SeventeenDayze said:

Cinny said:

If you are looking into how much an artist is actually devoted to it, you shouldn't call it appropriation. And no one said he is better than anyone else, he simply sells more.

I hear what you're saying but how do you even measure "devotion"? This guy basically "borrows" from certain black artists (he makes it a little less "black") and then he's off to the races to appease a certain demographic. Again, someone explain to me why nobody clapped when Timberlake made his entrance into the BET awards during Charlie Wilson's tribute?

How many whites will be at the Essence Festival?

Isn't every artist informed by a sound growing up and then put their own twist on it?

I don't hear him exclusively stealing off of MJ either. (Visually, yes!)

SeventeenDayze said:

Cinny said:

I am sure that white people who don't appreciate R&B also don't make an exception for Justin Timberlake.

If I remember correctly, there was a thread here on the Org a while back talking about the death of R&B. Some of that "death" is because of hip-hop gradually taking over. Maybe this change was back in the 90s or early 2000s. It seemed like everything was slowly moving towards a pop sound. Remember when Mariah was at the top of her career and she always had two versions of every song. One version went to the pop station and theh other version always went to the hip-hop station. I think there are some strange dymanics in the music industry business that creates these outcomes.

I see your point here! Interesting angle: Tommy Motolla [WHITE!] made Hall & Oates [WHITE PLAYING BLACK MUSIC!] a success by getting play on multiple radio formats, and then he went on to manage Mariah Carey [BLACK AND WHITE!].

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SeventeenDayze said:

FunkyD said:

This quote comes from RNB BLACK artist Tank in case you didn't know. He knows how it is.

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Okay since you value Tank's opinion so much, read Wendy's opinion here and let me know if it carries the same weight as Tank's comments apparently did to you. Thanks.

http://madamenoire.com/306499/wendy-williams-talks-miley-cyrus-justin-timberlake-misappropriating-black-culture/

And you ain't been valuing other people's opinions with the numerous articles you posted in this thread to prove your point?

Tank being an rnb artist himself who knows very well the implications of being one and saying JT's new music is better than his peer's and his own does have some bearing in this thread and is a win for JT whether you like it or not. just like it was one when he got a cosign from a certain guy named Michael Jackson.

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Cinny said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I hear what you're saying but how do you even measure "devotion"? This guy basically "borrows" from certain black artists (he makes it a little less "black") and then he's off to the races to appease a certain demographic. Again, someone explain to me why nobody clapped when Timberlake made his entrance into the BET awards during Charlie Wilson's tribute?

How many whites will be at the Essence Festival?

Isn't every artist informed by a sound growing up and then put their own twist on it?

I don't hear him exclusively stealing off of MJ either. (Visually, yes!)

I think between Chris Brown and JT, it's hard to say who rips off Michael the most. But, I think CB's career is getting close to be over because he's got way too many issues. It's sad because he had potential to be his own "legend" of sorts at one stage. Just another example of the record industry exposing their artists to a destructive lifestyle so that they can be easily controlled.

Cinny said:

SeventeenDayze said:

If I remember correctly, there was a thread here on the Org a while back talking about the death of R&B. Some of that "death" is because of hip-hop gradually taking over. Maybe this change was back in the 90s or early 2000s. It seemed like everything was slowly moving towards a pop sound. Remember when Mariah was at the top of her career and she always had two versions of every song. One version went to the pop station and theh other version always went to the hip-hop station. I think there are some strange dymanics in the music industry business that creates these outcomes.

I see your point here! Interesting angle: Tommy Motolla [WHITE!] made Hall & Oates [WHITE PLAYING BLACK MUSIC!] a success by getting play on multiple radio formats, and then he went on to manage Mariah Carey [BLACK AND WHITE!].

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That brings up another issues about ownership in the record industry. How many artists actually own the rights to their music? Are the artists being told what to do by execs? Absolutely. I have every reason to believe that the radio execs craft and mold the artists exactly into what they will allow him/her to do because they are the ones footing the bill at the end of the day.

Who in the hell listens to Tank?
Again, I hate the game of lies and misdirection. Let's just pretend that Chris Brown didn't drop Fine China and about 5 other singles. Let's pretend that Aloe Blacc, Miguel, Jennifer Hudson, Ciara, Trey Songz, Janelle Monae, Ledisi, John Legend, and quite a few others didn't release music in the past year.
Let's pretend August Alsina, Sevyn Streeter, Mack Wilds, Luke James , Kesington Kross and Tinashe aren't the real "new" R&B artists right now.
You know its all bought-and-paid-for LIE when you have to pretend other music didn't happen or wasn't good.
And people keep speaking of "classic albums" on this thread as if that's relevant in this day and age. Its not. NOBODY UNDER 30 CARES ABOUT ALBUMS.
I love albums/CDs. Its my generations' tool of choice for music consumption. People carry thousands of songs on them nowadays. Its never been harder to get people to listen to one artist's entire record before. Singles artists are relevant because that is the nature of the current music business.

BlaqueKnight said:

Who in the hell listens to Tank?
Again, I hate the game of lies and misdirection. Let's just pretend that Chris Brown didn't drop Fine China and about 5 other singles. Let's pretend that Aloe Blacc, Miguel, Jennifer Hudson, Ciara, Trey Songz, Janelle Monae, Ledisi, John Legend, and quite a few others didn't release music in the past year.
Let's pretend August Alsina, Sevyn Streeter, Mack Wilds, Luke James , Kesington Kross and Tinashe aren't the real "new" R&B artists right now.
You know its all bought-and-paid-for LIE when you have to pretend other music didn't happen or wasn't good.
And people keep speaking of "classic albums" on this thread as if that's relevant in this day and age. Its not. NOBODY UNDER 30 CARES ABOUT ALBUMS.
I love albums/CDs. Its my generations' tool of choice for music consumption. People carry thousands of songs on them nowadays. Its never been harder to get people to listen to one artist's entire record before. Singles artists are relevant because that is the nature of the current music business.

Speaking of Tank, apparently a few weeks ago he was slated to sing the national anthem at a Clippers game. Of course, this was right after the scandal with Sterling broke. Tank was on TMZ saying that he wasn't going to do the anthem anymore because of the team owner. This was right before the playoffs officially began. I couldn't help but to wonder if Tank was just backing off the national anthem because it's a very difficult song to sing live. I don't know what Tank sounds like live, maybe he's good, maybe he's not. Would Justin Timberlake do the same thing that Tank did? NOT a chance...

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SeventeenDayze said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Who in the hell listens to Tank?
Again, I hate the game of lies and misdirection. Let's just pretend that Chris Brown didn't drop Fine China and about 5 other singles. Let's pretend that Aloe Blacc, Miguel, Jennifer Hudson, Ciara, Trey Songz, Janelle Monae, Ledisi, John Legend, and quite a few others didn't release music in the past year.
Let's pretend August Alsina, Sevyn Streeter, Mack Wilds, Luke James , Kesington Kross and Tinashe aren't the real "new" R&B artists right now.
You know its all bought-and-paid-for LIE when you have to pretend other music didn't happen or wasn't good.
And people keep speaking of "classic albums" on this thread as if that's relevant in this day and age. Its not. NOBODY UNDER 30 CARES ABOUT ALBUMS.
I love albums/CDs. Its my generations' tool of choice for music consumption. People carry thousands of songs on them nowadays. Its never been harder to get people to listen to one artist's entire record before. Singles artists are relevant because that is the nature of the current music business.

Speaking of Tank, apparently a few weeks ago he was slated to sing the national anthem at a Clippers game. Of course, this was right after the scandal with Sterling broke. Tank was on TMZ saying that he wasn't going to do the anthem anymore because of the team owner. This was right before the playoffs officially began. I couldn't help but to wonder if Tank was just backing off the national anthem because it's a very difficult song to sing live. I don't know what Tank sounds like live, maybe he's good, maybe he's not. Would Justin Timberlake do the same thing that Tank did? NOT a chance...

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No. Honestly, I've heard Tank live. He's the truth vocally. He plays keys, too.

His crowd is 35+yo (mostly black) desperate housewives who want to f__k him. He panders almost as much as Tyler Perry. I know why he said what he said.

As to Justin singing the national anthem - he probably can't execute it impressively enough for anyone to hire him to do it. I don't think he'd try, either.

BlaqueKnight said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Speaking of Tank, apparently a few weeks ago he was slated to sing the national anthem at a Clippers game. Of course, this was right after the scandal with Sterling broke. Tank was on TMZ saying that he wasn't going to do the anthem anymore because of the team owner. This was right before the playoffs officially began. I couldn't help but to wonder if Tank was just backing off the national anthem because it's a very difficult song to sing live. I don't know what Tank sounds like live, maybe he's good, maybe he's not. Would Justin Timberlake do the same thing that Tank did? NOT a chance...

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No. Honestly, I've heard Tank live. He's the truth vocally. He plays keys, too.

His crowd is 35+yo (mostly black) desperate housewives who want to f__k him. He panders almost as much as Tyler Perry. I know why he said what he said.

As to Justin singing the national anthem - he probably can't execute it impressively enough for anyone to hire him to do it. I don't think he'd try, either.

Well, I kinda meant would JT walk away from a gig singing a natinoal anthem in protest of what Sterling said. Tank said he told the Clippers front office that he wasn't going to sing at all because of the scandal.

Why do you think he (tank) said what he did?

I thought this was pretty funny.

Not really sure what this thread is about but I'm sure Timberlake would be happy that his name is on it. Certainly seems it is way more popular than the MJ sticky.

3rdeyedude said:

I thought this was pretty funny.

Not really sure what this thread is about but I'm sure Timberlake would be happy that his name is on it. Certainly seems it is way more popular than the MJ sticky.

Yeah I saw that live and just kinda chuckled....everyone and their mother has taken cheap shots at Donald Sterling I don't think this thread is more popular then the MJ sticky, it's just more controversial

SeventeenDayze said:

3rdeyedude said:

I thought this was pretty funny.

Not really sure what this thread is about but I'm sure Timberlake would be happy that his name is on it. Certainly seems it is way more popular than the MJ sticky.

Yeah I saw that live and just kinda chuckled....everyone and their mother has taken cheap shots at Donald Sterling I don't think this thread is more popular then the MJ sticky, it's just more controversial

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Saw that too. Yeah, Sterling is an easy target.

SeventeenDayze said:

Not sure why out of everything that I wrote that you only put in bold one sentence that I wrote. I guess it's for the purposes of putting a spin on it, knowing full well that's not what I was getting at.

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I put emphasis on that point you made because you made that point several times throughout this thread but nobody really addressed it as far as I can remember. If you weren't suggesting what I was saying, please clarify....

Musicslave said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Not sure why out of everything that I wrote that you only put in bold one sentence that I wrote. I guess it's for the purposes of putting a spin on it, knowing full well that's not what I was getting at.

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I put emphasis on that point you made because you made that point several times throughout this thread but nobody really addressed it as far as I can remember. If you weren't suggesting what I was saying, please clarify....

Well, if I repeated myself then why are you asking me what I meant?

Musicslave said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Not sure why out of everything that I wrote that you only put in bold one sentence that I wrote. I guess it's for the purposes of putting a spin on it, knowing full well that's not what I was getting at.

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I put emphasis on that point you made because you made that point several times throughout this thread but nobody really addressed it as far as I can remember. If you weren't suggesting what I was saying, please clarify....

I already got this reply

SeventeenDayze said:

Cinny said:

Still need a clarification on "when the lights are out" comment.

It's the same thing as it's literal meaning. Once he plays around in "blackville" he can still not miss a beat by staying suburban and "white enough" for certain audiences. Oddly enough, the reverse is not true. You'll never see a black person pull that off unfortunately.

Cinny said:

Musicslave said:

It's the same thing as it's literal meaning. Once he plays around in "blackville" he can still not miss a beat by staying suburban and "white enough" for certain audiences. Oddly enough, the reverse is not true. You'll never see a black person pull that off unfortunately.

Remember when John Mayer "joked" that there was something that he wasn't going to do because he didin't want to lose his "N-word" card? It's kinda like that.

nvm

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SeventeenDayze said:

Cinny said:

Remember when John Mayer "joked" that there was something that he wasn't going to do because he didin't want to lose his "N-word" card? It's kinda like that.

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What did John (Grammy Darling) Mayer say? Not trying to be funny, I'm really not familiar.

Musicslave said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Remember when John Mayer "joked" that there was something that he wasn't going to do because he didin't want to lose his "N-word" card? It's kinda like that.

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What did John (Grammy Darling) Mayer say? Not trying to be funny, I'm really not familiar.

This is what he said. It was a few years ago. I also found it interesting that this happened right before his tour kicked off....

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/john-mayer-apologizes-for-using-n-word-in-raw-interview-20100211

SeventeenDayze said:

Musicslave said:

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What did John (Grammy Darling) Mayer say? Not trying to be funny, I'm really not familiar.

This is what he said. It was a few years ago. I also found it interesting that this happened right before his tour kicked off....

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/john-mayer-apologizes-for-using-n-word-in-raw-interview-20100211

The black community ignores the shit out of fools like Mayer. He would never say "My d*ck is sorta like a white supremacist" or refer to a hood pass as a "nigg** pass" in a room full of black men. He only says shit like that in his comfort zone like other cowards. Just because he steals guitar and vocal licks from David Ryan Harris (and many others) doesn't give him a hood pass. He stays in his lane and pretends to have "street cred" among his white friends like other fake ass fools.

Enough about Mayer's wack ass. Back to Timberlake...

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BlaqueKnight said:

SeventeenDayze said:

This is what he said. It was a few years ago. I also found it interesting that this happened right before his tour kicked off....

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/john-mayer-apologizes-for-using-n-word-in-raw-interview-20100211

The black community ignores the shit out of fools like Mayer. He would never say "My d*ck is sorta like a white supremacist" or refer to a hood pass as a "nigg** pass" in a room full of black men. He only says shit like that in his comfort zone like other cowards. Just because he steals guitar and vocal licks from David Ryan Harris (and many others) doesn't give him a hood pass. He stays in his lane and pretends to have "street cred" among his white friends like other fake ass fools.

Enough about Mayer's wack ass. Back to Timberlake...

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So who do you think is the worst offender, Mayer or Timberlake?

At the expense of sounding like an apologist for Mayer I must remind people that at the time Mayer fancied himself a comedian back around that time and he had these comedy cruises with fans and stuff. I think he was trying for edgy humor when he made those statements because he was making quite a few statements at the time that people felt were outlandish. And honestly, have you ever met a black girl that was checking for Mayer then or now?

I find it strange that people are "backing up" clearly racist comments as if to make the statement that it's just not a big deal. Ridiculous. Are black people given a pass when we screw up? There are plenty of black women who date, marry and have children with white men. That's been going on a long, long time in America. Enough already of the excuses. So, he calls himself a comedian and that makes this nonsense okay? Unbelievable. This thread is supposed to be about how Timberlake rips off black music/Michael Jackson

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SeventeenDayze said:

Musicslave said:

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What did John (Grammy Darling) Mayer say? Not trying to be funny, I'm really not familiar.

This is what he said. It was a few years ago. I also found it interesting that this happened right before his tour kicked off....

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/john-mayer-apologizes-for-using-n-word-in-raw-interview-20100211

Wow,I never knew he said all that what an idiot he is

SoulAlive said:

SeventeenDayze said:

This is what he said. It was a few years ago. I also found it interesting that this happened right before his tour kicked off....

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/john-mayer-apologizes-for-using-n-word-in-raw-interview-20100211

Wow,I never knew he said all that what an idiot he is

Yeah it's sad because I was/am a fan of John Mayer's since his first album. When he played Human Nature at Michael's memorial service a few years ago, I was really amazed by his guitar solo. I don't know if he made those comments for publicity but it sure was a ridculous thing to say.

SeventeenDayze said:

Musicslave said:

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What did John (Grammy Darling) Mayer say? Not trying to be funny, I'm really not familiar.

This is what he said. It was a few years ago. I also found it interesting that this happened right before his tour kicked off....

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/john-mayer-apologizes-for-using-n-word-in-raw-interview-20100211

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Never read that before. Thanks. Douche

SeventeenDayze said:

This thread is supposed to be about how Timberlake rips off black music/Michael Jackson.

And so what if Justin Timberlake is "ripping off" black music and/or Michael Jackson? Why does that

have your panties up in a bunch? We all know that whether you consider JT's musical aspirations as

an appropriation, honoring, or the results of "theft," he's not Michael Jackson. Scott Joplin ripped off

White European classical composers: are we to get huffy and puffy because a Black man "stole"

white classical music?

No, of course not. To make this claim would be fucking stupid. If you want to be the best at

whatever it is that you are crafting, you aspire to the best. Justin Timberlake is a white kid who

grew up in the south, surrounded by Black American music, wanting to be a pop star. Using

your logic, he should aspire to be George Michael, not Michael Jackson, and to stay in his "white

lane." This is starkly racist. You would be up in arms if someone told Charlie Pride to stay in

his "black lane."

duccichucka said:

SeventeenDayze said:

This thread is supposed to be about how Timberlake rips off black music/Michael Jackson.

And so what if Justin Timberlake is "ripping off" black music and/or Michael Jackson? Why does that

have your panties up in a bunch? We all know that whether you consider JT's musical aspirations as

an appropriation, honoring, or the results of "theft," he's not Michael Jackson. Scott Joplin ripped off

White European classical composers: are we to get huffy and puffy because a Black man "stole"

white classical music?

No, of course not. To make this claim would be fucking stupid. If you want to be the best at

whatever it is that you are crafting, you aspire to the best. Justin Timberlake is a white kid who

grew up in the south, surrounded by Black American music, wanting to be a pop star. Using

your logic, he should aspire to be George Michael, not Michael Jackson, and to stay in his "white

lane." This is starkly racist. You would be up in arms if someone told Charlie Pride to stay in

his "black lane."

Your post proves what I have been saying sine this thread was started. Thanks.

duccichucka said:

SeventeenDayze said:

This thread is supposed to be about how Timberlake rips off black music/Michael Jackson.

And so what if Justin Timberlake is "ripping off" black music and/or Michael Jackson? Why does that

have your panties up in a bunch? We all know that whether you consider JT's musical aspirations as

an appropriation, honoring, or the results of "theft," he's not Michael Jackson. Scott Joplin ripped off

White European classical composers: are we to get huffy and puffy because a Black man "stole"

white classical music?

No, of course not. To make this claim would be fucking stupid. If you want to be the best at

whatever it is that you are crafting, you aspire to the best. Justin Timberlake is a white kid who

grew up in the south, surrounded by Black American music, wanting to be a pop star. Using

your logic, he should aspire to be George Michael, not Michael Jackson, and to stay in his "white

lane." This is starkly racist. You would be up in arms if someone told Charlie Pride to stay in

his "black lane."

Racist? RACIST? You think that is "starkly racist?
Having to enter through the damn kitchen entrance because blacks aren't allowed to walk through the front door even though you are the headlining act ala Dorthy Dandridge is racist.
Being systematically, socially and financially discriminated against because of your color is racist.
Being cheated out of royalties and show money while your music supports your white counterparts on a label as they are allowed to make expensive music videos and do arena tours is racist.
Of all the things that are "starkly racist", accusing a culture vulture of culturing damn sure ain't one of them.
Justin grew up in MILLINGTON. Do you know where that is? His people were not broke. That is not a poor area. He was not subject to the poverty conditions of Memphis, TN. He went to Elementary school then he was home schooled after that. Poor little rich kid not allowed to flourish, huh?
I have read some ridiculously inaccurate shit on the org and I have read some grandiose comparisons. I have read some plain out dumb shit on here. This accusation is up there with the worst. A rich white male pop star is a victim of racism now? That is batshit crazy.
Justin Timberlake is, never was and never could be a Michaei Jackson. He hasn't earned the right nor does he have the talent. He will always be mediocre. He'll always be Mr. Get-by. That ain't racist; that's fact. You know what? He's no George Michael, either. George can sing his ass off.
The amount of Timberlake worship on here is absolutely crazy and is more of a testament to the power of stardom than it is anything else.