Cinnie said:

I don't know anything about those Bey albums, I don't have any of them ....especially After qestlove's comment about " Crazy in love"

Plus, The Rhythm Nation album is enough to murder beyonce’s entire catalogue.

seeingvoices12 said:

That settles it.

midiscover said:

If she was a true songwriter, she'd be writing her music BY HERSELF.

I dont hold co-writers in the same regard as people who can create melodies, lyrics and arrangements singularly.

Janet may very well write the majority of her songs. But I'm going by official evidence (writing credits) and seen that Janet has only released ONE song written by herslef alone.

George Michael, Prince, Lionel Ritchie... they all wrote their song BY THEMSELVES. U cannot hold Janet in the same category as these people, when Jam & Lewis have songwriting credits on all but one of her songs for a long period of time.

Watch trollyq come in here and say that Janet has Jimmy & Terry to thank for her catalogue and his defense will be that - Beyonce needs a better team.

He needs to have a seat before I snatch his wig off like I always do

Cinnie said:

Beyonce's music sucks. I'm not arguing with that.

My point is that quality of music has NOTHING to do with talent. Diano Ross hooked up with the best songwriters and producers in the business and her music catalogue is one of the best there is, but I doubt anyone would call her one of the most talented "artists" of all time.

sleepyq said:

How can you compare Male songwriters to female songwriters? and why you are comparing Janet to those, Janet is not mainly a songwriter but your comparsion dosen't make any sense.

Beyonce is not mainly a songwriter either, leave the songwriting category OUT, other than singing and vocals, Beyonce cannot see Janet.

midiscover said:

What is it u dont understand?

Jam & Lewis have songwriting credits on ALL but ONE of Janet's top 10 hits. Is this a coincidence?

In fact... Jam & Lewis' names appear on more of Janet's hits than Janet's own name does.

sleepyq said:

She's writing all the time. The first song she wrote was when she was 9 years old and she wrote some music for Latoya when she was 14.

You're mistaken. Janet credits Jimmy & Terry on just about every song because its a collaborative work. Jimmy credited Terry for 20 Y.O. even though he didn't participate on that album. Again, Janet is the one that overlooks all of her projects right down to the covers and etc. She's not some tag-along bitch that doesn't do shit. HA!

Once again, just because Janet credits Jimmy & Terry as well doesn't mean she didn't write the song herself. She wrote Together Again by herself but added her producer team and drugged up husband in the credits.

Beyonce's Beyonce, Janet's Janet. THE FUCK Y'ALL COMPARING 'EM!?

seeingvoices12 said:

What the hell...

Why can't we compare Janet to male songwriters?! Are u sayin females aren't capable of their music ON THEIR OWN?



Just because Janet and Beyonce can't do it doesn't mean NOBODY can. Kathy Dennis was once a pop star, u know.

sleepyq said:

Point?

Does this make Janet less talented. I don't agree. And Jam & Lewis don't appear more than Janet's own name. You seriously can't be that dumb

sleepyq said:

Don't put words into my mouth I didn't say females aren't capable songwriters.

Compare Janet to a Female songwriter if you want that , That would make the comparison more logical and makes more sense , how can you compare prince to Janet in the songwriting abilities ?

And yeah, Jimmy jam and terry lewis played a major role in writing her hits , but you have to understand that Janet is not mainly a songwriter, she is mainly an entertainer NOT a musician.

So leave that songwriting category OUT, the comparison was between beyonce and Janet, Beyonce cannot see Janet in any category except the vocals category..

midiscover said:

Miss U Much & LWNDWY (#1 hits) were written by Jam & Lewis WITHOUT Janet (as was most of RN1814)

Black Cat is the only top 10 Janet had that Jam & Lewis are not credited to writing.
[Edited 4/18/10 12:34pm]

sleepyq said:

And? At least she gave credit where its due unlike someone else

sleepyq said:

Fuck outta here with that BS

Janet is way more talented than Beyonce, hun. Far better dancer, actress and IMO - singer. I know people think Beyonce is a better singer but I don't find yodeling and loud screaming appealing. Janet is also a far better performer.

How the hell can you compare Janet Jackson to Beyonce anyway!?!

Janet also wrote and produced on all her albums but Discipline. Just because Jimmy & Terry are credited doesn't mean anything. What a sorry attempt at discrediting Janet.

Its hilarious how the haters want to credit everyone around Janet but Janet herself.

and also this argument that "Janet's not talented because she doesn't write songs by herself" is invalid. If you know Beyonce then you should know its easy for artists to purchase songwriting credits. At least, Janet is nice enough to give Jimmy & Terry credit. Even though they're aren't the same way. They didn't give J Dilla credit for his work on The Velvet Rope album. Many fail to see that not every artist can write, produce and mix all their music like Prince and others can. And also how do you know if they actually do ALL of that? What if they stole beats and such. The entertainment biz is really fickle so whatever.

trueiopian said:

exactly!!!!

Timmy84 said:

Because someone keeps insisting someone is better than Jan. I ain't tryna hear that.

seeingvoices12 said:

Since when did being an "entertainer" excuse people from not writing their own songs? MJ was an "entertainer" who wrote 8 of his #1 hits by himself.

And i never said Beyocne was a songwriter. What i DID say is that i dont consider EITHER of them real songwriters.

What is a REAL songwriter?

Don't be ridiculous. Janet wrote many and many of her songs just because Jimmy & Terry helped her with melody or ideas doesn't discredit her from being a REAL songwriter. LMAO! That's like saying just because a film producer didn't produce the film by him/herself he's not a REAL film producer. Fuck outta here! Keep reaching on this idea that Janet's not talented. You will just fall short.

Janet's well-known for her songwriting on her life and other topics.

trueiopian said:

1. OK

2. Compare them how? I never said Beyocne had the impact or influence that Janet has, did i? I said she was more TALENTED. New ppl come out who r more talented than legends all the time. U have no problem calling new ppl more atlented than Madonna, but when its Janet its like oh NOOOOO.

3. Who is discrediting Janet? I said i dont consider her a real songwriter as she needed other ppl to create her all her songs with or for her. Call her a good "collaborator" if u must, but not a songwriter.

4. #3

sleepyq said:

Yeah, both are not real songwriters

MJ was Both, Entertainer and A musician.

What I mean is that the comparison between the Two is really silly, Janet has been in Music business for decades , she made her mark, It's unfair to compete her to a singer like beyonce who is still didn't make her mark in history and in the beginning of her career...The comparison is unfair to janet.

Plus, you brought the songwriting abilities to discredit Janet.

sleepyq said:

Janet is more talented lol. This is non-debatable.

You're discrediting Janet. Do you not read what you write? You can't even discuss an aritst without bringing others into it. She's a songwriter, music producer, actress, singer, dancer, choreographer and film producer. Get used to it.

trueiopian said:

I love how u compare songwriting to getting other people's money to finance a movie.

If ur gonna audition for a spot in a band, r u gonna be allowed to bring the saxophone player, trumbone player and tuba player with u? NO! U sit BY YOURSELF and audition with just u and ur instrument to show what YOU can do. How can u call someone a "great songwriter" when shes only written and released ONE song?! We dont even know what SHE is capable of. Only what she can do with Jam & Lewis.

... So she's a good collaborator. Or good at choosing collaborators. Either one, dont care.

seeingvoices12 said:

Beyonce is not a newbee. She had her 1st top 5 hit with Destiny's Child in 1997. She currently has a song in the top 5. That's 13 years apart.

How long was Janet on top? Hmmmm. 1986-2002. 15 years. So 2 years till Beyonce catches up.

I said NEITHER of them are real songwriters. How am i discrediting Janet?
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I think I said what I wanted to say on here, I rest My case.

Bye Bye.

sleepyq said:

Now you're comparing instrumentalists to songwriters?

FYI, people that are credited for songwriting is anyone that helps in the songwriting process. That includes lyricists and composers. Rarely will you find one person credited for songwriting on songs and albums. The same can be said for screenwriters. It's a collaborative work. That doesn't mean Janet's not a REAL songwriter.

sleepq is a troll.

midiscover said:

No, but i dont ride or die for ANY popstar. Never.

I'm not for or against anybody. Not Usher's not Beyonce's. Not Gaga's. Not MJ, Prince or Janet.

There are many ppl i like, but i'll give my str8t opinions.

I think she has a great personality and love most of her music. I recongize her influnece and impact on music.

But she is not a great talent.