bboy87 said:

-Dr Dre is a glorified beatmaker

-on the production level....Chad solo is better than Pharrell solo

-Although I love them both like play cousins , Prince and Michael did just as much harm to black music although they did good

-Heartbreak< Don't Be Cruel (DBC is only good for side A)

-Stevie's 80s output is just as strong as his 70s output

-Beyonce is NOT a dancer

What do you mean?

bboy87 said:

-Dr Dre is a glorified beatmaker

(DJ Quik beats his ass by a mile)

-on the production level....Chad solo is better than Pharrell solo

(I need to check that out!)

-Although I love them both like play cousins , Prince and Michael did just as much harm to black music although they did good

(Explain. Unless, you're talking about spawning talentless hacks like Chris Brown and JT. )

-Heartbreak< Don't Be Cruel (DBC is only good for side A)

(Don't Be Cruel is a great album)

-Stevie's 80s output is just as strong as his 70s output

( )

-Beyonce is NOT a dancer

( She can dance, but she's no Janet. )

Again?

Meh.

Layzie said:

NastradumasKid said:

Hey Layzie!!!!

I like MJ, but Thriller is VERY overrated.

SWV is better than Xscape.

Alexander O Neal is wasted talent.

Usher's "Yeah" was such a lame ass song. I'm glad people don't play that shit on the radio anymore.

Ice Cube should retire from rapping.

Hey, gurl!

Anything else you would like to share in this thread?

Layzie said:

bboy87 said:

-Dr Dre is a glorified beatmaker

-on the production level....Chad solo is better than Pharrell solo

-Although I love them both like play cousins , Prince and Michael did just as much harm to black music although they did good

-Heartbreak< Don't Be Cruel (DBC is only good for side A)

-Stevie's 80s output is just as strong as his 70s output

-Beyonce is NOT a dancer

What do you mean?

Somebody made a thread on Okayplayer about it and I had to agree in some parts. With Prince's brillance and skill for production and being able to do it all himself, record labels began looking for more "one man band" performers, making it cliche

Also with Prince forming groups like Vanity/Appolonia 6, he kinda laid the blueprint for several girl groups today (with less satisfying results) like Pussycat Dolls and Electrik Red, who both somewhat use the Vanity 6 image

With Michael, his vocals, dancing, and overall package gave way to record labels overflooding the market with dancers with high tenor voices and flashy clothing, thus giving the world people like Chris Brown, Usher, Lloyd and others

I'll post the Okayplayer post in a second

[Edited 7/14/10 14:30pm]

NastradumasKid said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Guns N Roses was the best of the 1980s American rock bands

(I don't listen to them)

Outkast is/was the best hip hop group of the past 15 years.

(They sucked once they went mainstream.)

Commercialism destroyed lyricism in hip hop

(For real!!!!!!)

Digable Planets could have been bigger

( I guess)

Ludacris > TI

( TI is lame.)

The Rock N Roll Hall of Fame should change their entrance requirements before the likes of Spears, Timberlake, Bieber and others are positioned next to Jimi, The Beatles, MJ, Stevie, and Prince

( Seriously...)

The 1960s Brit rock groups appreciated the true heart of American rock n roll.

( I don't know.)

Chaka > Aretha

( Chaka is pretty than her also.)

Planet Earth > New Power Soul

( I don't care for either one.)

3121 should have been released before Musicology

( I like both of them.)

Suge Knight knows more than he is telling

( That's not even an unpopular opinion, that guy is just creepy!)

Walk this Way collaboration is way overrated

(It is.)

MJ > Elvis

( )

Thriller destroyed MTV in the long run

( Explain)

Nas (when on point) is superior to Jay Z

( Hell yeah!!!)

Flavor Flav has tarnished the impact of Public Enemy with his buffoonery

(To some extent, yeah.)

The 1970s RnB/soul music scene > any other era

(the 80s R&B is second.)

Real Muthafuckin G's is the greatest dis song ever

(Never heard that one.)

When an artist reaches a certain age, we should expect them to tread water and not be innovative anylonger.

( Like Usher for example?)

About my Thriller comment---After that video, every artist began to think they were Martin Scorsese/John Landis/ and Steven Spielberg. Record companies started to dictate to some degree what songs on an album would make an ideal video, give the artist some creative leeway and wham, you have some memorable videos and some cringe inducing videos. Lyrics suffered because everyone wanted to make a song that attempted to tell a story and did not always have the talent to pull it off. Thriller raised the bar so high that the only person to top it was MJ himself on several occasions, sometimes within the same album. I hate most music videos because they are so formulaic now that it becomes stale.

bboy87 said:

Layzie said:

What do you mean?

Somebody made a thread on Okayplayer about it and I had to agree in some parts. With Prince's brillance and skill for production and being able to do it all himself, record labels began looking for more "one man band" performers, making it cliche

Also with Prince forming groups like Vanity/Appolonia 6, he kinda laid the blueprint for several girl groups today (with less satisfying results) like Pussycat Dolls and Electrik Red, who both somewhat use the Vanity 6 image

With Michael, his vocals, dancing, and overall package gave way to record labels overflooding the market with dancers with high tenor voices and flashy clothing, thus giving the world people like Chris Brown, Usher, Lloyd and others

I'll post the Okayplayer post in a second

[Edited 7/14/10 14:30pm]

I know exactly what you mean!!!!!! I agree!!!!! Especially with MJ and his wannabes.

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

NastradumasKid said:

About my Thriller comment---After that video, every artist began to think they were Martin Scorsese/John Landis/ and Steven Spielberg. Record companies started to dictate to some degree what songs on an album would make an ideal video, give the artist some creative leeway and wham, you have some memorable videos and some cringe inducing videos. Lyrics suffered because everyone wanted to make a song that attempted to tell a story and did not always have the talent to pull it off. Thriller raised the bar so high that the only person to top it was MJ himself on several occasions, sometimes within the same album. I hate most music videos because they are so formulaic now that it becomes stale.

Thank you for elaborating man!!!!! I see what you mean. I don't care much for music videos anymore, many of them are terrible. Already been done type of scenario.

Thriller kind of stunted MJ, as an artist.

Kanye West is very talented, but his asshole attitude is very annoying.

If it he wasn't a producer and had his own label, Diddy would have been working at McDonalds.

Lil Wayne's "Go DJ" is a good song.

"Fight The Power" is a song most, but not all, white people like.

Lionel Richie, as a solo artist, wasn't anything to holler about.

Kirk Franklin's music isn't that great

Ginuwine's "When Doves Cry" is/was much worst when MC Hammer sampled "WDC" for "Pray".

Non-musical

Crooklyn was a lot more enjoyable than Do the Right Thing

--The Boondocks has made some of the best music in the past 3 years (Homies over Hoes, D*** Riding for Obama, Eff Grandad) Indeed.

--Ain't No Sunshine is superior to Lean on Me. The degree of separation is so smallt hat it's hard for a comparison to be made.

--Tom Petty is way underrated in the rock world. Indeed.

--Riders on the Storm (The Doors) is their best song There's a case.

--Due to the way multi media is now, "underground" music really does not exist. It is just an underplayed/underpromoted version of whatever happening in the mainstream. So it should be called the Underplayed.

--George Harrison growth was hindered by the McCartney/Lennon catalogue. could "overshadowed" be equally applicable.

--Body Count was a decent rap/rock group Their publicity was bad publicity in the long run.

--If Elvis is the King, then Chuck Berry is the "God" of Rock and Roll Let's say High Priest.

--Nickelback and Creed are the two worst groups of the past 15 years D/K.

--American Idol was/is/always will be garbage can't argue

--Although the Beatles were the most influential group of the classic rock era, Queen was the most musically diverse. Hmm.

--The Sex Pistols were overrated can't say 1 way or another.

-Ice Cube's "Death Certificate">"The Predator" no doubt.

-The Chronic is a CLASSIC album, regardless of genre. okay.

--Nas Illmatic was his strongest album indeed

--George Michael is one of the greatest vocalists of all time. hmm.

--Aerosmith >Kiss I can see that.

--MJ needs a proper and final tribute concert to end all tribute concerts. No more of the quickly pasted together award show tributes with flubbed lyrics, tacky presentation, and no real sense of who MJ was. His impact was cross genre and cross generational and his tribute should reflect this. It won't happen as long as the family wants a share of the spotlight for their own purposes

NastradumasKid said:

I'll even go as far to saying that Curtis was a genius.

When you get there it will be standing room only because he was.

Weezer is every bit as awful as nickelback.

namepeace said:

--The Boondocks has made some of the best music in the past 3 years (Homies over Hoes, D*** Riding for Obama, Eff Grandad) Indeed.

--Ain't No Sunshine is superior to Lean on Me. The degree of separation is so smallt hat it's hard for a comparison to be made.

--Tom Petty is way underrated in the rock world. Indeed.

--Riders on the Storm (The Doors) is their best song There's a case.

--Due to the way multi media is now, "underground" music really does not exist. It is just an underplayed/underpromoted version of whatever happening in the mainstream. So it should be called the Underplayed.

--George Harrison growth was hindered by the McCartney/Lennon catalogue. could "overshadowed" be equally applicable.

--Body Count was a decent rap/rock group Their publicity was bad publicity in the long run.

--If Elvis is the King, then Chuck Berry is the "God" of Rock and Roll Let's say High Priest.

--Nickelback and Creed are the two worst groups of the past 15 years D/K.

--American Idol was/is/always will be garbage can't argue

--Although the Beatles were the most influential group of the classic rock era, Queen was the most musically diverse. Hmm.

--The Sex Pistols were overrated can't say 1 way or another.

-Ice Cube's "Death Certificate">"The Predator" no doubt.

-The Chronic is a CLASSIC album, regardless of genre. okay.

--Nas Illmatic was his strongest album indeed

--George Michael is one of the greatest vocalists of all time. hmm.

--Aerosmith >Kiss I can see that.

--MJ needs a proper and final tribute concert to end all tribute concerts. No more of the quickly pasted together award show tributes with flubbed lyrics, tacky presentation, and no real sense of who MJ was. His impact was cross genre and cross generational and his tribute should reflect this. It won't happen as long as the family wants a share of the spotlight for their own purposes

Interesting.

Kelly Clarkson is a really good singer.

Erykah Badu lost her edge a long time ago.

namepeace said:

NastradumasKid said:

I'll even go as far to saying that Curtis was a genius.

When you get there it will be standing room only because he was.

RKJCNE said:

Weezer is every bit as awful as nickelback.

All-American Rejects are awful to, but that sone "Move Along" was cool.

NastradumasKid said:

namepeace said:

Interesting.

Kelly Clarkson is a really good singer.

Erykah Badu lost her edge a long time ago.

TRASH.......

seeingvoices12 said:

NastradumasKid said:

Interesting.

Kelly Clarkson is a really good singer.

Erykah Badu lost her edge a long time ago.

TRASH.......

Oh stop being such a wet blanket!

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

--Kanye has the best hip hop discography(College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, 808s and Heartbreak) of the past 10 years

--MJs Off the Wall is his best solo album

--Bowie's Earthling is/was his best album since Scary Monsters

--Nirvana was a little overrated

--Rage Against the Machine > Audioslave

--No Vaseline > Hit em Up

--1999 is the greatest Prince album

--Maxwell > D'Angelo

--Disco was good for the music industry

--P Diddy destroyed rap and RnB

--Milli Vanilli made some catchy music

--The White Album > Sgt. Peppers

--Ray of Light is Madonna's best album

--Ray Charles' impact on music is understated

--Freddie Mercury was the greatest vocalist in rock history

--Bill Withers was severly underrated

--Modern day hip hop Bling/Swagga era = Hair Metal of the 1980s.

Jay Z basically made the same point:

I agree.

http://www.prefixmag.com/news/jay-z-compares-auto-tuning-rappers-to-hair-metal-b/34120/

NastradumasKid said:

seeingvoices12 said:

TRASH.......

Oh stop being such a wet blanket!

Notice the thread title..........Opinions.

99.9% of American idol products are talentless and trashy.

seeingvoices12 said:

NastradumasKid said:

Oh stop being such a wet blanket!

Notice the thread title..........Opinions.

99.9% of American idol products are talentless and trashy.

Jennifer Hudson? Fantasia? Well, Fantasia is trashy.

Layzie said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Notice the thread title..........Opinions.

99.9% of American idol products are talentless and trashy.

Jennifer Hudson? Fantasia? Well, Fantasia is trashy.

That girl Fantasia has too many family issues.

Its back...I love these types of threads! Can someone give me the link to the last 'Unpopular Opinions' thread. LOL.

[Edited 7/14/10 17:38pm]

Girl4both said:

Its back...I love this types of threads! Can someone give to the link to the last 'Unpopular Opinions' thread. LOL.

Whatever!!! Now state your unpopular opinions!!!!

NastradumasKid said:

Girl4both said:

Its back...I love this types of threads! Can someone give to the link to the last 'Unpopular Opinions' thread. LOL.

Whatever!!! Now state your unpopular opinions!!!!

Okay, um, wasnt Prince nasty before Madonna? And why did Prince make negitive comments about LGBT people when it was LGBT people who was buying his records back in the day?

[Edited 7/14/10 17:37pm]

NastradumasKid said:

Layzie said:

Jennifer Hudson? Fantasia? Well, Fantasia is trashy.

That girl Fantasia has too many family issues.

Fantasia is ghetto!

But her voice is definitely a gift

^

trueiopian said:

^

She has a nice singing voice, but she ain't that great.

Thriller kind of stunted MJ, as an artist.

IMO, it stunted the public from seeing his future work as anything but "not Thriller". There's people out there who believe he never had a hit after Thriller when in reality, Black or White almost topped Billie Jean's success and many of the songs commonly associated with him are on Bad.

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* Plenty of rappers could be very successful if they stopped with the gangsta image and chose better lyrical content. Will I Am is still capable of making good songs (Rihanna's Photographs) but will always go back to repetative shit. Akon did a really classy MJ tribute song which was far superior to anything he'd done before. Diddy's best song was I'll Be Missing You because it was real and honest. Jay Z has mostly dropped the image, as has Eminem, and both are back on top.

The crap most put forward now only sells because it gets stuck in people's heads and it tricks them into thinking they like it.

* Popular artists shouldn't go on a break for more than a year these days.

bboy87 said:

paisleypark4 said:

I agree 2pac was overrated...I loved his poetry but I just thought people put way too much emphasis on him.

I also agree that Rappers Delight is a classic but is very corny...fun but corny.

C alifornia destroyed rap music.

I hate Smells Like Teen Spirit; never got into it.

I do not like Beat It anymore since 1993.

As catchy as it was Buddy Holly by Weezer is so corny I always did not like that tune.

Kanye does have the best rap discography to date.

Common was tight but fell off with the Neptunes unfortunatley.

Prince's 2000's material is highly better than the whole 90's era; I could not wait for those days to end.

Jacksons Destiny is only good on the first side..its not classic as everyone says..its good but ..really?

Gloria Estefans music was better with Miami Sound Machine

Ready For The World's first album was better than Around The World In A Day both released in 1985.

This era of underground rap music was better than the 90's period.

I'm gon' smack the shit outta you

The second side had That's What You Get For Being Polite (my jam) and All Night Dancing....and Bless His Soul

All Night Dancing...corny..Bless His Soul That's What You Get is good but not too memorable in my opinion..a great closer though..Destiny also does nothing for me

purplesweat said:

Thriller kind of stunted MJ, as an artist.

IMO, it stunted the public from seeing his future work as anything but "not Thriller". There's people out there who believe he never had a hit after Thriller when in reality, Black or White almost topped Billie Jean's success and many of the songs commonly associated with him are on Bad.

------

* Plenty of rappers could be very successful if they stopped with the gangsta image and chose better lyrical content. Will I Am is still capable of making good songs (Rihanna's Photographs) but will always go back to repetative shit. Akon did a really classy MJ tribute song which was far superior to anything he'd done before. Diddy's best song was I'll Be Missing You because it was real and honest. Jay Z has mostly dropped the image, as has Eminem, and both are back on top.

The crap most put forward now only sells because it gets stuck in people's heads and it tricks them into thinking they like it.

* Popular artists shouldn't go on a break for more than a year these days.

Akon is not a good artist, I'm not even going to mention Diddy, I despise that man very much, both on a personal level and in terms of ruining artist and Hip Hop. Jay-z should have stayed in retirement, and Eminem lost his edge a long time ago.