BlaqueKnight said:

duccichucka said:

And so what if Justin Timberlake is "ripping off" black music and/or Michael Jackson? Why does that

have your panties up in a bunch? We all know that whether you consider JT's musical aspirations as

an appropriation, honoring, or the results of "theft," he's not Michael Jackson. Scott Joplin ripped off

White European classical composers: are we to get huffy and puffy because a Black man "stole"

white classical music?

No, of course not. To make this claim would be fucking stupid. If you want to be the best at

whatever it is that you are crafting, you aspire to the best. Justin Timberlake is a white kid who

grew up in the south, surrounded by Black American music, wanting to be a pop star. Using

your logic, he should aspire to be George Michael, not Michael Jackson, and to stay in his "white

lane." This is starkly racist. You would be up in arms if someone told Charlie Pride to stay in

his "black lane."

Racist? RACIST? You think that is "starkly racist?
Having to enter through the damn kitchen entrance because blacks aren't allowed to walk through the front door even though you are the headlining act ala Dorthy Dandridge is racist.
Being systematically, socially and financially discriminated against because of your color is racist.
Being cheated out of royalties and show money while your music supports your white counterparts on a label as they are allowed to make expensive music videos and do arena tours is racist.
Of all the things that are "starkly racist", accusing a culture vulture of culturing damn sure ain't one of them.
Justin grew up in MILLINGTON. Do you know where that is? His people were not broke. That is not a poor area. He was not subject to the poverty conditions of Memphis, TN. He went to Elementary school then he was home schooled after that. Poor little rich kid not allowed to flourish, huh?
I have read some ridiculously inaccurate shit on the org and I have read some grandiose comparisons. I have read some plain out dumb shit on here. This accusation is up there with the worst. A rich white male pop star is a victim of racism now? That is batshit crazy.
Justin Timberlake is, never was and never could be a Michaei Jackson. He hasn't earned the right nor does he have the talent. He will always be mediocre. He'll always be Mr. Get-by. That ain't racist; that's fact. You know what? He's no George Michael, either. George can sing his ass off.
The amount of Timberlake worship on here is absolutely crazy and is more of a testament to the power of stardom than it is anything else.

Agreed. Might as well change the website to "Timberlake.org' I think saying someone grew up around certain kinds of music is ridiculous. Unless you grew up with that person, you have no idea what they listen to. Geographic location has nothing to do with it. I'm pretty sure if I started a thread about Timberlake being the next King of Pop, I'd have 500 comments of people agreeing with that nonsense!

BlaqueKnight said:

I know exactly where Justin grew up. There is no way he could grow up and not hear black music (let's not debate over this term; you know what I mean). I'm sure he listened to K97 growing up. Are we trying to say that you can't grow up admiring, listening to and being influenced by R&B music and then turn around and appropriate it years later? That is what Justin has done. The facts are that he's not best R&B anything. How the hell are you gonna be best at an artform circled around rhythmic playing and exceptional singing and you are not an exceptional singer? This fool is a fraud and he knows he's a fraud. Does he sell a lot of records? Yes. He's a POP STAR. That's who sells records these days. That does not mean a damn thing other than what it is in the grand scheme of things. I have yet to hear a new R&B artist come out and cite Justin Timberlake as a big influence.

Does he have a huge black fanbase? GTFOHWTBS. A small minority of black folks dig Justin. He has Timbaland and Pharrell behind him. They would dig those same tracks if somebody else was singing them. When pop music sounds like R&B, why would R&B fans not like it? If it sounded like rock, wouldn't rock fans like it? Let's not try and pretend Justin's concert crowds aren't predominantly white. I know for a fact that they are, just like his fan base.

Dude has been a leech off black music from the jump. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE DOES NOT SINCERELY LIKE IT. Those are two different things. Someone can like you and copy your personal style and borrow from you all of the time and get props for it from others because they run in different circles from you. They like you AND they are using you. That is what Justin does. He's been doing this all along and people without blinders on can see it. He likes being popular. He has known since his youth how being the "white guy with flavor" has given him attention and how well it works for him. He just stays with that. He appropriates black culture. He is not the only one who does this (Robin Thicke, we see you) but he does do it. People see through that bullshit, so no matter how many times you call a chair a table, people who know better are still gonna sit in it.

He ain't foolin' nobody. People know when they are being used. If white America suddenly started to hate R&B sounding music, Justin would grow a mullet and start wearing plaid. He obviously loves popularity more than anything.

How can an artist who wears his influences on his sleeves appropriate a genre? Y'all really think he's gona make people forget about MJ and Stevie Wonder?

yet you support CB who is far from being exceptional singer.

Most rnb artist aren't creating anything that's groundbreaking enough to influence others. How many artists has Usher influenced? How many artists has CB influenced? Ne-Yo? This is selective outrage.

Him touring with acts like Jay-Z and having number 1 songs on rnb stations leads me to believe he's got a big black fanbase. If you went to a CB concert i'm sure 95% of fans there would be female fans. That dosen'T mean he dosen'T have a big male following!

JT wants to be famous.. So what? THis is again selective outrage . Which artist dosen't want to be famous?

and Beyonce ain't got something going for her with her looks?

If CB was ugly would he be as successful as he is? A lot of artists got something going for them

ANd being white isn't necessarly an advantage in this genre because of stereotypes.. How many white artists before JT were this successful in this genre before him. The fact is he earned his stripes by dropping greats albums after great albums to be approved.

and what do you say about black athletes like Tiger Woods who have become dominant forces in their respective sports full of white athletes. (not asking this question to you specifically but to anyone in this thread)

Tiger Woods has become the face of golfing..

He's black he shouldn't be a successful golfer? this is nonsense

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It never ceases to amaze me how many excuses and accolades are bestowed upon Justin. Some people say it's "racism" towards Timberlake but when blacks say something is racist, then we start to rationalize everything until racist activity (or appropriation of music) become non-existent. There are plenty of white singers/musicians that can craft their own sound without blatantly ripping off black artists. The whole point is to take control of the artform and convince people later that it was created by the group that did that. There's a reason why nobody at the BET awards applauded when Justin walked on stage. Why are some of you taking this discussion personally? Truth hurts.

SeventeenDayze said:

It never ceases to amaze me how many excuses and accolades are bestowed upon Justin. Some people say it's "racism" towards Timberlake but when blacks say something is racist, then we start to rationalize everything until racist activity (or appropriation of music) become non-existent. There are plenty of white singers/musicians that can craft their own sound without blatantly ripping off black artists. The whole point is to take control of the artform and convince people later that it was created by the group that did that. There's a reason why nobody at the BET awards applauded when Justin walked on stage. Why are some of you taking this discussion personally? Truth hurts.

The genre we're talking about has been stagnant for so long in terms of innovation that every new artist in this genre is bound to be highly influenced by something done in the past.

It dosen't matter the race any current artist in this genre can be seen as copy cat. So with that in mind you can't point the finger at one guy for not doing something completely new and different in this genre or expect him to because he's white.

That's like saying white artists have no right to make rnb music anymore.

at the end of the day he's just a white dude who grew up loving and singing rnb songs and aspiring to be successful. Don't really see the big deal nor the harm in that

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I do feel that Jt does try to be like other famous people. Like he just can not be himself but he has to be like others. I do not really care for that in celebs. Just be yourself.

FunkyD said:

How can an artist who wears his influences on his sleeves appropriate a genre? Y'all really think he's gona make people forget about MJ and Stevie Wonder?

yet you support CB who is far from being exceptional singer.

Most rnb artist aren't creating anything that's groundbreaking enough to influence others. How many artists has Usher influenced? How many artists has CB influenced? Ne-Yo? This is selective outrage.

Him touring with acts like Jay-Z and having number 1 songs on rnb stations leads me to believe he's got a big black fanbase. If you went to a CB concert i'm sure 95% of fans there would be female fans. That dosen'T mean he dosen'T have a big male following!

JT wants to be famous.. So what? THis is again selective outrage . Which artist dosen't want to be famous?

and Beyonce ain't got something going for her with her looks?

If CB was ugly would he be as successful as he is? A lot of artists got something going for them

ANd being white isn't necessarly an advantage in this genre because of stereotypes.. How many white artists before JT were this successful in this genre before him. The fact is he earned his stripes by dropping greats albums after great albums to be approved.

and what do you say about black athletes like Tiger Woods who have become dominant forces in their respective sports full of white athletes. (not asking this question to you specifically but to anyone in this thread)

Tiger Woods has become the face of golfing..

He's black he shouldn't be a successful golfer? this is nonsense

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Dude, at the end of it all, the real R&B community is never going to sing the praises of this mediocre jackass. He is not going to get white boy points. Chris Brown has his flaws but he's a better singer and dancer than JT and there is plenty of proof of that on youtube. Do your research.

Its not about the oversimplification you are trying to reduce it to. Its not just some random white guy who likes R&B and wants to sing it and the big bad black community is stopping him. That's an outright misrepresentation. He has done that. Nobody stopped him. Its abut the mainstream pop cummunity appropriating a genre and expecting everyone to accept them as best when they aren't. When Justin can rock the stage with Maxwell, Rubben, Eric Benet, Anthony Hamilton and the like, then we can talk about giving him props. Ain't nobody gonna just accept that wack ass pop bullshit he does as proper R&B and declare him king. He's not good enough. He DID NOT have the best R&B record to come out last year. Te awards are given to him by mainstreamers and he is supported by his pop fans. Nobody has to put up with his delusions of grandeur. Robin Thicke is the same way. Dude believes he's much better than he is.

Don't try to make it out to be all white singers because its not. Its just that these pop tart ass fools trying to pass themselves off as R&B singers is a running joke in the community. Ain't nobody buying that shit. All of those boiught and aid for awards don't mean a damn thing. They are still R&B lite. All of that other stuff is irrelevant. This is a music forum. I could care less about Tiger Woods, sports figures, etc. FOCUS.

Blaque Knight is my new best (cyber) friend! Nothing.ELSE.to.say!

ok mods, you can stick a fork in this thread now!

FunkyD said:

SeventeenDayze said:

It never ceases to amaze me how many excuses and accolades are bestowed upon Justin. Some people say it's "racism" towards Timberlake but when blacks say something is racist, then we start to rationalize everything until racist activity (or appropriation of music) become non-existent. There are plenty of white singers/musicians that can craft their own sound without blatantly ripping off black artists. The whole point is to take control of the artform and convince people later that it was created by the group that did that. There's a reason why nobody at the BET awards applauded when Justin walked on stage. Why are some of you taking this discussion personally? Truth hurts.

The genre we're talking about has been stagnant for so long in terms of innovation that every artist in this genre is bound to be highly influenced by something done in the past.

It dosen't matter the race any artist in this genre can be seen as copy cat. So with that in mind you can't point the finger at one guy for not doing completely new and different in this genre or expect him to because he's white.

That's like saying white artists have no right to make rnb music anymore.

at the end of the day he's just a white dude who grew up loving and singing rnb songs and aspiring to be successful. Don't really see the big deal nor the harm in that

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You know, I think 9 out of 10 people who believe in "tougher borders" absolutely LOVE Mexican food. Ponder that.

datdude said:

Blaque Knight is my new best (cyber) friend! Nothing.ELSE.to.say!

ok mods, you can stick a fork in this thread now!

If this thread gets locked then that other thread about white artists stealing from blacks (which is obvious sarcasm on the part of the person who started the thread). There's nothing wrong with this discussion.

BlaqueKnight said:

FunkyD said:

How can an artist who wears his influences on his sleeves appropriate a genre? Y'all really think he's gona make people forget about MJ and Stevie Wonder?

yet you support CB who is far from being exceptional singer.

Most rnb artist aren't creating anything that's groundbreaking enough to influence others. How many artists has Usher influenced? How many artists has CB influenced? Ne-Yo? This is selective outrage.

Him touring with acts like Jay-Z and having number 1 songs on rnb stations leads me to believe he's got a big black fanbase. If you went to a CB concert i'm sure 95% of fans there would be female fans. That dosen'T mean he dosen'T have a big male following!

JT wants to be famous.. So what? THis is again selective outrage . Which artist dosen't want to be famous?

and Beyonce ain't got something going for her with her looks?

If CB was ugly would he be as successful as he is? A lot of artists got something going for them

ANd being white isn't necessarly an advantage in this genre because of stereotypes.. How many white artists before JT were this successful in this genre before him. The fact is he earned his stripes by dropping greats albums after great albums to be approved.

and what do you say about black athletes like Tiger Woods who have become dominant forces in their respective sports full of white athletes. (not asking this question to you specifically but to anyone in this thread)

Tiger Woods has become the face of golfing..

He's black he shouldn't be a successful golfer? this is nonsense

[Edited 5/26/14 13:01pm]

Dude, at the end of it all, the real R&B community is never going to sing the praises of this mediocre jackass. He is not going to get white boy points. Chris Brown has his flaws but he's a better singer and dancer than JT and there is plenty of proof of that on youtube. Do your research.

Its not about the oversimplification you are trying to reduce it to. Its not just some random white guy who likes R&B and wants to sing it and the big bad black community is stopping him. That's an outright misrepresentation. He has done that. Nobody stopped him. Its abut the mainstream pop cummunity appropriating a genre and expecting everyone to accept them as best when they aren't. When Justin can rock the stage with Maxwell, Rubben, Eric Benet, Anthony Hamilton and the like, then we can talk about giving him props. Ain't nobody gonna just accept that wack ass pop bullshit he does as proper R&B and declare him king. He's not good enough. He DID NOT have the best R&B record to come out last year. Te awards are given to him by mainstreamers and he is supported by his pop fans. Nobody has to put up with his delusions of grandeur. Robin Thicke is the same way. Dude believes he's much better than he is.

Don't try to make it out to be all white singers because its not. Its just that these pop tart ass fools trying to pass themselves off as R&B singers is a running joke in the community. Ain't nobody buying that shit. All of those boiught and aid for awards don't mean a damn thing. They are still R&B lite. All of that other stuff is irrelevant. This is a music forum. I could care less about Tiger Woods, sports figures, etc. FOCUS.

I actually liked Robin Thicke but was really disappointed when Robin Thicke filed a lawsuit last year against Marvin Gaye's estate. Talk about ridiculous. I think that really showed his mindset. He went from "appreciating" to "copying" to "filing a lawsuit" against the estate of an ICON in R&B. Utterly ridiculous. I think the venom coming from some people on this thread is just reactionary because it challenges them to imagine themselves as not being the originators of something. Inferiority complex embedded in denial of racism and appropriation of a culture.

BlaqueKnight said:

Dude, at the end of it all, the real R&B community is never going to sing the praises of this mediocre jackass. He is not going to get white boy points. Chris Brown has his flaws but he's a better singer and dancer than JT and there is plenty of proof of that on youtube. Do your research.

Its not about the oversimplification you are trying to reduce it to. Its not just some random white guy who likes R&B and wants to sing it and the big bad black community is stopping him. That's an outright misrepresentation. He has done that. Nobody stopped him. Its abut the mainstream pop cummunity appropriating a genre and expecting everyone to accept them as best when they aren't. When Justin can rock the stage with Maxwell, Rubben, Eric Benet, Anthony Hamilton and the like, then we can talk about giving him props. Ain't nobody gonna just accept that wack ass pop bullshit he does as proper R&B and declare him king. He's not good enough. He DID NOT have the best R&B record to come out last year. Te awards are given to him by mainstreamers and he is supported by his pop fans. Nobody has to put up with his delusions of grandeur. Robin Thicke is the same way. Dude believes he's much better than he is.

Don't try to make it out to be all white singers because its not. Its just that these pop tart ass fools trying to pass themselves off as R&B singers is a running joke in the community. Ain't nobody buying that shit. All of those boiught and aid for awards don't mean a damn thing. They are still R&B lite. All of that other stuff is irrelevant. This is a music forum. I could care less about Tiger Woods, sports figures, etc. FOCUS.

I know for a fact many rnb heads enjoy his work and just because you don't like it dosen't mean you got the final say for the "rnb community".

My point was a lot of criticism some of y'all made towards JT is selective outrage

It gets ironic when you criticize JT for being unoriginal, a bad singer and not influential when all of that could apply to CB who you support

Doing research won't improve CB's voice. He's never been known to be a great singer. Let's be real and put the bias aside for a sec.

and nobody in the current rnb world is really influential yet your only making this an issue only with Timberlake.

and I never claimed black people are trying to stop JT and that part of my reply where i talk about him having to prove himself was off topic because I misread "guy with FLAVOR" as "guy with FAVOR". I just noticed that. shit happens

Also, YOu can't be serious about JT not being able to rock the stage with Rubben and Eric Benet live.. this is a ridiculous thing to say. JT got way more groove than these two combined

Maxwell could give a run for his money but Eric Benet and Rubben have nothing on JT live.

let's also criticize JT for not having the best rnb album last year (which is your opinion) when CB has yet to come up with a good album.

and who is claiming JUstin timberlake is the best at anything? Where are y'all getting these claims from?

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HeatherS said:

I do feel that Jt does try to be like other famous people. Like he just can not be himself but he has to be like others. I do not really care for that in celebs. Just be yourself.

I agree. It would be much better if people were just allowed to become their own type of artist without going through lengths to be like someone else and brush it under the "they inspired me" rug.

Truth or fiction:

So what is the purpose of this video? Please do tell.

*sigh*

You're the one always yelling for us to stay on topic. Well there you have it.

Michael Jackson...

Justin Timberlake...

CynicKill said:

*sigh*

You're the one always yelling for us to stay on topic. Well there you have it.

Michael Jackson...

Justin Timberlake...

But what is the point of this? Is it carefully crafted babble to make him seem less than likely to be a poser? Did you watch the videos that I posted?

SeventeenDayze said:

CynicKill said:

*sigh*

You're the one always yelling for us to stay on topic. Well there you have it.

Michael Jackson...

Justin Timberlake...

But what is the point of this? Is it carefully crafted babble to make him seem less than likely to be a poser? Did you watch the videos that I posted?

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Which ones? I went through the thread but didn't come across any videos you posted.

CynicKill said:

Truth or fiction:

THIS is what matters the most in this thread. MJ never seemed bothered by the fact he was a big influence on JT so why make a fuss about it. MJ asking JT for a collab is more than approval.

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double post

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CynicKill said:

SeventeenDayze said:

But what is the point of this? Is it carefully crafted babble to make him seem less than likely to be a poser? Did you watch the videos that I posted?

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Which ones? I went through the thread but didn't come across any videos you posted.

I posted a video about Timberlake at the BET awards. It was towards the beginning of the thread. I don't know how to make the youtube link show up where you can see it before you click on it.

FunkyD said:

CynicKill said:

Truth or fiction:

THIS is what matters the most in this thread. MJ never seemed bothered by the fact he was a big influence on JT so why make a fuss about it. MJ asking JT for a collab is more than approval.

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What about Kriss Kross and Heavy D? I don't think the collaboration between Michael and Timberlake puts the latter into some sort of authenticity just because they worked together at some point. There was only one time I remember seeing MJ perform with Justin and that's when NSync was still a group. But I still think JT is notorious for ripping off others and trying too hard to be something that he's not.

SeventeenDayze said:

FunkyD said:

THIS is what matters the most in this thread. MJ never seemed bothered by the fact he was a big influence on JT so why make a fuss about it. MJ asking JT for a collab is more than approval.

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What about Kriss Kross and Heavy D? I don't think the collaboration between Michael and Timberlake puts the latter into some sort of authenticity just because they worked together at some point. There was only one time I remember seeing MJ perform with Justin and that's when NSync was still a group. But I still think JT is notorious for ripping off others and trying too hard to be something that he's not.

THey never actually worked together but the fact that MJ never seemed bothered that he was a big influence on JT begs the question.. Why make a fuss about it??

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FunkyD said:

SeventeenDayze said:

What about Kriss Kross and Heavy D? I don't think the collaboration between Michael and Timberlake puts the latter into some sort of authenticity just because they worked together at some point. There was only one time I remember seeing MJ perform with Justin and that's when NSync was still a group. But I still think JT is notorious for ripping off others and trying too hard to be something that he's not.

THey never actually worked together but the fact that MJ never seemed bothered that he was a big influence on JT begs the question.. Why make a fuss about it??

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This thread is about eleven pages long and you still don't get it? Read it again. Thanks.

SeventeenDayze said:

FunkyD said:

THey never actually worked together but the fact that MJ never seemed bothered that he was a big influence on JT begs the question.. Why make a fuss about it??

[Edited 5/26/14 21:58pm]

This thread is about eleven pages long and you still don't get it? Read it again. Thanks.

This thread should have ended when it begun. .

Does JT think he's MJ? there's an obvious answer to that question and it's NO

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Thanks for reposting that video. I can't do it for some reason

CynicKill said:

[youtube]url here[/youtube]

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So we're gona act like JT wasn't great in this performance?

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FunkyD said:

CynicKill said:

[youtube]url here[/youtube]

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So we're gona act like JT wasn't great in this performance?

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I'll let Blaque Knight answer your "question"

SeventeenDayze said:

FunkyD said:

So we're gona act like JT wasn't great in this performance?

[Edited 5/26/14 22:53pm]

I'll let Blaque Knight answer your "question"

and didn't you say he didn't get a good reception? that was a lie

FunkyD said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I'll let Blaque Knight answer your "question"

and didn't you say he didn't get a good reception? that was a lie

Your reading comprehension skills seem to be on par with your hearing Amazing how denial is the first weapon of choice for some....