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Reply #300 posted 03/17/10 11:46pm

Timmy84

midiscover said:

scriptgirl said:

I stand by my statement that the thing that ruined Wesley was his remarks about black women


what did he say?


The Asian model and restaurateur he introduces as "my lady, Donna [Wong]" has been Snipes' companion for the past year and a half When asked if he dates Black women, he says: "Primarily all of my life I've dated Black women.... Oh, most definitely. Oh, my God. Mostly. But it just so happens that now I'm dating an Asian woman. It's different. Different energy, different spirit, but a nice person." He says he is not ready for marriage; nor is Donna. "She's got to learn to deal with the love scenes in the movies first," says Snipes as he chuckles. "Got to get to a place where it's very comfortable."

Wesley says he realizes that there are Black women still who get an attitude about Black men with Asian, White or Hispanic women. "I know we've all been hurt, and we're all very wounded," he says, addressing Black women. "We have to acknowledge that, both male and female, in the Black experience. We're a wounded people. And we want to possess and we want to own. We don't want to compromise. We feel like we've compromised enough. But in any relationship you have to compromise. There's no way around it. And I say to Black women also, Brothers who are very, very successful, or who have become somewhat successful, usually it's been at a great expense, unseen by the camera's eye....

"He doesn't want to come home to someone who's going to be mean and aggravating and unkind and who is going to be `please me, please me.' He doesn't want to come home to that. He doesn't want to come home to have a fight with someone who is supposed to be his helpmate. So it's very natural that he's going to turn to some place that's more compassionate.... You've worked hard and you deserve to come home to comforting. And usually a man who has that will appreciate it. Because I've never known one cat, all those cats I've hung out with and still hang out with, who found something that they really, really like and didn't go back to it. They all go back. It's very simple."

When asked for clarification, Snipes emphasizes that he is not saying that a Black woman can not be that type of woman a man wants to come home to. "Not at all," he declares. "Absolutely not. That's the point. I want to come home and I don't want to argue. I want to be pleasing, but if I ask you to get me a glass of water, you're going to say, `Them days is over.' please. Come on," Wesley says. "A man likes that. I don't know why. It's been that way forever. It makes him proud, you know, like when the guys come over and your lady comes out with a tray of food and says `I made this up for you.' And the guys are like, `Oh man, you've got a great women.' And the man says, `Yeah, I do.' A man will appreciate it when you're kind and when you're nice.

"For successful women, it's hard," he continues, obviously quite comfortable and articulate on the subject of relationships. "The competition is fierce. And if he's a man of success and power who happens to be handsome, of course you're not the only one who thinks he's handsome. But you don't have to punish him because of that once you get with him. Don't punish him because somebody else likes him."

Continuing with his openness, Snipes says he's had his heart broken more than once, and at times by Black women. "Most definitely. Most definitely," he says.
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Reply #301 posted 03/17/10 11:57pm

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That right there killed his career
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Reply #302 posted 03/18/10 12:03am

midiscover

I don't think so.

His inflated ego killed his career.
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Reply #303 posted 03/18/10 12:11am

TonyVanDam

sosgemini said:

I'm gonna say something re: Snipes that I am not 100 percent sure about but I have often wondered if Snipe's appeal within his target market was hurt by:



I've always felt he was a leader within the LGBT community for taking on this role and that he doesn't get the credit for it. He was one of the biggest action stars at the time and took on this role and within a few years his career was in the toilet. Is it just a coincidence? This I know, Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford (his counterparts at the time) would never have taken on such a role.


But what about Wesley's fellow co-star Patrick Swayze? He took a career risk as well, but was still able to find work after that.
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Reply #304 posted 03/18/10 12:17am

TonyVanDam

scriptgirl said:

I stand by my statement that the thing that ruined Wesley was his remarks about black women


Wesley's public feud with studio producers behind the scenes during the makings of Blade Trinity is what damage his career. Despite that Wesley was right in calling those producers out for taking too much control of the project away from him, this really did became the case of Hollywood trying to keep a black man in his place below the power rankings.

Sad but true.

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Reply #305 posted 03/18/10 12:23am

TonyVanDam

Timmy84 said:

sosgemini said:

I'm gonna say something re: Snipes that I am not 100 percent sure about but I have often wondered if Snipe's appeal within his target market was hurt by:



I've always felt he was a leader within the LGBT community for taking on this role and that he doesn't get the credit for it. He was one of the biggest action stars at the time and took on this role and within a few years his career was in the toilet. Is it just a coincidence? This I know, Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford (his counterparts at the time) would never have taken on such a role.


He, Patrick Swayze (RIP) and John Leguizamo was in this lol




John Leguizamo as a Rosie Perez clone. lol

But getting back to the subject of Wesley, I'm afraid that Dave Chappelle did asking Oprah a very good question:

Why Hollywood is always trying to get a black man to wear a dress?
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Reply #306 posted 03/18/10 12:30am

TonyVanDam

midiscover said:

I don't think so.

His inflated ego killed his career.


Speaking of ego, Wesley actually believe he was Blade in real life.
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Reply #307 posted 03/18/10 4:58am

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TonyVanDam said:

sosgemini said:

I'm gonna say something re: Snipes that I am not 100 percent sure about but I have often wondered if Snipe's appeal within his target market was hurt by:



I've always felt he was a leader within the LGBT community for taking on this role and that he doesn't get the credit for it. He was one of the biggest action stars at the time and took on this role and within a few years his career was in the toilet. Is it just a coincidence? This I know, Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford (his counterparts at the time) would never have taken on such a role.


But what about Wesley's fellow co-star Patrick Swayze? He took a career risk as well, but was still able to find work after that.


Swayze's career was dead before and after that film. Swayze was hot from 87 (Dirty Dancing) to 91 (Point Break). Too Wong was released in 95. He had one more semi-hit after Too Wong with Donnie Darko in 2001.

Cha know what, now that I look at Snipes' career on IMDB, he had some of his biggest hits (US Marshall, The Blade series, Murder at 1600, Money Train) following Too Wong. Maybe America was tolerant of his role as Nozema. Good for America. clapping
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Reply #308 posted 03/18/10 5:07am

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midiscover said:



The Asian model and restaurateur he introduces as "my lady, Donna [Wong]" has been Snipes' companion for the past year and a half When asked if he dates Black women, he says: "Primarily all of my life I've dated Black women.... Oh, most definitely. Oh, my God. Mostly. But it just so happens that now I'm dating an Asian woman. It's different. Different energy, different spirit, but a nice person." He says he is not ready for marriage; nor is Donna. "She's got to learn to deal with the love scenes in the movies first," says Snipes as he chuckles. "Got to get to a place where it's very comfortable."

Wesley says he realizes that there are Black women still who get an attitude about Black men with Asian, White or Hispanic women. "I know we've all been hurt, and we're all very wounded," he says, addressing Black women. "We have to acknowledge that, both male and female, in the Black experience. We're a wounded people. And we want to possess and we want to own. We don't want to compromise. We feel like we've compromised enough. But in any relationship you have to compromise. There's no way around it. And I say to Black women also, Brothers who are very, very successful, or who have become somewhat successful, usually it's been at a great expense, unseen by the camera's eye....

"He doesn't want to come home to someone who's going to be mean and aggravating and unkind and who is going to be `please me, please me.' He doesn't want to come home to that. He doesn't want to come home to have a fight with someone who is supposed to be his helpmate. So it's very natural that he's going to turn to some place that's more compassionate.... You've worked hard and you deserve to come home to comforting. And usually a man who has that will appreciate it. Because I've never known one cat, all those cats I've hung out with and still hang out with, who found something that they really, really like and didn't go back to it. They all go back. It's very simple."

When asked for clarification, Snipes emphasizes that he is not saying that a Black woman can not be that type of woman a man wants to come home to. "Not at all," he declares. "Absolutely not. That's the point. I want to come home and I don't want to argue. I want to be pleasing, but if I ask you to get me a glass of water, you're going to say, `Them days is over.' please. Come on," Wesley says. "A man likes that. I don't know why. It's been that way forever. It makes him proud, you know, like when the guys come over and your lady comes out with a tray of food and says `I made this up for you.' And the guys are like, `Oh man, you've got a great women.' And the man says, `Yeah, I do.' A man will appreciate it when you're kind and when you're nice.

"For successful women, it's hard," he continues, obviously quite comfortable and articulate on the subject of relationships. "The competition is fierce. And if he's a man of success and power who happens to be handsome, of course you're not the only one who thinks he's handsome. But you don't have to punish him because of that once you get with him. Don't punish him because somebody else likes him."

Continuing with his openness, Snipes says he's had his heart broken more than once, and at times by Black women. "Most definitely. Most definitely," he says.



I never thought Mr. Snipes opinion was all that inflammatory. Even so, African American woman are going to have to stop allowing black men, white folks or whoever define who we are. We most definitely need to stop thinking when some black men date or marry the "other" is somehow an reflection or an indictment that we are less than. This is far from the truth and we should know better.... Most men don't like to be challenged. Period. Or as my mother says, "When you doing for everyone all the time without question, then you're the strong black women. When you question why you're doing for everyone all the time then you become the demanding overbearing black bitch. So be it."

Keep it moving Sisters biggrin

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Reply #309 posted 03/18/10 5:50am

SCNDLS

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sosgemini said:

I'm gonna say something re: Snipes that I am not 100 percent sure about but I have often wondered if Snipe's appeal within his target market was hurt by:



I've always felt he was a leader within the LGBT community for taking on this role and that he doesn't get the credit for it. He was one of the biggest action stars at the time and took on this role and within a few years his career was in the toilet. Is it just a coincidence? This I know, Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford (his counterparts at the time) would never have taken on such a role.

Actually, that's not right at all, because he became an action star AFTER that role. Blade is his biggest hit and he did that THREE years AFTER To Wong Foo. Before that Wesley was known as a dramatic actor, not an action star.
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Reply #310 posted 03/18/10 5:57am

SCNDLS

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Timmy84 said:



The Asian model and restaurateur he introduces as "my lady, Donna [Wong]" has been Snipes' companion for the past year and a half When asked if he dates Black women, he says: "Primarily all of my life I've dated Black women.... Oh, most definitely. Oh, my God. Mostly. But it just so happens that now I'm dating an Asian woman. It's different. Different energy, different spirit, but a nice person." He says he is not ready for marriage; nor is Donna. "She's got to learn to deal with the love scenes in the movies first," says Snipes as he chuckles. "Got to get to a place where it's very comfortable."

Wesley says he realizes that there are Black women still who get an attitude about Black men with Asian, White or Hispanic women. "I know we've all been hurt, and we're all very wounded," he says, addressing Black women. "We have to acknowledge that, both male and female, in the Black experience. We're a wounded people. And we want to possess and we want to own. We don't want to compromise. We feel like we've compromised enough. But in any relationship you have to compromise. There's no way around it. And I say to Black women also, Brothers who are very, very successful, or who have become somewhat successful, usually it's been at a great expense, unseen by the camera's eye....

"He doesn't want to come home to someone who's going to be mean and aggravating and unkind and who is going to be `please me, please me.' He doesn't want to come home to that. He doesn't want to come home to have a fight with someone who is supposed to be his helpmate. So it's very natural that he's going to turn to some place that's more compassionate.... You've worked hard and you deserve to come home to comforting. And usually a man who has that will appreciate it. Because I've never known one cat, all those cats I've hung out with and still hang out with, who found something that they really, really like and didn't go back to it. They all go back. It's very simple."

When asked for clarification, Snipes emphasizes that he is not saying that a Black woman can not be that type of woman a man wants to come home to. "Not at all," he declares. "Absolutely not. That's the point. I want to come home and I don't want to argue. I want to be pleasing, but if I ask you to get me a glass of water, you're going to say, `Them days is over.' please. Come on," Wesley says. "A man likes that. I don't know why. It's been that way forever. It makes him proud, you know, like when the guys come over and your lady comes out with a tray of food and says `I made this up for you.' And the guys are like, `Oh man, you've got a great women.' And the man says, `Yeah, I do.' A man will appreciate it when you're kind and when you're nice.

"For successful women, it's hard," he continues, obviously quite comfortable and articulate on the subject of relationships. "The competition is fierce. And if he's a man of success and power who happens to be handsome, of course you're not the only one who thinks he's handsome. But you don't have to punish him because of that once you get with him. Don't punish him because somebody else likes him."

Continuing with his openness, Snipes says he's had his heart broken more than once, and at times by Black women. "Most definitely. Most definitely," he says.

Timmy, where is this from?
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Reply #311 posted 03/18/10 6:14am

Harlepolis

TonyVanDam said:

TD3 said:



I walked out of that movie. Bad!


I watched Girl 6 at a dollar show. That was $1 I wish I could have back because that film was so awesomely bad (and that do NOT mean that in a good way neither).
lol


disbelief @ ya'll.

I loved Girl 6, I love its quirkiness,,,I wish more black filmmakers were as adventurous as Spike Lee & Wendell B. Harris.

I don't dislike a Spike Lee movie,,,,wait, yes I do, Miracle At St. Anna disbelief whats worse is, he attacked Clint Eastwood and all of those white filmmakers who discredited WWII's black soldiers in their films and instead of putting his money where his mouth is, he came up with that shit.

I'll be reading the book that it was based on, though.
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Reply #312 posted 03/18/10 6:22am

SoulAlive

'Girl 6' is an odd movie,but there are some great scenes in it lol
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Reply #313 posted 03/18/10 6:30am

Harlepolis

SoulAlive said:

'Girl 6' is an odd movie,but there are some great scenes in it lol


Loved the fantasy segments love
Loved the music wink
Loved the off-beat story line.

To be honest, I didn't appreciate it untill later in life,,,,the 1st time I watched it I was confuse but the 2nd time(6 years later) was the charm,,,,,I love ANY movie that makes you work to read whats between the lines.
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Reply #314 posted 03/18/10 6:35am

SoulAlive

Harlepolis said:

SoulAlive said:

'Girl 6' is an odd movie,but there are some great scenes in it lol


Loved the fantasy segments love
Loved the music wink
Loved the off-beat story line.

To be honest, I didn't appreciate it untill later in life,,,,the 1st time I watched it I was confuse but the 2nd time(6 years later) was the charm,,,,,I love ANY movie that makes you work to read whats between the lines.



I like the part with that blonde lady...I forget her name,but here's her pic...
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Reply #315 posted 03/18/10 6:46am

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That Wesley interview is from Ebony
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #316 posted 03/18/10 7:03am

JackieBlue

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SoulAlive said:

Harlepolis said:



Loved the fantasy segments love
Loved the music wink
Loved the off-beat story line.

To be honest, I didn't appreciate it untill later in life,,,,the 1st time I watched it I was confuse but the 2nd time(6 years later) was the charm,,,,,I love ANY movie that makes you work to read whats between the lines.



I like the part with that blonde lady...I forget her name,but here's her pic...


lol

I’m surprised people are so down on Girl 6. I definitely dig it more now than I did at the time but I can’t consider it Spike’s worst as long as She Hate Me exists.
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Reply #317 posted 03/18/10 7:11am

Musicslave

I have nothing significant to add. Wow, how could I? lol You guys have really said it all!

However, to quote a corny, lame ass Atlanta DJ.....

"JD took an icon and tried to make her a buss it baby." DJ Greg Street, 2009
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Reply #318 posted 03/18/10 7:42am

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SCNDLS said:

sosgemini said:

I'm gonna say something re: Snipes that I am not 100 percent sure about but I have often wondered if Snipe's appeal within his target market was hurt by:



I've always felt he was a leader within the LGBT community for taking on this role and that he doesn't get the credit for it. He was one of the biggest action stars at the time and took on this role and within a few years his career was in the toilet. Is it just a coincidence? This I know, Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford (his counterparts at the time) would never have taken on such a role.

Actually, that's not right at all, because he became an action star AFTER that role. Blade is his biggest hit and he did that THREE years AFTER To Wong Foo. Before that Wesley was known as a dramatic actor, not an action star.


Rising Sun, Passenger 57 and Drop Zone were all prior to Too Wong...however, if you read my last comment you will see that I corrected myself about Snipes having hits after Too Wong.

bitchfight



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Reply #319 posted 03/18/10 8:04am

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SoulAlive said:

'Girl 6' is an odd movie,but there are some great scenes in it lol

nod I agree. I loved the soundtrack most of all, though there are some quite hilarious moments. Plus I loved Theresa Randall as an actress...wonder what happened to her???
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Reply #320 posted 03/18/10 8:07am

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more influential




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Reply #321 posted 03/18/10 8:22am

SCNDLS

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SCNDLS said:


Actually, that's not right at all, because he became an action star AFTER that role. Blade is his biggest hit and he did that THREE years AFTER To Wong Foo. Before that Wesley was known as a dramatic actor, not an action star.


Rising Sun, Passenger 57 and Drop Zone were all prior to Too Wong...however, if you read my last comment you will see that I corrected myself about Snipes having hits after Too Wong.

bitchfight



lol

I saw that later. But his biggest action movie was still after To Wong Foo. I'm just saying he was mostly known for dramatic roles so for me I wasn't THAT surprised that he would do this. I was more concerned with how ugly he looked. Certainly they tested his look beforehand and saw that it didn't work. shake
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Reply #322 posted 03/18/10 8:27am

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Harlepolis said:

TonyVanDam said:



I watched Girl 6 at a dollar show. That was $1 I wish I could have back because that film was so awesomely bad (and that do NOT mean that in a good way neither).
lol


disbelief @ ya'll.

I loved Girl 6, I love its quirkiness,,,I wish more black filmmakers were as adventurous as Spike Lee & Wendell B. Harris.

I don't dislike a Spike Lee movie,,,,wait, yes I do, Miracle At St. Anna disbelief whats worse is, he attacked Clint Eastwood and all of those white filmmakers who discredited WWII's black soldiers in their films and instead of putting his money where his mouth is, he came up with that shit.

I'll be reading the book that it was based on, though.



eek Harle, I couldn't take it. lol


Girl 6 movie was too damn weird, strange... BAD.I love me some Jenifer Lewis but even she could save the hot mess. I've only walked out of the movie theater 3 times in my life. Miracle At St. Anna that was a major disappointment, I probably would've walked out on that if I hadn't gone to sleep. lol
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Reply #323 posted 03/18/10 8:28am

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TD3 said:

Harlepolis said:



disbelief @ ya'll.

I loved Girl 6, I love its quirkiness,,,I wish more black filmmakers were as adventurous as Spike Lee & Wendell B. Harris.

I don't dislike a Spike Lee movie,,,,wait, yes I do, Miracle At St. Anna disbelief whats worse is, he attacked Clint Eastwood and all of those white filmmakers who discredited WWII's black soldiers in their films and instead of putting his money where his mouth is, he came up with that shit.

I'll be reading the book that it was based on, though.



eek Harle, I couldn't take it. lol


Girl 6 movie was too damn weird, strange... BAD.I love me some Jenifer Lewis but even she could save the hot mess. I've only walked out of the movie theater 3 times in my life. Miracle At St. Anna that was a major disappointment, I probably would've walked out on that if I hadn't gone to sleep. lol

I loved it. I have to look at it as loosely related vignettes than as fully cohesive movie. lol
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Reply #324 posted 03/18/10 8:35am

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SCNDLS said:

TD3 said:




eek Harle, I couldn't take it. lol


Girl 6 movie was too damn weird, strange... BAD.I love me some Jenifer Lewis but even she could save the hot mess. I've only walked out of the movie theater 3 times in my life. Miracle At St. Anna that was a major disappointment, I probably would've walked out on that if I hadn't gone to sleep. lol

I loved it. I have to look at it as loosely related vignettes than as fully cohesive movie. lol


YOU, liking this movie doesn't surprise me at all,you own the DVD don't cha?

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Reply #325 posted 03/18/10 8:37am

SCNDLS

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TD3 said:

SCNDLS said:


I loved it. I have to look at it as loosely related vignettes than as fully cohesive movie. lol


YOU, liking this movie doesn't surprise me at all,you own the DVD don't cha?

lol

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Reply #326 posted 03/18/10 9:06am

TonyVanDam

Harlepolis said:

TonyVanDam said:



I watched Girl 6 at a dollar show. That was $1 I wish I could have back because that film was so awesomely bad (and that do NOT mean that in a good way neither).
lol


disbelief @ ya'll.

I loved Girl 6, I love its quirkiness,,,I wish more black filmmakers were as adventurous as Spike Lee & Wendell B. Harris.

I don't dislike a Spike Lee movie,,,,wait, yes I do, Miracle At St. Anna disbelief whats worse is, he attacked Clint Eastwood and all of those white filmmakers who discredited WWII's black soldiers in their films and instead of putting his money where his mouth is, he came up with that shit.

I'll be reading the book that it was based on, though.


To each it own. But I'll take Showgirls-bad over Girl 6-bad any day of the week. lol
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Reply #327 posted 03/18/10 9:10am

midiscover

TonyVanDam said:

midiscover said:

I don't think so.

His inflated ego killed his career.


Speaking of ego, Wesley actually believe he was Blade in real life.


lol

Poor guy believed all the hype.
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Reply #328 posted 03/18/10 9:31am

Harlepolis

TonyVanDam said:

Harlepolis said:



disbelief @ ya'll.

I loved Girl 6, I love its quirkiness,,,I wish more black filmmakers were as adventurous as Spike Lee & Wendell B. Harris.

I don't dislike a Spike Lee movie,,,,wait, yes I do, Miracle At St. Anna disbelief whats worse is, he attacked Clint Eastwood and all of those white filmmakers who discredited WWII's black soldiers in their films and instead of putting his money where his mouth is, he came up with that shit.

I'll be reading the book that it was based on, though.


To each it own. But I'll take Showgirls-bad over Girl 6-bad any day of the week. lol


Well get ready then, coz a sequal of "Showgirls" is on the way.
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Reply #329 posted 03/18/10 9:42am

TonyVanDam

Harlepolis said:

TonyVanDam said:



To each it own. But I'll take Showgirls-bad over Girl 6-bad any day of the week. lol


Well get ready then, coz a sequal of "Showgirls" is on the way.


Without Elizabeth Berkley OR Gina Gershon, there will never be a Showgirls sequel.
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