Free2BMe said:

119 said:

Yes, and she doesn't have to dress like Hilary Clinton to be classy. In that song photo for instance, she could have worn that yellow dress without the sides cut away and looked sexy AND classy. Alicia Keys for the most part, manages to do it. Others who come to mind are Paula Patton and Amel Larrieux. You can be feminine, beautiful and sexy without having your behind hanging out.

I'm not trying to be funny; but, Janet uses her body a LOT to help her image. Some of her photos are downright pornographic. YET, I never hear people talking about her "trashy" or overly sexy image. Can you image the crap that Beyonce would get if she did some of the poses/photos that Janet has done over the years? Remember, this is the lady who said during her Rhythm Nation era that it was NOT sexy when a woman TRIES to be sexy. What do you call what Janet is STILL doing(simulating oral sex, butt hanging out in see through cat suits, etc.) It doesn't make it right just because it is Janet. Beyonce has NEVER done or gone to places image wise that Janet has. Let's not be hypocrites when it comes to Beyonce. I am so tired of the Beyonce bashing on EVERYTHING that this CLASSY, TALENTED lady does.

Have you been on Pluto for the last seven years? Since 2004, Janet's sexuality is ALL her detractors bring up. Actually, I'll take it back even further. Since 1993's janet. album, Janet's sexual persona has been a part of her image, and the media has more than made note of it. She'd done sexy songs before the janet. album, but that was the CD in which she finally became comfortable and secure enough in her womanhood to explore sexuality on an entire record. The thing that sets Janet apart from not only Beyonce, but just about all of the new pop tarts, is that she became a pop superstar while covered from head to toe.

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SoulAlive said:

how did this turn into another Beyonce vs.Janet thread?

We had to take it there, suga. We can get back on point in a minute, but when someone throws fallacies out there about the Queen, things must be rectified.

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mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

I'm not trying to be funny; but, Janet uses her body a LOT to help her image. Some of her photos are downright pornographic. YET, I never hear people talking about her "trashy" or overly sexy image. Can you image the crap that Beyonce would get if she did some of the poses/photos that Janet has done over the years? Remember, this is the lady who said during her Rhythm Nation era that it was NOT sexy when a woman TRIES to be sexy. What do you call what Janet is STILL doing(simulating oral sex, butt hanging out in see through cat suits, etc.) It doesn't make it right just because it is Janet. Beyonce has NEVER done or gone to places image wise that Janet has. Let's not be hypocrites when it comes to Beyonce. I am so tired of the Beyonce bashing on EVERYTHING that th

is CLASSY, TALENTED lady does.

Nobody is being a hyprocrite... Janet standing by herself as an artist there is alot I can honestly criticize and find overrated about her BUT someone had compared her to Beyonce... As far as Im concern mostly everyone here mostly used the RN Janet as an example NOT JANET THROUGH HER ENTIRE CAREER in comparision to Beyonce. Janet RN is Janet in her PRIME.Yea Janets last 4 albums sucked because she sold her soul to mainstream and reverted to saling sex. However, Rhythm Nation AND Control hold true to classic material compared to her later years. Beyonce HAS YET to make quality music and to exactly make a classic song. And JUST because Beyonce has not done some of the photoshoots Janet has done.. does not make her image classier. It is still all the same. She still sales sex and emphasizes her looks more so than her music and she does not have to even the lyrical content in her music and how she displays herself in her music videos... Now I personally feel the comparision is unnessary because there is nothing to compare.. Comparing for example an artist like Erykah Badu to Beyonce I think is more appropiate because their both current. Janet's Rhtyhm Nation was ONLY brought up to show a woman can STILL be sexy without TRYING to hard and being to revealing..JUST THE MUSIC VIDEO not Janets ENTIRE Career.

janet's RN, Janet., and Velvet Rope tours are all amazing. Even All For you tour janet was in her prime.

janet is already a legend and doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

RN is not janets prime WTF????

SEANMAN said:

SoulAlive said:

how did this turn into another Beyonce vs.Janet thread?

We had to take it there, suga. We can get back on point in a minute, but when someone throws fallacies out there about the Queen, things must be rectified.

at first i thought it was me who brought up janet.. and I looked over the posts again and it was that Samhabib person who brought up janet being pornographic... I couldn't be quiet on that one..

Timmy84 said:

SEANMAN said:

samhabib said:

SEANMAN said:

You should really do your research. That you think Beyonce is a better performer is your opinion, but let's not get crazy with this Janet- Jam and Lewis = nudity stuff. Janet has been comfortable enough to show skin since 1993, which was LONG before she, Jam and Lewis took a break in working with each other. Also, her RN tour was not mimed, and neither was the janet. tour for the most part. Most of the VR tour was live as well. Beyonce, if anything, has snatched more than a few pages from Janet's live performance book, as evidenced in several of Bey's performances. The girl can sang, for sure, but just because Bey can sang does not make Janet a lesser singer. Janet has also never had to try too hard, which is something that Beyonce has done on several occasions. Bey is a hell of a performer, but she's not Janet.

Research? I saw Janet at Wembley Arena in 1990 and again in 1995. I then saw Beyonce at the O2 in 2009. Janet mimed almost every song. She recorded alternate versions of her hits and mimed along to them. Everyone and their mother knew it. The occasional ballad and the Escapade medley on the Janet tour were the exceptions. By contrast, Beyonce sang everything live. That's me having seen both artists at their absolute peaks. Where is my research lacking??? Quite simply, find me ONE Janet Jackson vocal online that comes ANYWHERE close to this! http://www.youtube.com/wa...ata_player

Janet sang LIVE on the Rhythm Nation tour. And Beyonce has "jacked" Janet on a few occasions. You think she sings better than Janet, fine. But as for all around entertainment, Janet wipes that proverbial floor with Bey. Sorry.

Check the vid from 1:04-1:35

I have yet to see not only Beyonce, but any dance/pop/RnB diva of today, PERIOD, match his performance

Beyonce is a dynamic performer, no doubt, but she ain't J. Now, getting back to this new song of hers, it's not up to snuff. It's definately not as good as her other singles (Single Ladies included).

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SEANMAN said:

TotalAlisa said:

samhabib said:

Here's some pics to prove that I'm ANYTHING BUT 'full of shit'! RN ticket: http://www.facebook.com/p...=732517316 Janet ticket: http://www.facebook.com/p...=732517316 Janet tour pics: http://www.facebook.com/m...183b852f99 Beyonce tour pics: http://www.facebook.com/m...8a3c552ffa I'm a Janet Jackson fan. But it's simply not true to claim that she's as talented as Beyonce. Simply not true. If you prefer Janet, good for you. Some of her stuff - Control to Velvet Rope - was outstanding. But Elvis had great songs written for him. Doesn't make him Stevie Wonder.

They are both talented women, but Janet is an iconic performer who has been known for her dynamic stage shows and performances for decades. I'm not taking anything away from Beyonce's talent, but to try and put the two in the same category is ludicrous. Janet was making hits when Beyonce was still bossing Kelly Rowland and Co. around in her daddy's backyard. And, are you suggesting that Janet doesn't write any of her songs? Bumpedyourhead.com.

SEANMAN said:

samhabib said:

SEANMAN said:

They are both talented women, but Janet is an iconic performer who has been known for her dynamic stage shows and performances for decades. I'm not taking anything away from Beyonce's talent, but to try and put the two in the same category is ludicrous. Janet was making hits when Beyonce was still bossing Kelly Rowland and Co. around in her daddy's backyard. And, are you suggesting that Janet doesn't write any of her songs? Bumpedyourhead.com.

But she mimed most of her shows. So it doesn't matter how great her dancing was, she wasn't singing. If Janet's such a great songwriter, where are the great songs from approx 2001 onwards??? Which great song has she sole written in the last 10 years that the world hasn't heard about?!?

You keep saying "most of her shows." When Janet sings live, she sings live. Her performance of I Get Lonely on Rosie O'Donnell was not only live, but on point. She's brought the crowd at her shows to thunderous applause over the years while singing ballads such as Again and Come Back To Me--live. Beyonce has been accused on more than one occasion of jacking credits for songs she's had little to nothing to do with writing, so let's not go there.

samhabib said:

Here's some pics to prove that I'm ANYTHING BUT 'full of shit'! RN ticket: http://www.facebook.com/p...=732517316 Janet ticket: http://www.facebook.com/p...=732517316 Janet tour pics: http://www.facebook.com/m...183b852f99 Beyonce tour pics: http://www.facebook.com/m...8a3c552ffa I'm a Janet Jackson fan. But it's simply not true to claim that she's as talented as Beyonce. Simply not true. If you prefer Janet, good for you. Some of her stuff - Control to Velvet Rope - was outstanding. But Elvis had great songs written for him. Doesn't make him Stevie Wonder.

Do you realize how retarded you sound?

Janet being more infuential and iconic AS a performer as well as her music MORE than Beyonce is not an opinion, it is A FACT.

It is honestly just utterly ridiculous as well as disrespectful how you have downplayed Janets talent and what she has done for music AND state an artist like Beyonce has done more which is not accurate. SeanMan proved this point by posting clips that clearly shows that Beyonce COPIES off of Janet in her stage performances. So I'm having a hard time trying to understand why you feel she is BETTER than Janet when she copies from HER, HERSELF. Beyonce can not see Janet on NO DANCEFLOOR. There just isnt no comparision. For one thing, Beyonce does not do complicated dance choregraphy, all she does is shake her ass and lets not get started on her crap music. Janets.. Control, Rhythm Nation, Janet and Velvet Robe albums are FAR greater than anything Beyonce has ever came out with as a solo artist. Janets Control and Rhythm Nation has had more influence in music videos and music MORE than ANYTHING Beyonce has done which has been zeroe for music. YOU OBVIOUSLY, like Beyonce more.. but dont get your twisted fandom twisted on exactly what she as done for music and COMPARING HER TO A REAL ICON. You can like her all you want.. thats fine.. But dont sit here and foolishly say she is better than Janet or influence music when she has not it makes you look STUPID but its bringing many many laughs and not with you BUT AT YOU.LOL

Miming and having an average voice has nothing to do with why Janet is an Icon because if that be the case Billie Holiday or Michael Jackson would not be legends. Its BEYOND the stage. Its BEYOND the music. These artists helped influenced and impacted music in away ARTISTS TODAY ARE FOLLOWING A SIMILIAR PATTERN and are able to explore things artistically BECAUSE of these artists..Beyonce is not an innovative or original artist. All that she does on stage is because of entertainers like Janet, Tina and Michael.. her music is lackluster pop trash.. your arguement is nothing but jokes.

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samhabib said:

I have seen Janet Jackson mime with my own eyes! Literally feet in front of me! What part of that are you not understanding? I've never heard of Beyonce being sued in court for songwriting credits. Unlike Janet Jackson who famously settled out of court with Des'ree for stealing the melody for 'Got Til It's Gone'. But yeah, let's not go there.

Yes, let's NOT go there, because Des'Ree sued Beyonce and Co. as well, for remaking her song "Kissing You" without permission. Beyonce also settled out of court with some Chicago songwriters for lifting "Cater 2 U".

About the issue of lip synching or not lip synching, the point is other greats have done it as well, MJ included. I'm talking about puttng on a tight ass, performing from top to bottom, making you feel every dance move, sing along with every song type of show. Janet has been doing it for decades and there's none other like her. To become an icon, Janet didn't need to shake her ass. She didn't need to wear a napkin and gyrate in her early videos. She was covered from neck to ankle in black, singing about being in Control and about being a part of the Rhythm Nation, and made pop music history that way.

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mjscarousal said:

Let's Ease The Tension in Here lol

samhabib said:

mjscarousal said:

Do you realize how retarded you sound?

Janet being more infuential and iconic AS a performer as well as her music MORE than Beyonce is not an opinion, it is A FACT.

It is honestly just utterly ridiculous as well as disrespectful how you have downplayed Janets talent and what she has done for music AND state an artist like Beyonce has done more which is not accurate. SeanMan proved this point by posting clips that clearly shows that Beyonce COPIES off of Janet in her stage performances. So I'm having a hard time trying to understand why you feel she is BETTER than Janet when she copies from HER, HERSELF. Beyonce can not see Janet on NO DANCEFLOOR. There just isnt no comparision. For one thing, Beyonce does not do complicated dance choregraphy, all she does is shake her ass and lets not get started on her crap music. Janets.. Control, Rhythm Nation, Janet and Velvet Robe albums are FAR greater than anything Beyonce has ever came out with as a solo artist. Janets Control and Rhythm Nation has had more influence in music videos and music MORE than ANYTHING Beyonce has done which has been zeroe for music. YOU OBVIOUSLY, like Beyonce more.. but dont get your twisted fandom twisted on exactly what she as done for music and COMPARING HER TO A REAL ICON. You can like her all you want.. thats fine.. But dont sit here and foolishly say she is better than Janet or influence music when she has not it makes you look STUPID but its bringing many many laughs and not with you BUT AT YOU.LOL

Miming and having an average voice has nothing to do with why Janet is an Icon because if that be the case Billie Holiday or Michael Jackson would not be legends. Its BEYOND the stage. Its BEYOND the music. These artists helped influenced and impacted music in away ARTISTS TODAY ARE FOLLOWING A SIMILIAR PATTERN and are able to explore things artistically BECAUSE of these artists..Beyonce is not an innovative or original artist. All that she does on stage is because of entertainers like Janet, Tina and Michael.. her music is lackluster pop trash.. your arguement is nothing but jokes.

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Probably the most ignorant thing I've ever read on the internet. Michael Jackson was the greatest live performer that ever lived so I have no idea on what basis you're trying to claim he mimed his way into that league. He's remembered for his Bad tour over his HIStory tour. Trust me on that. If Janet Jackson is the great songwriting talent you claim she is, where are the great solo songs that she's written in the last 10 or so years? What has she influenced?!? She's the product of Michael Jackson's shadow. Choreographed numbers? Michael was doing those before she was. Crying on stage? Michael was doing that before she was. Big budget music videos? Michael was doing that before she was. What has she innovated?? Absolutely nothing. What has she done that had never been done before? Absolutely nothing. If you want an adult debate learn some manners. Otherwise don't bother.

Trust me Im not as delusional as you and I dont READ into things that are NOT TYPED OUT in posts. When did I say Michael Jackson mimed his way to become a legend? Your talking to the biggest Michael Jackson fan around. Its obvious that not only do you know nothing about real music you also have comprehension problems. Michael was a phenomenal live performer BUT he also has had his share of miming some live performances due to high energy dance numbers. My point in bringing him up was to show that MIMING live performances does not make an artist any less of an icon/legend OR takes away from their impact especially an obviously talented vocal singer such as Michael who was a great singer. Michael is remembered for Jackson 5, The Jacksons material, Off the Wall, BAD, Dangerous, History, Invincible, BODF.. NOT just BAD silly.

LOL You love to put things in posts that are not even there.. Where in that post did I call Janet a great songwriter?... I'll wait.. MOST of her older material whether written by HER OR NOT are influential and classics.. Janet has written/ co written alot of her music especially with VR. Her impact is beyond songs she has written or not written. Thats like me calling the Supremes irrelevant because they didnt write any of their music.. You dont HAVE to write ALL your music to be influential or a legend. The thing about Beyonce is that she takes the credit for writing songs that she DID NOT write and lies and puts her names in songcredits. Also, even IF she did write her music it STILL would be bad and not really influential.

When I used innovative I was really referring to Michael and while I do agree that Janet has not innovated anything for music NEITHER HAS BEYONCE and STILL compared to Beyonce she has still had MORE INFLUENCE AND IMPACT THROUGH HER MUSIC which is the overall point fans have been trying to make with you...

You need to get your facts straight and not push you delusion OPINION as fact because its not.. I have manners but your whole arguement as to why you feel Beyonce is better and more influential than Janet is a joke and just ridiculous.. thats not having bad manners thats being honest LOL clearly through artists of today one can see Janets influence as well as her classics in her older music material.. You can be a Beyonce fan but dont sit up here talking crazy talk..

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samhabib said:

mjscarousal said:

Do you realize how retarded you sound?

Janet being more infuential and iconic AS a performer as well as her music MORE than Beyonce is not an opinion, it is A FACT.

It is honestly just utterly ridiculous as well as disrespectful how you have downplayed Janets talent and what she has done for music AND state an artist like Beyonce has done more which is not accurate. SeanMan proved this point by posting clips that clearly shows that Beyonce COPIES off of Janet in her stage performances. So I'm having a hard time trying to understand why you feel she is BETTER than Janet when she copies from HER, HERSELF. Beyonce can not see Janet on NO DANCEFLOOR. There just isnt no comparision. For one thing, Beyonce does not do complicated dance choregraphy, all she does is shake her ass and lets not get started on her crap music. Janets.. Control, Rhythm Nation, Janet and Velvet Robe albums are FAR greater than anything Beyonce has ever came out with as a solo artist. Janets Control and Rhythm Nation has had more influence in music videos and music MORE than ANYTHING Beyonce has done which has been zeroe for music. YOU OBVIOUSLY, like Beyonce more.. but dont get your twisted fandom twisted on exactly what she as done for music and COMPARING HER TO A REAL ICON. You can like her all you want.. thats fine.. But dont sit here and foolishly say she is better than Janet or influence music when she has not it makes you look STUPID but its bringing many many laughs and not with you BUT AT YOU.LOL

Miming and having an average voice has nothing to do with why Janet is an Icon because if that be the case Billie Holiday or Michael Jackson would not be legends. Its BEYOND the stage. Its BEYOND the music. These artists helped influenced and impacted music in away ARTISTS TODAY ARE FOLLOWING A SIMILIAR PATTERN and are able to explore things artistically BECAUSE of these artists..Beyonce is not an innovative or original artist. All that she does on stage is because of entertainers like Janet, Tina and Michael.. her music is lackluster pop trash.. your arguement is nothing but jokes.

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Probably the most ignorant thing I've ever read on the internet. Michael Jackson was the greatest live performer that ever lived so I have no idea on what basis you're trying to claim he mimed his way into that league. He's remembered for his Bad tour over his HIStory tour. Trust me on that. If Janet Jackson is the great songwriting talent you claim she is, where are the great solo songs that she's written in the last 10 or so years? What has she influenced?!? She's the product of Michael Jackson's shadow. Choreographed numbers? Michael was doing those before she was. Crying on stage? Michael was doing that before she was. Big budget music videos? Michael was doing that before she was. What has she innovated?? Absolutely nothing. What has she done that had never been done before? Absolutely nothing. If you want an adult debate learn some manners. Otherwise don't bother.

What has Janet innovated? What has she influenced? Are you joking? The mere fact that you're even asking shows me that you're very misinformed and, dare I say, pretty ignorant. Look at any modern day dance pop diva, every one from Britney to Ciara, and you will see Janet's stamp all over them. Stop drinking the Kool Aid, boo.

Amber from "Glee" says it's she'd like to do a Janet track on the show

Gaga talks on her admiration for Janet

Jennifer Lopez says "Pleasure Principle" inspired her to get into the business

Kelly Rowland gives Janet props beginning @ 5:07

@ 1:35, Pebbles says that if it wasn't for Janet, she wouldn't be where she was

and of course, there's the matter of

and also the video I referenced a few posts up when Beyonce speaks on her admiration of Janet. If you can't see Janet's apparent influence after all this, then that's on you.

larksanders said:

What gets me about this song is that all she did was put vocals over Pon de Floor by Major Lazer (Diplo and Switch). The original was one of THE hottest dancfloor jams in 2009 and the video was amazing. You guys should go look it up, it slays this shit.

Diplo and Switch are great producers. They've been around for a while. I was hoping that them pairing with Beyonce would lead to something orginal. This is basically a mixtape song.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeexactly.

mjscarousal said:

samhabib said:

mjscarousal said:

Trust me Im not as delusional as you and I dont READ into things that are NOT TYPED OUT in posts. When did I say Michael Jackson mimed his way to become a legend? Your talking to the biggest Michael Jackson fan around. Its obvious that not only do you know nothing about real music you also have comprehension problems. Michael was a phenomenal live performer BUT he also has had his share of miming some live performances due to high energy dance numbers. My point in bringing him up was to show that MIMING live performances does not make an artist any less of an icon/legend OR takes away from their impact especially an obviously talented vocal singer such as Michael who was a great singer. Michael is remembered for Jackson 5, The Jacksons material, Off the Wall, BAD, Dangerous, History, Invincible, BODF.. NOT just BAD silly.

LOL You love to put things in posts that are not even there.. Where in that post did I call Janet a great songwriter?... I'll wait.. MOST of her older material whether written by HER OR NOT are influential and classics.. Janet has written/ co written alot of her music especially with VR. Her impact is beyond songs she has written or not written. Thats like me calling the Supremes irrelevant because they didnt write any of their music.. You dont HAVE to write ALL your music to be influential or a legend. The thing about Beyonce is that she takes the credit for writing songs that she DID NOT write and lies and puts her names in songcredits. Also, even IF she did write her music it STILL would be bad and not really influential.

When I used innovative I was really referring to Michael and while I do agree that Janet has not innovated anything for music NEITHER HAS BEYONCE and STILL compared to Beyonce she has still had MORE INFLUENCE AND IMPACT THROUGH HER MUSIC which is the overall point fans have been trying to make with you...

You need to get your facts straight and not push you delusion OPINION as fact because its not.. I have manners but your whole arguement as to why you feel Beyonce is better and more influential than Janet is a joke and just ridiculous.. thats not having bad manners thats being honest LOL clearly through artists of today one can see Janets influence as well as her classics in her older music material.. You can be a Beyonce fan but dont sit up here talking crazy talk..

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I've seen every single one of Michael Jackson's solo live tours, from Bad to HIStory. Up close and personal. Right in front of me. And his command of the live medium was cemented with the Bad tour. It was not only his zenith but the zenith of live pop performance. No one before or since has ever performed as well as he performed on that tour. THAT'S what made him the greatest. Not miming You Are Not Alone on the HIStory tour! So now you're beginning to concede. You're right, Janet didn't innovate anything. As I said. She influenced people? Right. Find me the line where I claimed Beyonce was 'more influential' than Janet. And when you do, then start shouting about it. Beyonce's the greater talent. The greater vocalist - by a country mile, and a better live (as in 'functioning microphone live') performer than Janet Jackson was and will ever be.

In YOUR opinion. Beyonce can't hold a candle to Janet when it comes to being an all out, balls to the wall entertainer. History speaks for itself. You can see the trail she blazed not only for Beyonce, but for all of these younger female performers when you look back on the scope of her 2 decades plus career as a pop superstar. The videos don't lie. The record books don't lie. Beyonce has impressive credits, but Janet's records have stood the test of time. You say you never said Beyonce was more influential than Janet, but you certainly questioned Janet's influence, which is just ridiculous. Anyway, it's apples and oranges. Beyonce lives in the house that Janet built. The end. Put it in the bank. Let it rest.

And Girls Who Run The World is dookie.

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SEANMAN said:

samhabib said:

mjscarousal said: I've seen every single one of Michael Jackson's solo live tours, from Bad to HIStory. Up close and personal. Right in front of me. And his command of the live medium was cemented with the Bad tour. It was not only his zenith but the zenith of live pop performance. No one before or since has ever performed as well as he performed on that tour. THAT'S what made him the greatest. Not miming You Are Not Alone on the HIStory tour! So now you're beginning to concede. You're right, Janet didn't innovate anything. As I said. She influenced people? Right. Find me the line where I claimed Beyonce was 'more influential' than Janet. And when you do, then start shouting about it. Beyonce's the greater talent. The greater vocalist - by a country mile, and a better live (as in 'functioning microphone live') performer than Janet Jackson was and will ever be.

In YOUR opinion. Beyonce can't hold a candle to Janet when it comes to being an all out, balls to the wall entertainer. History speaks for itself. You can see the trail she blazed not only for Beyonce, but for all of these younger female performers when you look back on the scope of her 2 decades plus career as a pop superstar. The videos don't lie. The record books don't lie. Beyonce has impressive credits, but Janet's records have stood the test of time. You say you never said Beyonce was more influential than Janet, but you certainly questioned Janet's influence, which is just ridiculous. Anyway, it's apples and oranges. Beyonce lives in the house that Janet built. The end. Put it in the bank. Let it rest.

And Girls Who Run The World is dookie.

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Dont keep going back and forth with that poster.. their a twat and obviously just doing this for attention. There are alot more threads and artists that exactly have talent and make GOOD MUSIC, WRITE THEIR OWN MUSIC, DANCE THEIR ASS OFF WITHOUT DISPLAYING THEIR BODIES. ORGINAL, INNOVATIVE, CREATIVE that deserve more attention than a delusional poster AND a wack ass song. When that poster trashed Janets influence and claimed Beyonce was more talented Im done right there.. not even worth it discussion or debate.. let them have their fun.. Janets LEGACY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

I GO AWAY come back and people are still arguing......

mjscarousal said:

It lacks melody and soul, and the rhythm is tired.

On top of that it's dreadful.

Who's writing this stuff?

samhabib said:

SEANMAN said:

You should really do your research. That you think Beyonce is a better performer is your opinion, but let's not get crazy with this Janet- Jam and Lewis = nudity stuff. Janet has been comfortable enough to show skin since 1993, which was LONG before she, Jam and Lewis took a break in working with each other. Also, her RN tour was not mimed, and neither was the janet. tour for the most part. Most of the VR tour was live as well. Beyonce, if anything, has snatched more than a few pages from Janet's live performance book, as evidenced in several of Bey's performances. The girl can sang, for sure, but just because Bey can sang does not make Janet a lesser singer. Janet has also never had to try too hard, which is something that Beyonce has done on several occasions. Bey is a hell of a performer, but she's not Janet.

Research? I saw Janet at Wembley Arena in 1990 and again in 1995. I then saw Beyonce at the O2 in 2009. Janet mimed almost every song. She recorded alternate versions of her hits and mimed along to them. Everyone and their mother knew it. The occasional ballad and the Escapade medley on the Janet tour were the exceptions. By contrast, Beyonce sang everything live. That's me having seen both artists at their absolute peaks. Where is my research lacking??? Quite simply, find me ONE Janet Jackson vocal online that comes ANYWHERE close to this! http://www.youtube.com/wa...ata_player

Don't get too beside yourself with this comment because Beyonce uses pre-recorded tracks also and has been using them since DC days ..