Azz said:

dag said:

Biggest selling double album is "not selling well"?

Stop kidding yourself. It did NOT sell well.

That's why it set that world record.

dag said:

Randy Jackson Owes Baby MamaOver $500,000 In Child Support

There are 500,000 reasons why Randy Jackson wants to battle over the late King of Pop's will.

The Jackson brother has two children with baby mama Alejandra Genevieve Oaziaza, and RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned he's a whopping $500,000 behind in child support payments.

"Let me just say this. This is not about money for us," Randy insisted when he appeared on MSNBC's PoliticsNation last Tuesday night.

However, as RadarOnline.com exclusively reported, both Randy and Jermaine Jackson -- who also has children with Alejandra — asked Michael Jackson's estate to pay for their child support.

According to a close inside source, Randy, 50, owes more than half a million dollars to Alejandra in past due child support for Genevieve, 22, and Steven, 20.

"There's no reason why Randy should be so far behind on his child support payments. He shouldn't be a deadbeat dad," the insider told RadarOnline.com.

"But knowing how much Randy owes along with all this crazy drama surrounding Michael's estate, there's definitely reason to question his motives regarding the estate and Michael's will."

Randy, Jermaine and Janet Jackson claim Michael's will is fake and are taking on the estate's executors, John Branca and John McClain.

Calls to Randy's attorney for comment went unreturned.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/randy-jackson-owes-500000-child-support-alejandra

I wonder why he didn't join his brothers' tour? He certainly could have used the money.Randy is nothing but a lazy,money-hungry opportunist who doesn't even want to work.He wants things handed to him because he's an Almighty Jackson His latest scheme appears to be backfiring and when all the drama dies down,I'm sure he will beg Katherine for the money,like he always does.

@JermaineJackson

Yesterday, I had a phone call with my son Jaafar that broke my heart. He asked: "Is it true that we cannot visit grandmother's house as a family anymore?" Enough has become enough... After much soul-searching, it is clearly time for us to live by Michael's words about love not war. In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch. Accordingly, I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public. I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict. Whatever the tabloid and on-line misrepresentations have led people to believe, my primary concern has only ever been rooted in the welfare of our mother in the environment where she lives. No-one on the outside has a clue about the stresses and pressures she has been under long before recent events and I, like everyone in the family, adore the ground she walks on. We are also still raw from the loss of Michael three years ago. The ever-present grief has haunted me with questions about whether we stepped off him too much or whether we did enough to help when a corporate world surrounded him. So when it comes to the well-being of loved ones, and especially our mother, we are perhaps understandably and unapologetically over-protective. As attorney Perry Sanders has since confirmed, a health check detected high blood pressure with Mother. Rest was the sole reason she went to Arizona. Prince even carried her bags down the stairs and urged her to rest-up, because we all come from the same caring place. When she was away, and with the children in the responsible care of Tito's son TJ, there was never a malicious attempt to "block" the kids from talking with her. We simply worried that a call home would first entail, or lead to, conversations with individuals we are in dispute with and that would, therefore, increase pressure on Mother -- and pressure was what a doctor said she didn't need. This was why we went to the house in Calabasas to talk directly with the kids and merely discuss arrangements for them to meet with their grandmother. We were denied that access by security -- and it was clear that mutual suspicions had allowed events to spiral out of control. I regret that events were ever allowed to reach such a stage. I regret any distress caused to Prince, Paris and Blanket. That was never, ever the intention of myself, Janet, Rebbie or Randy. Moving forward, the most effective way to best serve Mother's welfare, and that of Michael's children, is to start a collective dialogue, in private. Mistakes have been made and irrational things have been said on both sides in a highly-charged emotional environment. It is time for us all to draw a line in the sand and move towards peace, co-operation, love and healing. I truly hope that we can find it in our hearts to do so. Because above and beyond anything else, what matters...is family.

Wow. Damage control. Finally!

Oh, and don't listen to [Altering another orgers name for name calling that orger is not allowed Snip - luv4u]

. HIStory did well, sold 20 mio copies, despite being a double album with a hefty price tag and it is a great album, front to back.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Azz said:

For Michel Jackson, it did not sell well. Especially when Dangerous sold 40 million. And the fact they spent $30 million on promotion

Dangerous sold 32 million, not 40 million. Also consider the fact that it was a double album, and because of the price it would sell a significantly lower amount than a single disk album.

I disagree.

Why not instead release seperate works?

Michael's popularity was lower, as was his quality of music. And I think Sony new this.

With such a large amount on promoting, the sales would have been disapointing

Azz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Dangerous sold 32 million, not 40 million. Also consider the fact that it was a double album, and because of the price it would sell a significantly lower amount than a single disk album.

I disagree.

Why not instead release seperate works?

Michael's popularity was lower, as was his quality of music. And I think Sony new this.

With such a large amount on promoting, the sales would have been disapointing

That's why they were pouring that much money into promoting him.

Azz said:

This is sad

@JermaineJackson

Yesterday, I had a phone call with my son Jaafar that broke my heart. He asked: "Is it true that we cannot visit grandmother's house as a family anymore?" Enough has become enough... After much soul-searching, it is clearly time for us to live by Michael's words about love not war. In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch. Accordingly, I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public. I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict. Whatever the tabloid and on-line misrepresentations have led people to believe, my primary concern has only ever been rooted in the welfare of our mother in the environment where she lives. No-one on the outside has a clue about the stresses and pressures she has been under long before recent events and I, like everyone in the family, adore the ground she walks on. We are also still raw from the loss of Michael three years ago. The ever-present grief has haunted me with questions about whether we stepped off him too much or whether we did enough to help when a corporate world surrounded him. So when it comes to the well-being of loved ones, and especially our mother, we are perhaps understandably and unapologetically over-protective. As attorney Perry Sanders has since confirmed, a health check detected high blood pressure with Mother. Rest was the sole reason she went to Arizona. Prince even carried her bags down the stairs and urged her to rest-up, because we all come from the same caring place. When she was away, and with the children in the responsible care of Tito's son TJ, there was never a malicious attempt to "block" the kids from talking with her. We simply worried that a call home would first entail, or lead to, conversations with individuals we are in dispute with and that would, therefore, increase pressure on Mother -- and pressure was what a doctor said she didn't need. This was why we went to the house in Calabasas to talk directly with the kids and merely discuss arrangements for them to meet with their grandmother. We were denied that access by security -- and it was clear that mutual suspicions had allowed events to spiral out of control. I regret that events were ever allowed to reach such a stage. I regret any distress caused to Prince, Paris and Blanket. That was never, ever the intention of myself, Janet, Rebbie or Randy. Moving forward, the most effective way to best serve Mother's welfare, and that of Michael's children, is to start a collective dialogue, in private. Mistakes have been made and irrational things have been said on both sides in a highly-charged emotional environment. It is time for us all to draw a line in the sand and move towards peace, co-operation, love and healing. I truly hope that we can find it in our hearts to do so. Because above and beyond anything else, what matters...is family.

Yes, It is sad that Jermaine is such a self involved dumbass. The best way to move forward is to start a collective dialogue in private without one more tweet, without the tweet coming from his hands right then. What a dumbass, he had to try pulling on one last little heartstring for himself - "Is it true that we cannot visit grandmother's house as a family anymore?" F that noise - "Tito get me some tissue. Jermaine stop teasing."

Azz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Dangerous sold 32 million, not 40 million. Also consider the fact that it was a double album, and because of the price it would sell a significantly lower amount than a single disk album.

I disagree.

Why not instead release seperate works?

Michael's popularity was lower, as was his quality of music. And I think Sony new this.

With such a large amount on promoting, the sales would have been disapointing

But it should have been expected. The majority of the public does not want to pay extra money to buy one album of hits and one album of new material. Yes his popularity was lower, but taking these factors into consideration, I think the album did much better than "not selling well."

PatrickS77 said:

@JermaineJackson

Yesterday, I had a phone call with my son Jaafar that broke my heart. He asked: "Is it true that we cannot visit grandmother's house as a family anymore?" Enough has become enough... After much soul-searching, it is clearly time for us to live by Michael's words about love not war. In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch. Accordingly, I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public. I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict. Whatever the tabloid and on-line misrepresentations have led people to believe, my primary concern has only ever been rooted in the welfare of our mother in the environment where she lives. No-one on the outside has a clue about the stresses and pressures she has been under long before recent events and I, like everyone in the family, adore the ground she walks on. We are also still raw from the loss of Michael three years ago. The ever-present grief has haunted me with questions about whether we stepped off him too much or whether we did enough to help when a corporate world surrounded him. So when it comes to the well-being of loved ones, and especially our mother, we are perhaps understandably and unapologetically over-protective. As attorney Perry Sanders has since confirmed, a health check detected high blood pressure with Mother. Rest was the sole reason she went to Arizona. Prince even carried her bags down the stairs and urged her to rest-up, because we all come from the same caring place. When she was away, and with the children in the responsible care of Tito's son TJ, there was never a malicious attempt to "block" the kids from talking with her. We simply worried that a call home would first entail, or lead to, conversations with individuals we are in dispute with and that would, therefore, increase pressure on Mother -- and pressure was what a doctor said she didn't need. This was why we went to the house in Calabasas to talk directly with the kids and merely discuss arrangements for them to meet with their grandmother. We were denied that access by security -- and it was clear that mutual suspicions had allowed events to spiral out of control. I regret that events were ever allowed to reach such a stage. I regret any distress caused to Prince, Paris and Blanket. That was never, ever the intention of myself, Janet, Rebbie or Randy. Moving forward, the most effective way to best serve Mother's welfare, and that of Michael's children, is to start a collective dialogue, in private. Mistakes have been made and irrational things have been said on both sides in a highly-charged emotional environment. It is time for us all to draw a line in the sand and move towards peace, co-operation, love and healing. I truly hope that we can find it in our hearts to do so. Because above and beyond anything else, what matters...is family.

Wow. Damage control. Finally!

Oh, and don't listen to [Altering another orgers name for name calling that orger is not allowed Snip - luv4u]

The sales were 15 million before he died. If anything his old hits attracted more sales.

Delusion.

Ds, Money, Childhood, 2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie, This Time Around are all average/undeverage. And two covers, really?

dag said:

Azz said:

I disagree.

Why not instead release seperate works?

Michael's popularity was lower, as was his quality of music. And I think Sony new this.

With such a large amount on promoting, the sales would have been disapointing

That's why they were pouring that much money into promoting him.

An attempt to recoup money from the hefty, suppposed 'billion' dollar contract which was made one day after Janet's record breaking contract?

Azz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Yes it did. What? C'mon man.

For Michel Jackson, it did not sell well. Especially when Dangerous sold 40 million. And the fact they spent $30 million on promotion

History sold more than Dangerous in its first week. It sold over a million copies in its first week. And its the highest saling double disc to date. And it did sale 40 million copies unit wise and over 20 million copies and sold more when he passed.

Azz said:

PatrickS77 said:

Wow. Damage control. Finally!

Oh, and don't listen to [Altering another orgers name for name calling that orger is not allowed Snip - luv4u]

The sales were 15 million before he died. If anything his old hits attracted more sales.

Delusion.

Ds, Money, Childhood, 2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie, This Time Around are all average/undeverage. And two covers, really?

The sales were 18 mio in '97! So in those 12 years before his death he definitely has moved another million.

2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie and Childhood are great songs. DS, Money and This time around are good songs.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

For Michel Jackson, it did not sell well. Especially when Dangerous sold 40 million. And the fact they spent $30 million on promotion

History sold more than Dangerous in its first week. It sold over a million copies in its first week. And its the highest saling double disc to date. And it did sale 40 million copies unit wise and over 20 million copies and sold more when he passed.

First week sales are somewhat irrelivant. Thriller didn't even debut at number one.

Unit sales? Common....

The best-selling double album of all time is Pink Floyd's The Wall with over 30 million copies (60 million units) worldwide.

Azz said:

PatrickS77 said:

Wow. Damage control. Finally!

Oh, and don't listen to [Altering another orgers name for name calling that orger is not allowed Snip - luv4u]

The sales were 15 million before he died. If anything his old hits attracted more sales.

Delusion.

Ds, Money, Childhood, 2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie, This Time Around are all average/undeverage. And two covers, really?

Right, as if the public did not have other choices if they were interested just in the hits such as

The Essential Michael Jackson

Number ONes

The Ultimate Collection.

The songs you mentioned are not average. I love all of them except This Time Around and as for the covers, Smile is a masterpiece. The way Michael sings it gives me chills.

PatrickS77 said:

Azz said:

The sales were 15 million before he died. If anything his old hits attracted more sales.

Delusion.

Ds, Money, Childhood, 2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie, This Time Around are all average/undeverage. And two covers, really?

The sales were 18 mio in '97! So in those 12 years before his death he definitely has moved another million.

2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie and Childhood are great songs. DS, Money and This time around are good songs.

It's at 20 million now. And yet in 2010 it sold 4 million. That adds up?

Jermaine's new "statement" via Twitter:

Yesterday, I had a phone call with my son Jaafar that broke my heart. He asked: "Is it true that we cannot visit grandmother's house as a family anymore?" Enough has become enough... After much soul-searching, it is clearly time for us to live by Michael's words about love not war. In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch. Accordingly, I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public. I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict. Whatever the tabloid and on-line misrepresentations have led people to believe, my primary concern has only ever been rooted in the welfare of our mother in the environment where she lives. No-one on the outside has a clue about the stresses and pressures she has been under long before recent events and I, like everyone in the family, adore the ground she walks on. We are also still raw from the loss of Michael three years ago. The ever-present grief has haunted me with questions about whether we stepped off him too much or whether we did enough to help when a corporate world surrounded him. So when it comes to the well-being of loved ones, and especially our mother, we are perhaps understandably and unapologetically over-protective. As attorney Perry Sanders has since confirmed, a health check detected high blood pressure with Mother. Rest was the sole reason she went to Arizona. Prince even carried her bags down the stairs and urged her to rest-up, because we all come from the same caring place. When she was away, and with the children in the responsible care of Tito's son TJ, there was never a malicious attempt to "block" the kids from talking with her. We simply worried that a call home would first entail, or lead to, conversations with individuals we are in dispute with and that would, therefore, increase pressure on Mother -- and pressure was what a doctor said she didn't need. This was why we went to the house in Calabasas to talk directly with the kids and merely discuss arrangements for them to meet with their grandmother. We were denied that access by security -- and it was clear that mutual suspicions had allowed events to spiral out of control. I regret that events were ever allowed to reach such a stage. I regret any distress caused to Prince, Paris and Blanket. That was never, ever the intention of myself, Janet, Rebbie or Randy. Moving forward, the most effective way to best serve Mother's welfare, and that of Michael's children, is to start a collective dialogue, in private. Mistakes have been made and irrational things have been said on both sides in a highly-charged emotional environment. It is time for us all to draw a line in the sand and move towards peace, co-operation, love and healing. I truly hope that we can find it in our hearts to do so. Because above and beyond anything else, what matters...is family.

- Jermaine Jackson

August 1st, 2012

------

This is so typical Jermaine. He (or one of the brothers) causes drama, starts a whole big mess, someone finds out about it, blows the lid on it, he blames the other side along with his "apology" and instead of admitting he fucked up, he just tries to cover it up and make it like he didn't, and that it was everyone else's fault along with his, and then talks about how strong the family is. Wake up call...maybe the family wouldn't have to be "so strong" and "heal" if it wasn't so busy undoing all the bullshit he starts or causes. This is the exact same shit he pulled when 'Word To The Bad" came out. He blamed Michael for ignoring him when he "apoligzed" and then went back to the usual BS about how strong the family is and how it can overcome anything. Ugh. The only thing this family needs healing from now is Jermaine's plot. (And Janet, Randy, and Rebbie - I'm putting ya'll on notice.)

dag said:

Azz said:

The sales were 15 million before he died. If anything his old hits attracted more sales.

Delusion.

Ds, Money, Childhood, 2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie, This Time Around are all average/undeverage. And two covers, really?

Right, as if the public did not have other choices if they were interested just in the hits such as

The Essential Michael Jackson

Number ONes

The Ultimate Collection.

The songs you mentioned are not average. I love all of them except This Time Around and as for the covers, Smile is a masterpiece. The way Michael sings it gives me chills.

The Essential Michael Jackson - 2005
Number Ones - 2003
The Ultimate Collecton - 2005

How long have you been an MJ fan?

PatrickS77 said:

Azz said:

The sales were 15 million before he died. If anything his old hits attracted more sales.

Delusion.

Ds, Money, Childhood, 2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie, This Time Around are all average/undeverage. And two covers, really?

The sales were 18 mio in '97! So in those 12 years before his death he definitely has moved another million.

2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie and Childhood are great songs. DS, Money and This time around are good songs.

Little Susie is a Europen Dutch Folk inspired piece as well as Stranger in Moscow... how ANYBODY on the planet can call that underaverage is BULLSHITTING. History shows Michaels growth as a songwriter and over all production genre wise. History is Michaels most political album despite it still having pop success.

mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

The sales were 18 mio in '97! So in those 12 years before his death he definitely has moved another million.

2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie and Childhood are great songs. DS, Money and This time around are good songs.

Little Susie is a Europen Dutch Folk inspired piece as well as Stranger in Moscow... how ANYBODY on the planet can call that underaverage is BULLSHITTING. History shows Michaels growth as a songwriter and over all production genre wise. History is Michaels most political album despite it still having pop success.

Stranger In Moscow is a masterpiece, Little Susie is not.

Azz said:

dag said:

Right, as if the public did not have other choices if they were interested just in the hits such as

The Essential Michael Jackson

Number ONes

The Ultimate Collection.

The songs you mentioned are not average. I love all of them except This Time Around and as for the covers, Smile is a masterpiece. The way Michael sings it gives me chills.

The Essential Michael Jackson - 2005
Number Ones - 2003
The Ultimate Collecton - 2005

How long have you been an MJ fan?

Azz if you do not care for those songs thats okay but NONE of those songs are NEAR average... They all dEAL with complicated themes beyond the surface level and lyrically complex. They Dont Really Care About Us is a well written political song that is complex but still had pop success......

Vanilli said:

Jermaine's new "statement" via Twitter:

Yesterday, I had a phone call with my son Jaafar that broke my heart. He asked: "Is it true that we cannot visit grandmother's house as a family anymore?" Enough has become enough... After much soul-searching, it is clearly time for us to live by Michael's words about love not war. In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch. Accordingly, I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public. I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict. Whatever the tabloid and on-line misrepresentations have led people to believe, my primary concern has only ever been rooted in the welfare of our mother in the environment where she lives. No-one on the outside has a clue about the stresses and pressures she has been under long before recent events and I, like everyone in the family, adore the ground she walks on. We are also still raw from the loss of Michael three years ago. The ever-present grief has haunted me with questions about whether we stepped off him too much or whether we did enough to help when a corporate world surrounded him. So when it comes to the well-being of loved ones, and especially our mother, we are perhaps understandably and unapologetically over-protective. As attorney Perry Sanders has since confirmed, a health check detected high blood pressure with Mother. Rest was the sole reason she went to Arizona. Prince even carried her bags down the stairs and urged her to rest-up, because we all come from the same caring place. When she was away, and with the children in the responsible care of Tito's son TJ, there was never a malicious attempt to "block" the kids from talking with her. We simply worried that a call home would first entail, or lead to, conversations with individuals we are in dispute with and that would, therefore, increase pressure on Mother -- and pressure was what a doctor said she didn't need. This was why we went to the house in Calabasas to talk directly with the kids and merely discuss arrangements for them to meet with their grandmother. We were denied that access by security -- and it was clear that mutual suspicions had allowed events to spiral out of control. I regret that events were ever allowed to reach such a stage. I regret any distress caused to Prince, Paris and Blanket. That was never, ever the intention of myself, Janet, Rebbie or Randy. Moving forward, the most effective way to best serve Mother's welfare, and that of Michael's children, is to start a collective dialogue, in private. Mistakes have been made and irrational things have been said on both sides in a highly-charged emotional environment. It is time for us all to draw a line in the sand and move towards peace, co-operation, love and healing. I truly hope that we can find it in our hearts to do so. Because above and beyond anything else, what matters...is family.

- Jermaine Jackson

August 1st, 2012

------

This is so typical Jermaine. He (or one of the brothers) causes drama, starts a whole big mess, someone finds out about it, blows the lid on it, he blames the other side along with his "apology" and instead of admitting he fucked up, he just tries to cover it up and make it like he didn't, and that it was everyone else's fault along with his, and then talks about how strong the family is. Wake up call...maybe the family wouldn't have to be "so strong" and "heal" if it wasn't so busy undoing all the bullshit he starts or causes. This is the exact same shit he pulled when 'Word To The Bad" came out. He blamed Michael for ignoring him when he "apoligzed" and then went back to the usual BS about how strong the family is and how it can overcome anything. Ugh. The only thing this family needs healing from now is Jermaine's plot. (And Janet, Randy, and Rebbie - I'm putting ya'll on notice.)

Exactly.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

The Essential Michael Jackson - 2005
Number Ones - 2003
The Ultimate Collecton - 2005

How long have you been an MJ fan?

Azz if you do not care for those songs thats okay but NONE of those songs are NEAR average... They all dEAL with complicated themes beyond the surface level and lyrically complex. They Dont Really Care About Us is a well written political song that is complex but still had pop success......

They Don't Really Care About Us is amazing, when did I say otherwise?

Are you actually reading what I am saying? Or are you just seeing the word 'average', and 'going off on one'.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Little Susie is a Europen Dutch Folk inspired piece as well as Stranger in Moscow... how ANYBODY on the planet can call that underaverage is BULLSHITTING. History shows Michaels growth as a songwriter and over all production genre wise. History is Michaels most political album despite it still having pop success.

Stranger In Moscow is a masterpiece, Little Susie is not.

Little Susie is VERY underrated, are you kidding me

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

Stranger In Moscow is a masterpiece, Little Susie is not.

Little Susie is VERY underrated, are you kidding me

I can't belive you are having a heart attack because I said Little Susie is average. If you were to play it to any non MJ fan along with Stranger In Moscow, they would agree with me.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Azz if you do not care for those songs thats okay but NONE of those songs are NEAR average... They all dEAL with complicated themes beyond the surface level and lyrically complex. They Dont Really Care About Us is a well written political song that is complex but still had pop success......

They Don't Really Care About Us is amazing, when did I say otherwise?

Are you actually reading what I am saying? Or are you just seeing the word 'average', and 'going off on one'.

I am reading... The whole album was structured around a certain theme and most of all the lyrics carried that theme among other elements. I just brougt that song up since it appears your trashing the album as mediocre.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Little Susie is VERY underrated, are you kidding me

I can't belive you are having a heart attack because I said Little Susie is average. If you were to play it to any non MJ fan along with Stranger In Moscow, they would agree with me.

Azz - the world speaker for the non-MJ fans.

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

They Don't Really Care About Us is amazing, when did I say otherwise?

Are you actually reading what I am saying? Or are you just seeing the word 'average', and 'going off on one'.

I am reading... The whole album was structured around a certain theme and most of all the lyrics carried that theme among other elements. I just brougt that song up since it appears your trashing the album as mediocre.

I said that the album contained some of his best work, the rest however, are fillers.

Azz said:

PatrickS77 said:

The sales were 18 mio in '97! So in those 12 years before his death he definitely has moved another million.

2 Bad, HIStory, Little Susie and Childhood are great songs. DS, Money and This time around are good songs.

It's at 20 million now. And yet in 2010 it sold 4 million. That adds up?

Who said it sold 4 mio in 2010?? It was at 18 mio in '97. The 20 mio was a guestimate on my part. If it indeed sold 4 mio in 2010, well then it is at least at 22 mio now... obviously. Wikipedia says over 20 mio. 22 mio is over 20 mio.

dag said:

Azz said:

I can't belive you are having a heart attack because I said Little Susie is average. If you were to play it to any non MJ fan along with Stranger In Moscow, they would agree with me.

Azz - the world speaker for the non-MJ fans.

I own like 12 MJ albums (including Jackson 5). I am a fan. Don't you think I know too much to be a non-MJ fan.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Little Susie is VERY underrated, are you kidding me

I can't belive you are having a heart attack because I said Little Susie is average. If you were to play it to any non MJ fan along with Stranger In Moscow, they would agree with me.

NOT TRUE.

They would like it because its different and its not a pop song coming from the King of Pop. Its a very creative piece and far from what I would call average.

[Edited 8/1/12 13:21pm]

Vanilli said:

Jermaine's new "statement" via Twitter:

Yesterday, I had a phone call with my son Jaafar that broke my heart. He asked: "Is it true that we cannot visit grandmother's house as a family anymore?" Enough has become enough... After much soul-searching, it is clearly time for us to live by Michael's words about love not war. In this spirit, I offer this statement by way of extending an olive-branch. Accordingly, I rescind my signature from the letter which was sent to the Estate, and which should never have gone public. I still hold deep reservations about many issues involving the Estate, and I will continue to bring scrutiny and a resolute voice wherever we have cause for concern. But the way to address such matters is through the proper channels and via a private dialogue, not public conflict. Whatever the tabloid and on-line misrepresentations have led people to believe, my primary concern has only ever been rooted in the welfare of our mother in the environment where she lives. No-one on the outside has a clue about the stresses and pressures she has been under long before recent events and I, like everyone in the family, adore the ground she walks on. We are also still raw from the loss of Michael three years ago. The ever-present grief has haunted me with questions about whether we stepped off him too much or whether we did enough to help when a corporate world surrounded him. So when it comes to the well-being of loved ones, and especially our mother, we are perhaps understandably and unapologetically over-protective. As attorney Perry Sanders has since confirmed, a health check detected high blood pressure with Mother. Rest was the sole reason she went to Arizona. Prince even carried her bags down the stairs and urged her to rest-up, because we all come from the same caring place. When she was away, and with the children in the responsible care of Tito's son TJ, there was never a malicious attempt to "block" the kids from talking with her. We simply worried that a call home would first entail, or lead to, conversations with individuals we are in dispute with and that would, therefore, increase pressure on Mother -- and pressure was what a doctor said she didn't need. This was why we went to the house in Calabasas to talk directly with the kids and merely discuss arrangements for them to meet with their grandmother. We were denied that access by security -- and it was clear that mutual suspicions had allowed events to spiral out of control. I regret that events were ever allowed to reach such a stage. I regret any distress caused to Prince, Paris and Blanket. That was never, ever the intention of myself, Janet, Rebbie or Randy. Moving forward, the most effective way to best serve Mother's welfare, and that of Michael's children, is to start a collective dialogue, in private. Mistakes have been made and irrational things have been said on both sides in a highly-charged emotional environment. It is time for us all to draw a line in the sand and move towards peace, co-operation, love and healing. I truly hope that we can find it in our hearts to do so. Because above and beyond anything else, what matters...is family.

- Jermaine Jackson

August 1st, 2012

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This is so typical Jermaine. He (or one of the brothers) causes drama, starts a whole big mess, someone finds out about it, blows the lid on it, he blames the other side along with his "apology" and instead of admitting he fucked up, he just tries to cover it up and make it like he didn't, and that it was everyone else's fault along with his, and then talks about how strong the family is. Wake up call...maybe the family wouldn't have to be "so strong" and "heal" if it wasn't so busy undoing all the bullshit he starts or causes. This is the exact same shit he pulled when 'Word To The Bad" came out. He blamed Michael for ignoring him when he "apoligzed" and then went back to the usual BS about how strong the family is and how it can overcome anything. Ugh. The only thing this family needs healing from now is Jermaine's plot. (And Janet, Randy, and Rebbie - I'm putting ya'll on notice.)

Look up the word fuckups and I swear you would see pics of Jermaine and Randy. Every plan they come up with just always backfires on them.

As you read the responses to Janet's aplogy and just seeing the reaction to this family, you can just see they just majorly fucked up bigtime this time around.