^ this is no disrespect to the poster who wrote that, but I disagree with that happening. Janet was being asked about Britney's success in VIBE in 2001 and something along the lines of whether a young black teen with a debut could sell the numbers Britney did was asked, and Janet didn't say yes or no, but she was implying it's very hard or impossible even today. I never really thought about this, but I wonder if this bothers Janet sometimes even though she's too nice to say so and likes to say she likes everyone in interviews.

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ThePopLover2 said:

"If there was a black girl more talented than Britney and had the ability to make it, she would have made it. This has nothing to do with race."

okay, who brought up Beyonce?

HohnerCatcher said:

ThePopLover2 said:

"If there was a black girl more talented than Britney and had the ability to make it, she would have made it. This has nothing to do with race."

okay, who brought up Beyonce?

Beyonce had a career already with Destiny's Child, she was a teen then and the debut was not a big seller. She was already an adult when her debut was released and had experience in the industry and was accomplished, not the same.

Raven Symone is an example of a black disney girl, a teen then, who did not have high album sales despite having a successful show, and did not make headlines like her white counterparts on disney.

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paniuroczy said:

alphastreet said:

Yeah but even the ones before MJ secured their legacy, though a lot of times Elvis gets the credit they deserve more, and I see the Janet-Britney thing as that all over again...it's the white supremacy/white privlege part of it that's upsetting more than Britney herself. I understand Brit and I are almost the same age and were inspired by the same artists, but there were other artists around her time too with better voices like Robyn and Christina Aguilera that were inspired by her and yet not making a career out of ripping her off to become iconic. She has done some good work and I'll give her credit for that, but she had a hype machine behind her, and it wasn't nice seeing some people not always enjoying something Janet did onstage or in a video, but then Britney would do something very similar and it's seen as great, that was upsetting, and anything but iconic on her or her team's part.

About what you said earlier about her losing confidence, I do agree with that and it's obvious she liked what she did before. I felt bad for her at the Billboard's and wanted her to just go home, and at the MTV awards a few years ago. I don't buy that she was saving herself for her tours, she just doesn't want to do it anymore and maybe she shouldn't, and that happens to many people. I know she is a depression sufferer, as I am too and maybe it has to do with that, who knows...

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Really? With the white supremecy shit? This wasn't like Elvis, it wasn't the same time. It wasn't like where he had to introduce black music to white people. This is the nineties/00s where black people have plenty of opportunities in the music business. If there was a black girl more talented than Britney and had the ability to make it, she would have made it. This has nothing to do with race. This is absolutely NOT the same thing.. Janet was a star WAAAY before Britney and still is. The two are completely unrelated.

Yes, she has a hype machine behind her. Every artist today does. The music industry is all about marketing now, don't you know? It's not just her. The thing is, though, is that before everything that happened to her, Britney could actually live up to the hype. Now, unfortunately, she can't.

Britney and Janet are two completely different people. The the thing is, you are only looking at the surface. You are not seeing the deeper part of it. It's perfectly okay for someone to like Britney and not like Janet, how is that so bad? Like I said, two completely different images, music, styles, etc. Janet is extremely talented, had a lot of energy, her voice is great, etc, etc. But like I mentioned before, the thing that Britney used to have that Janet didn't was the fact that she had this play on innocence with a sexual magnetism going on. There was a fire behind the eyes, she had a feral movement that was very sexual, she had a darkness to her. That's what made her so fascinating to so many people. Unfortunately she lost all that.

These are things you can't see with your eyes but that's what made her ultimately so great and unfortunately Janet never had those things. You have to look past the exterior because this has NOTHING to do with her being white or whatever else you said. You can't measure these things.

Wha??? Janet was the epitome of sexual coquettishness back in the day. Ever see the "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" video? She was known for her innocent persona with a dash of playful sexiness. At least before the janet. album, anyway.

It's good to see J finally getting some respect. Cool commercial.

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alphastreet said:

HohnerCatcher said:

okay, who brought up Beyonce?

Beyonce had a career already with Destiny's Child, she was a teen then and the debut was not a big seller. She was already an adult when her debut was released and had experience in the industry and was accomplished, not the same.

Raven Symone is an example of a black disney girl who did not have high album sales despite having a successful show, and did not make headlines like her white counterparts on disney.

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So what if their exact paths are not identical? Would it take away from Britney somehow if she had started in a girl group?

Some of yall miss the WHOLE POINT of others arguements and opinions. And I am still tryna figure out why the hell Michael Jackson was even brought up in relation to influences compared to Brittany Spears That has NOTHING to do with this arguement.

REGARDLESS

The FACT of the matter is...

Brittany is NOT:

Innovative

Original

Groundbreaking

Has yet to produce a classic song

Has yet to make a classic album

Has not influence a generation of singers

Has not implemented new trends in the music industry

Doest write her own music nor plays instruments

Whether she was white or black it would STILL be the same....

Beyonce has had the same run as Brittany and she has YET to do all of the above herself and has received similiar awards in the past and guess what.... SHES BLACK.

I didn't get that either, a lot of people thought Janet was pretty or at least had nice abs, the assholes who didn't call her mj with tits

And I believe press calling her shy but definintely not that onstage with all her dance moves and expressions is a subtle way of telling someone they are so sexy. They said this to her when she covered up and when she didn't.

SEANMAN said:

paniuroczy said:

Really? With the white supremecy shit? This wasn't like Elvis, it wasn't the same time. It wasn't like where he had to introduce black music to white people. This is the nineties/00s where black people have plenty of opportunities in the music business. If there was a black girl more talented than Britney and had the ability to make it, she would have made it. This has nothing to do with race. This is absolutely NOT the same thing.. Janet was a star WAAAY before Britney and still is. The two are completely unrelated.

Yes, she has a hype machine behind her. Every artist today does. The music industry is all about marketing now, don't you know? It's not just her. The thing is, though, is that before everything that happened to her, Britney could actually live up to the hype. Now, unfortunately, she can't.

Britney and Janet are two completely different people. The the thing is, you are only looking at the surface. You are not seeing the deeper part of it. It's perfectly okay for someone to like Britney and not like Janet, how is that so bad? Like I said, two completely different images, music, styles, etc. Janet is extremely talented, had a lot of energy, her voice is great, etc, etc. But like I mentioned before, the thing that Britney used to have that Janet didn't was the fact that she had this play on innocence with a sexual magnetism going on. There was a fire behind the eyes, she had a feral movement that was very sexual, she had a darkness to her. That's what made her so fascinating to so many people. Unfortunately she lost all that.

These are things you can't see with your eyes but that's what made her ultimately so great and unfortunately Janet never had those things. You have to look past the exterior because this has NOTHING to do with her being white or whatever else you said. You can't measure these things.

Wha??? Janet was the epitome of sexual coquettishness back in the day. Ever see the "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" video? She was known for her innocent persona with a dash of playful sexiness. At least before the janet. album, anyway.

It's good to see her finally getting some respect. Cool commercial.

Yeah I think Janet established that "Good Girl Gone Bad" thing that rihanna takes after

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ThePopLover2 said:

alphastreet said:

^ this is no disrespect to the poster who wrote that, but I disagree with that happening. Janet was being asked about Britney's success in VIBE in 2001 and something along the lines of whether a young black teen with a debut could sell the numbers Britney did was asked, and Janet didn't say yes or no, but she was implying it's very hard or impossible even today. I never really thought about this, but I wonder if this bothers Janet sometimes even though she's too nice to say so and likes to say she likes everyone in interviews.

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That's what I was saying

HohnerCatcher said:

alphastreet said:

Beyonce had a career already with Destiny's Child, she was a teen then and the debut was not a big seller. She was already an adult when her debut was released and had experience in the industry and was accomplished, not the same.

Raven Symone is an example of a black disney girl who did not have high album sales despite having a successful show, and did not make headlines like her white counterparts on disney.

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So what if their exact paths are not identical? Would it take away from Britney somehow if she had started in a girl group?

Just saying Britney was more marketable at the time of her success. Britney was being marketed to Tiger Beat and other teen magazines then, Janet was being marketed to Ebony and Essence, though also in Word Up! and Black Beat though they were already beginning to treat her like she wasn't getting any younger during VR/Baby One More Time. If you want another teen pop comparison, let's take Hilary Duff. I know nothing about her, just from hearsay from younger relatives,but I know she had a show and then an album or two and would hear her name time to time. Janet also acted as a teen and had an album or two, but they failed to chart high on the Billboard Hot 100 and only made little impact on the r&b charts, she did not crossover. What do the Spears and Duff's have to crossover?

LOOK...WE'RE GONNA END THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW. ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH BRITNEY'S HONOR, TWO-STEP OUT THIS THREAD. DO NO WATCH THE CEREMONY IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT IT AND FEEL SHE DESERVES IT.

musicjunky318 said:

LOOK...WE'RE GONNA END THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW. ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH BRITNEY'S HONOR, TWO-STEP OUT THIS THREAD. DO NO WATCH THE CEREMONY IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT IT AND FEEL SHE DESERVES IT.

ooooo attitude!!!

Whatever next? A tribute to Rebecca Black by an unborn foetus, featuring the (autotuned) sounds of the womb.

Actually, I shouldn't joke about that. The record labels might be listening.

Haven't watched the madtv awards in years and don't intend to either this year.

SEANMAN said:

paniuroczy said:

Really? With the white supremecy shit? This wasn't like Elvis, it wasn't the same time. It wasn't like where he had to introduce black music to white people. This is the nineties/00s where black people have plenty of opportunities in the music business. If there was a black girl more talented than Britney and had the ability to make it, she would have made it. This has nothing to do with race. This is absolutely NOT the same thing.. Janet was a star WAAAY before Britney and still is. The two are completely unrelated.

Yes, she has a hype machine behind her. Every artist today does. The music industry is all about marketing now, don't you know? It's not just her. The thing is, though, is that before everything that happened to her, Britney could actually live up to the hype. Now, unfortunately, she can't.

Britney and Janet are two completely different people. The the thing is, you are only looking at the surface. You are not seeing the deeper part of it. It's perfectly okay for someone to like Britney and not like Janet, how is that so bad? Like I said, two completely different images, music, styles, etc. Janet is extremely talented, had a lot of energy, her voice is great, etc, etc. But like I mentioned before, the thing that Britney used to have that Janet didn't was the fact that she had this play on innocence with a sexual magnetism going on. There was a fire behind the eyes, she had a feral movement that was very sexual, she had a darkness to her. That's what made her so fascinating to so many people. Unfortunately she lost all that.

These are things you can't see with your eyes but that's what made her ultimately so great and unfortunately Janet never had those things. You have to look past the exterior because this has NOTHING to do with her being white or whatever else you said. You can't measure these things.

Wha??? Janet was the epitome of sexual coquettishness back in the day. Ever see the "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" video? She was known for her innocent persona with a dash of playful sexiness. At least before the janet. album, anyway.

It's good to see J finally getting some respect. Cool commercial.

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It's not the same thing AT ALL. Britney was playing on the "sweet, little innocent Christian girl from a small town". Janet didn't do that. I know that Janet is way more talented than Britney in pretty much all aspects, but I think that's the one thing she had over Janet. I know that Janet was very sexual but she didn't have that deep sexual energy. It's not the same thing. Britney was a tease, she lingered between the innocent and sexual side effortlessly.

The thing about Britney is, she's not serious. Everything about her, &all her music is to be taken lightly. It's not deep. It's just pure fun. Her performances, everything. With her it was just fun which is what I like about her.

Janet was cute little Janet of the Jacksons that played Penny and Charlene, but also eloped with James DeBarge. Her early life experiences gave her edge that was begging to come out on her first two albums and exploded on Control. She matured at an early age IMO and didn't have much of a childhood, though she got away from the unhealthy Jacksons environment as soon as she could. I agree Britney was carefree and fun judging from performance clips I have seen sometimes, but it would have been nice if she had a decent voice for a major part of it. I do associate some of her songs with my youth, but I can't call them classics at all,she borrowed Janet ideas (and yes, I know people borrow) or she does not sound good on them like she could have (Stronger is a great song, terrible voice).

I've never watched the VMAs before, and I have no intention of ever watching it. But why the hell are they honoring a washed-up coke whore? She never had any real talent, she was just shoved down our throats non-stop (and still is) by her record company. All her songs suck ass. She's had absolutely no impact whatsoever. She should seriously hang it up, she has two young children she needs to raise. Or does she even have custody? This is why every awards show is joke.

Honored for what?

She doesn't have custody, just joint or supervised visits or something, and her family supervises her. It's all very sad, I think she should just hang it up. I usually admire if people can survive and overcome their struggles, but it is really not worth it if you're not doing a good job of it or looking like you don't want to do it and sacrificng your health. Despite all I've said about her in this thread, I would be sad if something happened to her, but she is no icon or legend no matter what the media shoves down gullible people's throats.

alphastreet said:

She doesn't have custody, just joint or supervised visits or something, and her family supervises her. It's all very sad, I think she should just hang it up. I usually admire if people can survive and overcome their struggles, but it is really not worth it if you're not doing a good job of it or looking like you don't want to do it and sacrificng your health. Despite all I've said about her in this thread, I would be sad if something happened to her, but she is no icon or legend no matter what the media shoves down gullible people's throats.

She does have custody of her kids. She is in a conservatorship, her dad has control of her assets. She doesn't need to be supervised to see her children.

She sees them twice a week or something last I heard, just hope her father isn't another joseph jackson or matthew knowles

alphastreet said:

She sees them twice a week or something last I heard, just hope her father isn't another joseph jackson or matthew knowles

No they live with her. They're even on tour with her now.

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Aw that's cute....I see her hair grew back

paniuroczy said:

HotGritz said:

@ Brittney becoming a white Janet Jackson.

Wow, never heard that one before.

Exactly. So dumb. @alphastreet Britney came about in a teen pop era where everyone was dancing.. To compare them is ridiculous. Their styles are completely different.. not only their image but their choreography and music styles too. To call her the white Janet is just stupid and frankly you're just being bitter.

no its not stupid its the truth.

they tried to call britney the next madonna. But really she was more like janet from style and dancing. Thats the whole reason why i even liked her a long time ago. She reminded me of a knock off janet jackson. Except watered down.

it has nothing to do with bitter its just the obvious

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I remember the next Madonna headlines too when I didn't see it at all, and didn't really have an issue with her in the beginning from afar for a similar reason

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paniuroczy said:

SEANMAN said:

Wha??? Janet was the epitome of sexual coquettishness back in the day. Ever see the "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" video? She was known for her innocent persona with a dash of playful sexiness. At least before the janet. album, anyway.

It's good to see J finally getting some respect. Cool commercial.

[Edited 8/15/11 17:28pm]

It's not the same thing AT ALL. Britney was playing on the "sweet, little innocent Christian girl from a small town". Janet didn't do that. I know that Janet is way more talented than Britney in pretty much all aspects, but I think that's the one thing she had over Janet. I know that Janet was very sexual but she didn't have that deep sexual energy. It's not the same thing. Britney was a tease, she lingered between the innocent and sexual side effortlessly.

The thing about Britney is, she's not serious. Everything about her, &all her music is to be taken lightly. It's not deep. It's just pure fun. Her performances, everything. With her it was just fun which is what I like about her.

i can't believe you are serious with this, and i for one say off the wall stuff.

when you get older you will grow out of britney spears, but janet is for grown folks.

^ the other day, I started thinking of this too. The ones my age in those years that liked Britney most likely started listening to pop music late and weren't familiar with Janet or just listened to parent-friendly teen pop or something or mainstream cause it was user friendly. I remember someone my age going 'ew janet's bi' and 'she has red hair' and 'omg she didn't shave' or 'she shows her boobs ew' and I had to explain it was a tattoo, babies! I used to wonder if I was too young to like her that much too, but didn't give a shit, and loved her so much. That stuff was new to me too,but I loved it. Those years, I was listening to mostly r&b/hip hop and older music which was sophisticated and mature without me really realizing that and I happened to hang out with people my age who were trying to act way older than they were and listening to grown folks music with cursing and sex, or I got along with people a little older than me that remember the RN and janet eras and liked janet from afar. But the ones who were familiar with Janet still liked her casually and would own some VR singles and were feeling her again after it with her videos and upbeat songs. But then I also knew people who liked Janet and Britney, I just didn't respect those who thought Britney was better if there were any when I could see everything unfold. Also in middle school, I was mostly around those who liked r&b/hip hop/urban and had love for the Jacksons, that changed in high school cause the population was more diverse and most people seemed to be into teen pop or industrial/grunge though r&b was also very popular.

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TotalAlisa said:

paniuroczy said:

It's not the same thing AT ALL. Britney was playing on the "sweet, little innocent Christian girl from a small town". Janet didn't do that. I know that Janet is way more talented than Britney in pretty much all aspects, but I think that's the one thing she had over Janet. I know that Janet was very sexual but she didn't have that deep sexual energy. It's not the same thing. Britney was a tease, she lingered between the innocent and sexual side effortlessly.

The thing about Britney is, she's not serious. Everything about her, &all her music is to be taken lightly. It's not deep. It's just pure fun. Her performances, everything. With her it was just fun which is what I like about her.

i can't believe you are serious with this, and i for one say off the wall stuff.

when you get older you will grow out of britney spears, but janet is for grown folks.

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paniuroczy said:

TotalAlisa said:

i can't believe you are serious with this, and i for one say off the wall stuff.

when you get older you will grow out of britney spears, but janet is for grown folks.

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this gif you posted is just hilarious. No one is mad, mad that you are still young and still like britney. I used to like her too when i was in highschool.

Stop with the "Mad" or "bitter" crap. Its not even that deep. Its just you don't know what you are talking about and you really don't

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