bboy87 said:

Swa said:

Yeah that was from the full length HuffingtonPost article posted a few pages back that everyone pretty much called bullshit on.

I think the more we dig the more we will find we are all right to some degree, lol.

Michael is on the track, and supporting vocals are others which is what I was trying to say yesterday with my breakdown. Again this was called bullshit.

Who knows. I don't know how this will be resolved.

If the estate comes out and says all the research and investigation proves its not MJ and apologise, then as I have always said I'll be here saying I was wrong.

But what if it comes out that Michael is on the track, and many people have written it off saying its not him. What will they do then? Admit their mistake too?

I truly think for all the controversy it has caused the questionable tracks should be removed until this is confirmed 100%.

I think in all honesty the Cascio's scrambled to finish a track Michael may have lost interest in or abandoned all together. And thus in fleshing it out they filled out the vocals etc etc. That doesn't mean Michael isn't on the track though.

I don't know. All I can say is what is my point of view and hope I am respected right or wrong.

If it comes out I am 100% wrong I personally won't mind, and would hope no one on here would attack me for it. Likewise if it comes out Michael is on the track, I wouldn't attack others for admitting they were wrong also.

That's all I'm gonna say on it - as I feel some of the comments coming back now are starting to move into personal attacks and none of us want that.

Swa

I agree. I listened to it 3 times about an hour ago and there ARE parts that are Michael but a lot of other parts, definitely on the lead vocal that aren't

I just finished listening to Teddy Riley's interview and I agree with him on these points

-He was a true friend to Michael. It's possible if these songs are in fact NOT Michael, the estate along with Teddy were duped and someone is to blame for that.

-It's important to keep the legacy going (which is why I'm still going to buy the album). Michael did too much good for for his family and the fans to let it go to waste. I see fans saying "If this album flops, the ATV catalog is going to be sold!" but then turn around and say "Boycott Sony and the album!" choose one side please.....

-This could very well be a smear campaign. IMO, all of this bickering, going to the tabloids, so called friends and associates talking about his children, his family doing interviews talking about the plastic surgery and medication, and just being divided in general isn't helping his legacy

-Although there was addiction problems in the past, Michael had VALID reasons for taking medication for his skin disorder and other health issues. I remember when he passed away and all those articles were citing FAKE autopsy reports saying they had found mophine, demorol, xanax, and every other form of medication/drug under the sun and that his nose was prosthetic and all that noise but then the real one came out and it pretty much said the opposite and those same people who wrote those articles were very quiet because it didn't fit with what they wanted.

I feels as if this man's legacy is in trouble and everyone from his family, estate, and fans are contributing to it

It's been in trouble since he was confirmed dead.

But the vocals that say 'Everybody wanting a piece of Michael Jackson' are the same vocals doing EVERYTHING ELSE. Apart from the odd 'WOO', which were taken from the You Rock My World acapella. I'm sorry but nobody will EVER convince me that these are MJ's vocals. This is all bollocks.

This 'James Porte' guy is probably the guy who says 'Jackson' every now and then and I still reckon it's Jason Malachi singing or someone who sounds like him. Maybe it is James Porte, in which case it still isn't MJ. I know for a big fat fucking fact that this ain't MJ.

Still don't get how Michael Jackson 'fans' are still thinking it's him. This is the only time I question peoples 'fandom'. Sorry.

Japha11 said:

But the vocals that say 'Everybody wanting a piece of Michael Jackson' are the same vocals doing EVERYTHING ELSE. Apart from the odd 'WOO', which were taken from the You Rock My World acapella. I'm sorry but nobody will EVER convince me that these are MJ's vocals. This is all bollocks.

This 'James Porte' guy is probably the guy who says 'Jackson' every now and then and I still reckon it's Jason Malachi singing or someone who sounds like him. Maybe it is James Porte, in which case it still isn't MJ. I know for a big fat fucking fact that this ain't MJ.

Still don't get how Michael Jackson 'fans' are still thinking it's him. This is the only time I question peoples 'fandom'. Sorry.

That's why I say maybe this is the guy who sang on most of the track lol if not Malachi, somebody else. And if he very much admitted to it, we got another Valerie Simpson on our hands. Valerie submitted for Tammi in her and Marvin's final duet album though Valerie still insists Tammi was on it.

RING ANY BELL?

I'm still not convinced that's MJ. Mr. Porte is the culprit he just don't wanna reveal nothing else.

As for Teddy... whatever.

From J. Randy Taraborrelli regarding "Breaking News"

(Glad to know he is looking into this mess.)

Hey guys,

Wow...I've been completely bombarded with private email today here at Facebook and over at my web site over the huge controversy regarding... well, c'mon, you all know what it's regarding.

I know you guys trust me and I really appreciate that, and that's why I'm not going to venture an opinion on this thing until I absolutely know for sure what the deal is with it. Thanks so much for telling me what you think. I could tell you what I think in return, but that's not factual and I believe you want facts from me right now, not my own little speculation to add to the mix. So, I'm holding back until I know something for sure. I talked to many of the key players over the weekend and today, and basically those who believe it is Mike hold firm to that, and those who do not are equally firm in their view. So there's nothing new in any of that.

I believe the truth will surface soon. I'm working on it.

Don't want to let you down so - as the biographer - I think the right thing for me to do is to keep my trap shut until I can say for sure one way or the other.

Okay? Cool. Doesn't mean I don't want to know what YOU think, though. It's you guys who can make or break this new MJ project, not me. So, keep the email coming.

Your friend,

J. Randy

Vanilli said:

From J. Randy Taraborrelli regarding "Breaking News"

(Glad to know he is looking into this mess.)

Hey guys,

Wow...I've been completely bombarded with private email today here at Facebook and over at my web site over the huge controversy regarding... well, c'mon, you all know what it's regarding.

I know you guys trust me and I really appreciate that, and that's why I'm not going to venture an opinion on this thing until I absolutely know for sure what the deal is with it. Thanks so much for telling me what you think. I could tell you what I think in return, but that's not factual and I believe you want facts from me right now, not my own little speculation to add to the mix. So, I'm holding back until I know something for sure. I talked to many of the key players over the weekend and today, and basically those who believe it is Mike hold firm to that, and those who do not are equally firm in their view. So there's nothing new in any of that.

I believe the truth will surface soon. I'm working on it.

Don't want to let you down so - as the biographer - I think the right thing for me to do is to keep my trap shut until I can say for sure one way or the other.

Okay? Cool. Doesn't mean I don't want to know what YOU think, though. It's you guys who can make or break this new MJ project, not me. So, keep the email coming.

Your friend,

J. Randy

But why are fans going to him about it? It's obvious he knows nothing about the situation

bboy87 said:

Vanilli said:

From J. Randy Taraborrelli regarding "Breaking News"

(Glad to know he is looking into this mess.)

Hey guys,

Wow...I've been completely bombarded with private email today here at Facebook and over at my web site over the huge controversy regarding... well, c'mon, you all know what it's regarding.

I know you guys trust me and I really appreciate that, and that's why I'm not going to venture an opinion on this thing until I absolutely know for sure what the deal is with it. Thanks so much for telling me what you think. I could tell you what I think in return, but that's not factual and I believe you want facts from me right now, not my own little speculation to add to the mix. So, I'm holding back until I know something for sure. I talked to many of the key players over the weekend and today, and basically those who believe it is Mike hold firm to that, and those who do not are equally firm in their view. So there's nothing new in any of that.

I believe the truth will surface soon. I'm working on it.

Don't want to let you down so - as the biographer - I think the right thing for me to do is to keep my trap shut until I can say for sure one way or the other.

Okay? Cool. Doesn't mean I don't want to know what YOU think, though. It's you guys who can make or break this new MJ project, not me. So, keep the email coming.

Your friend,

J. Randy

But why are fans going to him about it? It's obvious he knows nothing about the situation

Are you shocked they would? Some folks go to any extreme they can. Don't know why they do.

bboy87 said:

Vanilli said:

From J. Randy Taraborrelli regarding "Breaking News"

(Glad to know he is looking into this mess.)

Hey guys,

Wow...I've been completely bombarded with private email today here at Facebook and over at my web site over the huge controversy regarding... well, c'mon, you all know what it's regarding.

I know you guys trust me and I really appreciate that, and that's why I'm not going to venture an opinion on this thing until I absolutely know for sure what the deal is with it. Thanks so much for telling me what you think. I could tell you what I think in return, but that's not factual and I believe you want facts from me right now, not my own little speculation to add to the mix. So, I'm holding back until I know something for sure. I talked to many of the key players over the weekend and today, and basically those who believe it is Mike hold firm to that, and those who do not are equally firm in their view. So there's nothing new in any of that.

I believe the truth will surface soon. I'm working on it.

Don't want to let you down so - as the biographer - I think the right thing for me to do is to keep my trap shut until I can say for sure one way or the other.

Okay? Cool. Doesn't mean I don't want to know what YOU think, though. It's you guys who can make or break this new MJ project, not me. So, keep the email coming.

Your friend,

J. Randy

But why are fans going to him about it? It's obvious he knows nothing about the situation

I'm waiting on Mesereau

I can definitely see where Cory Rooney is going with this.

Timmy84 said:

Japha11 said:

But the vocals that say 'Everybody wanting a piece of Michael Jackson' are the same vocals doing EVERYTHING ELSE. Apart from the odd 'WOO', which were taken from the You Rock My World acapella. I'm sorry but nobody will EVER convince me that these are MJ's vocals. This is all bollocks.

This 'James Porte' guy is probably the guy who says 'Jackson' every now and then and I still reckon it's Jason Malachi singing or someone who sounds like him. Maybe it is James Porte, in which case it still isn't MJ. I know for a big fat fucking fact that this ain't MJ.

Still don't get how Michael Jackson 'fans' are still thinking it's him. This is the only time I question peoples 'fandom'. Sorry.

That's why I say maybe this is the guy who sang on most of the track lol if not Malachi, somebody else. And if he very much admitted to it, we got another Valerie Simpson on our hands. Valerie submitted for Tammi in her and Marvin's final duet album though Valerie still insists Tammi was on it.

RING ANY BELL?

I'm still not convinced that's MJ. Mr. Porte is the culprit he just don't wanna reveal nothing else.

As for Teddy... whatever.

Haha at the end of they day... we know that this is neeevverr MJ. Why are people in denial?

Timmy84 said:

I can definitely see where Cory Rooney is going with this.

I see both sides, his and Teddy's

I agree on several things Teddy said in that interview (although not all about the music, but Michael using medication, how people are protecting his legacy, and the estate and family's bickering)

Cory's statements now co-incide with what Taryll and TJ said. Like, foreal? HOW ERASES THE KANG'S VOCALS?! I still have VHS tapes from 1999-2001 of nothing but Michael old ass casette tapes with the radio premiere of You Rock My World and the promo version of Butterflies It's something you just don't do

Looking at it, Teddy's last words in the interview got me thinking about conspiracies...lawd

[Edited 11/10/10 15:14pm]

bboy87 said:

Vanilli said:

From J. Randy Taraborrelli regarding "Breaking News"

(Glad to know he is looking into this mess.)

Hey guys,

Wow...I've been completely bombarded with private email today here at Facebook and over at my web site over the huge controversy regarding... well, c'mon, you all know what it's regarding.

I know you guys trust me and I really appreciate that, and that's why I'm not going to venture an opinion on this thing until I absolutely know for sure what the deal is with it. Thanks so much for telling me what you think. I could tell you what I think in return, but that's not factual and I believe you want facts from me right now, not my own little speculation to add to the mix. So, I'm holding back until I know something for sure. I talked to many of the key players over the weekend and today, and basically those who believe it is Mike hold firm to that, and those who do not are equally firm in their view. So there's nothing new in any of that.

I believe the truth will surface soon. I'm working on it.

Don't want to let you down so - as the biographer - I think the right thing for me to do is to keep my trap shut until I can say for sure one way or the other.

Okay? Cool. Doesn't mean I don't want to know what YOU think, though. It's you guys who can make or break this new MJ project, not me. So, keep the email coming.

Your friend,

J. Randy

But why are fans going to him about it? It's obvious he knows nothing about the situation

His sources likely do, and that is who is checking in with. And I'd rather go by his sources then

Roger's or Harvey's. Also, it is refreshing to have an unbiased reporter...he said, "those who believe it is Mike hold firm to that, and those who do not are equally firm in their view. So there's nothing new in any of that." - as opposed to Roger and Harvey who force feed their readers, "It REALLY is Michael" from the night it premiered. Plus, love JRT or hate him, his book is the definitive bio book on the King of Pop..well until you write your bio of him bboy.

Plus, I'm also glad he is researching when the post article has that bs, basically trying to

make it like this song has more support from fans and HAS TO BE HIM. Nope. That song

ain't Michael and no excuses or justifications will ever make me believe other-wise.

Vanilli said:

bboy87 said:

But why are fans going to him about it? It's obvious he knows nothing about the situation

His sources likely do, and that is who is checking in with. And I'd rather go by his sources then

Roger's or Harvey's. Also, it is refreshing to have an unbiased reporter...he said, "those who believe it is Mike hold firm to that, and those who do not are equally firm in their view. So there's nothing new in any of that." - as opposed to Roger and Harvey who force feed their readers, "It REALLY is Michael" from the night it premiered. Plus, love JRT or hate him, his book is the definitive bio book on the King of Pop..well until you write your bio of him bboy.

Plus, I'm also glad he is researching when the post article has that bs, basically trying to

make it like this song has more support from fans and HAS TO BE HIM. Nope. That song

ain't Michael and no excuses or justifications will ever make me believe other-wise.

That article was biased anyway.

My point is this... even if it's partially Michael's vocals on there (to me ad libs only) WHY use a song with "supported vocals" of whatever bullshit they wanna call it. WHY not release a full song that is only Michael? There are plenty of those in the vault. A FIRST Album project since his passing doesn't need ANY support from so called other vocalists. Fuck that.

Just out of curiosity is it true that Jeffrey Daniels taught MJ some of his dance moves? and why has there never been an MJ pic thread up in here?

NMuzakNSoul said:

My point is this... even if it's partially Michael's vocals on there (to me ad libs only) WHY use a song with "supported vocals" of whatever bullshit they wanna call it. WHY not release a full song that is only Michael? There are plenty of those in the vault. A FIRST Album project since his passing doesn't need ANY support from so called other vocalists. Fuck that.

They're trying to hypnotize people into believing it.

Michael wrote tons of tracks for his major albums and then inbetween those albums. i bet you there are at least 60-100 songs that can be finished and released that don't need any support vocalist...lol

Support vocals. HAH!

MICHAEL JACKSON DID NOT NEED SUPPORT VOCALS!

How would he need "support vocals" when he's not on the majority of the song?

NMuzakNSoul said:

Michael wrote tons of tracks for his major albums and then inbetween those albums. i bet you there are at least 60-100 songs that can be finished and released that don't need any support vocalist...lol

Exactly!

I'm not changing my opinion to soothe. Whatever the case as to why they put up that song, whether cotnroversy it's crap that fans of Michael's work have to start guessing as to why. That is crap. So I'm not settling for anything. No matter what anyone says a new MJ album since his passing with 4 songs that has a supported vocalists...screw all of that. There is absolutely no reason for that. Even if it was 50% support 50% Michael there isn't.

Unholyalliance said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

I'm not changing my opinion to soothe. Whatever the case as to why they put up that song, whether cotnroversy it's crap that fans of Michael's work have to start guessing as to why. That is crap. So I'm not settling for anything. No matter what anyone says a new MJ album since his passing with 4 songs that has a supported vocalists...screw all of that. There is absolutely no reason for that. Even if it was 50% support 50% Michael there isn't.

50/50 is bad.

found another registration re Cascio tracks NOT the MJ songbook one,

Relevance:
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu003478985 / 2010-03-18
Application Title: ASON COMPILATION 9 of 13.
Title: ASON COMPILATION 9 of 13.
Description: Electronic file (eService)
Copyright Claimant: AFFINITY-ANGELIKSON, Transfer: By written agreement. Address: 707 Surrey Lane, Franklin Lakes, NJ, 07417, United States.
Date of Creation: 2007
Authorship on Application: Edward Cascio; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics, musical arrangement, text, editing, Production.
James Porte; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics, musical arrangement, text, editing, Production.
Michael Jackson, -2009; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics.
Rights and Permissions: James Porte, Angelikson Productions, 883 Huron Rd, Franklin Lakes, NJ, 07417, United States, jamesporte@gmail.com
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.

Names: Cascio, Edward
Porte, James
Jackson, Michael, -2009
AFFINITY-ANGELIKSON

STILL no individual song titles registered just a compilation!!!

BUT it does have James Portes email address on it!!!!!

Timmy84 said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

I'm not changing my opinion to soothe. Whatever the case as to why they put up that song, whether cotnroversy it's crap that fans of Michael's work have to start guessing as to why. That is crap. So I'm not settling for anything. No matter what anyone says a new MJ album since his passing with 4 songs that has a supported vocalists...screw all of that. There is absolutely no reason for that. Even if it was 50% support 50% Michael there isn't.

50/50 is bad.

yeah... it is, and it ain't even 50/50...its more like 80% FAKE MOFO 20% Mike. lol. and thats a stretch...ad libs dont really count cutting and pasting shouldnt even be needed.

MothaFunky said:

found another registration re Cascio tracks NOT the MJ songbook one,

Relevance:
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu003478985 / 2010-03-18
Application Title: ASON COMPILATION 9 of 13.
Title: ASON COMPILATION 9 of 13.
Description: Electronic file (eService)
Copyright Claimant: AFFINITY-ANGELIKSON, Transfer: By written agreement. Address: 707 Surrey Lane, Franklin Lakes, NJ, 07417, United States.
Date of Creation: 2007
Authorship on Application: Edward Cascio; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics, musical arrangement, text, editing, Production.
James Porte; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics, musical arrangement, text, editing, Production.
Michael Jackson, -2009; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics.
Rights and Permissions: James Porte, Angelikson Productions, 883 Huron Rd, Franklin Lakes, NJ, 07417, United States, jamesporte@gmail.com
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.

Names: Cascio, Edward
Porte, James
Jackson, Michael, -2009
AFFINITY-ANGELIKSON

STILL no individual song titles registered just a compilation!!!

BUT it does have James Portes email address on it!!!!!

That's just fucking weird.

nursev said:

Just out of curiosity is it true that Jeffrey Daniels taught MJ some of his dance moves? and why has there never been an MJ pic thread up in here?

Yeah, he helped teach Michael how to pop and how to moonwalk along with Michael "Boogaloo Shrimp" Chambers, Geron Candidate and Cooley Jackson. They would help Michael on getting a certain step right. He would take what they would teach him and put his own style into the moves.

Jeff taught Michael the moonwalk and then Michael went and put his own thing on it. Jeff's moonwalk and Michael's moonwalk have a different.....thang to them I don't know how to explain it but being a dancer, I see a huge difference

I always thought it was funny how Stephanie Mills dated BOTH of them

NMuzakNSoul said:

Timmy84 said:

50/50 is bad.

yeah... it is, and it ain't even 50/50...its more like 80% FAKE MOFO 20% Mike. lol. and thats a stretch...ad libs dont really count cutting and pasting shouldnt even be needed.

Yeah I know what you mean. I said in another site they photoshopped the hell out of this shit.

Sigh. lol.

I know my way around mixing and recording...my dad did a studio sound technician study...there is no way that teddy didn't hear that while youre mixing that with HEADPHONES on. lol

They asked stevie if he thought it was fake he said he didnt hear it yet....so u will hear from him soon. lol.

NMuzakNSoul said:

Sigh. lol.

I know my way around mixing and recording...my dad did a studio sound technician study...there is no way that teddy didn't hear that while youre mixing that with HEADPHONES on. lol

They asked stevie if he thought it was fake he said he didnt hear it yet....so u will hear from him soon. lol.

Let us know hahaha

bboy87 said:

nursev said:

Just out of curiosity is it true that Jeffrey Daniels taught MJ some of his dance moves? and why has there never been an MJ pic thread up in here?

Yeah, he helped teach Michael how to pop and how to moonwalk along with Michael "Boogaloo Shrimp" Chambers, Geron Candidate and Cooley Jackson. They would help Michael on getting a certain step right. He would take what they would teach him and put his own style into the moves.

Jeff taught Michael the moonwalk and then Michael went and put his own thing on it. Jeff's moonwalk and Michael's moonwalk have a different.....thang to them I don't know how to explain it but being a dancer, I see a huge difference

I always thought it was funny how Stephanie Mills dated BOTH of them

Wasn't Boogaloo Shrimp in Breakin? Maybe that was Turbo Anyway, I saw jeffrey's moonwalk and ur right Michael took it and did his "thang" with it I know Steph wishes she had never dated that woman beating Jeffrey, but how could she let MJ go? I mean seriously WTF!