SuperFurryAnimal said:

Gunsnhalen said:

THIS

I would say Beasties and DMC were more Rock(at times) but PE moreso Rap. They deserve credit but more for being Rap imo than Rap-Rock.

I also don't buy that stance. You never hear them complaining about Prince, Chuck Berry, BB King, P-Funk being inducted. More like pissed that certain artists are excluded, like KISS.

True! who knows maybe they are ok with them?. I am just going off That Metal Show and what a lot of fans talk about.... there are some that seem ok with it and don't mind other types of genres in the hall.

But i know Tons of people complain about Madonna being in there & Donna Summer going in....

Call me crazy but i feel Madonna had some rock moments & Donna Summer espescially did so who knows

Also eh i get why people want Kiss in... cause of the makeup, big show & i guess Ace Freshly(overrated imo )

But Kiss as i grow up just seem so damn cheesy i mean i like the unmasked Kiss more cause it's horrible yet it has some great musicians.

Gene Simmons can keep a beat but he's nothign great on bass, Peter Criss is average on drums.

I guess i just don't get what is greast about Kiss nowadays... Metal fans will kill me for saying that

rdhull said:

Timmy84 said:

Cool. I just think Sixx is a weirdo...and probably really dumb.

@ weirdo

too me he seems like he could be kind of cool

Sixx always seems mixed in his personality. On one point he seems like the cool guy you want to hang out with at the party... and the next day he is the ranting asshole who we avoid on the streets

Musically i will say he is a good bass player & wrote the best songs in The Crue... imo.

Hell i even liked that Sixx A.M band he had

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Gunsnhalen said:

THIS

I would say Beasties and DMC were more Rock(at times) but PE moreso Rap. They deserve credit but more for being Rap imo than Rap-Rock.

I also don't buy that stance. You never hear them complaining about Prince, Chuck Berry, BB King, P-Funk being inducted. More like pissed that certain artists are excluded, like KISS.

Whoah! The bomb squad etc put their samples down and damn near each early song was like a heavy metal assault. Just because Run and them made some novelty songs with rock in them and Beasties had Rubin infuse some of his old records as samples, they were still more on the rap side and PE more on the rock side.

Why you think Anthrax even considered to hook up? It wasnt just because they wanted their own Walk This Way..that Walk This Way collab was a marketing tool. Run didnt even want to do the song. Putting on PE was like putting on Yngvie Malmsteen (sp?)...some GBH...some shit that really made your mom and dad say tun that shit down! Run-DMC and Beasties were friggin pop when juxtaposed to PE.

I do give credit for then using Big Beat etc from Billy Squier (r.i.p. since 1984) but they didnt dig rock as it was made to be seen. PE and them...they were diverse as fuck...and not because of novelty.

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rdhull said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I would say Beasties and DMC were more Rock(at times) but PE moreso Rap. They deserve credit but more for being Rap imo than Rap-Rock.

I also don't buy that stance. You never hear them complaining about Prince, Chuck Berry, BB King, P-Funk being inducted. More like pissed that certain artists are excluded, like KISS.

Whoah! The bomb squad etc put their smaples down and dman near each early song was like a heavy metal assault. Just because Run and them made some novelty songs with rock in them and Beasties had Rubin infuse some of his old records as samples, they were still more on the rap side and PE more on the rock side.

Why you think Anthrax even considered to hook up? It wasnt just because they wanted their own Walk This Way..that Walk This Way collab was a marketing tool. Run didnt even want to do the song. Putting on PE was like putting on Yngvie Malmsteen (sp?)...some GBH...some shit that really made your mom and dad say tun that shit down! Run-DMC and Beasties were friggin pop when juxtaposed to PE.

I do give credit for then using Big Beat etc from Billy Squier (r.i.p. since 1984) but they didnt dig rock as it was made to be seen. PE and them...they were diverse as fuck...and not because of novelty.

Not to mention the Beasties were more influenced by punk rock than metal. PE's music definitely sounded metal-ish because of the Bomb Squad.

Timmy84 said:

rdhull said:

Whoah! The bomb squad etc put their smaples down and dman near each early song was like a heavy metal assault. Just because Run and them made some novelty songs with rock in them and Beasties had Rubin infuse some of his old records as samples, they were still more on the rap side and PE more on the rock side.

Why you think Anthrax even considered to hook up? It wasnt just because they wanted their own Walk This Way..that Walk This Way collab was a marketing tool. Run didnt even want to do the song. Putting on PE was like putting on Yngvie Malmsteen (sp?)...some GBH...some shit that really made your mom and dad say tun that shit down! Run-DMC and Beasties were friggin pop when juxtaposed to PE.

I do give credit for then using Big Beat etc from Billy Squier (r.i.p. since 1984) but they didnt dig rock as it was made to be seen. PE and them...they were diverse as fuck...and not because of novelty.

Not to mention the Beasties were more influenced by punk rock than metal. PE's music definitely sounded metal-ish because of the Bomb Squad.

True. Hell, they were a punk band for a spell lol.

Gunsnhalen said:

rdhull said:

@ weirdo

too me he seems like he could be kind of cool

Sixx always seems mixed in his personality. On one point he seems like the cool guy you want to hang out with at the party... and the next day he is the ranting asshole who we avoid on the streets

Musically i will say he is a good bass player & wrote the best songs in The Crue... imo.

Hell i even liked that Sixx A.M band he had

Never heard his Dixx AM stuff. But yeah, he was good for his contributions for MC.

<----goes to put on Too Fast For Love

btw, fuck Kiss.

the hackiest of the hcks if there ever were hacks

(ducks)

Gunsnhalen said:

Sixx always seems mixed in his personality. On one point he seems like the cool guy you want to hang out with at the party... and the next day he is the ranting asshole who we avoid on the streets

Musically i will say he is a good bass player & wrote the best songs in The Crue... imo.

Hell i even liked that Sixx A.M band he had

Typical creative artistic people. Has some mental issues, drug problems, possible schizo, bipolar.

rdhull said:

btw, fuck Kiss.

the hackiest of the hcks if there ever were hacks

(ducks)

I never liked them but I think they may have a little but of a following, sold some records..etc.

Gunsnhalen said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I would say Beasties and DMC were more Rock(at times) but PE moreso Rap. They deserve credit but more for being Rap imo than Rap-Rock.

I also don't buy that stance. You never hear them complaining about Prince, Chuck Berry, BB King, P-Funk being inducted. More like pissed that certain artists are excluded, like KISS.

True! who knows maybe they are ok with them?. I am just going off That Metal Show and what a lot of fans talk about.... there are some that seem ok with it and don't mind other types of genres in the hall.

But i know Tons of people complain about Madonna being in there & Donna Summer going in....

Call me crazy but i feel Madonna had some rock moments & Donna Summer espescially did so who knows

Also eh i get why people want Kiss in... cause of the makeup, big show & i guess Ace Freshly(overrated imo )

But Kiss as i grow up just seem so damn cheesy i mean i like the unmasked Kiss more cause it's horrible yet it has some great musicians.

Gene Simmons can keep a beat but he's nothign great on bass, Peter Criss is average on drums.

I guess i just don't get what is greast about Kiss nowadays... Metal fans will kill me for saying that

You know that I've got to defend Kiss.

What does musicianship have to do with anything? It's called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not the Jazz Hall of Fame. Shit, if Michael Anthony is in there why not Gene Simmons? At least Gene wrote some decent songs.

I think that the best argument for Kiss being in there is a single word: fame. Like them or not Kiss are damn famous. They are also a rock and roll (hard rock) band. "Rock and Roll." "Fame." C'mon, people, connect the dots!

Gunsnhalen said:

rdhull said:

@ weirdo

too me he seems like he could be kind of cool

Sixx always seems mixed in his personality. On one point he seems like the cool guy you want to hang out with at the party... and the next day he is the ranting asshole who we avoid on the streets

Musically i will say he is a good bass player & wrote the best songs in The Crue... imo.

Hell i even liked that Sixx A.M band he had

No doubt he was the creative force behind Motley Crue but I can't really think of any songs with distinctive basslines, maybe something from Motley Crue or Generation Swine but his playing during their peak years always struck me as very pedestrian. I guess "Primal Scream" has some cool bass bits.

rdhull said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Tommy also has performed with many rappers & is cool with Missy Elliot & Snoop

Don't yall remember her rap group Mayhem as well?

Oh, I always knew Lee and company were cool even when it was popular for folks to clown on him way back when. Ive been searching for the soundtrack to Barb Wire for over a decade to get his MOM jam and a few other artists (rock version of Word Up) songs from it.

I think this is why I was disappointed to hear Nikki act like that....because even though the Crue audience were probably ...how do I put this.....er..probably current Fox News Republican tea Partiers..I always felt the dudes were not like that.

Check Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000008QRO/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

You can get a used copy for about three bucks.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

But you know joe is a joker... i can't tell if he is also parodying metal heads or being serious

Clever you Mr. Tyler

I think he's fucking around but who knows?

I was half serious, half joking, as always, lol

joking because, yes, I was mocking the know-it-all metalheads

but also serious because I stick to my guns: after Jazz and Blues (you're right there Gunsnhalen) comes Metal in terms of musicianship, and I'm taling about QUALITY metal, not Poison, the nu-metal shit or the typically amateurish black-metal teen band from Norway, no offense

rdhull said:

btw, fuck Kiss.

the hackiest of the hcks if there ever were hacks

(ducks)

whatever

their 74-75 material is 5 stars stuff

rialb said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Sixx always seems mixed in his personality. On one point he seems like the cool guy you want to hang out with at the party... and the next day he is the ranting asshole who we avoid on the streets

Musically i will say he is a good bass player & wrote the best songs in The Crue... imo.

Hell i even liked that Sixx A.M band he had

No doubt he was the creative force behind Motley Crue but I can't really think of any songs with distinctive basslines, maybe something from Motley Crue or Generation Swine but his playing during their peak years always struck me as very pedestrian. I guess "Primal Scream" has some cool bass bits.

ass Dr Feelgood, add the first and second album...

rialb said:

rdhull said:

Oh, I always knew Lee and company were cool even when it was popular for folks to clown on him way back when. Ive been searching for the soundtrack to Barb Wire for over a decade to get his MOM jam and a few other artists (rock version of Word Up) songs from it.

I think this is why I was disappointed to hear Nikki act like that....because even though the Crue audience were probably ...how do I put this.....er..probably current Fox News Republican tea Partiers..I always felt the dudes were not like that.

Check Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000008QRO/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

You can get a used copy for about three bucks.

gratzi

JoeTyler said:

rdhull said:

btw, fuck Kiss.

the hackiest of the hcks if there ever were hacks

(ducks)

whatever

their 74-75 material is 5 stars stuff

Gunsnhalen said:

True! who knows maybe they are ok with them?. I am just going off That Metal Show and what a lot of fans talk about.... there are some that seem ok with it and don't mind other types of genres in the hall.

But i know Tons of people complain about Madonna being in there & Donna Summer going in....

Call me crazy but i feel Madonna had some rock moments & Donna Summer espescially did so who knows

the entire Rock N Roll Hall of Fame seems like a bunch of bullshit when it comes right down to it..

rdhull said:

JoeTyler said:

whatever

their 74-75 material is 5 stars stuff

remember that they released THREE ALBUMS AND ONE LIVE ALBUM in less than 24 months

and they released some great songs after 1975 as well

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JoeTyler said:

rdhull said:

they released some great songs after that as well

I know. But they were/are still hacks. Oh the way Simmons schills his product.

rdhull said:

JoeTyler said:

they released some great songs after that as well

I know. But they were/are still hacks. Oh the way Simmons schills his product.

every group has its bacl sheep, sometimes I understand why Richards nearly stabbed Jagger to death, and the worst thing about Prince and the Revolution was...Prince

lol

JoeTyler said:

rdhull said:

I know. But they were/are still hacks. Oh the way Simmons schills his product.

every group has its bacl sheep, sometimes I understand why Richards nearly stabbed Jagger to death, and the worst thing about Prince and the Revolution was...Prince

lol

wait..dont try to act like Simmons isnt the mot unabashed/brazen with his compared to the others mentioned

FUCK IT, after all is said and done, metal is awesome because only such genre could spawn lyrics like these, pure wisdom:

"Time to burn! you losers better learn
No one controls my goddamn life
I'll do just what I feel riding horses made of steel
I'm here to burn up the night"

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JoeTyler said:

FUCK IT, after all is said and done, metal is awesome because only such genre could spawn lyrics like these, pure wisdom:

"Time to burn! you losers better learn
No one controls my goddamn life
I'll do just what I feel riding horses made of steel
I'm here to burn up the night"

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Now I know you're just bullshitting.

I'm with rialb. Yes KISS is hated by millions but they deserve to be in HOF. Their 1970's peers are in there and they should be too.

But I know there's some b.s. politics and hatred with Gene, Paul, Jan Wenner and Dave Marsh. Not to mention the orginal 4 members who can't stand each other. As an old school fan I can say

that sometimes KISS can be their own worst enemies.

I think Hanson and The Village People will get in there before KISS does.

^

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SPYZFAN1 said:

I'm with rialb. Yes KISS is hated by millions but they deserve to be in HOF. Their 1970's peers are in there and they should be too.

But I know there's some b.s. politics and hatred with Gene, Paul, Jan Wenner and Dave Marsh. Not to mention the orginal 4 members who can't stand each other. As an old school fan I can say

that sometimes KISS can be their own worst enemies.

I think Hanson and The Village People will get in there before KISS does.

Yeah people fail to mention the reason why Kiss ain't in is because of the beef Simmons and Stanley got against Wenner and Marsh. Don't know if the Kiss original founding members' beef has anything to do with it since I can name acts that had beef (Ike & Tina, The Beach Boys, Blondie, etc.) that still got in. But then again, the Rolling Stones were smart enough to get over their own beef by their own induction but everything else is right. I do see why people want them inducted as they are important to rock music and, at least in the '70s they had some of the greatest rock songs ever produced (as well as a live spectacle of their shows). But Deep Purple (who was robbed this year lol) will get in before they do. Real talk.

JoeTyler said:

^

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You drunk short haired metalhead.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

^

^

You drunk short haired metalhead.

not that short

damn, metal is like an ex you wanna (and should) leave behind, but...just can't

SPYZFAN1 said:

Yes KISS is hated by millions but they deserve to be in HOF. Their 1970's peers are in there

Tiny Tim is in? Bay City Rollers? When did The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and Starland Vocal Band get inducted?