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Reply #960 posted 07/25/12 1:09pm

Azz

dag said:

Azz said:

It's sad that the certain parties managed to sway this into ludicrous drama, when in reality an elderly woman is ill.

Have you noticed that not even the judge believed that?

Perfect TJ's story seems to corroborate it.

"I've never heard my grandmother talk like that." TJ added, "She wasn't sharp. The pauses, choice of vocabulary ... she has not used certain phrases like that before." TJ thought she was talking in code. As TJ addressed the court, he was choking up.

[Edited 7/25/12 13:09pm]

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Reply #961 posted 07/25/12 1:10pm

kibbles

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What if, just what if, Katherine is at odds with TJ.

What if TJ is in cahoots with the executors to get THEIR hands on the estate.

What if, just what if, Katherine couldn't handle a rambuctious household, run amoke, by three teens and a lax co-guardian?

The reason I pose all these questions is because they are just as plausible as the opposed view, yet everyone is so eager to make the family out to be as evil as the nazis.

Tito dropping out just could've been him feeling all the negative publicity just isn't worth it. LaToya they might've felt held too much baggage to even involve.

i'm not sure what you mean by katherine being 'at odds' with tj means. in other words, why would that have a bearing on what's going on now? the judge made his decision based on the petition before him, tj's testimony and katherine's non-appearance. but i'm not sure what you mean by posing the question.

the executors already have their hands on the estate. they control it outright. no one else. tj's support or non-support is irrelevant. the two johns had michael jackson's support when he named them in his will, so everything else and everyone else's opinion is moot - unless and until they are shown unequivocally to have mismanaged the estate or performed some criminal act. as of yet, we have certain siblings' allegations, but no proof.

if katherine can't handle mj3 with a nanny and trent as a co-guardian, then she shouldn't have guardianship and the judge is doing the right thing in encouraging tj to apply for permanent custody.

i think the reason people are skeptical about the family is just the facts on the ground. you don't honestly believe that this was a good thing by jermaine and co., do you?

if janet - who everyone believes has money and therefore access to quality legal advice - really believed the executors were responsible for her mother's stress and mistreatment, why release a poorly written letter to a 3rd rate website? why not properly go before the court and have it handled there? they put that letter out for public consumption then get upset when paris confronts them publically about it? please!

if everything's good, why not have your mother in court today to speak on her own volition? don't they know how bad that looks?

there is no amount of negative publicity that would make tito drop out if one word of that letter were true. the execs have already publically called latoya out on her slanderous remarks, and don't think howard weitzman didn't follow up with a letter. she's on notice to keep her mouth shut about them or face legal action would be my guess as to why we haven't heard from her.

none of it makes sense, cynic, and if people believe the siblings are nazis, it's for things like tj's testimony which intimated that there is something very, very, very wrong with his grandmother.

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Reply #962 posted 07/25/12 1:13pm

Ottensen

CynicKill said:

What if, just what if, Katherine is at odds with TJ.

What if TJ is in cahoots with the executors to get THEIR hands on the estate.

What if, just what if, Katherine couldn't handle a rambuctious household, run amoke, by three teens and a lax co-guardian?

The reason I pose all these questions is because they are just as plausible as the opposed view, yet everyone is so eager to make the family out to be as evil as the nazis.

Tito dropping out just could've been him feeling all the negative publicity just isn't worth it. LaToya they might've felt held too much baggage to even involve.

Girl, as much as I love a good mystery love , I am so willing to entertain that option. But my instinct makes me back to:

Motive: okay it's clear, subjectively speaking it would be greed

Opportunity: I think it comes down to who has more weight, clout , and acceptance in the eyes of the public and that would be a sibling verses a niece or nephew to pull a palyce coup like this off. I mean, so you thionk the public at large would accept some random relative being the face of the Michael Jackson legacy before one of his siblings? The siblings are definitely at an advantage.

The Most to Gain: for me it would point directly to a sibling before one of the metaphorically lesser relative relations. The road paved before them is already an easier one.

But I hear you... and trust that what really throws a monkey wrench into my entire conjecture is where Janet fits in all this, right? Also, my objectivity can also be clouded from my intense distaste for how Jermaine pimps himself out here overseas on his brother's behalf with all his expenses paid gratis to lay up in countries for months at a time. Hell, at least Latoya will always have an actual product of her own to hawk no matter how corny it is. Yeah, okay, so I'm biased, let me go ahead and throw that out there lol

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Reply #963 posted 07/25/12 1:24pm

allsmutaside

Azz said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I'm not liking this Perry Sanders guy. Even tho he's Katherine's attorney he sounds like he's trying to downplay the actions of Randy and them and spin this as "Katherine just went to the spa for some R&R and this was all a big misunderstanding." But her other attorney Sandra Ribiera tells a different story and says that Katherine is being held against her will. I think Perry is a bit on the shady side too.


What judge is going to believe that Katherine was held against her will? Not everyone is as crazy as MJ fans.

One that matters!

Judge Beckloff suspended Katherine Jackson as custodian for Prince, Paris and Prince Michael II, known as Blanket, because she may be "prevented from acting as a guardian because of the acts of third parties."

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Reply #964 posted 07/25/12 1:31pm

Azz

allsmutaside said:

Azz said:


What judge is going to believe that Katherine was held against her will? Not everyone is as crazy as MJ fans.

One that matters!

Judge Beckloff suspended Katherine Jackson as custodian for Prince, Paris and Prince Michael II, known as Blanket, because she may be "prevented from acting as a guardian because of the acts of third parties."

Then why did the judge suggest TJ file for permanent custody?

[Edited 7/25/12 13:36pm]

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Reply #965 posted 07/25/12 1:36pm

allsmutaside

"I've never heard my grandmother talk like that." TJ added, "She wasn't sharp. The pauses, choice of vocabulary ... she has not used certain phrases like that before." TJ thought she was talking in code. As TJ addressed the court, he was choking up.

This sounds much more like a person who is over medicated, or who is inappropriately medicated, to me.

If you accept that Ms. Katherine sounded this way in a conversation with TJ, and have determined it to be indicative of a stroke, this exact same behavior would have been on display for hours and most likely days to Rebbie and the folks who were around her at the time of this call. If all of that was the case, Ms. Katherine has not been receiving vital medical treatment when she would clearly need it. And what you are suggesting is that Ms. Katherine's own children have been abusive and are neglecting the very core of their mother's very life. I do not accept that Rebbie would disregard her moter's health like that.

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Reply #966 posted 07/25/12 1:40pm

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allsmutaside said:

"I've never heard my grandmother talk like that." TJ added, "She wasn't sharp. The pauses, choice of vocabulary ... she has not used certain phrases like that before." TJ thought she was talking in code. As TJ addressed the court, he was choking up.

This sounds much more like a person who is over medicated, or who is inappropriately medicated, to me.

If you accept that Ms. Katherine sounded this way in a conversation with TJ, and have determined it to be indicative of a stroke, this exact same behavior would have been on display for hours and most likely days to Rebbie and the folks who were around her at the time of this call. If all of that was the case, Ms. Katherine has not been receiving vital medical treatment when she would clearly need it. And what you are suggesting is that Ms. Katherine's own children have been abusive and are neglecting the very core of their mother's very life. I do not accept that Rebbie would disregard her moter's health like that.

I agree with this. And seeing as how Katherine was being "examined" by Dr. Allan Metzger, she probably has been over medicated and given who knows what? disbelief sad.

EDIT UPDATE!!!! eek eek eek Unfortunately, my worst suspicions have been confirmed.

KATHERINE JACKSON
'DRUGGED' UP

EXCLUSIVE
0725_katherine-Jackson_home_Splash
Katherine Jackson
called her home in Calabasas at 2 AM today and again at 4 AM, sounding "drugged" and ordering that the security team be fired and replaced by Janet Jackson's security ... TMZ has learned.

A lawyer in court today made reference to "an incident" last night -- this is the incident. Sources involved in the situation tell TMZ ... people in the house were "alarmed and nervous" after hearing Katherine sounding heavily drugged.

In addition to attempting to 86 the security team, Katherine ordered Trent Jackson off the property. You may recall, Jackson's security -- and Trent in particular -- thwarted Monday's attempt by Randy, Jermaine and Janet to take the kids to Arizona.

Our sources say the prevailing view is that Randy and company have drugged their mom.

We're also told Jackie Jackson is furious at his conspiratorial siblings for what they've done and what they are trying to do.

We were unable to get Randy for comment. No comment yet from Katherine.

Certain people need to go to jail for this is all I'm saying!

[Edited 7/25/12 13:41pm]

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Reply #967 posted 07/25/12 1:43pm

musicology54

I know. Its sad .

NaughtyKitty said:



allsmutaside said:



"I've never heard my grandmother talk like that." TJ added, "She wasn't sharp. The pauses, choice of vocabulary ... she has not used certain phrases like that before." TJ thought she was talking in code. As TJ addressed the court, he was choking up.



This sounds much more like a person who is over medicated, or who is inappropriately medicated, to me.



If you accept that Ms. Katherine sounded this way in a conversation with TJ, and have determined it to be indicative of a stroke, this exact same behavior would have been on display for hours and most likely days to Rebbie and the folks who were around her at the time of this call. If all of that was the case, Ms. Katherine has not been receiving vital medical treatment when she would clearly need it. And what you are suggesting is that Ms. Katherine's own children have been abusive and are neglecting the very core of their mother's very life. I do not accept that Rebbie would disregard her moter's health like that.




I agree with this. And seeing as how Katherine was being "examined" by Dr. Allan Metzger, she probably has been over medicated and given who knows what? disbelief sad

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Reply #968 posted 07/25/12 1:45pm

Musicslave

NaughtyKitty said:

dag said:

Apparently, this judge thought Katherine was just getting rest from that spoiled brat Paris, that's why Katherine's guardianship got suspended. lol

The judge said Katherine was not suspended for wrongdoing, but that she was prevented from doing her guardianship duties by "intentional act from third parties."

nod Yep they fucked up disbelief I'm sure most saw this coming several miles away. Whatever their intentions were behind this impromptu vacation, it surely has backfired tremendously. Katherine is going to be livid that she temporarily lost sole custody of her grandchildren because of her own children. Now she's going to have to prove her competence in an effort to get them back.

I'd like to know who the genius was who thought preventing their mother from seeing or speaking to the children she's currently responsible for was a good idea. Not to mention Marlon ass crying on national television because he too (a grown ass man) don't have permission to speak to his Mommy. Fuckin ridiculous! They brought this particular circus upon themselves this time.

I guess nobody thought about how irresponsible and incompetent this will make Katherine look.

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Reply #969 posted 07/25/12 1:45pm

mjscarousal

NaughtyKitty said:

allsmutaside said:

"I've never heard my grandmother talk like that." TJ added, "She wasn't sharp. The pauses, choice of vocabulary ... she has not used certain phrases like that before." TJ thought she was talking in code. As TJ addressed the court, he was choking up.

This sounds much more like a person who is over medicated, or who is inappropriately medicated, to me.

If you accept that Ms. Katherine sounded this way in a conversation with TJ, and have determined it to be indicative of a stroke, this exact same behavior would have been on display for hours and most likely days to Rebbie and the folks who were around her at the time of this call. If all of that was the case, Ms. Katherine has not been receiving vital medical treatment when she would clearly need it. And what you are suggesting is that Ms. Katherine's own children have been abusive and are neglecting the very core of their mother's very life. I do not accept that Rebbie would disregard her moter's health like that.

I agree with this. And seeing as how Katherine was being "examined" by Dr. Allan Metzger, she probably has been over medicated and given who knows what? disbelief sad.

EDIT UPDATE!!!! eek eek eek Unfortunately, my worst suspicions have been confirmed.

KATHERINE JACKSON
'DRUGGED' UP

EXCLUSIVE
0725_katherine-Jackson_home_Splash
Katherine Jackson
called her home in Calabasas at 2 AM today and again at 4 AM, sounding "drugged" and ordering that the security team be fired and replaced by Janet Jackson's security ... TMZ has learned.

A lawyer in court today made reference to "an incident" last night -- this is the incident. Sources involved in the situation tell TMZ ... people in the house were "alarmed and nervous" after hearing Katherine sounding heavily drugged.

In addition to attempting to 86 the security team, Katherine ordered Trent Jackson off the property. You may recall, Jackson's security -- and Trent in particular -- thwarted Monday's attempt by Randy, Jermaine and Janet to take the kids to Arizona.

Our sources say the prevailing view is that Randy and company have drugged their mom.

We're also told Jackie Jackson is furious at his conspiratorial siblings for what they've done and what they are trying to do.

We were unable to get Randy for comment. No comment yet from Katherine.

Certain people need to go to jail for this is all I'm saying!

[Edited 7/25/12 13:41pm]

YUP! To be honest Naughty Kitty Katherine should not have been the guardian in the first place.... NONE of the shit the Jacksons have done to those children TJ would do in a million years.. Im happy he is their guardian and hopefully he comes their guardian permanetly

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Reply #970 posted 07/25/12 1:46pm

NaughtyKitty

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Judge to determine if Katherine Jackson was abducted

Katherine and Joe Jackson

Michael Jackson’s mother is on a plane headed back to Los Angeles from a stay in Arizona that has been variously characterized as a relaxing spa vacation and an attempted abduction.

An attorney for Katherine Jackson said her son Randy informed him by phone that the matriarch had boarded a flight Wednesday morning. Lawyer Perry R. Sanders Jr. said that he was eager to speak with the 82-year-old and prepare court filings to reverse a judge’s order earlier Wednesday transferring guardianship of Michael Jackson’s children to a cousin.

Sanders, Katherine Jackson’s lawyer, said outside court that after repeatedly trying to contact his client, he was told by Randy, Jermaine and Janet to fly to Tucson. He said he arrived by charter plane Tuesday night and was taken by some of the siblings to a remote spa, but he was not allowed to see his client. He said he spoke to Katherine Jackson’s assistant and an employee who told him phones were banned on the spa premises.

In granting T.J. Jackson temporary custody of the children, the judge stressed that Katherine Jackson had done nothing wrong and that he was acting out of concern about “the actions of third parties.”

He said the law required T.J. Jackson to file papers seeking permanent custody but said the process could be delayed if Katherine Jackson returned. A lawyer who represents the singer’s children said she had met with them recently and they supported the temporary guardianship.

Full story here: http://www.suntimes.com/e...anity.html



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Reply #971 posted 07/25/12 1:47pm

Azz

NaughtyKitty said:

allsmutaside said:

"I've never heard my grandmother talk like that." TJ added, "She wasn't sharp. The pauses, choice of vocabulary ... she has not used certain phrases like that before." TJ thought she was talking in code. As TJ addressed the court, he was choking up.

This sounds much more like a person who is over medicated, or who is inappropriately medicated, to me.

If you accept that Ms. Katherine sounded this way in a conversation with TJ, and have determined it to be indicative of a stroke, this exact same behavior would have been on display for hours and most likely days to Rebbie and the folks who were around her at the time of this call. If all of that was the case, Ms. Katherine has not been receiving vital medical treatment when she would clearly need it. And what you are suggesting is that Ms. Katherine's own children have been abusive and are neglecting the very core of their mother's very life. I do not accept that Rebbie would disregard her moter's health like that.

I agree with this. And seeing as how Katherine was being "examined" by Dr. Allan Metzger, she probably has been over medicated and given who knows what? disbelief sad.

EDIT UPDATE!!!! eek eek eek Unfortunately, my worst suspicions have been confirmed.

KATHERINE JACKSON
'DRUGGED' UP

EXCLUSIVE
0725_katherine-Jackson_home_Splash
Katherine Jackson
called her home in Calabasas at 2 AM today and again at 4 AM, sounding "drugged" and ordering that the security team be fired and replaced by Janet Jackson's security ... TMZ has learned.

A lawyer in court today made reference to "an incident" last night -- this is the incident. Sources involved in the situation tell TMZ ... people in the house were "alarmed and nervous" after hearing Katherine sounding heavily drugged.

In addition to attempting to 86 the security team, Katherine ordered Trent Jackson off the property. You may recall, Jackson's security -- and Trent in particular -- thwarted Monday's attempt by Randy, Jermaine and Janet to take the kids to Arizona.

Our sources say the prevailing view is that Randy and company have drugged their mom.

We're also told Jackie Jackson is furious at his conspiratorial siblings for what they've done and what they are trying to do.

We were unable to get Randy for comment. No comment yet from Katherine.

Certain people need to go to jail for this is all I'm saying!

[Edited 7/25/12 13:41pm]

This is not confirmation. This is media speculation.

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Reply #972 posted 07/25/12 1:47pm

CynicKill

kibbles said:

CynicKill said:

What if, just what if, Katherine is at odds with TJ.

What if TJ is in cahoots with the executors to get THEIR hands on the estate.

What if, just what if, Katherine couldn't handle a rambuctious household, run amoke, by three teens and a lax co-guardian?

The reason I pose all these questions is because they are just as plausible as the opposed view, yet everyone is so eager to make the family out to be as evil as the nazis.

Tito dropping out just could've been him feeling all the negative publicity just isn't worth it. LaToya they might've felt held too much baggage to even involve.

i'm not sure what you mean by katherine being 'at odds' with tj means. in other words, why would that have a bearing on what's going on now? the judge made his decision based on the petition before him, tj's testimony and katherine's non-appearance. but i'm not sure what you mean by posing the question.

the executors already have their hands on the estate. they control it outright. no one else. tj's support or non-support is irrelevant. the two johns had michael jackson's support when he named them in his will, so everything else and everyone else's opinion is moot - unless and until they are shown unequivocally to have mismanaged the estate or performed some criminal act. as of yet, we have certain siblings' allegations, but no proof.

if katherine can't handle mj3 with a nanny and trent as a co-guardian, then she shouldn't have guardianship and the judge is doing the right thing in encouraging tj to apply for permanent custody.

i think the reason people are skeptical about the family is just the facts on the ground. you don't honestly believe that this was a good thing by jermaine and co., do you?

if janet - who everyone believes has money and therefore access to quality legal advice - really believed the executors were responsible for her mother's stress and mistreatment, why release a poorly written letter to a 3rd rate website? why not properly go before the court and have it handled there? they put that letter out for public consumption then get upset when paris confronts them publically about it? please!

if everything's good, why not have your mother in court today to speak on her own volition? don't they know how bad that looks?

there is no amount of negative publicity that would make tito drop out if one word of that letter were true. the execs have already publically called latoya out on her slanderous remarks, and don't think howard weitzman didn't follow up with a letter. she's on notice to keep her mouth shut about them or face legal action would be my guess as to why we haven't heard from her.

none of it makes sense, cynic, and if people believe the siblings are nazis, it's for things like tj's testimony which intimated that there is something very, very, very wrong with his grandmother.

It would just put things in perspective.

It would explain why katherine would go along with any "coup" with the siblings.

My MAIN problem is that i can't keep up with the developments as they arise. But my theory isn't based on "fact". It's based on gut and me trying to read the situation by the actions of the participants.

I'm also well (rationally) removed emotionally from the goings-on. I'll leave all the hyperventilating to the Michael Jackson die-hards.

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Reply #973 posted 07/25/12 1:48pm

mjscarousal

Musicslave said:

NaughtyKitty said:

The judge said Katherine was not suspended for wrongdoing, but that she was prevented from doing her guardianship duties by "intentional act from third parties."

nod Yep they fucked up disbelief I'm sure most saw this coming several miles away. Whatever their intentions were behind this impromptu vacation, it surely has backfired tremendously. Katherine is going to be livid that she temporarily lost sole custody of her grandchildren because of her own children. Now she's going to have to prove her competence in an effort to get them back.

I'd like to know who the genius was who thought preventing their mother from seeing or speaking to the children she's currently responsible for was a good idea. Not to mention Marlon ass crying on national television because he too (a grown ass man) don't have permission to speak to his Mommy. Fuckin ridiculous! They brought this particular circus upon themselves this time.

I guess nobody thought about how irresponsible and incompetent this will make Katherine look.

Ask JANET, JERMAINE AND RANDY that confused

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Reply #974 posted 07/25/12 1:49pm

Azz

mjscarousal said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I agree with this. And seeing as how Katherine was being "examined" by Dr. Allan Metzger, she probably has been over medicated and given who knows what? disbelief sad.

EDIT UPDATE!!!! eek eek eek Unfortunately, my worst suspicions have been confirmed.

KATHERINE JACKSON
'DRUGGED' UP

EXCLUSIVE
0725_katherine-Jackson_home_Splash
Katherine Jackson
called her home in Calabasas at 2 AM today and again at 4 AM, sounding "drugged" and ordering that the security team be fired and replaced by Janet Jackson's security ... TMZ has learned.

A lawyer in court today made reference to "an incident" last night -- this is the incident. Sources involved in the situation tell TMZ ... people in the house were "alarmed and nervous" after hearing Katherine sounding heavily drugged.

In addition to attempting to 86 the security team, Katherine ordered Trent Jackson off the property. You may recall, Jackson's security -- and Trent in particular -- thwarted Monday's attempt by Randy, Jermaine and Janet to take the kids to Arizona.

Our sources say the prevailing view is that Randy and company have drugged their mom.

We're also told Jackie Jackson is furious at his conspiratorial siblings for what they've done and what they are trying to do.

We were unable to get Randy for comment. No comment yet from Katherine.

Certain people need to go to jail for this is all I'm saying!

[Edited 7/25/12 13:41pm]

YUP! To be honest Naughty Kitty Katherine should not have been the guardian in the first place.... NONE of the shit the Jacksons have done to those children TJ would do in a million years.. Im happy he is their guardian and hopefully he comes their guardian permanetly

I wonder how long it is before TJ is subject to the rath and self-righteousness behaviour of most of MJs' dispicable fanatics.



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Reply #975 posted 07/25/12 1:57pm

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There are some even more insane than the fanatics .... Guess who!.... Haters .... They are just as obsessed with the star, as fans, but their motives are absolutely destructive.
Usually haters cause only irony and pity ... lol
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I am pleased that TJ will raising children. Katherine is a very old to be able to take care of three children. neutral

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Reply #976 posted 07/25/12 1:57pm

musicology54

I assume you are going to blame mj fans for believing in this rumor

Azz said:



NaughtyKitty said:




allsmutaside said:



"I've never heard my grandmother talk like that." TJ added, "She wasn't sharp. The pauses, choice of vocabulary ... she has not used certain phrases like that before." TJ thought she was talking in code. As TJ addressed the court, he was choking up.



This sounds much more like a person who is over medicated, or who is inappropriately medicated, to me.



If you accept that Ms. Katherine sounded this way in a conversation with TJ, and have determined it to be indicative of a stroke, this exact same behavior would have been on display for hours and most likely days to Rebbie and the folks who were around her at the time of this call. If all of that was the case, Ms. Katherine has not been receiving vital medical treatment when she would clearly need it. And what you are suggesting is that Ms. Katherine's own children have been abusive and are neglecting the very core of their mother's very life. I do not accept that Rebbie would disregard her moter's health like that.




I agree with this. And seeing as how Katherine was being "examined" by Dr. Allan Metzger, she probably has been over medicated and given who knows what? disbelief sad.



EDIT UPDATE!!!! eek eek eek Unfortunately, my worst suspicions have been confirmed.



KATHERINE JACKSON
'DRUGGED' UP



EXCLUSIVE

0725_katherine-Jackson_home_Splash
Katherine Jackson
called her home in Calabasas at 2 AM today and again at 4 AM, sounding "drugged" and ordering that the security team be fired and replaced by Janet Jackson's security ... TMZ has learned.

A lawyer in court today made reference to "an incident" last night -- this is the incident. Sources involved in the situation tell TMZ ... people in the house were "alarmed and nervous" after hearing Katherine sounding heavily drugged.

In addition to attempting to 86 the security team, Katherine ordered Trent Jackson off the property. You may recall, Jackson's security -- and Trent in particular -- thwarted Monday's attempt by Randy, Jermaine and Janet to take the kids to Arizona.

Our sources say the prevailing view is that Randy and company have drugged their mom.

We're also told Jackie Jackson is furious at his conspiratorial siblings for what they've done and what they are trying to do.

We were unable to get Randy for comment. No comment yet from Katherine.




Certain people need to go to jail for this is all I'm saying!


[Edited 7/25/12 13:41pm]




This is not confirmation. This is media speculation.

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Reply #977 posted 07/25/12 1:58pm

DawnD

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

YUP! To be honest Naughty Kitty Katherine should not have been the guardian in the first place.... NONE of the shit the Jacksons have done to those children TJ would do in a million years.. Im happy he is their guardian and hopefully he comes their guardian permanetly

I wonder how long it is before TJ is subject to the rath and self-righteousness behaviour of most of MJs' dispicable fanatics.



Do any of us have to resort to disrespecting their mother, whether we like them or not. I mean, for real?! And, i wholeheartedly agree with the above statement. I'm just waiting for the venom to be sprewed out on TJ too. I believe it's coming.

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Reply #978 posted 07/25/12 2:02pm

dag

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Azz said:

allsmutaside said:

One that matters!

Judge Beckloff suspended Katherine Jackson as custodian for Prince, Paris and Prince Michael II, known as Blanket, because she may be "prevented from acting as a guardian because of the acts of third parties."

Then why did the judge suggest TJ file for permanent custody?

[Edited 7/25/12 13:36pm]

Because it's obviusly more serious than her just having rest and who else should get the custody? Frankly, there aren't that many options and TJ has always been on the kids' side even at times when his father was still with Jermaine, Randy and others, so hopefully he means well and we all also pray for that. The kids know him and love him, so what? At this time, I can't personally see a better option.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #979 posted 07/25/12 2:04pm

Azz

DawnD said:

Azz said:

I wonder how long it is before TJ is subject to the rath and self-righteousness behaviour of most of MJs' dispicable fanatics.



Do any of us have to resort to disrespecting their mother, whether we like them or not. I mean, for real?! And, i wholeheartedly agree with the above statement. I'm just waiting for the venom to be sprewed out on TJ too. I believe it's coming.

Exactly. They have severly disrespected, rigorously interrogated, and without thought, casually condemned an 82 year old woman.


Its shameful.

[Edited 7/25/12 14:04pm]

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Reply #980 posted 07/25/12 2:05pm

dag

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Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

YUP! To be honest Naughty Kitty Katherine should not have been the guardian in the first place.... NONE of the shit the Jacksons have done to those children TJ would do in a million years.. Im happy he is their guardian and hopefully he comes their guardian permanetly

I wonder how long it is before TJ is subject to the rath and self-righteousness behaviour of most of MJs' dispicable fanatics.



And BTW, since you were so vocal about someone daring to be disrespectful, you too have not shown much respect for people calling fans fanatics most of the time. Respect is respect no matter who you are talking to.

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #981 posted 07/25/12 2:07pm

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dag said:

Azz said:

Then why did the judge suggest TJ file for permanent custody?

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Because it's obviusly more serious than her just having rest and who else should get the custody? Frankly, there aren't that many options and TJ has always been on the kids' side even at times when his father was still with Jermaine, Randy and others, so hopefully he means well and we all also pray for that. The kids know him and love him, so what? At this time, I can't personally see a better option.

If she has been held against her will, it will be adressed, and therefore without doubt would be an isolated event. As a result, there would be no reason to suggest TJ aquire permanent custody.

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Reply #982 posted 07/25/12 2:09pm

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dag said:

Azz said:

I wonder how long it is before TJ is subject to the rath and self-righteousness behaviour of most of MJs' dispicable fanatics.



And BTW, since you were so vocal about someone daring to be disrespectful, you too have not shown much respect for people calling fans fanatics most of the time. Respect is respect no matter who you are talking to.

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I agree

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Reply #983 posted 07/25/12 2:10pm

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mjscarousal said:

YUP! To be honest Naughty Kitty Katherine should not have been the guardian in the first place.... NONE of the shit the Jacksons have done to those children TJ would do in a million years.. Im happy he is their guardian and hopefully he comes their guardian permanetly

hmph! She did a fine job for quite some time. Lets not throw the baby out just because someone threw a pail of soiled diapers in with the bath water. biggrin

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Reply #984 posted 07/25/12 2:10pm

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DawnD said:

Azz said:

I wonder how long it is before TJ is subject to the rath and self-righteousness behaviour of most of MJs' dispicable fanatics.



Do any of us have to resort to disrespecting their mother, whether we like them or not. I mean, for real?! And, i wholeheartedly agree with the above statement. I'm just waiting for the venom to be sprewed out on TJ too. I believe it's coming.

It's not everyone in here. I've given Mrs. Jackson the benefit of the doubt this entire time, and I'm going to continue to do that. Other than Blanket, I've been thinking of her more than any of them (matter of fact I don't even care about the rest at all), as just the wrong amount of stress could make this drama end with another stupid tragedy. neutral

"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD
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Reply #985 posted 07/25/12 2:10pm

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dag said:

Because it's obviusly more serious than her just having rest and who else should get the custody? Frankly, there aren't that many options and TJ has always been on the kids' side even at times when his father was still with Jermaine, Randy and others, so hopefully he means well and we all also pray for that. The kids know him and love him, so what? At this time, I can't personally see a better option.

If she has been held against her will, it will be adressed, and therefore without doubt would be an isolated event. As a result, there would be no reason to suggest TJ aquire permanent custody.

There wouldn't, but maybe the judge knows something we haven't learned about yet. I can't comment on that. I wasn't in the courtroom today.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #986 posted 07/25/12 2:11pm

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dag said:

Azz said:

I wonder how long it is before TJ is subject to the rath and self-righteousness behaviour of most of MJs' dispicable fanatics.



And BTW, since you were so vocal about someone daring to be disrespectful, you too have not shown much respect for people calling fans fanatics most of the time. Respect is respect no matter who you are talking to.

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I don't respect members of a group (I now extend this to the entire group), who disrespect an elderly woman without grounds nor reason.

If this means I am not respected by you, I could not care less, for atleast I have a reason for my expression of disrespect.

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Reply #987 posted 07/25/12 2:23pm

Unholyalliance

Thanks for answering some of questions earlier. Now, I have another one. I had thought about it before, but couldn't remember until I saw some of the recently posted articles.

I know that the motivation is money, but do you think that they decided to do this now, simply because of the reports that MJ's estate is worth $1 billion? Or is it because the siblings may know that Katherine could be dying? If she were to die who would the kids go to? TJ?

All in all, I feel really sorry for these kids. Having to get caught up in family drama is not fun for anyone, but all of them are too young to try and escape it. Well...they could, but I have no doubt someone would be quick to snatch them up and demand a pretty hefty ransom for any one of them.

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Reply #988 posted 07/25/12 2:23pm

Timmy84

Ah guess who decides to show up now:

Joe Jackson
Returns to L.A. --
Don't Forget About Me!

Because no Jackson family drama is complete without Papa Joe ... Katherine's estranged husband has finally come to town ... and moments ago, he arrived to the family's famous home in Encino, CA.

It's the first time we've seen Joe Jackson since Katherine was reported missing over the weekend.

Joe -- who spends most of his time in Vegas and rarely comes to L.A. -- pulled up at the Jackson compound roughly 30 minutes ago in a black Mercedes with Nevada plates, wearing his trademark fedora. We're told he checked the mail and disappeared into the home.

Katherine is currently on her way back to L.A.

No word on how long Joe plans to stay in town ... or if he plans to meet up with the family to try and end the drama.

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Reply #989 posted 07/25/12 2:26pm

Azz

Unholyalliance said:

Thanks for answering some of questions earlier. Now, I have another one. I had thought about it before, but couldn't remember until I saw some of the recently posted articles.

I know that the motivation is money, but do you think that they decided to do this now, simply because of the reports that MJ's estate is worth $1 billion? Or is it because the siblings may know that Katherine could be dying? If she were to die who would the kids go to? TJ?

All in all, I feel really sorry for these kids. Having to get caught up in family drama is not fun for anyone, but all of them are too young to try and escape it. Well...they could, but I have no doubt someone would be quick to snatch them up and demand a pretty hefty ransom for any one of them.

Someone let their imagination run ahead of them.

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