SeventeenDayze said:

This thread is about Justin Timberlake and MJ. If you wanna change the subject, please do it on another thread!

Sorry! Tangents are a beautiful and plentiful thing on the ORG!

Funny. So, why don't you all start talking about knitting or whatever Maybe I should make a t-shirt that says JT is the King of Pop in the Suburbs, see how that sells....

Let me comment still on the image thing because I think it can take the discussion further a bit.

Frank Ocean's image is pretty safe for a gay person. I don't think it's ultimately about people being so afraid of homosexuality anymore, because obviously the media's been full of pieces condemning prejudices and we can say that there's been some progress in that regard at least. However, people don't seem to want to feel confused. Someone like Prince who looks like how he does, dresses like how he does, but still is said to be an unrivalled ladies man confuses the hell out of people these days. That's why so many people continue to insist that he "must be gay", because they can't deal with that type of diversity.

Perhaps many people are so into JT's MJ act, because that's a way they can get MJ without the freakishness and all the open questions about him. Even when MJ was still alive and JT did all those moves in his videos they perhaps felt that they could get the "young MJ back", something like that. I don't buy into the central claim of this thread that "MJ thinks he's Michael Jackson", because otherwise his persona seems to be something of a laidback playboy's. He has even his own tequila brand, right? He's of the type of a male type people want to see as stars these days, the same type of guys that you can see in night clubs, taking part in reality TV contests and so on.

It seems to be very important to the music industry these days that the stars aren't too menacing, there aren't too many open questions about them hanging in the air and, most importantly, that the record buying audience can see themselves in them (or if it's a performer of the opposite sex then maybe dating them and so on).

Marrk said:

Replica said:

This whole thread is about putting down Justin Timberlake.

Well i've no comment on JT. Besides, sure some self-promotion is no doubt taking place but really, so what? that's the business now. It's still cool he's given his time and stands up for MJ, same for Usher on that i Heart Radio performance.

I heard Timberlake mock MJ on TV around the time of the court trial. Depending on who he's talking with, he'll either support or mock MJ. The man is a jellyfish.

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

namepeace said:

Good point, but couldn't that also be considered MJ just collecting on JT's debt to him?

I mean, JT has emulated him from day one. Nothing wrong with that. He's literally taken songs MJ rejected. So to the extent JT borrowed some of MJ's shine, maybe this was MJ's was of collecting it back from JT. It happens frequently; legend teams with young, popular would be heir apparent for chart success.

It dosen't sound like something Mj would do imo

And this happened before JT's solo career and the rejected songs.

He probably genuinely appreciated Justin's skills and enjoyed the song enough to want to work with him and specifically him without N Sync.. MJ wouldn't work with someone he didn't respect..

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Again, all good points, but at the same time, MJ carefully crafted every detail of his recorded product for maximum chart impact. I'm not disagreeing with you. Instead of "either/or," in this instance, I think it's "both/and."

ForgottenPassword said:

Marrk said:

Well i've no comment on JT. Besides, sure some self-promotion is no doubt taking place but really, so what? that's the business now. It's still cool he's given his time and stands up for MJ, same for Usher on that i Heart Radio performance.

I heard Timberlake mock MJ on TV around the time of the court trial. Depending on who he's talking with, he'll either support or mock MJ. The man is a jellyfish.

Of course, MJ could have asked his sister about that.

The bottom line is that JT is an entertainer. Singing is only part of his act.

When you really think about it, the black artist he emulates most is Sammy Davis Jr.

SeventeenDayze said:

Is it Justin that has the talent or is it his producers?

Justin is a midget sitting on the shoulders of a giant.

Its not that he has no talent at all. You have to have some talent to make it to the point that he has and stay there. Justin has at his disposal any and all resources that any pop star could have. He has the best producers in the industry behind him. He has many image consultants behind him. He himself is pretty slick. He knows what not to say. Whenever someone gets serious on him, he cleverly quips his way out with a one-liner. No one ever asks him anything serious and his handlers make sure of it.

He really is nothing special in the greater scheme of performers. Every city has a "white dude that digs and does R&B" in it. He's the guy in that cover band that prefers to sing R&B songs but doesn't sound like an R&B singer. Take someone like Mayer Hawthorne - he sounds like an R&B singer. Jon B. sounds like an R&B singer. JT sounds like a cover band singer, and not that great of one, either. Look at his band. Who couldn't sound good with that crew behind them?

He is the opposite of Chris Brown, in a sense. Chris is a dynamic performer. In fact, he is the only pop star recently that has shown potential for taking that "king of pop" slot that Sony is so desperately trying to fill. There are a lot of talented people in the world but not a lot of them get to the level where they can bring it to the world. I firm;y believe that Sony wants the next "king of pop" to be a white guy. Not because they are particularly racist (even though there is some of that), but to maximumize profit potential around the world. Every label goes through their roster to see who they have to pimp out to the public. Vivendi has Bieber, their bid for the "king of pop" moniker. Sony has Chris and Justin but Chris ruined his image. Justin's people have been keeping his image clean since his N'Sync days. He knows the game and is a pro at playing it. Sony has invested so much money in him at this point, there is no way they are not going to recoup. If he died tomorrow, they would have his ass 3D ala 2Pac dancing on stage to unreleased music. No way would they let him go easily.

In the pop world, image is 80% of the game and JT's is worth its weight in gold. JT has the potential to sell the most merch. That is all they care about.

So, in the grand scheme of talent, he's not that great. He doesn't do anything exceptionally. All of his performances are choreographed by other peple. His voice is mediocre. His singing is mediocre. His saving grace is Timbaland, Pharrell and every other hot producer making catchy tunes for him. Every other pop star that has come along under the MJ school of pop-starring has something that they do well. Usher was an exceptional dancer. Chris Brown, even moreso. Chris actually does a lot of dancing that MJ himself was probably not capable of. Chris is a lot more areodynamic than MJ was. His acrobatics stood out above his other R&B contemporaries (Lloyd, Mario, Omarion, etc.)

When I think of that old saying in the black community about having to have to work twice as hard to get half as much, JT's career comes to mind as an example of privilege in America. JT is not exceptional. He gets by. That is enough for him to be successful. That would never do for MJ.

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BlaqueKnight said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Is it Justin that has the talent or is it his producers?

Justin is a midget sitting on the shoulders of a giant.

Its not that he has no talent at all. You have to have some talent to make it to the point that he has and stay there. Justin has at his disposal any and all resources that any pop star could have. He has the best producers in the industry behind him. He has many image consultants behind him. He himself is pretty slick. He knows what not to say. Whenever someone gets serious on him, he cleverly quips his way out with a one-liner. No one ever asks him anything serious and his handlers make sure of it.

He really is nothing special in the greater scheme of performers. Every city has a "white dude that digs and does R&B" in it. He's the guy in that cover band that prefers to sing R&B songs but doesn't sound like an R&B singer. Take someone like Mayer Hawthorne - he sounds like an R&B singer. Jon B. sounds like an R&B singer. JT sounds like a cover band singer, and not that great of one, either. Look at his band. Who couldn't sound good with that crew behind them?

He is the opposite of Chris Brown, in a sense. Chris is a dynamic performer. In fact, he is the only pop star recently that has shown potential for taking that "king of pop" slot that Sony is so desperately trying to fill. There are a lot of talented people in the world but not a lot of them get to the level where they can bring it to the world. I firm;y believe that Sony wants the next "king of pop" to be a white guy. Not because they are particularly racist (even though there is some of that), but to maximumize profit potential around the world. Every label goes through their roster to see who they have to pimp out to the public. Vivendi has Bieber, their bid for the "king of pop" moniker. Sony has Chris and Justin but Chris ruined his image. Justin's people have been keeping his image clean since his N'Sync days. He knows the game and is a pro at playing it. Sony has invested so much money in him at this point, there is no way they are not going to recoup. If he died tomorrow, they would have his ass 3D ala 2Pac dancing on stage to unreleased music. No way would they let him go easily.

In the pop world, image is 80% of the game and JT's is worth its weight in gold. JT has the potential to sell the most merch. That is all they care about.

So, in the grand scheme of talent, he's not that great. He doesn't do anything exceptionally. All of his performances are choreographed by other peple. His voice is mediocre. His singing is mediocre. His saving grace is Timbaland, Pharrell and every other hot producer making catchy tunes for him. Every other pop star that has come along under the MJ school of pop-starring has something that they do well. Usher was an exceptional dancer. Chris Brown, even moreso. Chris actually does a lot of dancing that MJ himself was probably not capable of. Chris is a lot more areodynamic than MJ was. His acrobatics stood out above his other R&B contemporaries (Lloyd, Mario, Omarion, etc.)

When I think of that old saying in the black community about having to have to work twice as hard to get half as much, JT's career comes to mind as an example of privilege in America. JT is not exceptional. He gets by. That is enough for him to be successful. That would never do for MJ.

[Edited 5/18/14 10:31am]

Those are some good points. It really reflects on how it's a business and they want maximum profit nonetheless. I wonder how many of today's music stars would be on their level without their team doing all the marketing, packaging, etc. I also wonder if music execs kill or stifle the careers of up and coming artists because they don't want their main artists to be threatened. To me, it seems like the past decade has been a serious rehash of the same 5-10 artists over and over again. You could very well swap out the names of all the Grammy nominees from 2003 and they are still the same people getting nominated in 2014! Has it ever been like this in music history before? There are some artists (who shall remain nameless) who seem like they are never going to go away and their "handlers" are putting the artists out there ad nausem and killing the competition.

[Edited 5/18/14 11:05am]

The recording industry ended decades ago

it stopped being about the music a long time ago

toast

SeventeenDayze said:

Those are some good points. It really reflects on how it's a business and they want maximum profit nonetheless. I wonder how many of today's music stars would be on their level without their team doing all the marketing, packaging, etc. I also wonder if music execs kill of stifle the careers of up and coming artists because they don't want their main artists to be threatened. To me, it seems like the past decade has been a serious rehash of the same 5-10 artists over and over again. You could very well swap out the names of all the Grammy nominees from 2003 and they are still the same people getting nominated in 2014! Has it ever been like this in music history before? There are some artists (who shall remain nameless) who seem like they are never going to go away and their "handlers" are putting the artists out there ad nausem and killing the competition.

I know for a fact that this happens a lot. I know of artists that have been signed just so that the label could shelve them because they were a threat to another artist already signed.

Why would the label do that? Can't they have more than one succesful artist? There are some seriously overrated artists out right now that are being compared to "legends" of years past. Is it that these folks are any good or is it because they have no competition. I guess the label signs up the competition but, as you said, they don't do anything with them. Are they contractually bound for several years? Maybe they even go through the trouble of signing them up to do an album but of course they make the money back because of the studio session fees that they charged.

A long time ago, I heard that the entertainment business is the worst and that the music industry was the worst within the entertainment biz.

CynicKill said:

Bruno Mars trying to dance:

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Justin Timberlake trying to dance

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God bless anybody who can't see the difference here,

Bruno would smoke Justin on the dance floor.

BlaqueKnight said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Those are some good points. It really reflects on how it's a business and they want maximum profit nonetheless. I wonder how many of today's music stars would be on their level without their team doing all the marketing, packaging, etc. I also wonder if music execs kill of stifle the careers of up and coming artists because they don't want their main artists to be threatened. To me, it seems like the past decade has been a serious rehash of the same 5-10 artists over and over again. You could very well swap out the names of all the Grammy nominees from 2003 and they are still the same people getting nominated in 2014! Has it ever been like this in music history before? There are some artists (who shall remain nameless) who seem like they are never going to go away and their "handlers" are putting the artists out there ad nausem and killing the competition.

I know for a fact that this happens a lot. I know of artists that have been signed just so that the label could shelve them because they were a threat to another artist already signed.

Y'know, the more I hear, the more I think that there are few businesses dirtier than the music business.

MickyDolenz said:

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

I agree with the younger generation checking more for younger artists which makes it harder for older acts to get hits. But the gay image thing. I provided a few examples of popular acts who look gay and are gay

so we can agree to disagree on that

I don't know who Frank Ocean is, but I just looked him up in Billboard, and it looks like he only had one single hit the Top 10 (#3) in R&B/hip hop airplay and it hit #32 on the Top 100 pop chart. Another 2 singles hit #17 and #70 R&B/hip hop airplay, and one hit #70 Top 100 pop. That doesn't sound like a big deal to me. Still what about Tevin Campbell? How many popular R&B singers over the years have been openly gay? There's some that's been rumored about like Luther Vandross. I don't recall any hip hop stars claiming that. Louis Farrakhan said in the 1980s that Michael & Prince were bad role models for young black males because of their "sissified" looks and image. But in Mike's later years Farrakhan seemed to be friends with Mike and defended him.

He is a big deal in today's music world. He's one of the biggest rnb acts out and got his album debuted at number 2 . Many hiphop and rnb fans enjoy his work. He was even featured on Jay Z songs..

I gave this example to show that a gay rnb artist like Frank can manage to have success

MJ dropped history after the allegations and got hits from that album.

Even an artist like Drake who's seen as soft by many and sings soft can get many hits and is one of the biggest hiphop acts.

As for Tevin Campbell, he took himself out. He handled the situation poorly and never came out of it.

and do you really think that Prince's image cost him a hit in the past years for us to have this discussion?

Let's agree to disagree and make this thread about Timberlake and MJ again

[Edited 5/18/14 18:32pm]

SeventeenDayze said:

Is it me or does it seem that Justin Timberlake is always ripping off Michael Jackson? I mean, there are about half a dozen artists that I could name right now who are MJ wanna bes but it seems that Justin Timberlake always wants a "black sound" that seems contrived. He also was at the BET awards last year and was up there with Charlie Wilson trying to be some kind of soul singer. It seems that JT only associates with blacks when he's trying to rip off the black sound.

This is ridiculous. Why are you begrudging a 21st century recording artist, who grew up in the

South listening to Black American music, for being inspired and influenced by Michael Jackson,

who is the biggest pop star since Elvis died? It's not like we see MJ's influence on Timberlake

and Timberlake denies it - he openly admits that MJ was and is a heavy inspiration!

So he imagines himself as being steeped and entrenched in a Black American art form? That makes

him a "wanna be?" It is a testament to the cultural power of Black America! Y'all need to relax with

the JT hate - it's silly, and we all know that there was one and will only be one Michael Jackson.

But even if Justin Timberlake was trying to fill Michael Jackson's shoes, well wish that mutherfucker

good luck, cos those are big shoes to fill. But to say his sound is contrived, when he grew up

surrounded by Black American music, is just pure hate and without perspective (as pure hate is

want to do).

.

[Edited 5/18/14 14:52pm]

namepeace said:

When you really think about it, the black artist he emulates most is Sammy Davis Jr.

If someone argued that Timberlake was as equally talented as Sammy Davis Jr, or even surpassed

Sammy Davis Jr's talent, I wouldn't shout him/her down without hearing the argument first.

I'm old enough to remember Davis (certainly not old enough to remember him at the height of his

powers) but I do remember seeing him sing and dance on TV as a kid. His was a kind of effort-

less approach to entertainment and I don't think Justin Timberfake, er, Timberlake, is without

the same abilities.

I think the hate JT receives on this board is borne out of some fanatical desire to protect the legacy

of Michael Jackson, as how dare some white boy make any movement towards replacing the King

of Pop, or filling his shoes, god rest his tortured soul (which was kinda a result of MJ's desire to

appease you fanatics).

[Edited 5/18/14 15:06pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Is it Justin that has the talent or is it his producers?

Justin is a midget sitting on the shoulders of a giant.

Its not that he has no talent at all. You have to have some talent to make it to the point that he has and stay there. Justin has at his disposal any and all resources that any pop star could have. He has the best producers in the industry behind him. He has many image consultants behind him. He himself is pretty slick. He knows what not to say. Whenever someone gets serious on him, he cleverly quips his way out with a one-liner. No one ever asks him anything serious and his handlers make sure of it.

He really is nothing special in the greater scheme of performers. Every city has a "white dude that digs and does R&B" in it. He's the guy in that cover band that prefers to sing R&B songs but doesn't sound like an R&B singer. Take someone like Mayer Hawthorne - he sounds like an R&B singer. Jon B. sounds like an R&B singer. JT sounds like a cover band singer, and not that great of one, either. Look at his band. Who couldn't sound good with that crew behind them?

He is the opposite of Chris Brown, in a sense. Chris is a dynamic performer. In fact, he is the only pop star recently that has shown potential for taking that "king of pop" slot that Sony is so desperately trying to fill. There are a lot of talented people in the world but not a lot of them get to the level where they can bring it to the world. I firm;y believe that Sony wants the next "king of pop" to be a white guy. Not because they are particularly racist (even though there is some of that), but to maximumize profit potential around the world. Every label goes through their roster to see who they have to pimp out to the public. Vivendi has Bieber, their bid for the "king of pop" moniker. Sony has Chris and Justin but Chris ruined his image. Justin's people have been keeping his image clean since his N'Sync days. He knows the game and is a pro at playing it. Sony has invested so much money in him at this point, there is no way they are not going to recoup. If he died tomorrow, they would have his ass 3D ala 2Pac dancing on stage to unreleased music. No way would they let him go easily.

In the pop world, image is 80% of the game and JT's is worth its weight in gold. JT has the potential to sell the most merch. That is all they care about.

So, in the grand scheme of talent, he's not that great. He doesn't do anything exceptionally. All of his performances are choreographed by other peple. His voice is mediocre. His singing is mediocre. His saving grace is Timbaland, Pharrell and every other hot producer making catchy tunes for him. Every other pop star that has come along under the MJ school of pop-starring has something that they do well. Usher was an exceptional dancer. Chris Brown, even moreso. Chris actually does a lot of dancing that MJ himself was probably not capable of. Chris is a lot more areodynamic than MJ was. His acrobatics stood out above his other R&B contemporaries (Lloyd, Mario, Omarion, etc.)

When I think of that old saying in the black community about having to have to work twice as hard to get half as much, JT's career comes to mind as an example of privilege in America. JT is not exceptional. He gets by. That is enough for him to be successful. That would never do for MJ.

Chris Brown dosen't make good enough albums to be closer to MJ imo. Matter of fact he dosen't

even make albums, he only makes singles.Who's really checking for songs he did other than his singles.

But with an artist like Justin some of his best work ain't even gona end up on the radio which is something I admire about him. The only area where CB got JT beat is dancing really.

I agree with what this guy says starting @ 5:22. when he talks about Timberlake being closer to MJ than CB

As for Timbaland, It's actually Justin who saved him and made him relevant again. Timbaland's career was on his cold streak until that new JT album dropped. Timbaland and Pharrell deserve some credit for his success but at the end

of the day it took the right kind of talent to elevate the songs and it ain't like

he wasn't bound to become a big star before he even worked with them. MJ himself wanted to collaborate with Justin at the time he was with N Sync..

[Edited 5/21/14 10:13am]

babynoz said:

CynicKill said:

Bruno Mars trying to dance:

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>

Justin Timberlake trying to dance

>

God bless anybody who can't see the difference here,

Bruno would smoke Justin on the dance floor.

This video dosen't really do JT justice. He did a lot better on his VMA performance.

Bruno Mars can bust out a move on occasions but I doubt he's technical enough and seems too out of shape to pull off a quick dance choreography MJ style

[Edited 5/18/14 17:54pm]

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

babynoz said:

God bless anybody who can't see the difference here,

Bruno would smoke Justin on the dance floor.

This video dosen't really do JT justice. He did a lot better on his VMA performance.

Bruno Mars can bust out a move on occasions but I doubt he's technical enough and seems too out of shape to pull off a quick dance choreography MJ style

[Edited 5/18/14 17:54pm]

I've seen JT dance several times and he cannot outdance Bruno. I'm not really interested in Bruno dancing straight MJ style though...I really like the way Bruno interprets his influences.

If I had to choose who I prefer to mimick MJ style dancing it would have to be Usher even moreso than Chris Brown solely because Usher was so graceful. How graceful a dancer is ranks high on my list.

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

Chris Brown dosen't make good enough albums to be closer to MJ imo. Matter of fact he dosen't

even make albums, he only makes singles.Who's really checking for songs he did other than his singles.

But with an artist like Justin some of his best work ain't even gona end up on the radio which is something I admire about him. The only area where CB got JT beat is dancing really.

As for Timb, It's actually Justin who saved him and made him relevant again. Tim's career was considered over until that new JT album dropped. Tim and Pharrell deserve some credit for his success but at the end

of the day it took the right kind of talent to elevate the songs and it ain't like

he wasn't bound to become a big star before he even worked with them. MJ himself wanted to collaborate with Justin at the time he was with N Sync..

[Edited 5/18/14 16:53pm]

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Yeah you DID say that just now!

CynicKill said:

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

Chris Brown dosen't make good enough albums to be closer to MJ imo. Matter of fact he dosen't

even make albums, he only makes singles.Who's really checking for songs he did other than his singles.

But with an artist like Justin some of his best work ain't even gona end up on the radio which is something I admire about him. The only area where CB got JT beat is dancing really.

As for Timb, It's actually Justin who saved him and made him relevant again. Tim's career was considered over until that new JT album dropped. Tim and Pharrell deserve some credit for his success but at the end

of the day it took the right kind of talent to elevate the songs and it ain't like

he wasn't bound to become a big star before he even worked with them. MJ himself wanted to collaborate with Justin at the time he was with N Sync..

[Edited 5/18/14 16:53pm]

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Yeah you DID say that just now!

Many people thought he had lost it since his shock value 2 and that was in 09. We didn't hear much

of his work on radio until 20/20 dropped correct?

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

CynicKill said:

>

Yeah you DID say that just now!

Many people thought he had lost it since his shock value 2 and that was in 09. We didn't hear much

of his work on radio until 20/20 dropped correct?

>

I'll concede that their relevance is probably questionable but you're coming dangerously close to making their existence in the Justin Timberlake universe seem like afterthoughts.

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

Chris Brown dosen't make good enough albums to be closer to MJ imo. Matter of fact he dosen't

even make albums, he only makes singles.Who's really checking for songs he did other than his singles.

But with an artist like Justin some of his best work ain't even gona end up on the radio which is something I admire about him. The only area where CB got JT beat is dancing really.

I agree with what this guy says starting @ 5:22. when he talks about Timberlake being closer to MJ than CB

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5swzcqfuho[/youtube]

As for Timb, It's actually Justin who saved him and made him relevant again. Tim's career was considered over until that new JT album dropped. Tim and Pharrell deserve some credit for his success but at the end

of the day it took the right kind of talent to elevate the songs and it ain't like

he wasn't bound to become a big star before he even worked with them. MJ himself wanted to collaborate with Justin at the time he was with N Sync..

[Edited 5/18/14 16:53pm]

You couldn't have picked a bigger idiot to agree with. I almost never agree with anything Charlamange says. He's not very bright.
In this instance, I will concede to the point he made about Chris B's window to becoming the next MJ being closed. I don't think its closed; I think its almost closed. He's right about the public not wanting him to be and therefore the industry won't allow him to be. The industry WON'T allow him to be. I think that Charlamange falls for the industry oakey doke just like the general public does and that's why his take on Justin is what it is. The current record industry is a singles industry, which is why CB's output is the way that it is. He is younger than JT and his career is structured to fit the modern mold of the music business. While CB doesn't have any "classic" albums per se, JT has never come close to something like Fine China. He couldn't pull it off on his best day. Justin couldn't do Wall To Wall (singing and choreography simultaneously). Its not within his capability. "No Air" is slightly above Justin's singing ability and Justin flat out couldn't do classic R&B like "This Christmas" as well as CB could. When Chris focuses, he's miles above Justin in pure ability.
I don't think we've even seen Chris at 100%. I've seen JT at 100% and its not impressive. Justin just gets by. His dancing is weak and so is his voice. HIs live shows are tracked to hell. Charlamange doesn't know jack about the machine that makes what he sees. Like the rest of the public, he is impressed by the wizard because he knows nothing about what is going on behind the curtain. That's the entertainment business. You're not supposed to know what's going on behind the curtain. However, when you do, you know who's real and who's not. Justin ain't. He gets white guy points for doing R&B from many (even though the reverse has never been given). I call him like I see him. For years and years I have been calling JT mediocre. He has not proven me wrong. When he does, I'll be the first to admit it.

Justin's material is generally better because his producers are better but his voice and dancing are sub par, not only to Chris but to others as well.

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Tracked?

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BlaqueKnight said:

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

Chris Brown dosen't make good enough albums to be closer to MJ imo. Matter of fact he dosen't

even make albums, he only makes singles.Who's really checking for songs he did other than his singles.

But with an artist like Justin some of his best work ain't even gona end up on the radio which is something I admire about him. The only area where CB got JT beat is dancing really.

I agree with what this guy says starting @ 5:22. when he talks about Timberlake being closer to MJ than CB

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5swzcqfuho[/youtube]

As for Timb, It's actually Justin who saved him and made him relevant again. Tim's career was considered over until that new JT album dropped. Tim and Pharrell deserve some credit for his success but at the end

of the day it took the right kind of talent to elevate the songs and it ain't like

he wasn't bound to become a big star before he even worked with them. MJ himself wanted to collaborate with Justin at the time he was with N Sync..

[Edited 5/18/14 16:53pm]

You couldn't have picked a bigger idiot to agree with. I almost never agree with anything Charlamange says. He's not very bright.
In this instance, I will concede to the point he made about Chris B's window to becoming the next MJ being closed. I don't think its closed; I think its almost closed. He's right about the public not wanting him to be and therefore the industry won't allow him to be. The industry WON'T allow him to be. I think that Charlamange falls for the industry oakey doke just like the general public does and that's why his take on Justin is what it is. The current record industry is a singles industry, which is why CB's output is the way that it is. He is younger than JT and his career is structured to fit the modern mold of the music business. While CB doesn't have any "classic" albums per se, JT has never come close to something like Fine China. He couldn't pull it off on his best day. Justin couldn't do Wall To Wall (singing and choreography simultaneously). Its not within his capability. "No Air" is slightly above Justin's singing ability and Justin flat out couldn't do classic R&B like "This Christmas" as well as CB could. When Chris focuses, he's miles above Justin in pure ability.
I don't think we've even seen Chris at 100%. I've seen JT at 100% and its not impressive. Justin just gets by. His dancing is weak and so is his voice. HIs live shows are tracked to hell. Charlamange doesn't know jack about the machine that makes what he sees. Like the rest of the public, he is impressed by the wizard because he knows nothing about what is going on behind the curtain. That's the entertainment business. You're not supposed to know what's going on behind the curtain. However, when you do, you know who's real and who's not. Justin ain't. He gets white guy points for doing R&B from many (even though the reverse has never been given). I call him like I see him. For years and years I have been calling JT mediocre. He has not proven me wrong. When he does, I'll be the first to admit it.

Justin's material is generally better because his producers are better but his voice and dancing are sub par, not only to Chris but to others as well.

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I'll chime in on Chris Brown. He to me, never had that great of voice as MJ.It's a weak voice, CB has the ability to be a great dancer, but comes across lazy with his craft. I think his moves are not smooth like MJ or even Prince (Not saying Prince is a better dancer than CB-just smoother.). CB seems to lack the work ethic of MJ,Madonna, and Prince. Just imagine how good CB dancing would be with full on commitment. To me some of CB performances come across as weren't rehearsed enough because he is CB and he knows he is a good dancer, so he thinks he can just pull it off. Which leads to the not smooth dancing (less controlled.). I think Usher is a good example of a harder work ethic, plus I think he has a better voice than CB.

Chris hasn't been at 100% in a long time. There was a time when he was the highlight of awards season, but now? It was telling that he couldn't perform what is argueably his best song (Fine China) live. Cracked vocals. Zero breath control. A disaster.

CynicKill said:

Chris hasn't been at 100% in a long time. There was a time when he was the highlight of awards season, but now? It was telling that he couldn't perform what is argueably his best song (Fine China) live. Cracked vocals. Zero breath control. A disaster.

Perhaps too much partying and less focus on craft?

Thank goodness Usher has the work ethic to deliver great dancing and singing.

duccichucka said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Is it me or does it seem that Justin Timberlake is always ripping off Michael Jackson? I mean, there are about half a dozen artists that I could name right now who are MJ wanna bes but it seems that Justin Timberlake always wants a "black sound" that seems contrived. He also was at the BET awards last year and was up there with Charlie Wilson trying to be some kind of soul singer. It seems that JT only associates with blacks when he's trying to rip off the black sound.

This is ridiculous. Why are you begrudging a 21st century recording artist, who grew up in the

South listening to Black American music, for being inspired and influenced by Michael Jackson,

who is the biggest pop star since Elvis died? It's not like we see MJ's influence on Timberlake

and Timberlake denies it - he openly admits that MJ was and is a heavy inspiration!

So he imagines himself as being steeped and entrenched in a Black American art form? That makes

him a "wanna be?" It is a testament to the cultural power of Black America! Y'all need to relax with

the JT hate - it's silly, and we all know that there was one and will only be one Michael Jackson.

But even if Justin Timberlake was trying to fill Michael Jackson's shoes, well wish that mutherfucker

good luck, cos those are big shoes to fill. But to say his sound is contrived, when he grew up

surrounded by Black American music, is just pure hate and without perspective (as pure hate is

want to do).

It's my opinion thanks

CynicKill said:

Chris hasn't been at 100% in a long time. There was a time when he was the highlight of awards season, but now? It was telling that he couldn't perform what is argueably his best song (Fine China) live. Cracked vocals. Zero breath control. A disaster.

Yeah it's a shame he's got so many legal issues. I think the music industry goons intentionally keep drugs and booze, they lose themselves in it and end up getting ripped off by their own label....