Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Freedom

2. Peace

3. YHWH's spirit/The Holy Spirit

You go to my cousin's church?

No. And I've never seen you cousin neither.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

You go to my cousin's church?

No. And I've never seen you cousin neither.

He's a Pentecostal preacher from Jersey and he always says YHWH...

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

No. And I've never seen you cousin neither.

He's a Pentecostal preacher from Jersey and he always says YHWH...

I'll save my bitching about the wrongs of Pentecostals for P&R!

bboy87 said:

Murray got convicted on my birthday

Happy Birthday!

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

He's a Pentecostal preacher from Jersey and he always says YHWH...

I'll save my bitching about the wrongs of Pentecostals for P&R!

lol good.

babybugz said:

This black man on HLN is saying he can’t celebrate another black man going to jail. Smh why must my people play the race card with everything? This man was not doing his duty as a doctor I don’t care what color he was.

I don't think that is "the race card". The race card would have been if he said something like "Dr. Murray is being convicted because he is black." That is not what he said or meant. I think what he meant is he didn't like seeing the conviction of another black man. In light of the high number of black men being sent to jail in America I think that his is an appropriate response.

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^ I got that memo 20 years ago but thanks.

Nancy Grace

“I’ve been talking about Michael Jackson since he was charged with child molestation. I made it very clear what I thought after I read the autopsy report and all the state’s and defense’s evidence,” she told reporters. “So yes, of course, I would have liked to have weighed in on the verdict. But I’ve weighed in on what I thought the verdict would be, including what would it be and when it would come in. And luckily, I was two for two.

“I think the whole charging decision was wrong,” she continued. “He should’ve been charged with murder one with propofol as the deadly weapon and he should be doing life behind bars.” Instead, the Houston cardiologist faces a

sentence of up to four years in prison."

“When he gets out, I got news for him. God's gonna get him,” Grace said. “He’s gonna be mis-er-able. He can run but he can’t hide. Hey! He and Casey Anthony can have a tea party in four years.”

http://insidetv.ew.com/20...the-stars/

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Get ready for Conrad's book "The Conviction of an Innocent Man"

musicjunky318 said:

Nancy Grace

“I’ve been talking about Michael Jackson since he was charged with child molestation. I made it very clear what I thought after I read the autopsy report and all the state’s and defense’s evidence,” she told reporters. “So yes, of course, I would have liked to have weighed in on the verdict. But I’ve weighed in on what I thought the verdict would be, including what would it be and when it would come in. And luckily, I was two for two.

“I think the whole charging decision was wrong,” she continued. “He should’ve been charged with murder one with propofol as the deadly weapon and he should be doing life behind bars.” Instead, the Houston cardiologist faces a

sentence of up to four years in prison."

“When he gets out, I got news for him. God's gonna get him,” Grace said. “He’s gonna be mis-er-able. He can run but he can’t hide. Hey! He and Casey Anthony can have a tea party in four years.”

http://insidetv.ew.com/20...the-stars/

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No one with their head in reality gives a fuck what Nancy Grace thinks bout anything.

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lazycrockett said:

musicjunky318 said:

Nancy Grace

http://insidetv.ew.com/20...the-stars/

[Edited 11/7/11 22:15pm]

No one with their head in reality gives a fuck what Nancy Grace thinks bout anything.

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Sure don't.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Get ready for Conrad's book "The Conviction of an Innocent Man"

Nah it'll be titled "If I REALLY Killed MJ (This Is How I Will Do It)" then a few months later, he ends up robbing a jewelry store and gets sentenced to 15 years to life lol

lazycrockett said:

musicjunky318 said:

Nancy Grace

http://insidetv.ew.com/20...the-stars/

[Edited 11/7/11 22:15pm]

No one with their head in reality gives a fuck what Nancy Grace thinks bout anything.

[Edited 11/7/11 22:44pm]

Why do you think I call her Nancy (Dis)Grace!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

musicjunky318 said:

Oh here we goooooooo againnn.

And it will happen into eternity until Michael Jackson's fans admit the fucking truth. Most fans would have killed Michael too because, put in the position of Conrad Murray, they wouldn't have been able to utter the word "no" to their God. Michael killed himself. He just happened to hire someone to do it for him.

Supa Pops, I don't even think Joan of Arc would keep up with this crusade. Even the usual levelheaded and rational orgers have handed in their certificates of sanity for the chance to swim in the pool of gutter cultural consensus.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

musicjunky318 said:

No no no I was referring to blaming everything on his father.

Oh

Well it started there. Michael was a 50 year old man, old enough to rip the grip of his father from his consciousness. I understand why it didn't happen. Many never losen that grip but Joe got the ball rollin, Michael kept it going. It's easy to be the victim. I spent 39 of my 41 years that way. I get how easy it is to not realize. But we all have choices and Michael orchestrated the life he wanted; mostly because he had the money to give him that power. I am totally saddened by his death and wish peace for every one of his fans and for all involved. He is in a better place and not affected by all this mess we are all discussing <3

If there's anything that led Michael down the wrong path, it was the Pepsi commercial that he got a taste for painkillers, and a level of fame that he had a love hate relationship with. Michael's perfectionism came partly from his father. He wasn't all that shy as a kid, but puberty seemed to make him withdrawn.

I don't see what Conrad Murray was doing any different than what Dr Nick did to Elvis.

I think if Michael hadn't spent as much as he did, he prob. would've done a small series of shows like the Cream reunion. But I guess once the money came in and Prince's residency was brought up ,he just blindly agreed to the 50 shows. He could've just as easily done it in Vegas, but my guess is that he picked England b/c he'd make more money.

But once you have kids, you can't blame your father anymore. I'm pretty sure Michael and Joseph came to terms sometime in the 80s. I think he got to understand where his dad was coming from better than he did growing up, that might have been part of why he went back to Gary to visit with his kids.

My take - even if he fired Murray, it's possible another doctor would've administered a fatal dose.

Timmy84 said:

lazycrockett said:

No one with their head in reality gives a fuck what Nancy Grace thinks bout anything.

Sure don't.

She has a point: the DA's office got a conviction and they revoked Murray's medical license, but the guy will walk out of jail very, very soon. 4 years (or less) behind bars ain't nothing.

Thanks Suga. No, I didn't know about the FBI files and these other details. But I had heave heard about enough coincidences to make me a strong 'believer' (if that's how they call it): a good part of me (at least 2/3) believes that the whole thing was set up, including MJ's death.

So here goes...

Now if this is all true, of course then it's different. But still, these coincidences suggest there is something fishy going on... and much more than meets the eye.

suga10 said:

Flo, there's a lot of weird coincidences and similarities going on in terms of the dates of Conrad's trial, Elvis's Trial, and Michael's life.

Did you also that when those FBI files were released of Michael back in December 2009, it was released on the same day when Michael declared that he was innocent on that video back in 1993?

And the fact that Arnold Klein is speaking out and kissing up to Michael's rear end a lot as of late and doing some serious backtracking on the previous statements he's said in the past. Why would this man be making links to the hoax forums in his tweets. I think he knows something.

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DonRants said:

babybugz said:

This black man on HLN is saying he can’t celebrate another black man going to jail. Smh why must my people play the race card with everything? This man was not doing his duty as a doctor I don’t care what color he was.

I don't think that is "the race card". The race card would have been if he said something like "Dr. Murray is being convicted because he is black." That is not what he said or meant. I think what he meant is he didn't like seeing the conviction of another black man. In light of the high number of black men being sent to jail in America I think that his is an appropriate response.

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Thank you. I wish more people actually knew what this term meant. It is severely misused constantly.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Alright...at the urging of another fan, I have come in briefly to say this.

Michael did not and COULD not inject himself with Propofol. As you all saw the trial, I don't have to explain to you how or why.

But as a student pharmacist, I should tell you that it wouldn't surprise me if Michael did ask for Propofol from Murray. Propofol is not a dependency-inducing drug (yes, it is abused sometimes by other health care professionals; but never outside of a hospital setting. Complex neuromolecular physiology aside, it does not cause dependency like heroin). Normal treamment for insomnia is usually a prescription for benzodiazipines, which CAN AND WILL cause dependency. Michael I'm sure, knew this and didn't want to have a dependency problem, with 50 shows coming up that he had to perform.

I am NOT condoning Michael's decisions...BUT it is ultimately Murray who is the one responsible for Michael's death. Murray is the physician. There are different ways to treat insomnia that do not include benzo's or hospital grade anesthetics he's not qualified to handle or administer. Michael's chronic insomnia is not uncommon. 15% of people in US suffer from insomnia. Yet...they are not written prescriptions for PROPOFOL as treatment in their own homes.

Murray acted in an unethical and criminally negligent way. He not only put Michael's life at risk every night, he failed to save his life and make the call at the appropriate time. He got what he deserved.

And for all you nay sayers out there, trying to throw shade on a dead man. Quite simply, fuck you. Whether you liked Michael or not, a human being is gone because of the criminally negligent acts of another. Whether Michael was an addict or not (records show that he was NOT in fact an addict at the time of his death), HIS LIFE WAS STILL WORTH SAVING. This is why addicts do not come forward to get help. I strongly encourage anyone on here who knows anyone battling addiction, to encourage them to come forward and seek treatment. Stop the stigma.

It starts with you. Show your compassion. Show you care.

Thank you. The coroner and other medical professionals have provided evidence and testimony that Michael Jackson was not a drug addict. Yet people who claim to have been following this all along seem completely oblivious to this! It's obvious that their main sources of information are tabloid papers, websites and tv shows and they don't in fact understand what is going on. I've even heard people calling Propofol a narcotic as they repeat the lies about MJ being addicted to it.

Murray has been found guilty, but the masterminds are controlling the estate and laughing all the way to the bank - while fans repeat tabloid BS and moan about future albums that aren't sophisticated enough for their discerning tastes. That's because the people putting out the new albums don't care about MJ's legacy, they care about lining their pockets!!

Timmy84 said:

^ I got that memo 20 years ago but thanks.

That's funny because the term was coined during the OJ trial and that was not 20 years ago. Plus you are one of the ones who misuses the term.

[real talk]

I love MJ to death, but I honestly think he did accidentally killed himself......

AnaisKarim said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I got that memo 20 years ago but thanks.

That's funny because the term was coined during the OJ trial and that was not 20 years ago. Plus you are one of the ones who misuses the term.

It started way before OJ... besides wasn't like Murray was INNOCENT. But whatever if that's how you feel, cool. More power to you.

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kibbles said:

If you listened to her testimony then that proves that you were knowingly lying when you claimed Michael first sought a homeopathic cure for his insomnia from Nurse Lee. I notice your reply didn't deal with that issue because you know that I busted you fair and square. So you resort to deluded personal attacks. You are coming across as a very dishonest and unbalanced person.

That last post was a little unfinished business from the locked thread. I hate liars.

Anyway, I saw the verdict and I'm pleased that justice was done. It was very sad though - the whole situation. There are no winners in this, only losers.

One man is dead and another has been sentenced to a lifetime's misery. Conrad Murray is clearly a broken man. He was weak and stupid. Boy, is he paying a price for it.

There are a lot of weak and desperate people out there, but most won't suffer for it like him because most won't meet someone with the same combination of wealth and wackiness as Michael Jackson had.

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Tittypants said:

[real talk]

I love MJ to death, but I honestly think he did accidentally killed himself......

I loved Michael as well, but he had become very reckless, and became very accustomed to manipulating people for whatever it was he wanted at whatever time he wanted it, regardless of the consequences. Although, I feel that Conrad Murray was rightfully convicted of involuntary manslaughter, because he made some very stupid and dangerous mistakes. But honestly? I hold Michael Jackson accountable for his own death. If it hadn't been Dr. Murray that had been the one to make those mistakes, Michael would not have stopped until he found another to do so (...and the end result would likely have been the same - because these were untested waters - administering Propofol outside of a hospital setting). Nevertheless, MICHAEL was the one who put those actions into play.

I loved Michael, and hate that he's gone, I miss his creative genius. But he was warned many times by various people that what he was searching for was going to kill him (...and well what do you know? It did!). It's not like he didn't know the risk involved with what he was doing. I feel strongly that we all need to be held accountable for our own actions, behaviors, and the consequences that result, including Michael Jackson (whom we have certainly since learned; was as human as the rest of us).

I think this verdict was a fair one though. But Dr. Murray is no monster IMHO. Hindsight is 20/20, and I'm sure Conrad Murray understands where it was he screwed up. I can easily see how he may have lost sight of better judgment in the glaring light of Michael's mega-stardom, and with the prospect of making a lot of money. But now is the time for him to accept the consequences of his actions. Let Michael, and all the chaos that surrounded his world, rest now. Let the music play!

PDogz said:

Tittypants said:

[real talk]

I love MJ to death, but I honestly think he did accidentally killed himself......

I loved Michael as well, but he had become very reckless, and became very accustomed to manipulating people for whatever it was he wanted at whatever time he wanted it, regardless of the consequences. Although, I feel that Conrad Murray was rightfully convicted of involuntary manslaughter, because he made some very stupid and dangerous mistakes. But honestly? I hold Michael Jackson accountable for his own death. If it hadn't been Dr. Murray that had been the one to make those mistakes, Michael would not have stopped until he found another to do so (...and the end result would likely have been the same - because these were untested waters - administering Propofol outside of a hospital setting). Nevertheless, MICHAEL was the one who put those actions into play.

I loved Michael, and hate that he's gone, I miss his creative genius. But he was warned many times by various people that what he was searching for was going to kill him (...and well what do you know? It did!). It's not like he didn't know the risk involved with what he was doing. I feel strongly that we all need to be held accountable for our own actions, behaviors, and the consequences that result, including Michael Jackson (whom we have certainly since learned; was as human as the rest of us).

I think this verdict was a fair one though. But Dr. Murray is no monster IMHO. Hindsight is 20/20, and I'm sure Conrad Murray understands where it was he screwed up. I can easily see how he may have lost sight of better judgment in the glaring light of Michael's mega-stardom, and with the prospect of making a lot of money. But now is the time for him to accept the consequences of his actions. Let Michael, and all the chaos that surrounded his world, rest now. Let the music play!

Yeah, this post is pretty much spot-on. Although I think money was Murray's main motivation, I too think he was a little intoxicated by Michael's mega-stardom as well. To be honest I think most of Mike's enablers down the years were; not just the medical ones, but even someone like Lisa Marie. His status gave him tremendous leverage with people.

AnaisKarim said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I got that memo 20 years ago but thanks.

That's funny because the term was coined during the OJ trial and that was not 20 years ago. Plus you are one of the ones who misuses the term.

It is a dumb ass term 2 begin with. If racism did not exist, they would be no need 4 it.

DonRants said:

I don't think that is "the race card". The race card would have been if he said something like "Dr. Murray is being convicted because he is black." That is not what he said or meant. I think what he meant is he didn't like seeing the conviction of another black man. In light of the high number of black men being sent to jail in America I think that his is an appropriate response.

Maybe it wouldn't be so tragic if the man didn't fuck up so royally that he put himself in that situation in the first place.

Exactly. Trusting your doctor is your own fault as well. Which is why when it comes to medical malpractice the victim is also held responsible.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

musicjunky318 said:

Oh here we goooooooo againnn.

And it will happen into eternity until Michael Jackson's fans admit the fucking truth. Most fans would have killed Michael too because, put in the position of Conrad Murray, they wouldn't have been able to utter the word "no" to their God. Michael killed himself. He just happened to hire someone to do it for him.

So here is the tip: The People have spoken;

IT IS ILLEGAL TO PARTICIPATE IN ASSISTED SUICIDE!!! If you do it, don't be surprised if you find your ass in court charge with manslaughter.

Enough said!

ViintageJunkiie said:

Get ready for Conrad's book "The Conviction of an Innocent Man"

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