Scorp said:

.MICHAEL JACKSON didn't have any money at the end of his career, he was tapped out, and had to relinquish all of his assets, everything w/his name on it

how he gave up all his assets??

In 1995, MJ and Sony set up a joint company combining ATV Music catalog with Sony Music Catalog ---- 50/50.

price of the company - minimum $ 2-3 billion.
Now this company - the market leader.

with annual revenues of over $ 100 million ...
this is real money, not the ridiculous declaration.

Tell me honestly, you're just a troll or really that ignorant in business?

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

^

I just want the children to be safe and happy. They should not be placed in a hostile situation if they dont want too. If they want to be with Debbie than let them. The Jacksons dont care about them. They just want them because they know they bring in money. Everything else is just your subjective delusions that I dont care to entertain.

lies after lies after lies...

remember on KOP around August, after that memorial......

I posted that Debbie should be given full custody of those 2 oldest children.....and that would be the best possible scenerio out of this situation

I posted that..and u know what the response was by the legion?

they told me to shut the f*** up and that Debbie was nothing by a moneygrabber and a leecher after Michael's money from that estate......THAT WAS THE CONSENSUS

matter of fact, a ton of fans were making fun of her talking about her appearance and her weight, raggin, jokin, having a grand ole time.......but now she's the end to be all...

but go ahead and believe teh lies, for u will eventually flip flop again when the situation causes for it....

It is not about flip floppin Michael is no longer here therefore the situation IS differen by default. Katherine has co guardianship but only seems to care about exploiting them rather then their well being. I just think this is the best choice for the circumstances RIGHT NOW. Who else do you think should take care of the kids then? Who else do you think will love and care for the children and not just exploit them for money? The Jacksons are obviously not doing a good job of looking after the kids.

LiLi1992 said:

Scorp said:

.MICHAEL JACKSON didn't have any money at the end of his career, he was tapped out, and had to relinquish all of his assets, everything w/his name on it

how he gave up all his assets??

In 1995, MJ and Sony set up a joint company combining ATV Music catalog with Sony Music Catalog ---- 50/50.

price of the company - minimum $ 2-3 billion.
Now this company - the market leader.

with annual revenues of over $ 100 million ...
this is real money, not the ridiculous declaration.

Tell me honestly, you're just a troll or really that ignorant in business?

as usual....half the story.....u posted up 1995, but no mention of what went down in 06, or 2008....

and these figures u posted, I already knew about it when it actually went down.....

thank u very much

LiLi1992 said:

Scorp said:

.MICHAEL JACKSON didn't have any money at the end of his career, he was tapped out, and had to relinquish all of his assets, everything w/his name on it

how he gave up all his assets??

In 1995, MJ and Sony set up a joint company combining ATV Music catalog with Sony Music Catalog ---- 50/50.

price of the company - minimum $ 2-3 billion.
Now this company - the market leader.

with annual revenues of over $ 100 million ...
this is real money, not the ridiculous declaration.

Tell me honestly, you're just a troll or really that ignorant in business?

And scorp proves again what a deluded, uninformed and ignorant fool he is. Several times I already pointed out to him that Michael gave up nothing of his assets and was a 50 % owner of a company valued at 2 - 3 billion dollar. Nevermind his own publishing, which was valued at over 100 million dollars. He didn't have any cash, but by no means was he broke.

Scorp said:

as usual....half the story.....u posted up 1995, but no mention of what went down in 06, or 2008....

and these figures u posted, I already knew about it when it actually went down.....

thank u very much

Those numbers are current. And nothing happened in '06 or '08. Sony got a first buyer right of a further 25 % of the company, should Michael decide to sell, but that never happened.

You're that one that is telling half or made up stories. Don't accuse other people of doing that.

[Edited 6/9/13 13:33pm]

theregoesmybaby said:

Scorp said:

hey homie.....

check out this clip.....it has a great moral lesson w/in the entertainment value.....

and maybe the next time u fly off, you won't resort to probables are assumptions

I'll go easy on u...the clip will do all the talkin...a great life lesson for us all

look at this you will learn more about you

https://www.youtube.com/w...4JG9z7q168

I'm cool on that clip....I won't even look at it

you the one jump the gun, assuming and using probables but that math won't cut it...u the one talk about someone trolling when obviously u don't know how much your estimation is wrong

I have at least 10 more parables to roll with...

here's another one for ya.......and I'm cool on u fron here on out no matter what u respond with

GoldDolphin said:

For Scorp and all those other people talking about Paris and other stupid shit, I bet you wouldn't take a day getting all the hate messages Paris gets on a daily basis. These type of messages about Paris and her brothers and dad, are horrific. No child, teenager or adult should be exposed to this. I feel Paris should just get off Twitter and all other social networks, because it's not helping her.

okay, Golddolphin

I got u next on the panel..........

you are posting a present circumstance but you're not CONSIDERING THE CAUSE of why this is happening....

first and most, there is a spiritual component to why things happen, people just don't respond out of the box, they respond because of the circumstance of a situation or what has transpired over a period of time

second, if you read EVERYTHING I said about this situation when it was first reported this girl tried to harm herself.....YOU KNOW and anyone could see I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HER NEGATIVELY.....I TALKED ABOUT THE SITUATION......

and if you read my initial response, I said SHE'S ALREADY CRYING OUT OF DESPAIR......

but the question is...WHY is she crying out of despair at such a young age when she hasn't even begun living life yet?

but before I delve into that.....

what you said this girl has been going thru in the past year, multiply that times 20 and you get hate filled rhetoric directed at this family for the past 20 plus years......where this family has become the world's pinyata, because the world wants to call on a scapegoat to wipe their hands clean from directly/indirectly participating and encouraging the madness after Michael reached the pinnacle of his career.......

compare one year of hatred to 20 plus years of hatred and then we can talk

you say, Paris is going thru something, her attacks have primarily taken place on social media....but the attacks on this family has taken place by every form of communication medium on sight: TV/RADIO/PRINT/INTERNET/NEWS...the whole nine.....

you want to post up these tweets, what about what the actual children/grandchildren of this family has had to endure since the late 80s

but wait, here's some proof for you

did you see what Jackie said...about how all the hatred has fucked up the family dynamic and how the bullshit was hurting their mother

you see what his daughter and son said about them going home crying because people were teasing them about their family at school....

so don't feed me this stuff about these 3 kids being the brunt of the hate when before they were even thought of, this family was already being marginilized by teh public.......

Here what Jermaine said at the end of this clip, that they would have been better off remaining in Gary, if they knew the price they would have to pay down the line........

you see, what was once heaven turned into hell in a hand basket.......

and as I stated the other day..NOBODY should be attacked by the public, no matter who it is, to the point where people start namecalling are being hostile......

but how did it all lead to this....what is the root of the problem........

the reality is this Gold Dolphin, rather u like it or not.....

after Michael Jackson reached the pinnacle of his career, he embraced and championed the concept of racial indifference.....and that ambition drew hostile and exploitative people into his life, because he felt white was better than black and that's the bottom line...

he thought white people who he felt could validate his career were better than black people, and those individuals only associated with him because they knew they could take advantage of him as a result.....I'm not talking about good white people, for they were cool on the false image too.....but I'm referring to those who used him, exploited his name for their own purpose, to start or enhance their own careers in show bizness, and those who would eventually bail on him when he stood trial, and those who would accuse him of misconduct.......that's why you have the Wade Robson's of the world accusing him right now as we speak....

but that never would have happened, none of this crap would have happened if he had embraced who he was already and those attributes that were really responsible for his success..

these individuals didn't give two shits about Michael, they didn't care about culture either

his transformation cultivated hostility on every front, it directed hatred towards his family, and now that same hostility and the cause of is being directed towards these kids.....so in essence, EVERYONE is being thrown under the bus because of the false image

and now after 4 years, to uphold this false image, u got fans calling for DEBBIE ROWE to take over custody....but they forgot how they berated her too....calling her moneygrabber and a leecher, and uncaring mother, and talking about the way she looks, her size, and called for her to go back to her farm and ride her motorcycle.....that's shady no matter how u slice it....they didn't want her being around those 2 oldest kids AT ALL, now all of a sudden she's the saving grace.....the fickleness and the flip floppin

but this is the thing,

people complaining about the family not protecting the girl

but if my memory serves me.......after that fake concocted stun gun incidenct contrived by representatives of his legion....MJ FANS didn't want his family around those 3 kids...and especially when the lied about Janet hitting the girl, and said she was a deviant to those kids..the fans called on seperation between the family and those children....

and they practically demanded Katherine kid out her actual grandchildren who were living at the family home w/her......so what did she do, she was forced to kick out everyone in that house because the fans wanted her to focus on those 3 kids and those 3 kids only......

that's how sick this is.....so dont' try and pull no shade on me because Iv'e seen the entire thing go down.....

so now the family has distanced themselves from teh kids but now the fans are crying and moaning about it when it was them who put the hit out...

the hostility exists regarding these kids because a black man tried to convince a public that he fathered white children...insulting peopl'es intelligence...for if he had his own biological kids, these comments that u showing by people tweeting this girl would never exist.......

and as I said, it's not these kids fault

I got at least another 3 clips showing actual grandchildren of the family discussing how they have been victimized by commercial based media and fans directed hatefilled comments their way...

so anytime u wanna role, I can post those clips up too...

and free2BMe...

I got u last.......because every time u try and call me out u lie every time....

I got u later on today

wait, better yet, I'll put the whammy on u when u least expect

[Edited 6/9/13 14:39pm]

Free2BMe said:

Scorp, your response to Gold Dolphin was the same OLD, TIRED crap that you ALWAYS post. You say nothing of substance. You ramble and you rant. You try and diminish what Michael went through in order to defend the Jacksons. NONE of them went through what Michael went through. Damn, NO ONE ELSE, except Jesus, went through the negativity and "crucifixtion" that Michael went through. You talk about what the other jackson granchildren went through. If you multiply that by a 100X's, it still will not equate what Michael's children are going through, only because Michael is their FATHER. Jackie and Jermaine are not blaming Michael for the hate against them, they are blaming the media and the others who couldn't stand for a BLACK MAN to be the most POPULAR and WELL-KNOWN artist in history. You see scorp, Michael's SUCCESS caused the backlash against him. How dare a black man become more famous and bigger than Elvis or the Beatles!! Are you too far gone mentally to see the REAL reason for the hatred of Michael and the NON-STOP media campaign against Michael. Michael KNEW and said so in interviews and song. I don't know of ANY OTHER artist who went as far as he did in confronting his haters. He did it with "Leave Me Alone", "Stranger In Moscow", "D.S.","Money", "Tabloid Junkie", "Scream", "THreatened", "Ghosts", "Is it ScarY", "Unbreakable", "Invincible" and the list of songs goes on and on. Michael didn't just sit back and ALLOW this stuff to happen. He fought back and EVERYTIME that he fought back the media came back and added more lies and manipulated what he said in his music, words, interviews, etc. Just as YOU do everytime that you post about Michael. You and others like you help to perpetuate the negativity because either you are gullible and believe all of the tabloid lies or you are just too stupid and lazy to see the truth with it starring you in the face.

wait a minute....woooooooohhhhhh.....wait a second....stop the press...

wait......hold on.....shut the door.....

wooooohhhh........hold just frickin minute......

are u going to sit there and suggest that Michael Jackson's travail is on level with Jesus Christ...

is that where u are going with this?.........

now the gas has reached crucible level.........

wait just a minute.......now it has finally come out........

I want somebody to justify what this individual just claimed......

now we are comparing flesh and blood to the Father, the son, and the holy spirit

before I deal w/you in appropriate fashion.....

you're saying out of all of the human beings who's ever walked on this earth...BEFORE Jesus Christ that Michael was crucified more than anyone else?......

now he's being viewed as a deity?.....is this where we taking this.........

this is the most insane thing I've ever read......

[Edited 6/9/13 15:12pm]

That interview is sad.

Scorp, I kind of understand where you're coming from. It must be difficult for those young black kids who grew up with a young black male finally breaking barriers, to finally have somebody who was as big as Elvis, as loved as the Beatles. To be on the walls of kids bedrooms from Germany to Jamaica. To see somebody like you, up there, loved, breaking barriers, bringing people together. Then, to see him slowly transition into lighter, smaller nosed man etc. The effect that can have. I'm not silly, I know why people called Michael a sell out, but... I don't blame Michael. He too is a victim. Nina Simone said in the late 90's this:

NS: It's no surprise that Michael Jackson, the man that I adore the most in this world, has disappeared from the United STates. I distinctly remember meeting Michael on a plane many years ago when he was little, and I said to him, "Don't let them change you. You're black and you're beautiful." But of course, ha was influenced by his family and everybody else. And I don't mind if you say this, I think that the person who's responsible for Michael's tragedy is Quincy Jones [who co-produced his albums Thriller and Bad]. You can quote me.

AP: How is he responsible?
NS: It was Quincy who married a girl from Sweden [Oolah]. And with Quincy with all them white women, poor little Michael didn't know what to do. Michael needed somebody to emulate, and I think he did everything that Quincy Jones told him to do. That is what I believe.

AP: Does Quincy Jones know you feel this way?
NS: No, I don't think he knows.

AP: But what do you think about Michael Jackson's plastic surgery?
NS: Oh darling, he is becoming the freak of the century! It's unfortunate, because I love him very much. When you write this, will you put that my sympathies are with him? I adore that kid and I have cried many days when I thought he wasn't going to make it.

Nina Simone talks about not agreeing with interracial relationships, I don't agree with her there, and I believe her first husband was white, so perhaps that influenced her thoughts , but back to the topic. I don't think we can blame Michael. He seemed to be insecure about his looks from the get go, and when you're in a white washed world, in Hollywood... even the actresses, Liz Taylor, Monroe were all told to change their features etc. Michael being a childstar, being made into a product at such a young age, told how to talk, smile, how to conduct yourself, it's no wonder he was easily lead. David Gest said he had doctors whispering in his ears constantly. Little tweaks here, little tweaks there. Fans say he broke his nose which lead to his first nose job, but I think that's fabricated.

Michael having drive and ambition, and insecurity... they can be a weird mix of attributes to control. Nina Simone telling him to hold onto himself wasn't enough... if he had more of that around him, strength, self worth maybe things would have been different for him etc (let's not forget everyone in the Jacksons has had a nose job apart from Jackie it seems, including Katherine, Joe, 3t and I think Auggie), BUT, despite Michael's choice of surgery and his families, he didn't neglect his roots. They Don't Care About Us, his libary full of black history etc. Janet too. He may have been insecure within himself but he didn't hate his people. Michael wasn't happy with how he looked ever. Watching the footage of him 10 years ago visiting Gary, he's talking about how ugly he is, to Martin Bashir in the outtakes he said he look's 'STINKY' needing his own lighting etc. He said he hated his smile. He was insecure within himself. Yes being a black male in a white washed world played a big part but it also was his own personal battle wrapped up in all that too. And it's not fair to put it all on his shoulders.

He supported black artists, he was deeply into history, despite what people say he often said he was a black American and proud of his race. I do believe him. I don't support Farrakhan but he talks about Michael and his love for his people. Maybe his actions, doing what he did to himself, left alot of people who looked like him in the dark, but Michael was one individual, a young young man in a world if fakery and illusion. You know?

He never forgot his youth, his roots, his wanting Diana Ross as a legal guardian if anything should happen to Katherine, shows he cherishes those days where he grew up with Diana as a sort of motherly figure back in his Motown days. What he may have learned from those years, is something he obviously didn't mind having around his children. Even if their biological parents are white .

[Edited 6/9/13 15:05pm]

[Edited 6/9/13 15:07pm]

OfftheWall said:

That interview is sad.

Scorp, I kind of understand where you're coming from. It must be difficult for those young black kids who grew up with a young black male finally breaking barriers, to finally have somebody who was as big as Elvis, as loved as the Beatles. To be on the walls of kids bedrooms from Germany to Jamaica. To see somebody like you, up there, loved, breaking barriers, bringing people together. Then, to see him slowly transition into lighter, smaller nosed man etc. The effect that can have. I'm not silly, I know why people called Michael a sell out, but... I don't blame Michael. He too is a victim. Nina Simone said in the late 90's this:

NS: It's no surprise that Michael Jackson, the man that I adore the most in this world, has disappeared from the United STates. I distinctly remember meeting Michael on a plane many years ago when he was little, and I said to him, "Don't let them change you. You're black and you're beautiful." But of course, ha was influenced by his family and everybody else. And I don't mind if you say this, I think that the person who's responsible for Michael's tragedy is Quincy Jones [who co-produced his albums Thriller and Bad]. You can quote me.

AP: How is he responsible?
NS: It was Quincy who married a girl from Sweden [Oolah]. And with Quincy with all them white women, poor little Michael didn't know what to do. Michael needed somebody to emulate, and I think he did everything that Quincy Jones told him to do. That is what I believe.

AP: Does Quincy Jones know you feel this way?
NS: No, I don't think he knows.

AP: But what do you think about Michael Jackson's plastic surgery?
NS: Oh darling, he is becoming the freak of the century! It's unfortunate, because I love him very much. When you write this, will you put that my sympathies are with him? I adore that kid and I have cried many days when I thought he wasn't going to make it.

Nina Simone talks about not agreeing with interracial relationships, I don't agree with her there, and I believe her first husband was white, so perhaps that influenced her thoughts , but back to the topic. I don't think we can blame Michael. He seemed to be insecure about his looks from the get go, and when you're in a white washed world, in Hollywood... even the actresses, Liz Taylor, Monroe were all told to change their features etc. Michael being a childstar, being made into a product at such a young age, told how to talk, smile, how to conduct yourself, it's no wonder he was easily lead. David Gest said he had doctors whispering in his ears constantly. Little tweaks here, little tweaks there. Fans say he broke his nose which lead to his first nose job, but I think that's fabricated.

Michael having drive and ambition, and insecurity... they can be a weird mix of attributes to control. Nina Simone telling him to hold onto himself wasn't enough... if he had more of that around him, strength, self worth maybe things would have been different for him etc (let's not forget everyone in the Jacksons has had a nose job apart from Jackie it seems, including Katherine, Joe, 3t and I think Auggie), BUT, despite Michael's choice of surgery and his families, he didn't neglect his roots. They Don't Care About Us, his libary full of black history etc. Janet too. He may have been insecure within himself but he didn't hate his people. Michael wasn't happy with how he looked ever. Watching the footage of him 10 years ago visiting Gary, he's talking about how ugly he is, to Martin Bashir in the outtakes he said he look's 'STINKY' needing his own lighting etc. He said he hated his smile. He was insecure within himself. Yes being a black male in a white washed world played a big part but it also was his own personal battle wrapped up in all that too. And it's not fair to put it all on his shoulders.

He supported black artists, he was deeply into history, despite what people say he often said he was a black American and proud of his race. I do believe him. I don't support Farrakhan but he talks about Michael and his love for his people. Maybe his actions, doing what he did to himself, left alot of people who looked like him in the dark, but Michael was one individual, a young young man in a world if fakery and illusion. You know?

He never forgot his youth, his roots, his wanting Diana Ross as a legal guardian if anything should happen to Katherine, shows he cherishes those days where he grew up with Diana as a sort of motherly figure back in his Motown days. What he may have learned from those years, is something he obviously didn't mind having around his children. Even if their biological parents are white .

but wait, we just have someone taking this think to an entirely different level

now we got some fly by saying MIchael Jackson was crucified on teh same level as Jesus Christ

that offsets everything else......we are in trouble when we start reaching this type of conclusion

now Jesus has been acclimated into this mix......I don't even know how to respond to this one..

we better pray that's all I know...

Scorp said:

LiLi1992 said:

how he gave up all his assets??

In 1995, MJ and Sony set up a joint company combining ATV Music catalog with Sony Music Catalog ---- 50/50.

price of the company - minimum $ 2-3 billion.
Now this company - the market leader.

with annual revenues of over $ 100 million ...
this is real money, not the ridiculous declaration.

Tell me honestly, you're just a troll or really that ignorant in business?

as usual....half the story.....u posted up 1995, but no mention of what went down in 06, or 2008....

and these figures u posted, I already knew about it when it actually went down.....

thank u very much

and what happened?
Enlighten me.

These data are relevant for today, Estate MJ owns 50% of the company. I mentioned 1995 because this is the year of birth of the joint company.
later he took credits and use catalogs as collateral, it is true, but now his lawyers have already paid all of its loans and a catalog in his assets ...

if you are so meticulous, deal better with financial condition of Janet because she has become richer by nearly $ 750 million over the past couple of years, doing nothing in her artistic career. You should investigate the pathways of the money .... maybe it's some kind of illegal business.

Free2BMe said:

Lili, scorp won't investigate the rumor of Janet's worth going from $150 million (fans were trumpeting that with glee a FEW months ago) to her SUDDENLY being called a billonaire. Of course, people like scorp fell for the "okie dokie" and thinks everyone else is as gullible as he and other Janet stans are. Scorp only wants to put Michael in a bad light and diminish his legacy, financial worth, etc. Thereis no way in hell that scrop will admit that Janet is NOT worh a billion dollars. Her husband is really not a billionaire, because he SHARES his family's company with two brothers. However, when you point out Michael's assests (Sony/ATV publishing) is worth 2-3 billion, he ignores it. Just think this is not even including Michael's earnings for album sales, merchandising, tours, and other business ventures. Strange how scorp can consider Janet a billionaire, when just ONE album of Michael's has sold more than ALL of her albums COMBINED. See, scorp is a product of brainwashing by the media and I almost feel sorry for his gullibility and ignorance. It's really sad.

this is coming from someone who just put flesh and blood on the same level as Jesus Christ....

referring to a human being as a deity.....

but I'm about to use your own words against u and show just how much you've been conned, lied to, used, and exploited

Offthewall, I agreed with a few points in your post. However, I wanted to clariy one point- Prince and Paris Jackson parents are BLACK(Michael Jackson) AND WHITE(Debbie Rowe). Blanket's biological parents are BLACK (Michael Jackson) and MIXED and/or Hispanic(Mother's name/race unknown).Unless someone has proof to the contrary, this is what I will CONTINUE to believe as FACT. There has never been any proof to make me change my mind. Michael Jackson IS the BIOLOGICAL father of Prince, Paris AND Blanket.

there's contradictions flying all over the place in this statement....conjecture and hyperboles....

and by u thinking u told the truth, you lied.....

before I break down this gas mixture....

during that BAshir documentary, when Michael was asked who the mother was of that youngest kid.....at first Michael said he never knew the mother....never seen the mother...then when Bashir brought up the fact the kids mother wasn't black, MIKE turns around and gives an entirely different answer 30 seconds later, and when I say 30 seconds, I mean thirty seconds..and said the mother was black, and when he said it, he knew he was lying, and Bashir had a look as if to say, let me get the hell outta here for his intelligence was being insulted.....

now that's what HE SAID, but you said these exact words....

Blanket's biological parents are BLACK (Michael Jackson) and MIXED and/or Hispanic(Mother's name/race unknown).Unless someone has proof to the contrary, this is what I will CONTINUE to believe as FACT. There has never been any proof to make me change my mind. Michael Jackson IS the BIOLOGICAL father of Prince, Paris AND Blanket.

now, in one instant, you said the kid's mother was mixed and or HIspanic (which even that draw too much confusion)....then in the next context, you said the race of the mother was UNKNOWN....

so how in the hell (as you put it) can she be one thing, but then a second later it's not known or not for sure who she was....

but MIKE said the mother was black after saying he didn't know who the mother was..

so if he's saying the mother was black and him being born black, he's really saying the youngest kid is black.......

then to back it up, he said his father has BLUE EYES...

so either one of 3 things...

1.) he was not honest to the public

2.) you are not being honest

3.) he wasn't honest with u

ya see...IT'S ALL THREE.....

then u said this

this is what I will CONTINUE to believe as FACT.

there's contradictions flying around in this one too......

you will continue to "believe" this as fact, but by believing in continuance, then it's not definite it's fact....it's only "fact" that you're choosing to believe it....

and if you said that the racial identity of the mother is unknown, then that means, that kid don't know either...THAT means, he don't know who his mother is....THAT MEANS...that's about as tragic as you can get......THAT means, he don't know who his mother is or his biological father....and THAT means, more than likely, he will be walking in despair in the next couple of years, and THAT means we may very well hear about him trying to harm himself too.....

so cut the crap about the deity/cruxifiction talk...

and I know about the figures of what's being generating about that catalog.......you aint tellin me nothing that wasn't known....

it aint the question as to whether the catalog is drawing that level of revenue...

the question is who truly owns it......

and more than likely, when this trial really heats up, all that stuff will come out unfortunately, and you'll be willowing in your wallow, setting yourself up for the okie doke for like the 15th time

and regarding Janet, u the won relying on the info that she was worth 150 million dollars, and where did you get that info from....who is your source...Commercial media.....

but you have no clue what she did w/her stash all these years, and now that she owns her masters, that means she controls her music, her name, the whole nine.......

and I didn't say anything about what her husband was worth...that doesn't even add into this equation...thats' insignificant

so that was a mini okie doke...

and you aint never seen me talk about her finances at all until we learned what we learned a couple of weeks ago.....

so get your jip sheet straight....

you'll be the last one I go at....I'll just wait for the picture perfect moment when u least expect

keep that popcorn poppin

pop goes the weasle because the weasle goes pop

I'll leave this matter be....and see how this all plays out

[Edited 6/9/13 20:07pm]

Scrop is a proud MJ hater why yall entertaining him? The Jackson family could rob a bank and scrop will still come up with some ridiculous reason with why they are angels.

mjscarousal said:

Scrop is a proud MJ hater why yall entertaining him? The Jackson family could rob a bank and scrop will still come up with some ridiculous reason with why they are angels.

don't drop the ball...

I see nobody as angels, I aint the one who just sat here and compared a human being to Jesus Christ......

and quite to the contrary, Im' sure I listen to MJ'S music more than you have and more than u do......

nothing to prove.......

it's the false image that's the problem......

but wait, now DEBBIE ROWE is the custodial guardian of choice after years of backbiting her too...

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Scrop is a proud MJ hater why yall entertaining him? The Jackson family could rob a bank and scrop will still come up with some ridiculous reason with why they are angels.

don't drop the ball...

I see nobody as angels, I aint the one who just sat here and compared a human being to Jesus Christ......

and quite to the contrary, Im' sure I listen to MJ'S music more than you have and more than u do......

nothing to prove.......

it's the false image that's the problem......

but wait, now DEBBIE ROWE is the custodial guardian of choice after years of backbiting her too...

Whatever LOL You spend more time dissecting Michael Jacksons brain with giving delusional assumptions on how he thinks and making long ass paragraphs on why he is such a bad person and riding the Jackson familys d%$#. I am so sick of your bullshit. You spend more time talking about your OWN delusions than the mans music... so whatever. Thats just MY opinion that doesnt speak for ALL the Michael Jackson fans loon.

mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

don't drop the ball...

I see nobody as angels, I aint the one who just sat here and compared a human being to Jesus Christ......

and quite to the contrary, Im' sure I listen to MJ'S music more than you have and more than u do......

nothing to prove.......

it's the false image that's the problem......

but wait, now DEBBIE ROWE is the custodial guardian of choice after years of backbiting her too...

Whatever LOL You spend more time dissecting Michael Jacksons brain with giving delusional assumptions on how he thinks and making long ass paragraphs on why he is such a bad person and riding the Jackson familys d%$#. I am so sick of your bullshit. You spend more time talking about your OWN delusions than the mans music... so whatever. Thats just MY opinion that doesnt speak for ALL the Michael Jackson fans loon.

I waint worried about those 1st grade, sesame street insult attempts...

and I don't care if u sick about what's being said....

u pulled one of the greatest flip flops ever......Debbie Rowe used to be on the hit list, now of a sudden, she's one of the greatest hits....

all of a sudden, Debbie Rowe is sunshine.....

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Whatever LOL You spend more time dissecting Michael Jacksons brain with giving delusional assumptions on how he thinks and making long ass paragraphs on why he is such a bad person and riding the Jackson familys d%$#. I am so sick of your bullshit. You spend more time talking about your OWN delusions than the mans music... so whatever. Thats just MY opinion that doesnt speak for ALL the Michael Jackson fans loon.

I waint worried about those 1st grade, sesame street insult attempts...

and I don't care if u sick about what's being said....

u pulled one of the greatest flip flops ever......Debbie Rowe used to be on the hit list, now of a sudden, she's one of the greatest hits....

all of a sudden, Debbie Rowe is sunshine.....

Is something mentally wrong with you? Are you this densed?

If the Jacksons dont give a shit about the children's wellbeing and Debbie is stepping up to the plate by showing that she CARES about the children then I think the children should go with her. This is not about Debbie... this is about the WELFARE OF THE CHILDREN. MICHAEL IS NOT HERE ANYMORE. So given these circumstances the children need to go with guardians who are going to care for them and NOT exploit them for money like THE JACKSONS HAVE. Debbie has not did that since Michaels passing. Debbie has called the Jacksons out on their fuckery. Debbie went to the hospital and has shown an interest in the childrens well being.... The Jacksons HAVE NOT. So yes the children should be taken away from them. The courts obviously agrees which is why they are looking into the matter as we speak.

mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

I waint worried about those 1st grade, sesame street insult attempts...

and I don't care if u sick about what's being said....

u pulled one of the greatest flip flops ever......Debbie Rowe used to be on the hit list, now of a sudden, she's one of the greatest hits....

all of a sudden, Debbie Rowe is sunshine.....

Is something mentally wrong with you? Are you this densed?

If the Jacksons dont give a shit about the children's wellbeing and Debbie is stepping up to the plate by showing that she CARES about the children then I think the children should go with her. This is not about Debbie... this is about the WELFARE OF THE CHILDREN. MICHAEL IS NOT HERE ANYMORE. So given these circumstances the children need to go with guardians who are going to care for them and NOT exploit them for money like THE JACKSONS HAVE. Debbie has not did that since Michaels passing. Debbie has called the Jacksons out on their fuckery. Debbie went to the hospital and has shown an interest in the childrens well being.... The Jacksons HAVE NOT. So yes the children should be taken away from them. The courts obviously agrees which is why they are looking into the matter as we speak.

that was a kindergarten insult attempt...but wait...I wouldn't insult kids in K-School like that, at least they know how to work a puzzle

but just 3 1/2 years ago......DEBBIE was called every name under the book, she was called the moneygrab and she was called out because fans said she only had the children because she wanted money

but now, she's the person called on to save the day....

that equation doesn't even add up......that jip sheet has tipped off the scale....

but late 2010 after that fake stun gun incident and especially last year when they lied about Janet hitting the girl, fans didn't want the family around any of those 3 kids, Katherine was forced to boot out everyone else in her home because fans wanted her to focus on those 3 kids and them only......

they didn't want Rebbie around her, they didn't want Latoya around them, especially janet, or none of the brothers....and Joe Jackson himself had better not even mention their names

so yall got what u wanted but still complainin....they only doing what the fans called for

Free2BMe said:

Offthewall, I agreed with a few points in your post. However, I wanted to clariy one point- Prince and Paris Jackson parents are BLACK(Michael Jackson) AND WHITE(Debbie Rowe). Blanket's biological parents are BLACK (Michael Jackson) and MIXED and/or Hispanic(Mother's name/race unknown).Unless someone has proof to the contrary, this is what I will CONTINUE to believe as FACT. There has never been any proof to make me change my mind. Michael Jackson IS the BIOLOGICAL father of Prince, Paris AND Blanket.

I never said that they are white, I said EVEN IF their parents are white, and I only said that because the discussion in this thread had a few tidbits about their dna make up being that way. It's not in my interest to assume things about Michael's kids.

People, people, people, having Jesus Juice does NOT make you comparable to Jesus

Free2BMe said:

Scorp, your response to Gold Dolphin was the same OLD, TIRED crap that you ALWAYS post. You say nothing of substance. You ramble and you rant. You try and diminish what Michael went through in order to defend the Jacksons.

And the sad thing is, the Jacksons don't even pay nostalgia fans like himself any attetnion. He is so out of touch he doens't even know that one of the biggest jokes said about them is, the Jacksons don't reach out to the black community. Their thing is to suck up to the tabloids and their audience. But because old school fans like scorp is so desperate for a "black royal family", they don't and won't call this out. The ironic thing is, MJ gets crap for his blackness, but never did MJ not give the black media the best exclusives.

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I've been off the org for couple of days cause I knew how the discussion was going to turn and I just did not have the energy to read or bother replying. So thanks Off the Wall for your posts. I enjoyed reading them.

As for that picture of Paris bullying on Twitter. WOW. That should have been a criminal offense and that person should pay for it.

Diana Ross ‘Extremely Concerned’ About Paris Jackson

June 10, 2013

*Diana Ross, named by close friend Michael Jackson to be the back-up guardian to his three children, is said to be “extremely concerned” about her godchild Paris following her suicide attempt last week.

A source told RadarOnline.com: ”Diana is extremely concerned about Paris. She was stunned that Paris attempted suicide and has vowed to make sure she gets the help she needs.”

According to Michael’s final will before his death, Diana, 69, would gain custody of daughter Paris, 15, and brothers Prince, 16, and Blanket, 11, should their 83-year-old grandmother Katherine no longer be able to take care of them.

However, although she is worried about Paris, the former Supremes singer isn’t said to be interested in taking custody of the children away from Katherine as she feels they are well looked after in her care.
The source added: ”Diana absolutely isn’t going to make a move for custody of the children. She only wants what is best for them. Diana has tremendous respect for Katherine and all that she has done for the children and told her, last week when they spoke, that if she needed anything, she stands ready to help in anyway.”

The boss has spoken!!!

mookie said:

Free2BMe said:

Scorp, your response to Gold Dolphin was the same OLD, TIRED crap that you ALWAYS post. You say nothing of substance. You ramble and you rant. You try and diminish what Michael went through in order to defend the Jacksons.

And the sad thing is, the Jacksons don't even pay nostalgia fans like himself any attetnion. He is so out of touch he doens't even know that one of the biggest jokes said about them is, the Jacksons don't reach out to the black community. Their thing is to suck up to the tabloids and their audience. But because old school fans like scorp is so desperate for a "black royal family", they don't and won't call this out. The ironic thing is, MJ gets crap for his blackness, but never did MJ not give the black media the best exclusives.

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u got it wrong once again...stop embarassing yourself

learn for a change........open the books

if u read between the lines of your own comment, u will see the root of the division, that permeates major facets of our culture

I NEVER EVER use the term OLD SCHOOL, that casts division right there out the box, it creates wedges

OLD SCHOOL terminology did not exist until the pop ascension movement began to take reign....

so when the movement began to extract the greatest virture, when they began to tap into the well, when they began to exploit culture, to make the transition expand, those who's running the system of things began to indoctrinate the lexicon with differentiation, to make it appear the past was no longer viable, to distinguish what was soon to be presented to the masses, they formulated the term NEW SCHOOl......

but ironically, for NEW SCHOOL to thrive, they had to incorporate elements from OLD SCHOOL without publically recognizing where the source of expression really derived from....

that creates hostility

from 1969-1984, when MJ was riding high, there was no such thing as NEW FANS and OLD FANS, it was ALL FANS, the fans stood on one accord

there wasn't all this bitching and moaning going on......

when u don't succomb to distinctions, then you're able to see the full picture

the point of view sustains linear structure rather than relying or shaping opinion based on points of reference, that's when things get botchy

And the sad thing is, the Jacksons don't even pay nostalgia fans like himself any attetnion

and this is a perfect example of a fly by making a comment but not understanding the root cause of why this predicament occured to begin with......

but since u opened up a can of worms, dry worms........

this highlights the dysfunctional manner in which the pop ascension has operated over the past 26 years where

see, it aint about black, it's about your foundation, whomever they may be during the beginning of an experience, it's about who your original support is

if you're a country music singer, then those who grew up listening to country music is going to be the person's original audience, the foundation, the ones who make it all possible....

but the pop ascension destroyed all of that, especially a number of black artists of the 80s started to gain greater prominence, they were drawn from their original audience....

so the audience you see the Jacksons playing to in the present exclusively exists because of that dynamic...

for you see, the pop ascension lacked balance, it operated on extreme measures, that's the only way it could exists in order to exploit culture and disregard the original support

but if things were done in balance as it should have been, then those artists would have been able to maintain rapport w/their original support while garnering a new generation of fans

and therefore YOU WOULDN'T HAVE OLD SCHOOL VS NEW SCHOOL.....

class is closed for the day

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