Vanilli said:

Militant said:

Regarding "Monster", out of all three Cascio songs this sounds the LEAST like Michael. I'm honestly shocked that anyone thinks that's MJ. It's just not.

The one thing I like about "Monster" is all the samples of Michael during the rap the "Ha!"

(Where is it from again? I'm a longtime fan but I'm terrible at placing any samples unless it is

as obvious as the "Earth Song" rip off.) I consider "Monster" almost like a Jason Malachi song

featuring samples of Michael..so I enjoy it. And honestly, the lyrics are pretty much on par with

Michael's writing style. I'm not excusing the fakery of it all but just saying...they did a nice job trying to pull a bait and switch on us. No matter if Michael really did contribute to writing any of it or not, it is an OKAY song IMO.

I just listened to this song again and laughed at the guy who was being "MJ". Anyway...cant pick the sample out...I let my friend who was playing poker here listen to it and she just said...."no" after ten seconds of hearing this mess.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Cinnamon234 said:

*Waiting for my copy of the album to ship from Amazon*

Wal - Mart has it already.

There's no Wal-Mart near where I live or I would have gotten it already. I wonder why Wal-Mart already has it in stock though?

some rare pictures of Michael getting his disguises made by special effects man Steve Johnson.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/album.php?aid=261751&id=183083583928

apparently, MJ used to go out in professional disguises a great deal of times!

12/13/2010 3:24 PM PST by TMZ Staff

Sources connected with the Michael Jackson/sony deal tell TMZ ... among the 10 albums in the works is a remaster of "Off the Wall" -- with the help of none other than Quincy Jones.


We're told the plan is for Quincy to take charge of the project, which will include some never-before-heard outtakes.

Another album will feature the soundtrack to the upcoming Jackson-themed Cirque du Soleil show in Las Vegas.

There are reports circulating that xxxx will release 10 original albums, but that's not true. In addition to the release of "MICHAEL" on Tuesday, we're told there will be at least one other album with original songs and at most two.

first Q said the wouldnt dig in to the vaults and now he is blessing this by contributing ?

[Edited 12/13/10 22:29pm]

I wouldn't mind seeing a re-release of OTW with a few outtakes from the session.

I don't see many albums being released with unreleased MJ music. I think they'll give us about 2 more albums of unreleased music, and the rest will be re-releases. Again, I know that MJ recorded a lot of music, but I really feel so much of it is unfinished vocally...

ViintageJunkiie said:

I wouldn't mind seeing a re-release of OTW with a few outtakes from the session.

I don't see many albums being released with unreleased MJ music. I think they'll give us about 2 more albums of unreleased music, and the rest will be re-releases. Again, I know that MJ recorded a lot of music, but I really feel so much of it is unfinished vocally...

a saw a snippet of randy taraborelli saying the estate haas about 20 songs they feel worth releasing.

and how proud michael would have been of this album, that last i dont believe

motownlover said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I wouldn't mind seeing a re-release of OTW with a few outtakes from the session.

I don't see many albums being released with unreleased MJ music. I think they'll give us about 2 more albums of unreleased music, and the rest will be re-releases. Again, I know that MJ recorded a lot of music, but I really feel so much of it is unfinished vocally...

a saw a snippet of randy taraborelli saying the estate haas about 20 songs they feel worth releasing.

and how proud michael would have been of this album, that last i dont believe

I wish they would just release HQ versions of the already leaked records we have (Hot Street, Nite Line, Scared of the Moon...etc) but I see that they're goal is to create an album with a consistent flow rather than putting an album out just to appeal to the die hard fans hopefully songs like

Man in Black

Michael McKellar

Rolling The Dice

Stand Tall

The Toy

Buffalo Bill

Doing Dirty

Never Landing

and other gems Michael mentioned will surface...I really don't care much for anything after 1994 era

oceancrayon said:

HOLD THE PRESSES! the CASCIO tracks REALLY ARE MJ!!!

check this out:

@TeddyRiley1 Cascios claim there are no outtakes because they had to make room on hard drive. Is that true? - Dangerous_Inc

@Dangerous_Inc THEY DO HAVE A FEW. I WITNESS MYSELF AT THEIR HOME. AND PAPERWORK OF MJ WRITING, TEXT MSG FROM HIM MSGING EDDIE, AND MORE. - TeddyRiley1

papers and texts, it MUST be MJ!

god what a fucking loser, i once had faith in this man, but with him slamming everybody including Quincy, that man is lower than low with nothing but $$$ in his eyes, so disgusting.

So what your saying is Teddy Riley should have the ability to be insulted for a week straight, while at the time being very polite, and continue to do so.

He was polite for a week of MJ fans bashing him which im sure he is not used to hearing.

Now what? Keep a smile on his face and continue to answer questions without insulting them back. What MAN does that?

If anything is fake is SOME MJ fans and refusing to remember you insulted Teddy Riley for a week straight. while he continued to be nice. Finally the GHETTO came out of him

Who's fault is that? Had you not been so emotional and obsessed with dissing him, then he would have not responded like that. Stop lying and acting like he did this out the blue. Dude was cool and taking the negativity left and right and finally decided to fight back.

[Edited 12/13/10 23:16pm]

BabyBeMine said:

oceancrayon said:

HOLD THE PRESSES! the CASCIO tracks REALLY ARE MJ!!!

check this out:

@TeddyRiley1 Cascios claim there are no outtakes because they had to make room on hard drive. Is that true? - Dangerous_Inc

@Dangerous_Inc THEY DO HAVE A FEW. I WITNESS MYSELF AT THEIR HOME. AND PAPERWORK OF MJ WRITING, TEXT MSG FROM HIM MSGING EDDIE, AND MORE. - TeddyRiley1

papers and texts, it MUST be MJ!

god what a fucking loser, i once had faith in this man, but with him slamming everybody including Quincy, that man is lower than low with nothing but $$$ in his eyes, so disgusting.

So what your saying is Teddy Riley should have the ability to be insulted for a week straight, while at the time being very polite, and continue to do so.

He was polite for a week of MJ fans bashing him which im sure he is not used to hearing.

Now what? Keep a smile on his face and continue to answer questions without insulting them back. What MAN does that?

If anything is fake is SOME MJ fans and refusing to remember you insulted Teddy Riley for a week straight. while he continued to be nice. Finally the GHETTO came out of him

Who's fault is that? Had you not been so emotional and obsessed with dissing him, then he would have not responded like that. Stop lying and acting like he did this out the blue. Dude was cool and taking the negativity left and right and finally decided to fight back.

[Edited 12/13/10 23:16pm]

i don't know the man, haven't really figured out where he's coming from but of course he can't be called upon to take abuse, only a fool would.

So it appears as if my "Behind The Mask" OG Vibe clip is now making the rounds on a few more places than I originally posted. Just stumbled across a discussion about it on a French MJ forum, Google Translate helped me out a bit. Could be something lost in translation but it seems like one poster was accusing ME of adding bits to the song from other places? As if I would!

Anyway, I hope to work on the mix a little bit more today. It's very tricky but I'm making some good progress on it.

MyLuv229 said:

Not sure if this has been posted here already. I didn't get to check the last few pages of the last MJ thread..

This is a link the full download of Slave to the Rhythm. Love this song. Anyone know when it might have been recorded?

Thanks for sharing! [Although you aren't supposed to post links ]

This still isn't the full version, though. Someone has tried the best they could to paste together the snippets that have been released and remove the obnoxious DJ, but the bridge has been cut off. It's longer in another snippet I have. I wish the full version would just leak already.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Cinnamon234 said:

*Waiting for my copy of the album to ship from Amazon*

Wal - Mart has it already.

Man, I went up to the one near my house and didn't see it

I was thinking "Imma beat LBC's ass when I see him at the nWo potluck"

motownlover said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I wouldn't mind seeing a re-release of OTW with a few outtakes from the session.

I don't see many albums being released with unreleased MJ music. I think they'll give us about 2 more albums of unreleased music, and the rest will be re-releases. Again, I know that MJ recorded a lot of music, but I really feel so much of it is unfinished vocally...

a saw a snippet of randy taraborelli saying the estate haas about 20 songs they feel worth releasing.

and how proud michael would have been of this album, that last i dont believe

JRT....full of crap as always

They have over 100 songs but they probably won't release them all on "new albums" but on compilations like the Immortal World Tour and the OTW and Bad reissues

ViintageJunkiie said:

I wish they would just release HQ versions of the already leaked records we have (Hot Street, Nite Line, Scared of the Moon...etc)

You need to understand, that those tracks were DEMOS. They don't EXIST in "HQ versions", period. Well, apart from the fact that they were MP3's, not lossless audio. Demos are meant as a guideline for them to use when they are supposed to finish them - but never did.

Ok, Michael's vocals, for instance on "Hot Streets", sound like they could be "re-used". That's why, earlier in this thread, I tried to suggest suggest something along the lines of: take those vocal tracks from those unreleased gems (like "Hot Streets"), have Quincy at the helm, and finish them old-school style with an actual studio band (preferrably the guys who played on Off The Wall and Thriller), and then perhaps add them as "bonus" to some remastered edition.

(But I seem to be having a monologue on this forum, I guess you don't take kindly to newbies...so it's no wonder nobody listened...)

[Edited 12/14/10 3:26am]

Militant said:

So it appears as if my "Behind The Mask" OG Vibe clip is now making the rounds on a few more places than I originally posted. Just stumbled across a discussion about it on a French MJ forum, Google Translate helped me out a bit. Could be something lost in translation but it seems like one poster was accusing ME of adding bits to the song from other places? As if I would!

Anyway, I hope to work on the mix a little bit more today. It's very tricky but I'm making some good progress on it.

Holding breath, turning bright red, passing out.

SamSamba said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I wish they would just release HQ versions of the already leaked records we have (Hot Street, Nite Line, Scared of the Moon...etc)

You need to understand, that those tracks were DEMOS. They don't EXIST in "HQ versions", period. Well, apart from the fact that they were MP3's, not lossless audio. Demos are meant as a guideline for them to use when they are supposed to finish them - but never did.

Ok, Michael's vocals, for instance on "Hot Streets", sound like they could be "re-used". That's why, earlier in this thread, I tried to suggest suggest something along the lines of: take those vocal tracks from those unreleased gems (like "Hot Streets"), have Quincy at the helm, and finish them old-school style with an actual studio band (preferrably the guys who played on Off The Wall and Thriller), and then perhaps add them as "bonus" to some remastered edition.

(But I seem to be having a monologue on this forum, I guess you don't take kindly to newbies...so it's no wonder nobody listened...)

[Edited 12/14/10 3:26am]

That's not true. You're welcome!

I talked about the reverse of the coin. I don't want what you suggested at all. 'Hot Street' with todays production is a horrible thought to me, and i don't think that would be respectful to the musicians who performed originally. I've got it in WAV and it's really perfect. If CD's were around in '82 it would have made it on to 'Thriller'. I know Michael loved it and was reluctant to pull it.

The credits on the 'Ultimate Collection' are a bit ropey. 'Scared Of The Moon' doesn't sound like a demo to me. I think that's a finished production, no doubt about it. Same possibly goes for 'Cheater' and 'Sunset Driver'. Songs like these deserve a release on expanded versions of their respective albums. I think that'll happen alongside a few other demos and songs that just never made the cut.

MyLuv229 said:

Not sure if this has been posted here already. I didn't get to check the last few pages of the last MJ thread..

This is a link the full download of Slave to the Rhythm. Love this song. Anyone know when it might have been recorded?

[Snip - luv4u]

Dude...that's not the full song. That's the snippet copied, pasted and extended to make a 3 min 40 sec song.

Marrk said:

SamSamba said:

You need to understand, that those tracks were DEMOS. They don't EXIST in "HQ versions", period. Well, apart from the fact that they were MP3's, not lossless audio. Demos are meant as a guideline for them to use when they are supposed to finish them - but never did.

Ok, Michael's vocals, for instance on "Hot Streets", sound like they could be "re-used". That's why, earlier in this thread, I tried to suggest suggest something along the lines of: take those vocal tracks from those unreleased gems (like "Hot Streets"), have Quincy at the helm, and finish them old-school style with an actual studio band (preferrably the guys who played on Off The Wall and Thriller), and then perhaps add them as "bonus" to some remastered edition.

(But I seem to be having a monologue on this forum, I guess you don't take kindly to newbies...so it's no wonder nobody listened...)

[Edited 12/14/10 3:26am]

That's not true. You're welcome!

I talked about the reverse of the coin. I don't want what you suggested at all. 'Hot Street' with todays production is a horrible thought to me, and i don't think that would be respectful to the musicians who performed originally. I've got it in WAV and it's really perfect. If CD's were around in '82 it would have made it on to 'Thriller'. I know Michael loved it and was reluctant to pull it.

The credits on the 'Ultimate Collection' are a bit ropey. 'Scared Of The Moon' doesn't sound like a demo to me. I think that's a finished production, no doubt about it. Same possibly goes for 'Cheater' and 'Sunset Driver'. Songs like these deserve a release on expanded versions of their respective albums. I think that'll happen alongside a few other demos and songs that just never made the cut.

I agree. What's wrong with demo's? I'd slap my own Mother to hear every demo MJ ever recorded.

[Edited 12/14/10 4:28am]

bboy87 said:

motownlover said:

a saw a snippet of randy taraborelli saying the estate haas about 20 songs they feel worth releasing.

and how proud michael would have been of this album, that last i dont believe

JRT....full of crap as always

They have over 100 songs but they probably won't release them all on "new albums" but on compilations like the Immortal World Tour and the OTW and Bad reissues

if radny would be right they have 9 fraudcascio tracks and 11 others , that probally include place with no name , blue gangster , xscape , slave to the rythem and then the vault is about empty,..

anyway do you know if that thank you song was ever completed ? you are so beautifull"

They're fronting. There is a TON of material available. The way they are treating the fans is a disgrace and completely disrespectful. Not being upfront about songs in the vault, releasing songs as Michael Jackson that aren't even sung by him! Michael would be disgusted.

Vanilli said:

Regarding the cover of Michael:

Painting is like the illustrated biography of Michael Jackson Updated 1h 52m ago

By Bob Riha Jr., USA TODAY A wall full of memories: Artist Kadir Nelson, left, and Jackie Jackson, Michael's brother, in front of the 9-by-4.5-foot painting. By Andrea Mandell, USA TODAY LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson always knew how to stir the pot. Almost 18 months after the artist's death, fans have been speculating about the meaning behind the painting reprinted on the cover ofMichael, Jackson's posthumous album out today. Jackson's brother Jackie and the artist,Kadir Nelson, shared the story behind the CD cover in an exclusive interview. In 2003, while recording the song One More Chance, Jackson spotted a tribute painting ofMarvin Gaye's life in Gaye's studio. The King of Pop immediately dialed Nelson. "He said, 'I want one about me, but I want it to be bigger,' " Nelson says. "He was always like that," Jackie adds with a grin. "He wanted things big."But with Jackson's legal troubles mounting at the time, "it fell through the cracks," Nelson says. Two weeks after Jackson's death in June 2009, the 9-by-41/2-foot painting was recommissioned by his estate. In the painting, a portion of which is reproduced on the CD jacket and will appear in promotional posters, trivia-savvy fans will spot a spaceship, harking back to Jackson's 1982 E.T. collaboration, and a floating golden gavel, a nod to his courtroom drama. Jackson's children, Paris, Prince and "Blanket," appear in the painting multiple times. In one scene, they sit alongside Michael, his hand gripping a supersized water gun. Jackie says water guns were — and remain — a family favorite. "They've always got water guns down (at Hayvenhurst, the Jackson family home in Encino)," Jackie says, chuckling. "You have to be careful — they don't care what you're wearing." Nelson painted a host of Jackson's famous friends into the piece, but audiences will never see Elizabeth Taylor, Madonna, Oprah Winfrey and Debbie Rowe in reproductions. Nelson and Jackie say those famous folks withheld copyright permission and will be left out of released artwork. The most surprising refusal, Jackie says, was Taylor's. "All the things he's done for Liz Taylor," he murmurs, shaking his head. Who can be spotted in posters? Friends such as Naomi Campbell, Tatum O'Neal and ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley. There are 50 representations of the pop star in the supersized painting to commemorate the years he lived. "I had to count every day to make sure I was right on," says Nelson, who included a crowned goldfish trapped inside a bubble in his final tally. "Michael was so popular, he lived (like a fish) in a bubble." For the dominant image of Jackson in the painting, Nelson focused on the idea of royalty, putting Michael in a suit of armor with his hand placed over his heart, "because Michael put his heart into everything that he did," Nelson says. Jackie gestures to a tiny Volkswagen in the painting that reminds him of the early years. "The bus," he says, remembering how "freezing, going to Chicago in the cold and the snow," they were back then, "taking instruments out of that bus and slipping on the ice." Today, he says, the family is still healing from Michael's death: "It's something you never get over. "

Source:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2010-12-14-michaelalbum14_ST_N.htm

I wonder why Liz Taylor refused.She was Michael's best friend!

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[Edited 12/14/10 4:40am]

Same reason she didn't turn up to the memorial. That type of thing is just not her style. She loved Michael without a doubt. That should not be questioned. Jackie shouldn't take it the wrong way.

Marrk said:

SamSamba said:

You need to understand, that those tracks were DEMOS. They don't EXIST in "HQ versions", period. Well, apart from the fact that they were MP3's, not lossless audio. Demos are meant as a guideline for them to use when they are supposed to finish them - but never did.

Ok, Michael's vocals, for instance on "Hot Streets", sound like they could be "re-used". That's why, earlier in this thread, I tried to suggest suggest something along the lines of: take those vocal tracks from those unreleased gems (like "Hot Streets"), have Quincy at the helm, and finish them old-school style with an actual studio band (preferrably the guys who played on Off The Wall and Thriller), and then perhaps add them as "bonus" to some remastered edition.

(But I seem to be having a monologue on this forum, I guess you don't take kindly to newbies...so it's no wonder nobody listened...)

[Edited 12/14/10 3:26am]

That's not true. You're welcome!

I talked about the reverse of the coin. I don't want what you suggested at all. 'Hot Street' with todays production is a horrible thought to me, and i don't think that would be respectful to the musicians who performed originally.

Same possibly goes for 'Cheater' and 'Sunset Driver'.

Did you even bother reading my post(s)? I've never in one way or other said that those songs should be produced utilizing "today's production" (your words, but I know what you mean). Even above, I suggested that they take just the vocal track, and produce it old school with an actual studio band, preferrably the guys who played on those records. It's very possible to produce an analog-sounding record these days, you don't HAVE to have Lady GaGa's synth sounds on everything because of the fact it's produced in 2010. Mostly that's the case because "today's music" is being produced (note: this word has also changed its meaning these days, today it means a sort of jack-of-all-trades working alone on a computer) by a single dude, not an actual band playing charts. Anyway - what I'm saying is that the equipment those old LP's were recorded on certainly hasn't disappeared.

Also, I think you're confusing SOUND/AUDIO QUALITY with a FINISHED TRACK. Just because a track sounds "ok", doesn't mean it's actually finished. I'll give you an example: compare the raw "Starlight Sun" to the finished "Thriller". Yes, the electric piano and synth brass parts, the basic structure is all there - but it's in no way finished. You catch my drift? The playing isn't tight enough, they would arrange and add more synth parts, multiple tracks after tracks.

And yes, some of those tracks were more finished than others, but I'd still argue that for example "Sunset Driver", as "complete" as it sounds, is still a demo or at least unfinished.

Anyway, I suggested all this as a viable ALTERNATIVE to what they did on "Michael", originally. I'm not actually claiming that those tracks should be tampered with. I'd be more than happy if they just took them, mixed and mastered them for release. I love 'em as it is.

^^I like the idea of taking the old vocals,bringing in a real band of musicians (preferably the same ones who played on 'OTW' and 'Thriller') and producing/finishing these songs Old School style.I dislike the idea of taking old,unfinished tracks and "modernizing" them to sound like 2010.My feeling is,if a song was originally written and recorded in 1982,THAT'S the era I want it to sound like.

BabyBeMine said:

oceancrayon said:

HOLD THE PRESSES! the CASCIO tracks REALLY ARE MJ!!!

check this out:

@TeddyRiley1 Cascios claim there are no outtakes because they had to make room on hard drive. Is that true? - Dangerous_Inc

@Dangerous_Inc THEY DO HAVE A FEW. I WITNESS MYSELF AT THEIR HOME. AND PAPERWORK OF MJ WRITING, TEXT MSG FROM HIM MSGING EDDIE, AND MORE. - TeddyRiley1

papers and texts, it MUST be MJ!

god what a fucking loser, i once had faith in this man, but with him slamming everybody including Quincy, that man is lower than low with nothing but $$$ in his eyes, so disgusting.

So what your saying is Teddy Riley should have the ability to be insulted for a week straight, while at the time being very polite, and continue to do so.

He was polite for a week of MJ fans bashing him which im sure he is not used to hearing.

Now what? Keep a smile on his face and continue to answer questions without insulting them back. What MAN does that?

If anything is fake is SOME MJ fans and refusing to remember you insulted Teddy Riley for a week straight. while he continued to be nice. Finally the GHETTO came out of him

Who's fault is that? Had you not been so emotional and obsessed with dissing him, then he would have not responded like that. Stop lying and acting like he did this out the blue. Dude was cool and taking the negativity left and right and finally decided to fight back.

[Edited 12/13/10 23:16pm]

Where are in the book inlay pictures? I didnt want to purchase anything with fakes on it.

(I Like) The Way You Love Me is the best track on the album

followed Behind the Mask

Monster is unlistenable..

[Edited 12/14/10 8:49am]

The Estate sent me a copyright takedown notice and Tumblr removed my "Behind The Mask" OG Vibe clip!!!! Bastards. It's still on my SoundCloud though

Ok, am I going to be the first stan to ask about projected album sales?