can convince people that anyone is great, right? GTFOHWTBS.
I could see you trying to make that point with Robin Thicke, even though it wouldn't hold water, either. At least he can sing live. Justin's whole damn live show is tracked to the hilt. He has a couple of riffs and that's it. He has no spark at all. He just goes through the motions. The best thing about Justin is that he's highly invested in.

His pop act is obviously well-liked on Prince.org. Trying to make any kind of claims that he deserves all of these accolades is simply ridiculous.
You and the rest of the org can have this hack. You proved my point about trying to force him into greatness, though. Thanks for that.


Cinny, its dude's voice. With Timbo on the tracks, they are going to sound R&B no matter what. That's what Timb does. His voice makes his music "pop" in the sense that it is obviously non-ethnic and therefore more appealing to the mainstream masses that have been conditioned to consume pop music on a regular basis. For years, you have seen me type the same thing about Justin. He has had Pharrell and Timberland producing his tracks and he still sounds thin as paper. You can tell he has studied enough to be a C student but his execution is lacking. It always has been. Just because you like something doesn't mean that its great or a milestone accomplishment and I refuse to dishonor all of these other great R&B singers making music by calling this mediocre joker great in any sense of the word. He is not. He has a lot of money behind him and a lot of slick production making him seem greater than he is. As I have said before, a midget standing on the shoulders of a giant. Michael Jackson was already great; they just put money behind him. Justin was never great. Sony is trying to buy the appearance of greatness with Justin. Mike wouldn't have done this song with him if he were still alive. Bieber, either. Its some posthumous bullshit paid for by Sony, who hated MJ after a while.

[Edited 5/27/14 14:18pm]

I think what's going on is that once there are certain opinions posted about Timberlake, a great wind of "let's defend Justin" arises and suddenly there are boatloads of Timberlake fans on the Org. Given that us folks on the Org are united by a musical genius like Prince makes me only slightly surprised that there are accolades placed upon JT, someone who is nowhere near the stratosphere that Prince, Michael and others are in. I think the fact that people defend JT is a reflection of rallying around him simply because he's white. Why is there so much hate and vitriol against black rappers? What's the difference between black rappers and Timberlake?

BlaqueKnight said:

Doing research won't improve CB's voice. He's never been known to be a great singer. Let's be real and put the bias aside for a sec.

Uh, hello? What do you think got Chris so much attention in the beginning? It was his VOICE. He had that MJ flavor but still sounded like himself and was doing contemporary music. I didn't like him at all at first and still don't like some of his songs but its mainly because of the weak production and rapper duets. His voice is not the problem.

and nobody in the rnb world is really influential

Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Luther Vandross, James Brown, R. Kelly, MJ, Prince, D'Angelo (oh yes, he has been influential), Charlie Wilson, Sly Stone…I can go on.
Do you know anything about R&B beyond the pop charts? You are constantly exposing yourself. Just stop.

Even I had to concede that Eric Benet is actually a better singer than Maxwell.
I'm a big admirer of Max's vocals but Eric is the truth. He's proven that.
In his wildest dreams, Justin could not get anywhere close to this:

Justin can sing on par with Ruben Studdard? Have you lost yo damn mind?
You sound like a straight up JT fanboy right now.


Justin can't blow.

As to Chris Brown, his problem is consistency, not ability:
`
Everyone I named (including Chris) can blow Justin's ass out of the water singing R&B.
I guess you believe that if you can just convince people that this mediocre joker is great, then you can convince people that anyone is great, right? GTFOHWTBS.
I could see you trying to make that point with Robin Thicke, even though it wouldn't hold water, either. At least he can sing live. Justin's whole damn live show is tracked to the hilt. He has a couple of riffs and that's it. He has no spark at all. He just goes through the motions. The best thing about Justin is that he's highly invested in.

His pop act is obviously well-liked on Prince.org. Trying to make any kind of claims that he deserves all of these accolades is simply ridiculous.
You and the rest of the org can have this hack. You proved my point about trying to force him into greatness, though. Thanks for that.

[Edited 5/27/14 14:18pm]

I still don't think CB got a strong voice after viewing the video posted

and how do you explain the usage of autotune on some of his songs?

He got no power in his voice

how about falsetto? he got 0 falsetto

You blasted JT for not being an exceptional singer and i dont disagree with that but the same could be said about CB

CB falls in the "pretty good category" as far as i'm concerned. Just like Timberlake.

CB's dancing is what's really outstanding about him to be honest.

As far as influence goes, i was obviously referring to current rnb artists not being influential. You thought i didn't know there are rnb artists who paved the way to others? I've seen you several times blasting JT because he is not influential. How many rnb artists from his era are known to be influential? You could make the same criticism towards just about every rnb artists from his era yet your only pointing fingers at him.

Rubben may be more technical but JT is more versatile. Instead of being an excellent singer in one area of R&B he can be pretty good in at least 3 areas.

He can sound good on a funk number like "sexy lady" then switch it up and sing falsetto with a ballad "Until the end of time" then go MJ mode with "Like i Love you"

Most rnb artists today couldn't keep up with that kind of versatility.

Sure we hear very often some MJ influence in his singing here and there but we're getting more versatility from him than an artist like Trey Songz or Rubben. . and what has Rubben achieved career wise for us to put him in the same sentence as JT? This is ridiculous.

the bottom line is he's more complete package which keeps things interesting for his fans and makes for great albums.
ALso is great singing ALWAYS the number 1 criteria for an rnb artist?

are Keith Sweat, Lionel Richie great singers??

yet they get a pass..

Songwriting and style play a big part too and JT excels in these two areas as well.
also Ne-Yo on breakfast club was asked what he thought about the new MJ song with JT. He said he dug it and gave a shout-out to JT. Why does he get all these co signs from rnb artists and support from black fans if he's a fraud according to some of y'all?

[Edited 5/27/14 23:05pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

Cinny, its dude's voice. With Timbo on the tracks, they are going to sound R&B no matter what. That's what Timb does. His voice makes his music "pop" in the sense that it is obviously non-ethnic and therefore more appealing to the mainstream masses that have been conditioned to consume pop music on a regular basis. For years, you have seen me type the same thing about Justin. He has had Pharrell and Timberland producing his tracks and he still sounds thin as paper. You can tell he has studied enough to be a C student but his execution is lacking. It always has been. Just because you like something doesn't mean that its great or a milestone accomplishment and I refuse to dishonor all of these other great R&B singers making music by calling this mediocre joker great in any sense of the word. He is not. He has a lot of money behind him and a lot of slick production making him seem greater than he is. As I have said before, a midget standing on the shoulders of a giant. Michael Jackson was already great; they just put money behind him. Justin was never great. Sony is trying to buy the appearance of greatness with Justin. Mike wouldn't have done this song with him if he were still alive. Bieber, either. Its some posthumous bullshit paid for by Sony, who hated MJ after a while.

10-4 loud and clear!!!!!

FunkyD said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Luther Vandross, James Brown, R. Kelly, MJ, Prince, D'Angelo (oh yes, he has been influential), Charlie Wilson, Sly Stone…I can go on.
Do you know anything about R&B beyond the pop charts? You are constantly exposing yourself. Just stop.

Even I had to concede that Eric Benet is actually a better singer than Maxwell.
I'm a big admirer of Max's vocals but Eric is the truth. He's proven that.
In his wildest dreams, Justin could not get anywhere close to this:

Justin can sing on par with Ruben Studdard? Have you lost yo damn mind?
You sound like a straight up JT fanboy right now.


Justin can't blow.

As to Chris Brown, his problem is consistency, not ability:
`
Everyone I named (including Chris) can blow Justin's ass out of the water singing R&B.
I guess you believe that if you can just convince people that this mediocre joker is great, then you can convince people that anyone is great, right? GTFOHWTBS.
I could see you trying to make that point with Robin Thicke, even though it wouldn't hold water, either. At least he can sing live. Justin's whole damn live show is tracked to the hilt. He has a couple of riffs and that's it. He has no spark at all. He just goes through the motions. The best thing about Justin is that he's highly invested in.

His pop act is obviously well-liked on Prince.org. Trying to make any kind of claims that he deserves all of these accolades is simply ridiculous.
You and the rest of the org can have this hack. You proved my point about trying to force him into greatness, though. Thanks for that.

[Edited 5/27/14 14:18pm]

I still don't think CB got a strong voice after viewing the video posted

and how do you explain the usage of autotune in some of his songs?

He got no power in his voice

how about falsetto? he got 0 falsetto

You blasted JT for not being an exceptional singer and i dont disagree with that but the same could be said about CB

CB falls in the "pretty good category" as far as i'm concerned. Just like Timberlake.

CB's dancing is what's really outstanding about him to be honest.

As far as influence goes, i was obviously referring to current rnb artists not being influential. You thought i didn't know there are rnb artists who paved the way to others? I've seen you several times blasting JT because he is not influential. How many rnb artists from his era are known to be influential? You could make the same criticism towards just about every rnb artists from his era yet your only pointing fingers at him.

THe singers you mentioned may be more technical but JT wins in terms of versatility. Instead of being an excellent singer in ONE AREA of R&B he can be pretty good in at least 3 areas. and not even Rubben could sing like Eric because he has a different main influence (Donny Hathaway).

JT though can pull off more styles than most of today's rnb artists and that's one of things I appreciate the most about him. He can sound good on a funk number like "sexy lady" then switch it up with a ballad "Until the end of time" then go MJ mode with "Like i Love you"

Most rnb artists today couldn't keep up with that kind of versality.

Sure we hear very often some MJ influence in his singing here and there but we're getting more versality from him than the likes of Eric Benet. the bottom line is he's more complete package which keeps things interesting and makes for better albums whereas a singer like Rubben is more one sided. and what has Rubben achieved career wise for us to put him in the same sentence as JT. This is ridiculous.
ALso is singing ALWAYS the number 1 criteria for an rnb artist?

are Keith Sweat, Lionel Richie great singers??

yet they get a pass..

Songwriting and style play a big part too and JT excels in these two areas as well.
also Ne-Yo on breakfast club was asked what he thought about the new MJ song with JT. He said he dug it and gave a shout-out to JT. Why does he got all these co signs from rnb artists and support from black fans if he's a fraud according to some of y'all?

[Edited 5/27/14 20:17pm]

So Neyo pays a complement and now JT has "street cred"? Besides, was Neyo supposed to say what he really feels under it all? Get real...

SeventeenDayze said:

So Neyo pays a complement and now JT has "street cred"? Besides, was Neyo supposed to say what he really feels under it all? Get real...

This is the only part that you respond to?

it's an indication that he respects what he's doing. Take it for what it is..

[Edited 5/27/14 20:34pm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAwBa8Pqi6Y

This joker said JT is a more versatile singer than Ruben Studdard.

Didn't Ruben come up through one of those singing reality shows where they had to be versatile in order to win? Didn't he win or get really close?

Justin has 0 power. Ruben has plenty. People like Justin want to sing like people like Ruben. They can't. MJ had power in his voice. Ruben has power. Justin does not.

I'm done with this fanbot thread.

Justin is a medicore singer with a weak ass voice. That's my final word on it.

BlaqueKnight said:

This joker said JT is a more versatile singer than Ruben Studdard.

Didn't Ruben come up through one of those singing reality shows where they had to be versatile in order to win? Didn't he win or get really close?

Justin has 0 power. Ruben has plenty. People like Justin want to sing like people like Ruben. They can't. MJ had power in his voice. Ruben has power. Justin does not.

I'm done with this fanbot thread.

Justin is a medicore singer with a weak ass voice. That's my final word on it.

About a month or so after Ruben won American Idol, I started noticing that Clay Aiken was being marketed A LOT (and in some cases more) than Ruben. I'd never seen a talent show give that much attention to a second place winner, at the expense of the actual winner. Revisionist/Delusional history in the music biz is nothing new. Click on the youtube link that I posted. The announcer said that Pat Boone was the CREATOR of Tutti Frutti....absolute lies but that's how it works. See the value in something, imitate it and then pretend it was yours from day one.

BlaqueKnight said:

This joker said JT is a more versatile singer than Ruben Studdard.

Didn't Ruben come up through one of those singing reality shows where they had to be versatile in order to win? Didn't he win or get really close?

Justin has 0 power. Ruben has plenty. People like Justin want to sing like people like Ruben. They can't. MJ had power in his voice. Ruben has power. Justin does not.

I'm done with this fanbot thread.

Justin is a medicore singer with a weak ass voice. That's my final word on it.

I actually followed that season of American Idol. He sounded like a poor man's Donny Hathaway on every songs he covered.

and Rubben got 0 memorable songs. Justin got plenty.

[Edited 5/27/14 23:22pm]

Listening to MJ's vocal take on Love Never Felt So Good (which lets not forget, was a rough demo recording) really highlights how weak and passionless JT sounds when he comes in on the second verse.

Apples and rotten oranges.

[Edited 5/28/14 0:13am]

MattyJam said:

Listening to MJ's vocal take on Love Never Felt So Good (which lets not forget, was a rough demo recording) really highlights how weak and passionless JT sounds when he comes in on the second verse.

Apples and rotten oranges.

[Edited 5/28/14 0:13am]

Agreed. It was also upsetting to see some media outlets refer to this as "Justin & Michael" instead of the other way around. JT is riding the coattails of Michael. He is being controlled by label exes who just want to hype someone up to cash in....

My conclusion after reading a bunch of the posts on this thread is that people are after Timberlake because they think he is an opportunistic racist bastard. I have seen no proof of this, as it's just assumptions. All this speculating on what makes a dude a racist is not healthy.

I do also admit that Justin neither among most elite vocal technical singers, nor does he have an impressive range. But he is technically good, and he is creative. He also has both writing and production skills, and his ability to hear how everything works together makes him a good partner for a producer/beatmaker. He not only ads to a song with his voice. But he is highly influental to many producers approach to their project. His skill is his collaborational and ability to analyze the structure of a song. He learned a lot from Michael and Pharrell about using vocal layering almost like a brass section. And this he is pretty damn good at. He is nowhere near the technical abilities of Maxwell, Eric Benet or mentioned artists. But he is a pop rnb singer that are creating big hits. I don't really think color is his only advantage here. I listen to people of all colors, cultures whatever. I just happen to think that among pop rnb artists, he is one of the best. His music just happen to speak more to me than dudes like Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, etc... I'm no die hard fan. I just think his shit is dope for its purpose.

Replica said:

My conclusion after reading a bunch of the posts on this thread is that people are after Timberlake because they think he is an opportunistic racist bastard. I have seen no proof of this, as it's just assumptions. All this speculating on what makes a dude a racist is not healthy.

I do also admit that Justin neither among most elite vocal technical singers, nor does he have an impressive range. But he is technically good, and he is creative. He also has both writing and production skills, and his ability to hear how everything works together makes him a good partner for a producer/beatmaker. He not only ads to a song with his voice. But he is highly influental to many producers approach to their project. His skill is his collaborational and ability to analyze the structure of a song. He learned a lot from Michael and Pharrell about using vocal layering almost like a brass section. And this he is pretty damn good at. He is nowhere near the technical abilities of Maxwell, Eric Benet or mentioned artists. But he is a pop rnb singer that are creating big hits. I don't really think color is his only advantage here. I listen to people of all colors, cultures whatever. I just happen to think that among pop rnb artists, he is one of the best. His music just happen to speak more to me than dudes like Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, etc... I'm no die hard fan. I just think his shit is dope for its purpose.

Which person called Timberlake a racist?

SeventeenDayze said:

Replica said:

My conclusion after reading a bunch of the posts on this thread is that people are after Timberlake because they think he is an opportunistic racist bastard. I have seen no proof of this, as it's just assumptions. All this speculating on what makes a dude a racist is not healthy.

I do also admit that Justin neither among most elite vocal technical singers, nor does he have an impressive range. But he is technically good, and he is creative. He also has both writing and production skills, and his ability to hear how everything works together makes him a good partner for a producer/beatmaker. He not only ads to a song with his voice. But he is highly influental to many producers approach to their project. His skill is his collaborational and ability to analyze the structure of a song. He learned a lot from Michael and Pharrell about using vocal layering almost like a brass section. And this he is pretty damn good at. He is nowhere near the technical abilities of Maxwell, Eric Benet or mentioned artists. But he is a pop rnb singer that are creating big hits. I don't really think color is his only advantage here. I listen to people of all colors, cultures whatever. I just happen to think that among pop rnb artists, he is one of the best. His music just happen to speak more to me than dudes like Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, etc... I'm no die hard fan. I just think his shit is dope for its purpose.

Which person called Timberlake a racist?

Well if you read between the lines. Half of these posts are about Timberlake not hanging out with african american people, but using them to his advantage when he needs them. An opportunist using his "white" key to success with help from "black" people that know their stuff. It's such a huge focus on his private life. Isn't it normal for some to hang out with other people than the ones they make music with? Nobody is saying it directly, cause it's not a popular thing to do when you have no proof. However there's so much speculation, asumption and talking about him stealing from black culture, like it's something you own. Isn't the culture you love often a mix between where you're born, your experinces through life both chosen ones and accidental? He never said he invented shit, did he?

FunkyD said:

BlaqueKnight said:

This joker said JT is a more versatile singer than Ruben Studdard.

Didn't Ruben come up through one of those singing reality shows where they had to be versatile in order to win? Didn't he win or get really close?

Justin has 0 power. Ruben has plenty. People like Justin want to sing like people like Ruben. They can't. MJ had power in his voice. Ruben has power. Justin does not.

I'm done with this fanbot thread.

Justin is a medicore singer with a weak ass voice. That's my final word on it.

I actually followed that season of American Idol. He sounded like a poor man's Donny Hathaway on every songs he covered.

and Rubben got 0 memorable songs. Justin got plenty.

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And which one outside of music enthusiasts have more people that know about them again?

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SeventeenDayze said:

Which person called Timberlake a racist?

Well if you read between the lines. Half of these posts are about Timberlake not hanging out with african american people, but using them to his advantage when he needs them. An opportunist using his "white" key to success with help from "black" people that know their stuff. It's such a huge focus on his private life. Isn't it normal for some to hang out with other people than the ones they make music with? Nobody is saying it directly, cause it's not a popular thing to do when you have no proof. However there's so much speculation, asumption and talking about him stealing from black culture, like it's something you own. Isn't the culture you love often a mix between where you're born, your experinces through life both chosen ones and accidental? He never said he invented shit, did he?

So when the JT advocates make comments, the rest of us should "read between the lines" and pick up on the fact that this conversation is boiling down to an inferiority complex by whites who find nothing wrong with JT tactics. At every step of the way, the Beatles and The Rolling Stones ALWAYS made it clear they were imitating the music across the pond. That makes a difference. JT is a poser who doesn't even acknowlege nor has anything to do with the black community.

I find it interesting that no one has commented about Pat Boone and his subsequent credit that he got as the CREATOR of Tutti Frutti.

If you can't figure it out by now, or choose the path of denial, then let it go. Thanks.

"Can a black artist actually sell that much?"

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"Can a black artist actually sell that much?"

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if Beyonce stopped releasing music for 7 years she probably could..

Forget Justin! The racial controversy continues...

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‘Forbes’ declares hip hop is ruled by ‘white blond Australian’ Iggy Azalea

The indignities and insults to the hip hop genre continue unabated by the mainstream establishment.

We remember the severe affront to rap’s sensibilities when the Recording Academy mystifyingly awarded a Grammy for best rap album to Macklemore over Kendrick Lamar’s critically and commercially-acclaimed good kid, m.A.A.d city. Even Macklemore knew it was a joke and posted his sentiments on social media claiming that Lamar was “robbed.”

Now we have Forbes magazine telling us that rapper Iggy Azalea is reigning ruler of hip hop music.

The article, which was titled “Hip Hop Is Run By A White, Blonde, Australian Woman” before they wisely changed it “Hip-Hop’s Unlikely New Star” (the mag doesn’t explain the reason for the title change), and is penned by contributor Hugh McIntrye.

The author sloppily bases his theory of Azalea’s reign over all of rap on the success of her debut, The New Classic. The album pushed out less than 55,000 units in week one. Nevertheless that total was the highest charting debut from a female rapper since Nicki Minaj’s Pink Friday four years ago.

By comparison, Minaj sold 325,000 copies in seven days, or more than six times what Iggy Azalea was able to do. And this is what Forbes calls a takeover?

The Forbes author tries mightily, albeit futilely, to justify Iggy’s rap queen moniker this way:

Making a name for yourself as a woman and hip hop is laudable enough, forget the fact that she is a white, blonde, Australian woman. In a genre dominated almost exclusively by African-American men she sticks out like a statuesque thumb. In fact, women are so few and far between in the field that the Grammys had to discard their separate category, which many genres had up for years. For a few years there was a Best Female Rap Solo Performance and one for men, but it was discontinued after only two trophies were given out (both to Missy Elliott). After that, both rap and rock only gave out one trophy, and almost always to a man.

Also, Forbes attempts to declare that Azalea has dethroned Minaj as the preeminent female rapper as if the two are actually in competition and that Minaj is on the steady musical decline. Check it out what the author writes:

“The Young Money Barbie has somehow already been defeated: For the past several years, Nicki Minaj has been the prominent woman in hip hop, but it seems there has been a change. Not only has Minaj been oddly quiet for months, she has said she will no longer be releasing radio-ready pop/hip hop blends, instead going back to her pure rap roots, leaving a void to be filled by none other than Iggy.”

It is obvious that hip hop’s worldwide influence over the current generation is tiresome and troublesome to the ruling class and they are taking bold, albeit dubious, steps to hijack the powerful genre from its original creators.

But if they are going to do that, they can at least produce a better product than Azalea, who is no doubt talented, but doesn’t deserve the title of the Queen of Hip Hop. Not even close.

CynicKill said:

Forget Justin! The racial controversy continues...

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‘Forbes’ declares hip hop is ruled by ‘white blond Australian’ Iggy Azalea

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The indignities and insults to the hip hop genre continue unabated by the mainstream establishment.

We remember the severe affront to rap’s sensibilities when the Recording Academy mystifyingly awarded a Grammy for best rap album to Macklemore over Kendrick Lamar’s critically and commercially-acclaimed good kid, m.A.A.d city. Even Macklemore knew it was a joke and posted his sentiments on social media claiming that Lamar was “robbed.”

Now we have Forbes magazine telling us that rapper Iggy Azalea is reigning ruler of hip hop music.

The article, which was titled “Hip Hop Is Run By A White, Blonde, Australian Woman” before they wisely changed it “Hip-Hop’s Unlikely New Star” (the mag doesn’t explain the reason for the title change), and is penned by contributor Hugh McIntrye.

The author sloppily bases his theory of Azalea’s reign over all of rap on the success of her debut, The New Classic. The album pushed out less than 55,000 units in week one. Nevertheless that total was the highest charting debut from a female rapper since Nicki Minaj’s Pink Friday four years ago.

By comparison, Minaj sold 325,000 copies in seven days, or more than six times what Iggy Azalea was able to do. And this is what Forbes calls a takeover?

The Forbes author tries mightily, albeit futilely, to justify Iggy’s rap queen moniker this way:

Making a name for yourself as a woman and hip hop is laudable enough, forget the fact that she is a white, blonde, Australian woman. In a genre dominated almost exclusively by African-American men she sticks out like a statuesque thumb. In fact, women are so few and far between in the field that the Grammys had to discard their separate category, which many genres had up for years. For a few years there was a Best Female Rap Solo Performance and one for men, but it was discontinued after only two trophies were given out (both to Missy Elliott). After that, both rap and rock only gave out one trophy, and almost always to a man.

Also, Forbes attempts to declare that Azalea has dethroned Minaj as the preeminent female rapper as if the two are actually in competition and that Minaj is on the steady musical decline. Check it out what the author writes:

“The Young Money Barbie has somehow already been defeated: For the past several years, Nicki Minaj has been the prominent woman in hip hop, but it seems there has been a change. Not only has Minaj been oddly quiet for months, she has said she will no longer be releasing radio-ready pop/hip hop blends, instead going back to her pure rap roots, leaving a void to be filled by none other than Iggy.”

It is obvious that hip hop’s worldwide influence over the current generation is tiresome and troublesome to the ruling class and they are taking bold, albeit dubious, steps to hijack the powerful genre from its original creators.

But if they are going to do that, they can at least produce a better product than Azalea, who is no doubt talented, but doesn’t deserve the title of the Queen of Hip Hop. Not even close.

Thanks for posting this. It's very informative and it just proves that some things never change. It's show business, emphasis on business. I think this article was balanced and not inflammatory. It sticks to the facts. Hip-hop and R&B have both been hijacked and shipped off to "Pop/Top 40". There are so many pop tarts and very few in the other categories that don't get nearly as much press as their pop counterparts.