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Reply #120 posted 06/03/13 5:52pm

Scorp

mjscarousal said:

kibbles said:

OH PUL-LEASE!!! you need to quit. i can post judgment on janet, after all this is a public board, isn't it? are you the moderator? no. so shut your pie hole. you constantly throw shade at mj every time you come to post on this thread. enuf with your b.s.

Pretty much....Anybody who thinks its okay for grown adult fans to call a 14 year old girl a bitch and to call a man who cries because he can not find his mother a coward is sick in the head. JUST SICK AND NUTS. It could have been ANYBODYs child... you dont call no child out their name and you are never to old to cry for your mother especially if you dont know where she is and is blocked from speaking to her.

What about when a litany of current MJ fans (not all but an entire ensemble)....

what about calling an 80 year old woman a mother fucker, or even one fan called her a nigger

what about when they caleld Rebbie a slut

what about when they called Janet a whore

what about when they called Rebbie a bitch

what about all that?

because I saw that on the regular ever since that media driven fiasco took place where Janet never touched that girl, and there's no proof she called that girl a bitch...

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Reply #121 posted 06/03/13 6:11pm

mjscarousal

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Pretty much....Anybody who thinks its okay for grown adult fans to call a 14 year old girl a bitch and to call a man who cries because he can not find his mother a coward is sick in the head. JUST SICK AND NUTS. It could have been ANYBODYs child... you dont call no child out their name and you are never to old to cry for your mother especially if you dont know where she is and is blocked from speaking to her.

What about when a litany of current MJ fans (not all but an entire ensemble)....

what about calling an 80 year old woman a mother fucker, or even one fan called her a nigger

what about when they caleld Rebbie a slut

what about when they called Janet a whore

what about when they called Rebbie a bitch

what about all that?

because I saw that on the regular ever since that media driven fiasco took place where Janet never touched that girl, and there's no proof she called that girl a bitch...

I clearly said "grown adult fans" so I clearly was talking about Janet fans and not what the media reported.

I feel like adult FANS over 30 calling a child a bitch is more shocking than adults calling adults out their name. Rebbie, Janet and Katherine were the reason why that fiasco took place in the first place more specifically Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy. Now I am not saying what some MJ fans said was right but I can see why they said it. The family have done nothing but exploited Michael since his death. There behavior has been appauling. I just think its mindblowing how you would defend what the Janet fans said about a child. Regardless what MJ fans said its not right to call a minor out their name, PERIOD. These grown ass adults said this who have children of their own!! Triflin. You can be a big Janet fan but that is taking it too far.

[Edited 6/3/13 18:13pm]

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Reply #122 posted 06/03/13 6:20pm

Scorp

mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

What about when a litany of current MJ fans (not all but an entire ensemble)....

what about calling an 80 year old woman a mother fucker, or even one fan called her a nigger

what about when they caleld Rebbie a slut

what about when they called Janet a whore

what about when they called Rebbie a bitch

what about all that?

because I saw that on the regular ever since that media driven fiasco took place where Janet never touched that girl, and there's no proof she called that girl a bitch...

I clearly said "grown adult fans" so I clearly was talking about Janet fans and not what the media reported.

I feel like adult FANS over 30 calling a child a bitch is more shocking than adults calling adults out their name. Rebbie, Janet and Katherine were the reason why that fiasco took place in the first place more specifically Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy. Now I am not saying what some fans said was right but I can see what they said it. The family have done nothing but exploited Michael since his death. There behavior has been appauling. I just like its mindblowing how you would defend what the Janet fans said about a child. Regardless what MJ fans said its not right to call a minor out their name, PERIOD. These grown ass adults said this who have children of their own!! Triflin. You can be a big Janet fan but that is taking it too far.

so you're telling me that it's justified for a body of people to call a 80 plus year old woman a muther fucker and a nigger?......

is that where this is headed?

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Reply #123 posted 06/03/13 6:50pm

mjscarousal

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

I clearly said "grown adult fans" so I clearly was talking about Janet fans and not what the media reported.

I feel like adult FANS over 30 calling a child a bitch is more shocking than adults calling adults out their name. Rebbie, Janet and Katherine were the reason why that fiasco took place in the first place more specifically Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy. Now I am not saying what some fans said was right but I can see what they said it. The family have done nothing but exploited Michael since his death. There behavior has been appauling. I just like its mindblowing how you would defend what the Janet fans said about a child. Regardless what MJ fans said its not right to call a minor out their name, PERIOD. These grown ass adults said this who have children of their own!! Triflin. You can be a big Janet fan but that is taking it too far.

so you're telling me that it's justified for a body of people to call a 80 plus year old woman a muther fucker and a nigger?......

is that where this is headed?

Me saying that I can see why they made those remarks doesnt mean I agree with them. I made that clear those comments were not right or did you choose to ignore it like you do with everything? You still havent commented on how ignorent the adult Janet stans were for calling Paris a bitch. Your a grown ass man yourself and you think this is okay?

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Reply #124 posted 06/03/13 7:13pm

Scorp

mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

so you're telling me that it's justified for a body of people to call a 80 plus year old woman a muther fucker and a nigger?......

is that where this is headed?

Me saying that I can see why they made those remarks doesnt mean I agree with them. I made that clear those comments were not right or did you choose to ignore it like you do with everything? You still havent commented on how ignorent the adult Janet stans were for calling Paris a bitch. Your a grown ass man yourself and you think this is okay?

le'ts calm down, I don't call people out their name....

no, nobody should call anyone our their name...

but see, that's looking at the effect rather than discerning the cause of this entire situation

and the cause stems from a single choice that began some 26-27 years ago that led to that moment......one single choice led to this chaos

the fact that an 80 year old woman has to raise 3 kids it's insane within itself...

no 80 year old woman should have to worry about raising kids no matter who she is

there is absolutely NO excuse for calling a woman who's 80 year old such deragotory names and I don't care who it is and who's saying it.......

that's why I left KOP because people allowed that crap and encouraged it behidn the scenes

the root of the problem regarding these 3 kids is the fact neither one are of biological kin to anyone in that family, and that has caused a great deal of hostility for everyone involved...

you can't make 1+1=3

until the majority of MJ can wrap their mind around that, a reality that most of the world has known since day one, then their anger will be directed at the wrong people and the wrong source.....for the person they have been angry at all those years is the person who has triggered their anger, the person they have tried to uphold after he reached the pinnacle of his career some 29 years ago, but they dont want to acknowledge that or either can't see it

his family is not exploiting Michael, Michael exploited himself

it's funny how all the majority of MJ fans have to talk about a trial and round of fiascos

that's what this entire experience has bee reduced to

but slowly but surely, after years of turmoil and undeserved backbite

not only are his brothers touring, but thriving w/no end in sight, performing in front of 150,000 people, and people didn't have the slightest iota how good they really are and how good they would have been if they wouldn't have been juked out of 20 plus years.........where's all this LAZY TALK

and baby sister Janet has uttered a chess move for the ages and people can't figure out how she did it...

everything is returning back to full circle

not because I'm a Janet fan taking up for her as much as it is, this is how the experience should have been all along....

all MICHAEL JACKSON had to do was stay the same and tehse discussions wouldn't even exist and there's no doubts in that

[Edited 6/3/13 19:41pm]

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Reply #125 posted 06/03/13 7:42pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Me saying that I can see why they made those remarks doesnt mean I agree with them. I made that clear those comments were not right or did you choose to ignore it like you do with everything? You still havent commented on how ignorent the adult Janet stans were for calling Paris a bitch. Your a grown ass man yourself and you think this is okay?

le'ts calm down, I don't call people out their name....

no, nobody should call anyone our their name...

but see, that's looking at the effect rather than discerning the cause of this entire situation

and the cause stems from a single choice that began some 26-27 years ago that led to that moment......one single choice led to this chaos

the fact that an 80 year old woman has to raise 3 kids it's insane within itself...

no 80 year old woman should have to worry about raising kids no matter who she is

there is absolutely NO excuse for calling a woman who's 80 year old such deragotory names and I don't care who it is and who's saying it.......

that's why I left KOP because people allowed that crap and encouraged it behidn the scenes

the root of the problem regarding these 3 kids is the fact neither one are of biological kin to anyone in that family, and that has caused a great deal of hostility for everyone involved...

you can't make 1+1=3

until the majority of MJ can wrap their mind around that, a reality that most of the world has known since day one, then their anger will be directed at the wrong people and the wrong source.....for the person they have been angry at all those years is the person who has triggered their anger, the person they have tried to uphold after he reached the pinnacle of his career some 29 years ago, but they dont want to acknowledge that or either can't see it

his family is not exploiting Michael, Michael exploited himself

it's funny how all the majority of MJ fans have to talk about a trial and round of fiascos

that's what this entire experience has bee reduced to

but slowly but surely, after years of turmoil and undeserved backbite

not only are his brothers touring, but thriving w/no end in sight, performing in front of 150,000 people, and people didn't have the slightest iota how good they really are and how good they would have been if they wouldn't have been juked out of 20 plus years

and baby sister Janet has uttered a chess move for the ages and people can't figure out how she did it...

everything is returning back to full circle

not because I'm a Janet fan taking up for her as much as it is, this is how the experience should have been all along....

all MICHAEL JACKSON had to do was stay the same and tehse discussions wouldn't even exist and there's no doubts in that

[Edited 6/3/13 19:17pm]

[Edited 6/3/13 19:38pm]

nod

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #126 posted 06/03/13 7:55pm

mjscarousal

Why did I even bother....

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Reply #127 posted 06/03/13 8:20pm

Scorp

mjscarousal said:

Why did I even bother....

Carousal

one day, it's going to be understood that there is no enemy, never was....

for the real enemy are the lies.....the lies are the source of the problems....

If Michael Jackson would have stayed the same and stayed who he was

what happened to him at the age of 50 would not have happened

this guy would have been sitting on a real throne rather than the King of Pop Throne

if he would have surrounded himself with endearning people who truly had his best interest at heart rather than the syncophants he did surround himself with (excluding his family), his life would have flowed like butter

the family has never been the problem

everyone who has ever accused him of misconduct was never related to him...

what in the world have they ever done, or I should ask, when have they ever said anything negative about MJ's fans after THRILLER that deserved so much hate......NOTHING....

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Reply #128 posted 06/03/13 9:22pm

mjscarousal

I really wish Michael could have incorporated more tap dancing in his live performances. He was a excellent.

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Reply #129 posted 06/03/13 9:53pm

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Prince never get''s this much love on a MJ fansite.

2014-Year of the Parties
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Reply #130 posted 06/03/13 10:24pm

kibbles

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Why did I even bother....

Carousal

one day, it's going to be understood that there is no enemy, never was....

for the real enemy are the lies.....the lies are the source of the problems....

If Michael Jackson would have stayed the same and stayed who he was

what happened to him at the age of 50 would not have happened

this guy would have been sitting on a real throne rather than the King of Pop Throne

if he would have surrounded himself with endearning people who truly had his best interest at heart rather than the syncophants he did surround himself with (excluding his family), his life would have flowed like butter

the family has never been the problem

everyone who has ever accused him of misconduct was never related to him...

what in the world have they ever done, or I should ask, when have they ever said anything negative about MJ's fans after THRILLER that deserved so much hate......NOTHING....

they are the reason he ran away, and they're still chasing after him, won't leave him alone, dragging him through the mud with this trial, so they can continue to stick their hands in his pockets, and so his so-called beloved sister janet can continue to wipe her ass with his memory. that's how little mj means to this "family".

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Reply #131 posted 06/03/13 10:40pm

Scorp

kibbles said:

Scorp said:

Carousal

one day, it's going to be understood that there is no enemy, never was....

for the real enemy are the lies.....the lies are the source of the problems....

If Michael Jackson would have stayed the same and stayed who he was

what happened to him at the age of 50 would not have happened

this guy would have been sitting on a real throne rather than the King of Pop Throne

if he would have surrounded himself with endearning people who truly had his best interest at heart rather than the syncophants he did surround himself with (excluding his family), his life would have flowed like butter

the family has never been the problem

everyone who has ever accused him of misconduct was never related to him...

what in the world have they ever done, or I should ask, when have they ever said anything negative about MJ's fans after THRILLER that deserved so much hate......NOTHING....

they are the reason he ran away, and they're still chasing after him, won't leave him alone, dragging him through the mud with this trial, so they can continue to stick their hands in his pockets, and so his so-called beloved sister janet can continue to wipe her ass with his memory. that's how little mj means to this "family".

yeah, keep on believing that fable, you'll fall to the okie doke once again....

the family aint the problem...never was......

all his troubles happened when he seperated from his family

people want to talk about his family "leeching"..

well, it looks to me, all the money that he lost was to those who had no relation to him....

janet has no reason to chase after his name...

janet didn't have to shelf off all her assets to secure a concert tour series that never had a chance

she won't have to bring up his name ever again if she didn't want to.....she has a billion dollar stashed away...how bout those apples...

Janet owns her masters..MJ had to give away everything

the brothers are riding sky high, after getting juked out of 21 years, and performing in front of 100,000 plus....doing great with no end in sight...so much for the "lazy" talk.....

that's another fable.....

aint nobody sticking their hands in his pockets, because in the end, there was nothing there....

all the man had to do was remain himself......that's what this all comes down to after 2 and 1/2 decades.....and then it really could have been all about the music

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Reply #132 posted 06/03/13 11:19pm

kibbles

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Me saying that I can see why they made those remarks doesnt mean I agree with them. I made that clear those comments were not right or did you choose to ignore it like you do with everything? You still havent commented on how ignorent the adult Janet stans were for calling Paris a bitch. Your a grown ass man yourself and you think this is okay?

le'ts calm down, I don't call people out their name....

no, nobody should call anyone our their name...

but see, that's looking at the effect rather than discerning the cause of this entire situation

and the cause stems from a single choice that began some 26-27 years ago that led to that moment......one single choice led to this chaos

the fact that an 80 year old woman has to raise 3 kids it's insane within itself...

no 80 year old woman should have to worry about raising kids no matter who she is

there is absolutely NO excuse for calling a woman who's 80 year old such deragotory names and I don't care who it is and who's saying it.......

that's why I left KOP because people allowed that crap and encouraged it behidn the scenes

the root of the problem regarding these 3 kids is the fact neither one are of biological kin to anyone in that family, and that has caused a great deal of hostility for everyone involved...

you can't make 1+1=3

until the majority of MJ can wrap their mind around that, a reality that most of the world has known since day one, then their anger will be directed at the wrong people and the wrong source.....for the person they have been angry at all those years is the person who has triggered their anger, the person they have tried to uphold after he reached the pinnacle of his career some 29 years ago, but they dont want to acknowledge that or either can't see it

his family is not exploiting Michael, Michael exploited himself

it's funny how all the majority of MJ fans have to talk about a trial and round of fiascos

that's what this entire experience has bee reduced to

but slowly but surely, after years of turmoil and undeserved backbite

not only are his brothers touring, but thriving w/no end in sight, performing in front of 150,000 people, and people didn't have the slightest iota how good they really are and how good they would have been if they wouldn't have been juked out of 20 plus years.........where's all this LAZY TALK

and baby sister Janet has uttered a chess move for the ages and people can't figure out how she did it...

everything is returning back to full circle

not because I'm a Janet fan taking up for her as much as it is, this is how the experience should have been all along....

all MICHAEL JACKSON had to do was stay the same and tehse discussions wouldn't even exist and there's no doubts in that

[Edited 6/3/13 19:41pm]

yes, the bad decision that was made 27 years ago was for mj to go on a tour that he didn't want to do in the first damn place, but for his damn mother crying to manipulate him into doing it. and then when he agreed, she along with joe, jesse jackson, don king, exploited mj, leaving him to take the brunt of the bad publicity that went along with the jacksons shaking down HIS fans, a burned scalp, years of excruciating surgery and painkiller addiction, while they continued to exploit his success by signing a contract with a south korean promoter, and stealing the money meant for the proposed concert, and laying up in kat's house having illegitimate children on mj's dime. yeah, they didn't exploit him at all. PUH-LEAZE!!

you have a problem with people calling kat a nigger, but you have no problem apportioning blame to prince and paris for all the drama b/c (according to you) mj's family refuses to accept them b/c of the color of their skin. hypocrite much? there's a simple solution: katherine can give custody to someone else. oh that's right. if the white kids go, so does all the money mj gave to them that she gets to control for now.

btw, at the custody hearing kat's lawyer stated that tj handled most of the daily responsibility for mj's kids, along with the nanny. she doesn't have to, nor IN FACT does she, take care of mj's kids. good. in a few years, they'll be out of her hair, and she won't have to lower herself to scrape behind mj's white kids, since they're the source of all her problems. the family should be jumping for joy at the prospect. all of their troubles will be over, since mj will really be out of their lives for good at that point, right?

and yes, i'm happy that the jackson boys are regaling the world once again with their massive tour and scary awesome talent. why, anyone can see that they outstrip mj in every way. why, i'm suuuurrre everyone is waiting with baited breath for their next cd to drop. why, i heard absolutely NO ONE talking about it just the other day. i guess i don't understand how you can call a tour successful when you can't even manage to sell out a 3000-seat venue. but then again, you are the delusional poster who believes that marlon sold millions and millions of albums (and if it weren't for that awful, awful, awful mj, marlon would have been able to sail as high as the sky. as it is, he's too busy crying on tv b/c janet and jermaine didn't let him talk to his mama, either.)

and yes, i'm sure janet is very happy and triumphant. it must be nice for her to see her brother in his crypt. she's always smiling whenever she's interviewed about his death, so i imagine so. she must think, like you, that he deserved it. b/c if anyone is a nigger, it's mj, right, scorp? the worst kind of nigger, too. a sell out nigger. just so i'm clear: it's not okay to call katherine a nigger, but you can pretty much call mj that in almost every single argument you make, and you have no problem with it, right? got it.

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Reply #133 posted 06/03/13 11:35pm

kibbles

Scorp said:

kibbles said:

they are the reason he ran away, and they're still chasing after him, won't leave him alone, dragging him through the mud with this trial, so they can continue to stick their hands in his pockets, and so his so-called beloved sister janet can continue to wipe her ass with his memory. that's how little mj means to this "family".

yeah, keep on believing that fable, you'll fall to the okie doke once again....

the family aint the problem...never was......

all his troubles happened when he seperated from his family

people want to talk about his family "leeching"..

well, it looks to me, all the money that he lost was to those who had no relation to him....

janet has no reason to chase after his name...

janet didn't have to shelf off all her assets to secure a concert tour series that never had a chance

she won't have to bring up his name ever again if she didn't want to.....she has a billion dollar stashed away...how bout those apples...

Janet owns her masters..MJ had to give away everything

the brothers are riding sky high, after getting juked out of 21 years, and performing in front of 100,000 plus....doing great with no end in sight...so much for the "lazy" talk.....

that's another fable.....

aint nobody sticking their hands in his pockets, because in the end, there was nothing there....

all the man had to do was remain himself......that's what this all comes down to after 2 and 1/2 decades.....and then it really could have been all about the music

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well, good. i'm glad you, and janet, and the jackson brothers, and kool are happy and triumphant. mj's dead and according to you, he deserved everything he had coming to him. happy? you sound like you are. but it isn't enuf to be happy about it. for some reason you and kool feel the need to come here and gloat. it's not enuf that the other jacksons are alive, and mj's dead. no, you both always feel the need to come here and tap dance on his grave. make sure that you put him in his place: underfoot where you believe he should have rightfully been for the transgression of "having forgotten where he came from". the german's have a word for it: schadenfreude. taking pleasure in someone else's misfortune. i never go to the janet threads b/c i never liked her, and i like her even less now, so why would i go to post in her thread? i don't get it. if either of you were so secure in your opinions of janet and the brothers, you wouldn't need to come here. whatever. i'm done responding to you. i won't ever again, troll.

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Reply #134 posted 06/04/13 12:33am

LiLi1992

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Scorp said:

kibbles said:

they are the reason he ran away, and they're still chasing after him, won't leave him alone, dragging him through the mud with this trial, so they can continue to stick their hands in his pockets, and so his so-called beloved sister janet can continue to wipe her ass with his memory. that's how little mj means to this "family".

yeah, keep on believing that fable, you'll fall to the okie doke once again....

the family aint the problem...never was......

all his troubles happened when he seperated from his family

people want to talk about his family "leeching"..

well, it looks to me, all the money that he lost was to those who had no relation to him....

janet has no reason to chase after his name...

janet didn't have to shelf off all her assets to secure a concert tour series that never had a chance

she won't have to bring up his name ever again if she didn't want to.....she has a billion dollar stashed away...how bout those apples...

Janet owns her masters..MJ had to give away everything

the brothers are riding sky high, after getting juked out of 21 years, and performing in front of 100,000 plus....doing great with no end in sight...so much for the "lazy" talk.....

that's another fable.....

aint nobody sticking their hands in his pockets, because in the end, there was nothing there....

all the man had to do was remain himself......that's what this all comes down to after 2 and 1/2 decades.....and then it really could have been all about the music

[Edited 6/3/13 22:41pm]

MJ had problems with cash in recent years.
assets are always valued much higher and its assets were worth billions ... in 2008 and now.
and your belief that Janet billionaire (not generated a billion, as dozens of artists, and has a billion) shows me that some Janet fans have even less connection to reality than MJ fans. lol

300 + million personal income from the movies lol ... and you, Janet fans really believe that? All media reported in 2007 that MJ has sold 750 million albums .... you believe it too? razz

his brothers performed at the festival, I'm happy for them, but their tour was unsuccessful.
You can write as many of their imaginary achievements, but the truth remains the truth - MJ Estate manages billions in assets and the Jackson family wants those assets

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Reply #135 posted 06/04/13 1:29am

HAPPYPERSON

My thoughts on Michael Jackson One by Cirque du Soleil

I had the opportunity to see this show on it's first preview, last night, May 23rd, and have written my thoughts on the show.
Directly below is a quick review and then under the photo of me, the full review and more photos from the show. Enjoy!!
Paul


Michael Jackson One by Cirque du Soleil is an entertaining and original musical journey to no where in particular, but honestly, you don't care that much because the whole time your eyes and ears are being thoroughly entertained. The show is full of surprises and thrilling moments, but still feels like it's missing something...or someone. It comes close though, and a huge improvement from Immortal (the first MJ & Cirque show, currently still touring in Europe), I highly recommend everyONE check Michael Jackson One out for an enjoyable evening of dance, music, memories, stunts, and a reminder as to the talented man we lost too soon.




The show really begins as soon as you enter the new Michael Jackson Theater in Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino. Images and references of the King of Pop can be found everywhere. Drinks with cute names (I recommend the Moon Walk, a tequila based drink with pomegranate juice and lemonade), the initials MJ built in to the bar design, even the wallpaper pays tribute, listing his many iconic (and even lesser known) song titles. On the night I attended (the show was still in previews and not officially open so I'm not sure if this is something permanent) there was a photo area set up with a backdrop, for people to take their picture. But this is Michael Jackson, so the photo area comes equipped with multiple paparazzi cameras automatically clicking and flashing and making a type of foreboding sound, something Michael would have liked, if for no other reason, to give the audience a taste of what fame really means to the world's most famous man. In fact, many elements of the show, especially at the beginning, deal with this issue. Fame, and the price of fame.



Once within the theatre there is still plenty to see, and plenty that keeps with the theme of paparazzi vs. fame. The stage is large but nothing to write home about, certainly not one of the larger stages that Cirque has here in Las Vegas. Fairly traditional at first view, it has a simple stage area and two catwalks thrusting out to both sides of the audience, framing the lower seating (and it's audience members) in to the coming action. Above these catwalks however are large state of the art screens that are a huge part of the show and as the audience gets seated, these screens project insane and silly tabloid headings from fake newspapers and National Enquirer-isc publications. The publications have photos of random people attached to each headline, and keep changing. It was only after a few minutes that I realized these people on the screen were audience members sitting in the theatre! The show strives to include the audience and make us a part of the world they are about to present. This helps to heighten that connection. As part of the pre show entertainment (a Cirque tradition) there are stalking, but stylish, Paparazzi Men creeping around. All of them styled as some sort of 1930's gangster (if they wore black sunglasses, blood red hats and matching suits in the 30's!). Probably a more accurate comparison would be to Michael's Smooth Criminal music video. Clearly the wardrobe styling throughout the show pays tribute and takes multiple pages from Michael's wardrobe book. I was impressed throughout the show at different costumes that were reminiscent of Michael, but totally original. The styling and costumes of the show aren't stolen or copied, they are more re-imagined and pay tribute to. I could easily image Michael rocking many of the outfits in the show, even though in his life, he never did. For the pre show action, these gangster paparazzi stalk the audience (always staying in a group, like a hive of bees, more powerful and frightening in numbers) they take pictures of different people and those images soon appear on the big screens for all to see. A convention so appropriate for our Facebook world and one that Michael would have loved.
Besides the screens on the side (and on the proscenium of the stage) there is transparent curtain/screen covering the majority of the stage (hiding the many surprises to come). On the screen, there are images projected, there is a stool, Michael's fedora, his sequined glove, his penny loafer shoes and sequined socks, all items that will come in to play later and throughout the show. Before the show though they float and circle, kept in a sort of force field. Waiting.




Then the show begins...a visual assault of color, of dance, music videos, clips, acrobatics, stunts, and then more dancing. The show is also an audio assault on your ears. Before the first full song is played (a fact different from the Immortal show, there are less mash ups and less clips here) there is a barrage of Michael's yells, words, threats/pleas ("I always feel like somebody's watching me) sound effects, and songs and this is in addition to all the images quickly flashing on the various screens. I found it hard to focus at first. Truly, a sensory overload!
The first few songs of the show continue the darker themes of the price of fame, themes that are in a lot of Michael's music. Beat It, Tabloid Junkie, Too Bad are all used as great examples of Michael's rage and darkness, but this is a natural choice for the show since his catalog has so much to pull from, especially with the darker themes. Plus these themes give the creators a brilliant canvas to build on and from. I actually feel that the show is strongest in it's darker moments.
The show does lighten up though as it continues, and by the end, the audience is on their feet and dancing! For as much as Michael had darkness, he also had songs like Rock with You and The Way You Make Me Feel (both in the show) that you can't help but tap your foot to and smile at.
The theater is designed with speakers on all the seats and this helps to immerse you in the music but also gives the show the ability to make you feel like the music is moving or that Michael is there, within the audience. The music really becomes the "star" of the show, as it should be, even though all the performers are working hard and kicking ass... and at an almost manic pace. This is the only Cirque show that I have seen (and I've seen quite a few now) where I felt like the performers were so high energy, that they might explode (or hurt themselves)! At times, it almost feels unrehearsed in it's franticness, but ultimately it blends seamlessly with Michael's music and makes sense for the show as a whole.

Without giving away too much about the show, here are some more details on some sequences of the show, but don't worry, I won't give you any spoilers! Tabloid Junkie faces head-on the Jackson newsprint rumor factory. Headlines projected on the walls write of his attempt to buy the "Elephant Man's bones" and Joseph Merrick's skeleton stands there on the stage. Michael's supposed oxygen chamber is also wheeled across the stage. Stranger in Moscow (one of my favorite moments of the show, and not just because it's one of Michael's best, although lesser known songs, spotlights a flown-in crescent moon lady and an aerialist. Behind him drifts snow and ghostly images of Liz Taylor, Michael and Diana Ross. Smartly, the production uses many lesser known songs, clips, and interviews to create a "new" feel to the show. Only true and obsessive fans (like me) will know where much of the clips and music comes from. Bad is a more literal re-imaging of the music video, with a kind of street gang, a New York subway backdrop and graffiti and B-Boy stances. Smooth Criminal, another one of my favorite parts (and if the screams and clapping were any indication, a crowd pleaser) includes choreography from the video, and that iconic synchronized lean, still a moment that is magical and one that makes you ask, "how the hell did they do that?" The Dirty Diana/In the Closet mash up is not only a kick ass song (that I want NOW) but also an amazing re imaging of an iconic MJ song. All I'll say about it, is that a stripper pole is involved! Earth song is probably one of the most visually amazing moments, using shadows and projections, and one that Michael himself would have endorsed, maybe even done. Billie Jean, a clear crowd favorite, truly AMAZES! I can only imagine the pressure of taking Michael's most iconic song and performance and doing something new with it. If they were worried, they shouldn't be, Cirque totally succeds and makes their own iconic moment!
For me though, the evenings BEST moment was Man in the Mirror. Hands down my favorite song by Michael, so that helped, but the moment is truly enchanting, surprising, and magical. I won't ruin the moment by telling you anything more, but it truly was a highlight and amazing.



I think the show succeeds on many levels, it uses Michael's music appropriately, to entertain and to tell stories but to also remind us all of our responsibilities to the world and to each other. The title, ONE, is not arbitrary, it is really the overall theme of the show and message. One People, One Nation, we are all One. It's in my opinion that if Michael was alive today, he'd be very happy and proud of this show and it's message. It's bittersweet that the show IS so good because it's a reminder of how great Michael, and his message of peace, really was! I was filled with a kind of sadness as I walked away from the theatre knowing that this type of Michael themed show is as close as I'll get to seeing Michael perform and make his magic.


Die hard fans and casual fans of MJ, plus fans of Cirque du Soleil will greatly enjoy this show. It gives audiences what they want....entertainment with a few surprises. I think that this show will be around for many, many years and is a great addition to Las Vegas! If you get the opportunity, I recommend you check it out!
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amazing, thank you, HAPPYPERSON, your contribution to this thread is always great. smile

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Scorp said:

le'ts calm down, I don't call people out their name....

no, nobody should call anyone our their name...

but see, that's looking at the effect rather than discerning the cause of this entire situation

and the cause stems from a single choice that began some 26-27 years ago that led to that moment......one single choice led to this chaos

the fact that an 80 year old woman has to raise 3 kids it's insane within itself...

no 80 year old woman should have to worry about raising kids no matter who she is

there is absolutely NO excuse for calling a woman who's 80 year old such deragotory names and I don't care who it is and who's saying it.......

that's why I left KOP because people allowed that crap and encouraged it behidn the scenes

the root of the problem regarding these 3 kids is the fact neither one are of biological kin to anyone in that family, and that has caused a great deal of hostility for everyone involved...

you can't make 1+1=3

until the majority of MJ can wrap their mind around that, a reality that most of the world has known since day one, then their anger will be directed at the wrong people and the wrong source.....for the person they have been angry at all those years is the person who has triggered their anger, the person they have tried to uphold after he reached the pinnacle of his career some 29 years ago, but they dont want to acknowledge that or either can't see it

his family is not exploiting Michael, Michael exploited himself

it's funny how all the majority of MJ fans have to talk about a trial and round of fiascos

that's what this entire experience has bee reduced to

but slowly but surely, after years of turmoil and undeserved backbite

not only are his brothers touring, but thriving w/no end in sight, performing in front of 150,000 people, and people didn't have the slightest iota how good they really are and how good they would have been if they wouldn't have been juked out of 20 plus years.........where's all this LAZY TALK

and baby sister Janet has uttered a chess move for the ages and people can't figure out how she did it...

everything is returning back to full circle

not because I'm a Janet fan taking up for her as much as it is, this is how the experience should have been all along....

all MICHAEL JACKSON had to do was stay the same and tehse discussions wouldn't even exist and there's no doubts in that

[Edited 6/3/13 19:41pm]

yes, the bad decision that was made 27 years ago was for mj to go on a tour that he didn't want to do in the first damn place, but for his damn mother crying to manipulate him into doing it. and then when he agreed, she along with joe, jesse jackson, don king, exploited mj, leaving him to take the brunt of the bad publicity that went along with the jacksons shaking down HIS fans, a burned scalp, years of excruciating surgery and painkiller addiction, while they continued to exploit his success by signing a contract with a south korean promoter, and stealing the money meant for the proposed concert, and laying up in kat's house having illegitimate children on mj's dime. yeah, they didn't exploit him at all. PUH-LEAZE!!

you have a problem with people calling kat a nigger, but you have no problem apportioning blame to prince and paris for all the drama b/c (according to you) mj's family refuses to accept them b/c of the color of their skin. hypocrite much? there's a simple solution: katherine can give custody to someone else. oh that's right. if the white kids go, so does all the money mj gave to them that she gets to control for now.

btw, at the custody hearing kat's lawyer stated that tj handled most of the daily responsibility for mj's kids, along with the nanny. she doesn't have to, nor IN FACT does she, take care of mj's kids. good. in a few years, they'll be out of her hair, and she won't have to lower herself to scrape behind mj's white kids, since they're the source of all her problems. the family should be jumping for joy at the prospect. all of their troubles will be over, since mj will really be out of their lives for good at that point, right?

and yes, i'm happy that the jackson boys are regaling the world once again with their massive tour and scary awesome talent. why, anyone can see that they outstrip mj in every way. why, i'm suuuurrre everyone is waiting with baited breath for their next cd to drop. why, i heard absolutely NO ONE talking about it just the other day. i guess i don't understand how you can call a tour successful when you can't even manage to sell out a 3000-seat venue. but then again, you are the delusional poster who believes that marlon sold millions and millions of albums (and if it weren't for that awful, awful, awful mj, marlon would have been able to sail as high as the sky. as it is, he's too busy crying on tv b/c janet and jermaine didn't let him talk to his mama, either.)

and yes, i'm sure janet is very happy and triumphant. it must be nice for her to see her brother in his crypt. she's always smiling whenever she's interviewed about his death, so i imagine so. she must think, like you, that he deserved it. b/c if anyone is a nigger, it's mj, right, scorp? the worst kind of nigger, too. a sell out nigger. just so i'm clear: it's not okay to call katherine a nigger, but you can pretty much call mj that in almost every single argument you make, and you have no problem with it, right? got it.

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awwwww okay, so we gone play that game....

see, I see u about to set yourself up for the okie doke also......

I'll deal w/the easiest one first, then we gone go down the line...

1.) I have NEVER, EVER called MICHAEL JACKSOn out of his name ever, you can go thru ever single comment I've ever posted.....go ask that tag team that play the role on the King of Pop Discussion, ask that crew to hand over a transcript and you'll find no evidence of me ever calling him out of his name......

all those terms commercial media (not those who really followed him from day one), but the pundits POST-THRILLER, I aint never said......

but wait, in regards to what MJ fans have called Katherine Jackson, they didn't just call her a nigger, but they called her mother fucker too....add that as part of the record, and those who did call her those names, they need to go to jail and locked up.....whatever name Michael has been called over the years (which the name-calling didn't start til after THRILLER), aint nothing that what I've seen representatives of of the King of Pop fanbase (not the fanbase from 1969-1984) called that man's mother....that was about as atrocious as one can get, but the reason they do is because they feel they are entitled to do that.....and that's the root of the problem w/the majority of his fanbase, they feel they can say anything they want to say because they've been placed in the position as such, and they stick their nose in business that aint none of their business.

2.) that VICTORY, quite to the contrary, I NEVER felt that Michael should have did that tour, but nto for the reasons u mentioned, and I've found out some stuff about that tour and the real root of the controversial ticket purchasing arrangement but I'll save that for another day when it's really time to get into that......I never felt MJ should have did that tour because of the precedence he set with THRILLER....

so you see, I view the entire picture, that was far from his best tour anyway, the Victory tour was basically a redux of the Triumph Tour which was the best show he ever did, so the audience who attendended that show thought they saw the best thing ever, I knew better

you have a problem with people calling kat a nigger, but you have no problem apportioning blame to prince and paris for all the drama b/c (according to you) mj's family refuses to accept them b/c of the color of their skin. hypocrite much? there's a simple solution: katherine can give custody to someone else. oh that's right. if the white kids go, so does all the money mj gave to them that she gets to control for now.

this is the part I really want to deal with before I delve into Marlon Jackson....

1.) the 3 kids, they really aren't the problem, for why should children be responsible for the madness of the entire situation....

see, I see how slick u tried to paint this scenario

these are the facts, ever since 6/25/2009, the day those 3 kids were seen publically for the first time w/out the veils and the masks, commercial media, even some segments of black media, the entertainment realm as a whole took them, and held them in the highest esteem, and brushed aside the other children of that family, pushed the other kids out the landscape as if they didn't exist......knowing good and well, MJ didn't father them at all...that's the EPIDEMY of hypocricy, that's why the entertainment industry is shot and finished because the talent perspective was thrown out the windown decades ago

then representatives of the legion concocted that entire stunt gun incident fiasco, causing a SWAT unit to circle around that Encino home.....not because they were said to be Michael's children, but because of their lineage, then to uphold the fable, the majority of MJ fans started sticking it to Janet Jackson, LYING that she hit that girl when she never laid a hand on her, but it wasn't just the majority of his fans spewing that crap, commercial media, and even representatives of urban radio was taggin on her like there was no tomorrow....and why?....because this family dynamic was already ripped to shreds before the 90's hit......because people want to use this family to build or restore their careers, and to come across as being intelligent

so really, who's exploiting who?...people want to say MJ was exploited..well the family itself has been exploited by every segment of society around the planet, be it white people doing it, black people doing it, or people from all walks of life

and rather TJ is raising them or not...KATHERINE is responsible, and was tagged as the primary guardian after 6/25/09......and it got so bad, MJ fans got pissed when it was said she abandoned those 3 kids when she really didnt, causing a shitstorm that lasted for weeks...

you see, THAT'S WHY you saw Marlon Jackson react the way he did on tv, because he knew his mother was caught up in that shitstorm and there was really nothing he could do about....

because essentially, what MJ fans demanded was this "Katherine, get your ass back home and take care of those 3 kids or else", and that's how the hand was dealt...and I seen first hand account of those type of response spread all over the joint...

make fun of the brothers if you want to.....but after 21 years of being juked out of their careers, they are doing their thing, and they deserve the shine they are getting.....and you never know, you may be setting yourself up for a future okie doke, for they may just release that CD/album you're trying to mock of the situation.......

oh, last but not least because I go on my day....

you want to bring up Marlon Jackson and his record sales....

this is the 2nd okie doke you set yourself up for

see, you aint talkin to somebody who don't know what's really up.......

Marlon Jackson, just like a many of black artists during the mid to late 80s fell victim to this beast called the pop ascension, and u know who else fell victim?...

the black music buyer

do you know what Billboard started during that time if your'e interested, u can do your own research so the okie doke won't longer apply

Billboard beginning around 1986, they purposely distorted the true sales figures of black r&b artists

do you know how they did it, they undermined the actual record sales by omitting purchases made by the black consumer, so therefore, by distorting the actual sales figures, Billboard and the recording industry was able to give the impression black music was no longer viable as it was about to prepare to exploit the virtues of true cultural expression to the tilt, and by undermining the black audience, and misrepresenting their true stature, the industry was able to accomplish that.....

this is on record, anyone can find this stuff for themselves

that's how I know Janet Jackson sold more copies of Control and Rhythm Nation than she actually did.....

allot of black female artists got the shaft during that time too......

see, you aint dealing w/someone who don't know what happened behind the scenes when a difference scenery was being hatched.........

how bout those apples.....

oh, Michael Jackson, best believe thru his ever growing hostile lyrical content, that he regretted embracing the pop ascension concept, and he had been painting those regrets on record as early as Dangerous.....just check out the lyrics to WILL YOU BE THERE

I won't even mention SCREAM lyrics and STRANGER IN MOSCOW......

he didn't act on this whim alone, he received god awful advice from human crooks who wound up stripping him of his essential goodness, and where are they now? gone, leaving a trail w/out a sight, exploited this man to the tilt until there wasn't anything to exploit anymore....for they could care less

all it has left is destruction, hubris, and hostility on a grand scale never seen before, everyone is cooking up hatred from every angle, all because of the original lie that manifested and began to wreck havoc beginning in 1987.......

majority of MJ fans wanted to stick it to Janet saying she was broke...

yeah she was broke alright, she broke out a billion dollar manifesto for the ages

and shut everyone up in the process...it's one of the greatest check mate moves I've ever seen and nobody ever saw it coming........leaving them SPEECHLESS

oh, and before I go on my merry way today

when Michael suffered that incident during those Pepsi Commercials in 1984,

MJ, didn't take any medication to deal w/that trauma, even his surgeon at the time, Steve Hoefflin issued that public statement saying MIchael did not believe in being induced by any type of medication for that burn AT ALL....

that's on tape too..

the painkilling use had nothing to do w/that indicident

he had those skin grafts applied to the burn area on the scalp, mainly behind the scalp, and although he couldn't grown hair there anymore, he was good to go

commercial media alone with that statement MJ announced in 93 have put that story out there tying the painkilling use to the burn to conceal the real reason that led to the usage in the first place

[Edited 6/4/13 5:26am]

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Scorp said:

kibbles said:

this is the part I really want to deal with before I delve into Marlon Jackson....

1.) the 3 kids, they really aren't the problem, for why should children be responsible for the madness of the entire situation....

see, I see how slick u tried to paint this scenario

these are the facts, ever since 6/25/2009, the day those 3 kids were seen publically for the first time w/out the veils and the masks, commercial media, even some segments of black media, the entertainment realm as a whole took them, and held them in the highest esteem, and brushed aside the other children of that family, pushed the other kids out the landscape as if they didn't exist......knowing good and well, MJ didn't father them at all...that's the EPIDEMY of hypocricy, that's why the entertainment industry is shot and finished because the talent perspective was thrown out the windown decades ago

then representatives of the legion concocted that entire stunt gun incident fiasco, causing a SWAT unit to circle around that Encino home.....not because they were said to be Michael's children, but because of their lineage, then to uphold the fable, the majority of MJ fans started sticking it to Janet Jackson, LYING that she hit that girl when she never laid a hand on her, but it wasn't just the majority of his fans spewing that crap, commercial media, and even representatives of urban radio was taggin on her like there was no tomorrow....and why?....because this family dynamic was already ripped to shreds before the 90's hit......because people want to use this family to build or restore their careers, and to come across as being intelligent

so really, who's exploiting who?...people want to say MJ was exploited..well the family itself has been exploited by every segment of society around the planet, be it white people doing it, black people doing it, or people from all walks of life

and rather TJ is raising them or not...KATHERINE is responsible, and was tagged as the primary guardian after 6/25/09......and it got so bad, MJ fans got pissed when it was said she abandoned those 3 kids when she really didnt, causing a shitstorm that lasted for weeks...

you see, THAT'S WHY you saw Marlon Jackson react the way he did on tv, because he knew his mother was caught up in that shitstorm and there was really nothing he could do about....

because essentially, what MJ fans demanded was this "Katherine, get your ass back home and take care of those 3 kids or else", and that's how the hand was dealt...and I seen first hand account of those type of response spread all over the joint...

make fun of the brothers if you want to.....but after 21 years of being juked out of their careers, they are doing their thing, and they deserve the shine they are getting.....and you never know, you may be setting yourself up for a future okie doke, for they may just release that CD/album you're trying to mock of the situation.......

oh, last but not least because I go on my day....

you want to bring up Marlon Jackson and his record sales....

this is the 2nd okie doke you set yourself up for

see, you aint talkin to somebody who don't know what's really up.......

Marlon Jackson, just like a many of black artists during the mid to late 80s fell victim to this beast called the pop ascension, and u know who else fell victim?...

the black music buyer

do you know what Billboard started during that time if your'e interested, u can do your own research so the okie doke won't longer apply

Billboard beginning around 1986, they purposely distorted the true sales figures of black r&b artists

do you know how they did it, they undermined the actual record sales by omitting purchases made by the black consumer, so therefore, by distorting the actual sales figures, Billboard and the recording industry was able to give the impression black music was no longer viable as it was about to prepare to exploit the virtues of true cultural expression to the tilt, and by undermining the black audience, and misrepresenting their true stature, the industry was able to accomplish that.....

this is on record, anyone can find this stuff for themselves

that's how I know Janet Jackson sold more copies of Control and Rhythm Nation than she actually did.....

allot of black female artists got the shaft during that time too......

see, you aint dealing w/someone who don't know what happened behind the scenes when a difference scenery was being hatched.........

how bout those apples.....

oh, Michael Jackson, best believe thru his ever growing hostile lyrical content, that he regretted embracing the pop ascension concept, and he had been painting those regrets on record as early as Dangerous.....just check out the lyrics to WILL YOU BE THERE

I won't even mention SCREAM lyrics and STRANGER IN MOSCOW......

he didn't act on this whim alone, he received god awful advice from human crooks who wound up stripping him of his essential goodness, and where are they now? gone, leaving a trail w/out a sight, exploited this man to the tilt until there wasn't anything to exploit anymore....for they could care less

all it has left is destruction, hubris, and hostility on a grand scale never seen before, everyone is cooking up hatred from every angle, all because of the original lie that manifested and began to wreck havoc beginning in 1987.......

majority of MJ fans wanted to stick it to Janet saying she was broke...

yeah she was broke alright, she broke out a billion dollar manifesto for the ages

and shut everyone up in the process...it's one of the greatest check mate moves I've ever seen and nobody ever saw it coming........leaving them SPEECHLESS

oh, and before I go on my merry way today

when Michael suffered that incident during those Pepsi Commercials in 1984,

MJ, didn't take any medication to deal w/that trauma, even his surgeon at the time, Steve Hoefflin issued that public statement saying MIchael did not believe in being induced by any type of medication for that burn AT ALL....

that's on tape too..

the painkilling use had nothing to do w/that indicident

he had those skin grafts applied to the burn area on the scalp, mainly behind the scalp, and although he couldn't grown hair there anymore, he was good to go

commercial media alone with that statement MJ announced in 93 have put that story out there tying the painkilling use to the burn to conceal the real reason that led to the usage in the first place

[Edited 6/4/13 5:26am]

I am sorry Scorp as much as I do agree with you on some things, I do not agree with you here. I have always said that the problems that MJ had were a combination of things, including his family.

I still can not forget how Joe Jackson behave, promoting some product, not long after MJ death, even to those who are always in Joe Jackson corner were shocked by his behaviour. The fact of the matter is he was a cash cow to his family from childhood and after his death it became more obvious. I mean the AEG trial proves this.

The fact of the matter is MJ was the golden goose in that family. As much as I admire Janet , does anyone really believe if she was not a member of the Jackson family people would have notice her? She got noticed in the first place because her talented brothers managed to get the whole family to LA and because of them she was always in the right place at the right time so she should get on shows like "Whats Happening" and "Fame" etc. Even her music career owned alot to her surname. However unlike Latoya and Rebbie she managed to succeed due to her production team and her own self determination and I admire her for that.

Whether Janet is Billionaire or not, depends on who you believe. According to Forbes she is NOT. But if she is I think her new husband has alot to do with it.

As for MJ children, whether they are his biologically or not, they are legally his children and therefore people have to deal with that. And even if there were NO will a huge chuck of money would have still automatically gone to them because they would have been considered his next of kin, legally. I personally believe Blanket could well be his bio child, however as for the other 2 it can be opened up for debate.

I wish you will at least try to look at both sides of the story, rather than looking for selective information that support your own opinions, because thats what they are, opinions not fact. In that way you are no better than the stannish fans.

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Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Pretty much....Anybody who thinks its okay for grown adult fans to call a 14 year old girl a bitch and to call a man who cries because he can not find his mother a coward is sick in the head. JUST SICK AND NUTS. It could have been ANYBODYs child... you dont call no child out their name and you are never to old to cry for your mother especially if you dont know where she is and is blocked from speaking to her.

What about when a litany of current MJ fans (not all but an entire ensemble)....

what about calling an 80 year old woman a mother fucker, or even one fan called her a nigger

what about when they caleld Rebbie a slut

what about when they called Janet a whore

what about when they called Rebbie a bitch

what about all that?

because I saw that on the regular ever since that media driven fiasco took place where Janet never touched that girl, and there's no proof she called that girl a bitch...

If you're referring to KOP, yes I've seen criticisms towards these people, but never the name calling towards Katherine and Rebbie(which is pretty awful of them to say let alone think), though I've seen it with Janet. I don't think many believe she touched Paris, Paris denied that right away and it was discussed. I do think Rebbie acts odd and that Katherine is doing this for her children cause she doesn't think she's doing anything wrong and knows she doesn't have long. MJ's death and his trials have done a number on that poor woman, and even if I question her behaviour often or disagree, she is mj's mother at the end of the day and has been through enough.

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Reply #141 posted 06/04/13 10:02am

mookie

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Viciously! I don't feel calling a kid brat is vicious. That is mild from what I've heard most teenagers called these days.....When Janet was 15 she had stardom and fame & never acted like a brat. She carried herself with class & dignity.....

But what has she really done for you to call her that though? Expose a stupid plan some of her relatives came up with? Nothing was wrong with that. And what I mean by vicious is stans calling her a bitch and talking shit about her paternity and other really bottom of the barrel stuff.

mjscarousal said:

I feel like adult FANS over 30 calling a child a bitch is more shocking than adults calling adults out their name. Rebbie, Janet and Katherine were the reason why that fiasco took place in the first place more specifically Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy. Now I am not saying what some MJ fans said was right but I can see why they said it. The family have done nothing but exploited Michael since his death. There behavior has been appauling. I just think its mindblowing how you would defend what the Janet fans said about a child. Regardless what MJ fans said its not right to call a minor out their name, PERIOD. These grown ass adults said this who have children of their own!! Triflin. You can be a big Janet fan but that is taking it too far.

Of course it's much more shocking. And these days who isn't calling Katherine and the rest of the family horrible names? Look around. No one likes them. Again, you wonder why don't these family supporters question why it is the family is always embarrassingly set up to look so trifling and like vultures? Why aren't they being set up to look good like these white families are? This is why I don't take the family supporters seriously beause they are very selective in what they become vocal about. I mean, they're upset at MJ fans for just criticizing them, but not upset that katherine and the family and their projects are always sold through the tabloid media, whose audience seriously hates the Jacksons? How does that make any sense? It's the TMZ and tabloid crowd that the Jacksons love that is calling them the N-word and cracking jokes about Katherine being on different white men's leashes and other disgusting things, but these family stans are outrgaed at MJ fans? LOL And for the record on 2 of the biggest and oldest MJ forums, 99% of the comments against the family are fair and valid. I think we've established their actions since MJ's passing is pretty damn unheard of, so I don't get those that try to make them into these poor vcitims of abuse by the evil MJ fans. Talk about delusional. Just admit the family's made it extremely easy for the fans and the public to think the worst about them.

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Reply #142 posted 06/04/13 1:54pm

7230

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

I clearly said "grown adult fans" so I clearly was talking about Janet fans and not what the media reported.

I feel like adult FANS over 30 calling a child a bitch is more shocking than adults calling adults out their name. Rebbie, Janet and Katherine were the reason why that fiasco took place in the first place more specifically Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy. Now I am not saying what some fans said was right but I can see what they said it. The family have done nothing but exploited Michael since his death. There behavior has been appauling. I just like its mindblowing how you would defend what the Janet fans said about a child. Regardless what MJ fans said its not right to call a minor out their name, PERIOD. These grown ass adults said this who have children of their own!! Triflin. You can be a big Janet fan but that is taking it too far.

so you're telling me that it's justified for a body of people to call a 80 plus year old woman a muther fucker and a nigger?......

is that where this is headed?

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Nothing about it is "headed" anywhere. That's exactly where this shit is. It's all race. So YES, these majority white female people would indeed attempt to justify calling their beloved Michael Jackson's senior black mother derogatory names (as has been done already in this thread for a plethora of dumb-ass reasons), all the while giving this antithetical white girl every unwarranted compliment under the sun, as well as calling deceptive-ass Debbie Rowe a fucking "savior."

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Bottom line (and damn all rebuttals): This excess defense for "minor" Paris Rowe against Katherine Jackson would not be happening if that girl's skin color was brown like a Jackson. If she was walking around here resembling Rebbie or Janet like every other female descendant in that family, nobody would give a fuck, or, she'd be criticized CONSTANTLY (like little Willow Smith or Bobbi Kristina), and thrown in the same bag of disrespect as Michael's mother. Being 15 acting like some damn 30 year old, but BLACK? THEN Paris JACKSON WOULD be a "brat." THEN she WOULD be "fast" or "too grown." THEN she WOULD be "unruly." THEN she WOULD be "disobedient." THEN she WOULD "look old." THEN she WOULD be "wearing too much make-up." THEN her clothes WOULD be "inappropriate shit her father would never let her wear." THEN she WOULD be expected to "know better." THEN she WOULD be "nothing like Michael Jackson." It's all fucking racial, no matter how anybody tries to deny that. Paris Rowe's face and skin tone being an exact copy of the white woman who bore her is the ONLY thing that protects that child from the derision she would certainly receive otherwise. And that's not just here. It's every damn where.

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Reply #143 posted 06/04/13 2:14pm

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7230 said:

Scorp said:

so you're telling me that it's justified for a body of people to call a 80 plus eek year old woman a muther fucker and a nigger?......

is that where this is headed?

/

Nothing about it is "headed" anywhere. That's exactly where this shit is. It's all race. So YES, these majority white female people would indeed attempt to justify calling their beloved Michael Jackson's senior black mother derogatory names (as has been done already in this thread for a plethora of dumb-ass reasons), all the while giving this antithetical white girl every unwarranted compliment under the sun, as well as calling deceptive-ass Debbie Rowe a fucking "savior."

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Bottom line (and damn all rebuttals): This excess defense for "minor" Paris Rowe against Katherine Jackson would not be happening if that girl's skin color was brown like a Jackson. If she was walking around here resembling Rebbie or Janet like every other female descendant in that family, nobody would give a fuck, or, she'd be criticized CONSTANTLY (like little Willow Smith or Bobbi Kristina), and thrown in the same bag of disrespect as Michael's mother. Being 15 acting like some damn 30 year old, but BLACK? THEN Paris JACKSON WOULD be a "brat." THEN she WOULD be "fast" or "too grown." THEN she WOULD be "unruly." THEN she WOULD be "disobedient." THEN she WOULD "look old." THEN she WOULD be "wearing too much make-up." THEN her clothes WOULD be "inappropriate shit her father would never let her wear." THEN she WOULD be expected to "know better." THEN she WOULD be "nothing like Michael Jackson." It's all fucking racial, no matter how anybody tries to deny that. Paris Rowe's face and skin tone being an exact copy of the white woman who bore her is the ONLY thing that protects that child from the derision she would certainly receive otherwise. And that's not just here. It's every damn where.

eek worship (Illimack chuckles at the truth and goes back to lurk mode)

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Reply #144 posted 06/04/13 3:11pm

mrsnet

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Me saying that I can see why they made those remarks doesnt mean I agree with them. I made that clear those comments were not right or did you choose to ignore it like you do with everything? You still havent commented on how ignorent the adult Janet stans were for calling Paris a bitch. Your a grown ass man yourself and you think this is okay?

le'ts calm down, I don't call people out their name....

no, nobody should call anyone our their name...

but see, that's looking at the effect rather than discerning the cause of this entire situation

and the cause stems from a single choice that began some 26-27 years ago that led to that moment......one single choice led to this chaos

the fact that an 80 year old woman has to raise 3 kids it's insane within itself...

no 80 year old woman should have to worry about raising kids no matter who she is

there is absolutely NO excuse for calling a woman who's 80 year old such deragotory names and I don't care who it is and who's saying it.......

that's why I left KOP because people allowed that crap and encouraged it behidn the scenes

the root of the problem regarding these 3 kids is the fact neither one are of biological kin to anyone in that family, and that has caused a great deal of hostility for everyone involved...

you can't make 1+1=3

until the majority of MJ can wrap their mind around that, a reality that most of the world has known since day one, then their anger will be directed at the wrong people and the wrong source.....for the person they have been angry at all those years is the person who has triggered their anger, the person they have tried to uphold after he reached the pinnacle of his career some 29 years ago, but they dont want to acknowledge that or either can't see it

his family is not exploiting Michael, Michael exploited himself

it's funny how all the majority of MJ fans have to talk about a trial and round of fiascos

that's what this entire experience has bee reduced to

but slowly but surely, after years of turmoil and undeserved backbite

not only are his brothers touring, but thriving w/no end in sight, performing in front of 150,000 people, and people didn't have the slightest iota how good they really are and how good they would have been if they wouldn't have been juked out of 20 plus years.........where's all this LAZY TALK

and baby sister Janet has uttered a chess move for the ages and people can't figure out how she did it...

everything is returning back to full circle

not because I'm a Janet fan taking up for her as much as it is, this is how the experience should have been all along....

all MICHAEL JACKSON had to do was stay the same and tehse discussions wouldn't even exist and there's no doubts in that

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FROM mrsnet:

sigh... and to think I came here to get away from the insanity at MJ boards. Now I MUST respond. SCORP - you do know had it not been for the genius of that little boy that blew Berry Gordy away, there never would have been a famous Jackson Family. The Jackson brothers minus MJ are talented but not exceptional enough to have been signed to Motown back then. It was MJ who floored Gordy. Janet would not have been a star - can't sing. She's a video era star - Thanks to Mike who revolusionized videos.

I'm not a Jackson family hater. But that family owes MJ all their fame and fortune. So the very least they could've done was take good care of his precious children when he's no longer around to raise them. That they haven't is UNFORGIVABLE. You say theyre not his biological..and while I disagree, it doesn't matter. He's STILL their daddy. And he LOVED them unconditionally. And they him.

How dare you blame MJ for anything. All that man did was give the world 40 years of amazing music, dance, and entertainment. He made this crazy world a better place. He opened numerous doors for black entertainers. Have some damn appreciation and respect. End of rant.

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Reply #145 posted 06/04/13 6:51pm

Scorp

mrsnet said:

- can't sing. She's a video era star - Thanks to Mike who revolusionized videos.

I'm not a Jackson family hater. But that family owes MJ all their fame and fortune. So the very least they could've done was take good care of his precious children when he's no longer around to raise them. That they haven't is UNFORGIVABLE. You say theyre not his biological..and while I disagree, it doesn't matter. He's STILL their daddy. And he LOVED them unconditionally. And they him.

How dare you blame MJ for anything. All that man did was give the world 40 years of amazing music, dance, and entertainment. He made this crazy world a better place. He opened numerous doors for black entertainers. Have some damn appreciation and respect. End of rant.

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MJ was flesh and blood just like everyone else on the planet, that mean he was human, but by compromising his being, his humanity was destroyed.......THAT'S THE PROBLEM

His family owes Michael Jackson nothing regarding their own individual talents

why do people keep setting themselves up for the okie doke....

the entertainment value was shot since the mid 90s......and there was no longer a cause to seek the entertainment value considering what happened to this man over time.....

what are the rest of the family supposed to kick their own kids to the curb to wait on these 3 kids hand and foot, just push the actual flesh and blood to the side like they are a bag of rocks

just as you say MJ opened doors for black entertainers, a ton of black entertainers opened up the doors for him too......matter of fact, the door was already cracked so he could bust through when this stuff meant something, and that same door now has retracted and shut air tight.....

if ANYONE is owed, since we are taking this route, is the very person who kicked this entire experience off...

No it wasn't Michael, No it wasn't Marlon, No it wasn't Jermaine, no it was Jackie, no it wasn't, no it wasn't Joe Jackson

it was TITO JACKSON who put this whole thing in motion, the whole ball of wax

for TITO starting the musical ambition for the entire family by experimenting with his father's guitar w/out his father's permission.....

for that moment, Joe found out his son possessed musical ability, and when he found that out, that's when he discover his other children shared musical talent, and this happened before Michael became the lead singer.....

so if it wasn't for TITO and his precocious act, none of this comes down the pike

and what soon happened years later from this moment evolved into 5 brothers becoming the ultimate self contained musical act on the planet, and because of that self contained ability, these brothers as we speak are performing across the globe, entertaining at the highest level, holding their own, and don't need to back ground dancers to help carry the show.....

I won't even mention Randy Jackson, for arguably, he was the most talented pure musician of the family, the same Randy Jackson who helped Michael to craft the best, quientessential r&b album on wax in OFF THE WALL....

I won't even get into how Marlon help Michael w/staging the brothers' dance routines during the Triumph Tour, the best live stage show Michael ever did

I'm not going to get into songwriting prowess of Jackie and how he helped pinned one of the brothers's staple song CAN YOU FEEL IT and TORTURE.......

u can say what you want about Janet Jackson....

but she's sitting on a billion dollar chess move that has the world stunned.....she's won and she know she won big time and I can just imagine how she's laughing at all the stans and cons who thought she was done.......it's one of the greatest counter moves/sucker punches I've ever seen.....and I laugh every time I think about it......

she owns her masters, she controls every facet of her music

all fans have to talk about is whether she hit a girl or not.......how puny.....

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Reply #146 posted 06/04/13 7:05pm

Scorp

7230 said:

Scorp said:

so you're telling me that it's justified for a body of people to call a 80 plus year old woman a muther fucker and a nigger?......

is that where this is headed?

/

Nothing about it is "headed" anywhere. That's exactly where this shit is. It's all race. So YES, these majority white female people would indeed attempt to justify calling their beloved Michael Jackson's senior black mother derogatory names (as has been done already in this thread for a plethora of dumb-ass reasons), all the while giving this antithetical white girl every unwarranted compliment under the sun, as well as calling deceptive-ass Debbie Rowe a fucking "savior."

/

Bottom line (and damn all rebuttals): This excess defense for "minor" Paris Rowe against Katherine Jackson would not be happening if that girl's skin color was brown like a Jackson. If she was walking around here resembling Rebbie or Janet like every other female descendant in that family, nobody would give a fuck, or, she'd be criticized CONSTANTLY (like little Willow Smith or Bobbi Kristina), and thrown in the same bag of disrespect as Michael's mother. Being 15 acting like some damn 30 year old, but BLACK? THEN Paris JACKSON WOULD be a "brat." THEN she WOULD be "fast" or "too grown." THEN she WOULD be "unruly." THEN she WOULD be "disobedient." THEN she WOULD "look old." THEN she WOULD be "wearing too much make-up." THEN her clothes WOULD be "inappropriate shit her father would never let her wear." THEN she WOULD be expected to "know better." THEN she WOULD be "nothing like Michael Jackson." It's all fucking racial, no matter how anybody tries to deny that. Paris Rowe's face and skin tone being an exact copy of the white woman who bore her is the ONLY thing that protects that child from the derision she would certainly receive otherwise. And that's not just here. It's every damn where.

aint no question it's about race........

it's been about race, not just race, but racial indifference since 1987, that has led to this chaos

and the thing is.....I've spoken to a number of white fans who can see more things realistically then a great deal of his current black fans......so it goes deeper than experience, it's about point of reference....

the thing is, racial indifference is what has projected hate towards Michael Jackson's family, and now over the past 15 years, thru the age of political correctness, now we have black people cracking on this family without understanding how we got to this point, and more importantly...WHY....

i've seen the hatefilled comments towards this man's mother on these forums, youtube, entertainment websites, the whole gamut, and it never stops, it goes on and on and on for the past 25 years....

iv'e even seen a comment where one of his fans said point blank, this family should move back to Gary Indiana in their hut......they said it with sheer disdain, and nothing was done about it.....so for me, this is bigger than who sells the most records, or who's the greatest entertainers, all of those things lose substance, when the heart gets ripped out of the equation....

and in Michael's line of thinking once he embraced the concept of racial indifference (which happened after Thriller), he believed presented white children as his own would draw more attention and grandeur than having his own actual children, a circumstance he felt would agree with this stature

and what's crazy, when I've seen everything transpire since 1997 when he presented that first kid to the world as his...HE WAS RIGHT..that's what's crazy about it...that's how twisted this society is

it's ugly..there's no other way of slicing it.....and it never had to be....

and if someone spoke privately with MIchael, when he absolutely would be reassured that nothing he said off record would never be presented publically....and I'm sure he did it at least once to somebody, that he said he wished he would have taken it all back and simply be himself......and none of these discussions would be taking place....

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Reply #147 posted 06/04/13 7:26pm

Scorp

whatsgoingon said:

Scorp said:

I am sorry Scorp as much as I do agree with you on some things, I do not agree with you here. I have always said that the problems that MJ had were a combination of things, including his family.

I still can not forget how Joe Jackson behave, promoting some product, not long after MJ death, even to those who are always in Joe Jackson corner were shocked by his behaviour. The fact of the matter is he was a cash cow to his family from childhood and after his death it became more obvious. I mean the AEG trial proves this.

The fact of the matter is MJ was the golden goose in that family. As much as I admire Janet , does anyone really believe if she was not a member of the Jackson family people would have notice her? She got noticed in the first place because her talented brothers managed to get the whole family to LA and because of them she was always in the right place at the right time so she should get on shows like "Whats Happening" and "Fame" etc. Even her music career owned alot to her surname. However unlike Latoya and Rebbie she managed to succeed due to her production team and her own self determination and I admire her for that.

Whether Janet is Billionaire or not, depends on who you believe. According to Forbes she is NOT. But if she is I think her new husband has alot to do with it.

As for MJ children, whether they are his biologically or not, they are legally his children and therefore people have to deal with that. And even if there were NO will a huge chuck of money would have still automatically gone to them because they would have been considered his next of kin, legally. I personally believe Blanket could well be his bio child, however as for the other 2 it can be opened up for debate.

I wish you will at least try to look at both sides of the story, rather than looking for selective information that support your own opinions, because thats what they are, opinions not fact. In that way you are no better than the stannish fans.

w/out question, Janet was given an opportunity to establish a career in entertainment because of her last name.....no question about that one.......there's no disputing that.....

BUT the foundation that set success for everyone rather collectively or individually was laid by THE JACKSON FIVE.....

Jermaine Jackson constantly says this........J5 was the ultimate self contained unit for the ages, and there's been countless acts who have patterned their style after J5 for the past 40 years, black and white.....

that did not happen by accident, that realization has occured because of the tremendous talent all of the brothers had..

try executing intricate dance steps while playing bass guitar hooked up to an amplifier at the same time...that's what Jermaine did on that stage all those years......Tito had to do the same thing while playing the electric guitar

yes, MIchael was the centerpiece but he wasn't the only piece.....the brothers earned their keep to no question...that's why they are doing their thing today, after 21 years of being juked out....people ask why do they perform MJ songs on their tour.....well, if they hadn't been sabotaged for the course of the past 2 decades, their musical input would have been greater than it actually was.......see, there's always a method to this madness.....

IT'S ALL ABOUT OPPORTUNITY AND BEING AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME...that goes for anyone....

this is the thing about Janet, she started performing professionally at a younger age than even MIchael when she portrayed legendary siren Mae West, that imitation was often the main attraction of the Jackson's variet show whenever she did it.......

yeah, she got opportunity but it's what u do with that opportunity when u get it, and she never relied on her last name, much less rode Michael's coattails to establish herself, heck she started off as an actress first before she started recording music.....

she didn't ride Michael's coattails when she released CONTROL and she sure didn't ride his coattails when she unleash that RHYTHM NATION 1814, an album so tight, even MICHAEL was playing her music when he rehearsed for those shows of the Bad Tour.....

and by the time she released the JANET album, her career was on equal footing w/her brother, so much so that just 2 years later, he asked for her to collaborate for his song SCREAM........

and I wouldn't rely on FORBES to much, they tend to get their jip sheet wrong....

Janet is riding sky high, and she has such a last laugh, everyone who debased themselves ripping her to shreds last year, who jumped on that bandwagon, they are as quiet as a churchmouse, because they know they were juked....

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Reply #148 posted 06/05/13 5:57am

alphastreet

I agree Janet was so successful, but is very underrated and not appreciated enough by people the way michael is. It's apparent when even some mj fans don't see that they inspire each other instead of just janet copying michael, and not having knowledge of other music around that time and how that shaped their influences too, though they made it their own. I always found it puzzling though that similar artists to janet in the early 90's fell off mainstream and she kept going, even if someone had a stronger voice (karyn white), or superior dance skills (paula abdul), so though she was awesome on her own and kept going, I think it's safe to say the record labels profitted off the jackson name bringing in the money in addition to her talent and strong work ethic, even if others just saw her for being janet. I feel like these days she's more famous for her name than her material and something should really be done with her back catalogue again like it was in the late 90's/early 00's.

As for MJ, it's over and done with. It's a shame he has narrowminded fans regardless of background, be it with name calling or those who aren't blunt enough to say what's on their mind sometimes. I think it's safe to say all fan bases have their bad apples though, cause personally, I've seen worse with other artists fanbases, and with mj, people do their research for the most part though it really depends who you associate with.

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Reply #149 posted 06/05/13 7:32am

mjscarousal

alphastreet said:

I agree Janet was so successful, but is very underrated and not appreciated enough by people the way michael is. It's apparent when even some mj fans don't see that they inspire each other instead of just janet copying michael, and not having knowledge of other music around that time and how that shaped their influences too, though they made it their own.

This was the same when Michael was alive and will be the same once Janet passes and until the end of time. This is something that Janet fans need to accept and there is nothing wrong with this. It doesnt take anything away from Janet and what she has accomplished. Now Ill admit....... the fact that she is underrated REALLY bothers me because she has done alot and has inspired so many current female performers. She has a clear influence in the female performance realm that never gets acknowledge and she has four solid classic albums. With that being said.........her impact is NO WHERE in the same league as Michaels. Not even close or even half close lol .

Hell Madonna barely has the same impact as Michael but she is probably the next in line to be compared to him. I understand that Janet is underrated and yes it is frustrating because she has inspired so many in her own right but make no mistake Michael was and is a legend and has the greater impact, much more classics, greater global appeal, greater success, bigger influence etc Michaels impact surpasses music alone. He has culturally changed America,American music, music videos, celebrity, pop culture. Michael has even culturally changed the WORLD......Janet has not done any of that and although I agree Michael was inspired by Janet in a few ways I think Michael had a overall bigger influence on Janet and it showed in her performances and in how she singed.

Janet is a Icon but she is not in the same legendary league as Michael... love the woman but sorry she isnt and while the SB hurt her career to a degree, I think alot of her own careless choices contributed to why she is so underrated. She doesnt invest in her back catalogue with dvds, rereleases, special editions, demos etc. She could make ALOT of money but for some reason she chooses not too. She has also came out with 4 weak albums back to back. So I love her but just saying some of this is because of her doing as well.

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