bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Yeeeah, that didn't work as well as I thought it would. Weeknds vocals are too low on the mix and MJ's vocals overpower everything on the record (as his vocals did on everything he touched ) I think the records are better separate.

Or Michael's vocals over The Weeknd's music, that could've worked too

Listened to Weeknd's track, it kinda shows how limited his vocal range, his voice giving out during "Because he's sleeping with me" line was not a good look. He totally had a Barry Gibb moment

Yep people really underestimate mike's vocals....mike was a tenor but eh could really hit insane notes so easily well above High C whereas most tenors actually struggle with High C....dirty diana has high C's constantly and a few High D's without breaking into falsetto...I don't think many singers can sing dirty diana in the same key without breaking into falsetto or....as yall said sound like barry "selfnutgrabber" gibb

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Can someone explain to me why several fans put the blame on John McClain when it comes to how "Michael" turned out, saying he ruined the songs AND This Is It?

I'm a bit confused because looking at the credits, McClain worked on 2 tracks on Michael and in my opinion, they were the best choices aside from Neff U doing 'Best Of Joy" and I don't think he ruined This Is It. All he did was add the Jackson brothers and added a string arrangement

What exactly did he ruin or do ya'll just think fans are just misguided and look for ways to blame somebody?

bboy87 said:

Can someone explain to me why several fans put the blame on John McClain when it comes to how "Michael" turned out, saying he ruined the songs AND This Is It?

I'm a bit confused because looking at the credits, McClain worked on 2 tracks on Michael and in my opinion, they were the best choices aside from Neff U doing 'Best Of Joy" and I don't think he ruined This Is It. All he did was add the Jackson brothers and added a string arrangement

What exactly did he ruin or do ya'll just think fans are just misguided and look for ways to blame somebody?

I'll take misguided fans for $200 Alex.

bboy87 said:

Can someone explain to me why several fans put the blame on John McClain when it comes to how "Michael" turned out, saying he ruined the songs AND This Is It?

I'm a bit confused because looking at the credits, McClain worked on 2 tracks on Michael and in my opinion, they were the best choices aside from Neff U doing 'Best Of Joy" and I don't think he ruined This Is It. All he did was add the Jackson brothers and added a string arrangement

What exactly did he ruin or do ya'll just think fans are just misguided and look for ways to blame somebody?

I dig McClain. He did good work so far.

mjscarousal said:

bboy87 said:

Can someone explain to me why several fans put the blame on John McClain when it comes to how "Michael" turned out, saying he ruined the songs AND This Is It?

I'm a bit confused because looking at the credits, McClain worked on 2 tracks on Michael and in my opinion, they were the best choices aside from Neff U doing 'Best Of Joy" and I don't think he ruined This Is It. All he did was add the Jackson brothers and added a string arrangement

What exactly did he ruin or do ya'll just think fans are just misguided and look for ways to blame somebody?

Not sure about those fans but I can give you my reasons for Michael:

1.) Why not just release BTM untouched? And if you had to "update" it, you can't let us hear the original?

2.) Why could you not secure the Will.I.Am tracks?

3.) How do you allow the Cascio tracks.

I don't know much about McClain because the guy is never seen or heard from.

Derek1984 said:

bboy87 said:

Can someone explain to me why several fans put the blame on John McClain when it comes to how "Michael" turned out, saying he ruined the songs AND This Is It?

I'm a bit confused because looking at the credits, McClain worked on 2 tracks on Michael and in my opinion, they were the best choices aside from Neff U doing 'Best Of Joy" and I don't think he ruined This Is It. All he did was add the Jackson brothers and added a string arrangement

What exactly did he ruin or do ya'll just think fans are just misguided and look for ways to blame somebody?

Not sure about those fans but I can give you my reasons for Michael:

1.) Why not just release BTM untouched? And if you had to "update" it, you can't let us hear the original?

2.) Why could you not secure the Will.I.Am tracks?

3.) How do you allow the Cascio tracks.

I don't know much about McClain because the guy is never seen or heard from.

1. They had to give it an "up to date" sound. It's not always about us (true die hard MJ fans) when it comes to these records. I'm certain the original mix sounds similar, if not, the EXACT same as Greg Philliganes version.

2. Will.i.am didn't want to give up the records. Even though MJ had the vocals, Will.i.am kept the music and I'm guessing Sony didn't want to spend more money on another producer revamping the record.

3. I'm guessing Cascio's contacted Sony claiming to have some of the last records MJ "recorded" but that's just what I think.

Derek1984 said:

bboy87 said:

Can someone explain to me why several fans put the blame on John McClain when it comes to how "Michael" turned out, saying he ruined the songs AND This Is It?

I'm a bit confused because looking at the credits, McClain worked on 2 tracks on Michael and in my opinion, they were the best choices aside from Neff U doing 'Best Of Joy" and I don't think he ruined This Is It. All he did was add the Jackson brothers and added a string arrangement

What exactly did he ruin or do ya'll just think fans are just misguided and look for ways to blame somebody?

Not sure about those fans but I can give you my reasons for Michael:

1.) Why not just release BTM untouched? And if you had to "update" it, you can't let us hear the original?

2.) Why could you not secure the Will.I.Am tracks?

3.) How do you allow the Cascio tracks.

I don't know much about McClain because the guy is never seen or heard from.

McClain is well known name in the industry. He's known the Jacksons since they were kids, helped Janet get her first record deal (second if you count her unreleased recordings on Joe's label), co-founded Interscope records and helped Dr Dre and Suge Knight launch Death Row Records

1. It's something I was wondering too, but I expected it since that's what labels always do with unreleased songs by artists

2. Will.I.Am has those songs with a vice grip. He's the one who has ownership although the estate might to BUT since he was the producer, he has a say in releasing it. If he says no, they can't do anything

3. McClain didn't want the songs on the album, but other folks outvoted him. He was with Jackie and 3T and knew those songs weren't Michael. Teddy Riley flat out put him on blast when the whole Cascio thing happened, which was kinda bitchy of Teddy imo

bboy87 said:

conspire away!

Classic backwards masking suggestions - if the words didn't appear on screen you wouldn't hear them, but since they do you read along with it and "hear" the words.

Dismissed.

A lot of fans are hating on McClain because they need someone to blame because the album didn't blow up to be the worldwide smash they think it should be.

I do know that McClain had a system in place to hand out the tracks that needed finishing to a few producers and see who came back with the best finished track. Teddy Riley publicly stated that McClain was pissed with him because songs he got to work on went head to head with tracks McClain (or a McClain sanctioned producer) also worked on, and Riley's tracks won.

That situation though doesn't add up to fans hating on McClain though - as it was the Riley tracks that made the cut on the album.

Personally I think, all things considered, the estate have done a decent to good job in running things - getting the business back on track and profitible, and resisting the temptation to flood the market with rereleases or cash grabbing schemes.

Swa said:

bboy87 said:

conspire away!

Classic backwards masking suggestions - if the words didn't appear on screen you wouldn't hear them, but since they do you read along with it and "hear" the words.

Dismissed.

Agreed.

I'm starting to like stranger in moscow alot. One of MJ best songs.

Anyways what the hell is MJ kids doing on twitter. Jacksons are not even watching these kids.

I finally read half of the Frank Cascio book and it makes me love Michael even more, though I already did anyways. It really does give an insight into who he was, and MJ fans may not agree with me , but I don't feel the book was bad or that Frank 'stopped being his friend'. I think he's hurt and with his attachment to MJ and the bond, it's understandable why. I'm still dealing with it and dude doesn't even know me.

alphastreet said:

I finally read half of the Frank Cascio book and it makes me love Michael even more, though I already did anyways. It really does give an insight into who he was, and MJ fans may not agree with me , but I don't feel the book was bad or that Frank 'stopped being his friend'. I think he's hurt and with his attachment to MJ and the bond, it's understandable why. I'm still dealing with it and dude doesn't even know me.

It's being discussed on KOP and MJJC.....People are skeptical about several things he's said in the book

not to mention we finally know who was one of Roger Friedman's sources

bboy87 said:

alphastreet said:

I finally read half of the Frank Cascio book and it makes me love Michael even more, though I already did anyways. It really does give an insight into who he was, and MJ fans may not agree with me , but I don't feel the book was bad or that Frank 'stopped being his friend'. I think he's hurt and with his attachment to MJ and the bond, it's understandable why. I'm still dealing with it and dude doesn't even know me.

It's being discussed on KOP and MJJC.....People are skeptical about several things he's said in the book

not to mention we finally know who was one of Roger Friedman's sources

I knew something was fishy about that family...

Swa said:

A lot of fans are hating on McClain because they need someone to blame because the album didn't blow up to be the worldwide smash they think it should be.

I do know that McClain had a system in place to hand out the tracks that needed finishing to a few producers and see who came back with the best finished track. Teddy Riley publicly stated that McClain was pissed with him because songs he got to work on went head to head with tracks McClain (or a McClain sanctioned producer) also worked on, and Riley's tracks won.

That situation though doesn't add up to fans hating on McClain though - as it was the Riley tracks that made the cut on the album.

Personally I think, all things considered, the estate have done a decent to good job in running things - getting the business back on track and profitible, and resisting the temptation to flood the market with rereleases or cash grabbing schemes.

That's the point I tend to make when someone tries to pin blame on McClain, but then they ignore me and keep blaming

So Frank was going to Roger?

alphastreet said:

So Frank was going to Roger?

"Brad what ya gonna do...what ya gonna do!"

Ok I just got to that part. He thought he was helping him and trying to take too many things onto his hands, as he was doing earlier anyways like when he invited Court and Derek to the ranch to resolve the lawsuit. But Vinny went to Roger more and Frank was upset about that. I really feel for MJ in all this.....but Frank is not the devil, just kind of naive at times.

alphastreet said:

Ok I just got to that part. He thought he was helping him and trying to take too many things onto his hands, as he was doing earlier anyways like when he invited Court and Derek to the ranch to resolve the lawsuit. But Vinny went to Roger more and Frank was upset about that. I really feel for MJ in all this.....but Frank is not the devil, just kind of naive at times.

or a distrustful leech like the rest of them......

he's taking the blame off of himself. He had no place going to Friedman or getting involved in Michael's business

He and his brother are shady

You sound just like MJ, give it a rest and I'm not referring to tracks

Speaking of him, I just finished the whole thing in tears :*( God, I miss him....

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alphastreet said:

You sound just like MJ, give it a rest and I'm not referring to tracks

Speaking of him, I just finished the whole thing in tears :*( God, I miss him....

[Edited 12/31/11 4:28am]

bboy87 said:

Can someone explain to me why several fans put the blame on John McClain when it comes to how "Michael" turned out, saying he ruined the songs AND This Is It?

I'm a bit confused because looking at the credits, McClain worked on 2 tracks on Michael and in my opinion, they were the best choices aside from Neff U doing 'Best Of Joy" and I don't think he ruined This Is It. All he did was add the Jackson brothers and added a string arrangement

What exactly did he ruin or do ya'll just think fans are just misguided and look for ways to blame somebody?

He has the power to not let those fake tracks be on a Michael jackson album , enough said!

seeingvoices12 said:

bboy87 said:

Can someone explain to me why several fans put the blame on John McClain when it comes to how "Michael" turned out, saying he ruined the songs AND This Is It?

I'm a bit confused because looking at the credits, McClain worked on 2 tracks on Michael and in my opinion, they were the best choices aside from Neff U doing 'Best Of Joy" and I don't think he ruined This Is It. All he did was add the Jackson brothers and added a string arrangement

What exactly did he ruin or do ya'll just think fans are just misguided and look for ways to blame somebody?

He has the power to not let those fake tracks be on a Michael jackson album , enough said!

Unfortunately that may not be the case. Jackie Jackson had said that both he and McClain had been trying very hard to get the Cascio tracks removed.

bboy87 said:

alphastreet said:

I finally read half of the Frank Cascio book and it makes me love Michael even more, though I already did anyways. It really does give an insight into who he was, and MJ fans may not agree with me , but I don't feel the book was bad or that Frank 'stopped being his friend'. I think he's hurt and with his attachment to MJ and the bond, it's understandable why. I'm still dealing with it and dude doesn't even know me.

It's being discussed on KOP and MJJC.....People are skeptical about several things he's said in the book

not to mention we finally know who was one of Roger Friedman's sources

I haven't read the book yet. What did he tell Roger?

bboy87 said:

alphastreet said:

Ok I just got to that part. He thought he was helping him and trying to take too many things onto his hands, as he was doing earlier anyways like when he invited Court and Derek to the ranch to resolve the lawsuit. But Vinny went to Roger more and Frank was upset about that. I really feel for MJ in all this.....but Frank is not the devil, just kind of naive at times.

or a distrustful leech like the rest of them......

he's taking the blame off of himself. He had no place going to Friedman or getting involved in Michael's business

He and his brother are shady

exactly. that's not being 'naive'. i remember when mj made a stink about something friedman was reporting and i believe sony eventually issued a statement disavowing it. if frank was around mj, he would have known how much this upset him, so how could he continue to slip gossip to friedman for years after that? he wasn't being naive, he was being a false friend. he's shady, and now that he's 'shot his wad' with this book, hopefully he'll fade away. the jacksons aren't going to allow him into their realm anymore, alpha is in the minority of mj fans who finds his book 'enlightening' which means no massive sales for him, so his and his family's connection to mj is over. good riddance.

alphastreet said:

You sound just like MJ, give it a rest and I'm not referring to tracks

Speaking of him, I just finished the whole thing in tears :*( God, I miss him....

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kibbles said:

bboy87 said:

or a distrustful leech like the rest of them......

he's taking the blame off of himself. He had no place going to Friedman or getting involved in Michael's business

He and his brother are shady

exactly. that's not being 'naive'. i remember when mj made a stink about something friedman was reporting and i believe sony eventually issued a statement disavowing it. if frank was around mj, he would have known how much this upset him, so how could he continue to slip gossip to friedman for years after that? he wasn't being naive, he was being a false friend. he's shady, and now that he's 'shot his wad' with this book, hopefully he'll fade away. the jacksons aren't going to allow him into their realm anymore, alpha is in the minority of mj fans who finds his book 'enlightening' which means no massive sales for him, so his and his family's connection to mj is over. good riddance.

Y'all both right. Naive my hairy ass. Take that somewhere else. I dare anyone to say "I sound like MJ" because I think Frank was as much of a leech as Roger Friedchickenlegs. Fuck outta here.

I didn't know Michael was burned TWICE during the 1984 Pepsi commercial.