I guess so.

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Timmy84 said:

^ I forgot how many covers that song inspired, I have to admit.

plus it's a tear jerker at weddings! IDK! Run that shit like other Hall of Fames. How many homeruns? basehits? games played? etc. It just seems like some corporate bullshit. The Hall is a tourist trap. No different that the Hard Rock, Disney or Sea World. The same corporate crap behind radio, mtv, clearchannel..whatever

I agree with you about Bette in "The Rose". I saw the film for the 1st time in late 2011. I never had any big interest in seeing it before but I actually watched it and dug it.

Bette killed it at the end of the film. I can see why she was nominated for an Oscar.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

IDK! Run that shit like other Hall of Fames. How many homeruns? basehits? games played? etc. It just seems like some corporate bullshit. The Hall is a tourist trap. No different that the Hard Rock, Disney or Sea World. The same corporate crap behind radio, mtv, clearchannel..whatever

Then what the fuck are you worried about with Kiss, of all bands, getting in or not? lmao

Timmy84 said:

^ I forgot how many covers that song inspired, I have to admit.

Granted but then where does that end? I mean i love a-ha and they are going to be inducted to the UK hall of fame, but obviously with only one hit here they wont be, BUT inspiration wise to me that video to this is an inlfuence and in the TOP 10 lists of all time as is the song for many decades now, also Coldplay, RadioHead and even U2 site them as influences, so clearly U2 is in, Radiohead most likely and Coldplay probably one day will be, so does the influence get in?

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I forgot how many covers that song inspired, I have to admit.

Granted but then where does that end? I mean i love a-ha and they are going to be inducted to the UK hall of fame, but obviously with only one hit here they wont be, BUT inspiration wise to me that video to this is an inlfuence and in the TOP 10 lists of all time as is the song for many decades now, also Coldplay, RadioHead and even U2 site them as influences, so clearly U2 is in, Radiohead most likely and Coldplay probably one day will be, so does the influence get in?

It depends.

With Sledge, it did.

With A-ha. I doubt it.

I think it ends somewhat with an affinity towards artists from the school of the 50's and 60's when it comes to either one hit wonders or at least popularity in the United States.

rdhull said:

lastdecember said:

Granted but then where does that end? I mean i love a-ha and they are going to be inducted to the UK hall of fame, but obviously with only one hit here they wont be, BUT inspiration wise to me that video to this is an inlfuence and in the TOP 10 lists of all time as is the song for many decades now, also Coldplay, RadioHead and even U2 site them as influences, so clearly U2 is in, Radiohead most likely and Coldplay probably one day will be, so does the influence get in?

It depends.

With Sledge, it did.

With A-ha. I doubt it.

I think it ends somewhat with an affinity towards artists from the school of the 50's and 60's when it comes to either one hit wonders or at least popularity in the United States.

I mean it's common knowledge. A-ha didn't do much to have a legacy here.

rdhull said:

lastdecember said:

Granted but then where does that end? I mean i love a-ha and they are going to be inducted to the UK hall of fame, but obviously with only one hit here they wont be, BUT inspiration wise to me that video to this is an inlfuence and in the TOP 10 lists of all time as is the song for many decades now, also Coldplay, RadioHead and even U2 site them as influences, so clearly U2 is in, Radiohead most likely and Coldplay probably one day will be, so does the influence get in?

It depends.

With Sledge, it did.

With A-ha. I doubt it.

I think it ends somewhat with an affinity towards artists from the school of the 50's and 60's when it comes to either one hit wonders or at least popularity in the United States.

by that token. I wonder if the Monkees have a shot in hell. i believe four #1 hits.

Timmy84 said:

rdhull said:

It depends.

With Sledge, it did.

With A-ha. I doubt it.

I think it ends somewhat with an affinity towards artists from the school of the 50's and 60's when it comes to either one hit wonders or at least popularity in the United States.

I mean it's common knowledge. A-ha didn't do much to have a legacy here.

Love them or hate them..I think Bon Jovi, the Cars, Chicago would all go in before A-ha. stuff like A-ha goes in I think you have to start thinking bands like The Fixx would go in maybe then they would even consider KISS..they sold over 100 million album. Where would it end?

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Sixx is the only Crue member I know that has said some racial shit. The other guys pretty much are anti-racists. Mars is neutral since no one asks him anything. But I know Vince and Tommy don't give a fuck about race. Sixx has a chip on his shoulder though.

Tommy also has performed with many rappers & is cool with Missy Elliot & Snoop

Don't yall remember her rap group Mayhem as well?

I have both Methods Of Mayhem CDs. Tommy does some DJing, too when Motley isn't doing anything.

rialb said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Sixx always seems mixed in his personality. On one point he seems like the cool guy you want to hang out with at the party... and the next day he is the ranting asshole who we avoid on the streets

Musically i will say he is a good bass player & wrote the best songs in The Crue... imo.

Hell i even liked that Sixx A.M band he had

No doubt he was the creative force behind Motley Crue but I can't really think of any songs with distinctive basslines, maybe something from Motley Crue or Generation Swine but his playing during their peak years always struck me as very pedestrian. I guess "Primal Scream" has some cool bass bits.

Nikki wrote most of their songs and he had the idea for the band itself. The Crue aren't exactly known for how technical their playing is. They're known for having catchy songs, glam image, and a flashy live show.

I liked the basslines on "Primal Scream", "Dr. Feelgood","Don't Go Away Mad" and "Afraid" (even though Vince HATES the "Generation Swine" album).

I Should have never mentioned motley crue to start with haha. LEave the crue alone. They kick ass. And they tour a shitload and are great wid their fans. NIkki six is a genius btw .

riocoolnes said:

I Should have never mentioned motley crue to start with haha. LEave the crue alone. They kick ass. And they tour a shitload and are great wid their fans. NIkki six is a genius btw .

I think they're cool too in spite of everything...

Timmy84 said:

riocoolnes said:

I Should have never mentioned motley crue to start with haha. LEave the crue alone. They kick ass. And they tour a shitload and are great wid their fans. NIkki six is a genius btw .

I think they're cool too in spite of everything...

Yeah, and Mick Mars is still playing despite his bad back!

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

I wonder if the Monkees have a shot in hell.

Michael Nesmith (2012): "It's their museum [and] I don't feel the least bit slighted, or snubbed in any way. The Monkees will be wherever they belong — I have a lot of confidence in that because of where we have popped up, in the right places, over time. Put the Monkees in the Smithsonian if you want to do something worthwhile in terms of memorializing the band's place in the culture. The Monkees were in the mix with most of the lions of rock 'n' roll, but we got there by special permission because of the TV show. None of us are fooling ourselves into thinking we are one of the great classic-rock bands. We are kind of an iconic garage band, sort of the inmates taking over the asylum, and we have a lot of fun."

Peter Tork (2007): The only person ... holding a grudge is Jann Wenner of Rolling Stone has never written a gracious word. He personally has the veto power to keep us out.

Micky Dolenz (2012): “Oh …it’s not for me to say. I’m very flattered that people, fans, and even the press have gone out there, signed petitions and stuff like that. I’ve never been one to chase awards or anything like that to be honest. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is not a public democratic organization; it’s a private club basically. It’s like a private golf club and they decide who they’re going to let in the club. Like I say, it’s not a democratic decision it’s a very private -one. Like a golf club … like Augusta deciding if they’re going to let women in the club. It’s their business and they can let enter or keep out anybody they want. But it’s a great organization too; I’ve done some charity work for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame foundation. They do a lot of great charity work but like I say it’s a private club. There’s really no rhyme or reason, it’s just the musical preference of a few people there.”

Joe is right about one thing...

Metal bands who use more then just metal into the genre are fuckign amazing

I'm talking bands that have metal sensibilities but also use funk, blues, country... especially funk.

I'm talking Faith No More, Liviing colour, Mr. Bungle, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Fishbone(My all time favorite bands), Urban Dance Squad, Bad Brains, Rage Against The Machine, Kings X etc...

Those bands are DA GAWDS

rialb said:

rdhull said:

Tiny Tim is in? Bay City Rollers? When did The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and Starland Vocal Band get inducted?

rdhull, even if you do hate my beloved Kiss:

The drums on that album are killer i can admit

DerekH said:

Timmy84 said:

I think they're cool too in spite of everything...

Yeah, and Mick Mars is still playing despite his bad back!

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Poor Mick... if you told dude he was paralyzed from the waist down, he'll still show up in concert playing his guitar from his wheelchair...

Timmy84 said:

DerekH said:

Yeah, and Mick Mars is still playing despite his bad back!

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Poor Mick... if you told dude he was paralyzed from the waist down, he'll still show up in concert playing his guitar from his wheelchair...

Funny thing is Mick started out playing blues music! and then got swindled into playing rock

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Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Poor Mick... if you told dude he was paralyzed from the waist down, he'll still show up in concert playing his guitar from his wheelchair...

Funny thing is Mick started out playing blues music! and then got swindled into playing rock

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Now THAT'S interesting.

DerekH said:

rialb said:

No doubt he was the creative force behind Motley Crue but I can't really think of any songs with distinctive basslines, maybe something from Motley Crue or Generation Swine but his playing during their peak years always struck me as very pedestrian. I guess "Primal Scream" has some cool bass bits.

Nikki wrote most of their songs and he had the idea for the band itself. The Crue aren't exactly known for how technical their playing is. They're known for having catchy songs, glam image, and a flashy live show.

I liked the basslines on "Primal Scream", "Dr. Feelgood","Don't Go Away Mad" and "Afraid" (even though Vince HATES the "Generation Swine" album).

I forgot about "Rock 'n' Roll Junkie" too. Not that it is necessarily a great bassline but it is one of the rare songs where you can actually hear the bass. Maybe I'm just not paying attention but for the most part his basslines strike me as being like AC/DC or Van Halen, very basic one or two note lines that are buried beneath the guitars.

riocoolnes said:

I Should have never mentioned motley crue to start with haha. LEave the crue alone. They kick ass. And they tour a shitload and are great wid their fans. NIkki six is a genius btw .

I like the Crue (I've got everything except the box sets and Saints of Los Angeles) but if Nikki is a genius then who isn't a genius?

Gunsnhalen said:

rialb said:

rdhull, even if you do hate my beloved Kiss:

The drums on that album are killer i can admit

That drum sound is courtesy of Michael Jackson. Michael James Jackson. I think I was about twelve years old when I first got the cassette and when I seen the name "Michael Jackson" listed as the producer I just assumed that it was the Michael Jackson. Now that would have been an...interesting...collaboration.

It's kind of too bad that Creatures of the Night was not better received. I think that it is easily their best album of the eighties (not that it has much competition) and it deserved to be a big hit. That album and, to a lesser degree, Lick It Up were maybe the only two from that decade where it seemed like Gene was contributing decent songs. The new songs on Killers (also produced by Michael James Jackson) were also pretty good, I think they should have stuck with him rather than having Paul produce the next two albums.

I wonder whatever happened to him? I know that he did an Armored Saint album (March of the Saint) and an L.A. Guns album (Hollywood Vampires) but he kind of disappeared.

I guess this is kind of relevant to this thread. I just learned that L.A. Guns did a cover of James Brown's "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag." Apparently it was only released on an EP (Cuts) in 1992 but it does not appear to be on youtube. I'm sure that it is awful but I would like to hear it.

rialb said:

riocoolnes said:

I Should have never mentioned motley crue to start with haha. LEave the crue alone. They kick ass. And they tour a shitload and are great wid their fans. NIkki six is a genius btw .

I like the Crue (I've got everything except the box sets and Saints of Los Angeles) but if Nikki is a genius then who isn't a genius?

I though Saints of Los angeles Kicked ass. Mudafucka of the year, chicks=trouble, goin out swingin, Saints of los angeles. not their greatest but good. Lol Nikki six wrote some of the greatest riffs of all time he's a genius in his own way.

A little off topic, I'll give my two cents on the discussion later, but have you listened to Raggadeath? I think you'd like them.

Also check out One Life to Live...they're Canadian

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rialb said:

DerekH said:

Nikki wrote most of their songs and he had the idea for the band itself. The Crue aren't exactly known for how technical their playing is. They're known for having catchy songs, glam image, and a flashy live show.

I liked the basslines on "Primal Scream", "Dr. Feelgood","Don't Go Away Mad" and "Afraid" (even though Vince HATES the "Generation Swine" album).

I forgot about "Rock 'n' Roll Junkie" too. Not that it is necessarily a great bassline but it is one of the rare songs where you can actually hear the bass. Maybe I'm just not paying attention but for the most part his basslines strike me as being like AC/DC or Van Halen, very basic one or two note lines that are buried beneath the guitars.

I think it was the production style on a lot of 80s hard rock/metal to have the guitars and vocals louder than the bass and drums. I just listened to "Rock N Roll Junkie" and to me the tone of the bass sounds different than on some of the other Crue songs.

When I said I liked the basslines in those Crue songs, I mean how they fit in the songs, not necessarily how hard they are to play. I like the guitar riff on "Looks That Kill" and it's just a power chord on the 3rd and 4th strings that goes down the neck of the guitar and drops an octave down to the 6th string on the chorus of the song and the bass doubles it. It's easy to play, but it's catchy!

A lot of AC/DC's songs might sound basic, but they are catchy, too!

I like how Van Halen's albums were produced, because everything was loud! You could hear the bass and drums as much as the guitars and vocals. I like the basslines in their songs, too.

rialb said:

Gunsnhalen said:

The drums on that album are killer i can admit

That drum sound is courtesy of Michael Jackson. Michael James Jackson. I think I was about twelve years old when I first got the cassette and when I seen the name "Michael Jackson" listed as the producer I just assumed that it was the Michael Jackson. Now that would have been an...interesting...collaboration.

It's kind of too bad that Creatures of the Night was not better received. I think that it is easily their best album of the eighties (not that it has much competition) and it deserved to be a big hit. That album and, to a lesser degree, Lick It Up were maybe the only two from that decade where it seemed like Gene was contributing decent songs. The new songs on Killers (also produced by Michael James Jackson) were also pretty good, I think they should have stuck with him rather than having Paul produce the next two albums.

I wonder whatever happened to him? I know that he did an Armored Saint album (March of the Saint) and an L.A. Guns album (Hollywood Vampires) but he kind of disappeared.

I guess this is kind of relevant to this thread. I just learned that L.A. Guns did a cover of James Brown's "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag." Apparently it was only released on an EP (Cuts) in 1992 but it does not appear to be on youtube. I'm sure that it is awful but I would like to hear it.

well, despite the gold status of Lick It Up and the well-received late'83 first non-makeup tour, it's no secret that Kiss still faced financial TROUBLE, so after 1983 it was basically "let's do it ourselves: cheap, quick and easy"; both Simmons and Stanley had this HUGE writer's block during the mid-80s and not even Ron Nevison could help 'em (that Crazy Nights '87 album, average at best, full of embarrassing filler and clumsy keyboards at worst), but still the band survived the rest of the '80s thanks to the 4 or 5 semi-hits that Paul wrote during that time, Michael Bolton and all

and I guess Michael J. Jackson basically disappeared after the hard-rock craze of the 80s, like many other great producers of that time: whatever happened to Mike Clink?? Ted Templeman? Flemming Rasmussen?? only Rick Rubin and Bob Rock made decades-lasting careers...

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JoeTyler said:

rialb said:

That drum sound is courtesy of Michael Jackson. Michael James Jackson. I think I was about twelve years old when I first got the cassette and when I seen the name "Michael Jackson" listed as the producer I just assumed that it was the Michael Jackson. Now that would have been an...interesting...collaboration.

It's kind of too bad that Creatures of the Night was not better received. I think that it is easily their best album of the eighties (not that it has much competition) and it deserved to be a big hit. That album and, to a lesser degree, Lick It Up were maybe the only two from that decade where it seemed like Gene was contributing decent songs. The new songs on Killers (also produced by Michael James Jackson) were also pretty good, I think they should have stuck with him rather than having Paul produce the next two albums.

I wonder whatever happened to him? I know that he did an Armored Saint album (March of the Saint) and an L.A. Guns album (Hollywood Vampires) but he kind of disappeared.

I guess this is kind of relevant to this thread. I just learned that L.A. Guns did a cover of James Brown's "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag." Apparently it was only released on an EP (Cuts) in 1992 but it does not appear to be on youtube. I'm sure that it is awful but I would like to hear it.

well, despite the gold status of Lick It Up and the well-received late'83 first non-makeup tour, it's no secret that Kiss still faced financial TROUBLE, so after 1983 it was basically "let's do it ourselves: cheap, quick and easy"; both Simmons and Stanley had this HUGE writer's block during the mid-80s and not even Ron Nevison could help 'em (that Crazy Nights '87 album, average at best, full of embarrassing filler and clumsy keyboards at worst), but still the band survived the rest of the '80s thanks to the 4 or 5 semi-hits that Paul wrote during that time, Michael Bolton and all

and I guess Michael J. Jackson basically disappeared after the hard-rock craze of the 80s, like many other great producers of that time: whatever happened to Mike Clink?? Ted Templeman? Flemming Rasmussen?? only Rick Rubin and Bob Rock made decades-lasting careers...

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That's probably true regarding the D.I.Y. production that Kiss adopted in the mid-late eighties but it wasn't really that noticeable until Hot in the Shade. Sure, "Forever" was a huge hit but both Paul and Gene later admitted that the album was basically demos that they didn't want to spend the money upgrading. I don't think it is a coincidence that Revenge (arguably their best ever album) was produced by a "big name" producer (Bob Ezrin). I do have to give Paul credit for the last two albums, I don't think that the fact that he produced them hurts them at all. They sound pretty good to me.

Howard Benson is still as busy as ever. Michael Beinhorn is another producer who I liked but he has disappeared a bit over the last decade or so.

I guess that it is a good thing that so many artists can self-produce and get a decent sound doing it but I miss the magic that you got when you had the rare confluence of a great band with a great batch of songs working with the right producer.

aardvark15 said:

Racism, ageism, sexism, and homophobia are deep in music roots. If you're one race, sexuality, age, sex or a combination of the four you're expected to like/make a certain kind of music

White:

Straight Man- Rock

Southern Straight Man And Woman - Country

Straight Woman - Women who can't sing

LGBT - Dance and women with strong voices

Black:

Straight & Young - Hip-Hop, Rap

Straight & Old - R&B

LGBT - Soul Divas and Frank Ocean

Hispanic:

Straight Black Hispanic - Hispanic Hip-Hop

Straight Non-Black Hispanic - Music from artists from the person's country

LGBT - Gloria Estefan

I will never understand why these boundaries are made, but they are

I agreee! i also never will understand why there are boundaries made in music. i listen to all kinds of stuff really. I don't care what genre it is, if i like it, then i like it. even tho i don't like people that are really racist, homophobic, or sexist, etc. but still i can dig someone's music still, but i will not support(in buying cds or going to gigs) that band or artist.

If people don't like me for my open minded music taste, fuck them. i like what i want.