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Reply #30 posted 09/07/09 7:34pm

thatruth

Greatest Entertainer: Yes!!!

Greatest Child Singer/Performer: Fuck Yeah!!! (No child had vocals like Mike)

Greatest Singer: Not Really

Greatest Songwriter: No, but he had his moments

Greatest Producer: Pleeze!!!

Greatest Musician: lol
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Reply #31 posted 09/07/09 7:54pm

Sprite

Yes. I think that Michael Jackson was the Greatest ever.
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Reply #32 posted 09/07/09 7:58pm

kenny88

No.
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Reply #33 posted 09/08/09 1:45am

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Like it's been said, this sort of question is subjective. However, I think it's safe to say he's one of the greatest entertainers.

Still, imo, Michael's not the all-time greatest simply because he wasn't versatile enough. That's what gives someone like Prince an edge (it's a shame, I was almost reluctant to use him on a Prince fan site:-). In his prime, not only would you get great music and passionate singing but high energy dancing ala James Brown (who's an all-time great himself), he could slow it down and seduce the ladies like Marvin and rock out like Hendrix.
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Reply #34 posted 09/08/09 1:48am

novabrkr

No, pizza is the greatest ever.
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Reply #35 posted 09/08/09 1:53am

purplesweat

Yep. Tied with Prince. Man, if those two had a kid...
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Reply #36 posted 09/08/09 2:04am

novabrkr

purplesweat said:

Yep. Tied with Prince. Man, if those two had a kid...


I'm pretty sure Prince would have insisted on using a prophylactic.
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Reply #37 posted 09/08/09 2:08am

purplesweat

novabrkr said:

purplesweat said:

Yep. Tied with Prince. Man, if those two had a kid...


I'm pretty sure Prince would have insisted on using a prophylactic.



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Reply #38 posted 09/08/09 2:09am

pjh1972

He was one of the, if not the, greatest singers of the 20th century and he made two of the greatest, most exciting albums of all time with Off the Wall and Thriller as well as some great ones with his brothers. He revolutionised the music video and contemporary dance too.

Then it all went slowly but surely downhill, culminating in the self aggrandising, mime-fest embarassment of the HIStory tour and some appalling life style choices leading to the sorry mess he was in when he died.

I think that's about it.
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Reply #39 posted 09/08/09 2:13am

pjh1972

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Reply #40 posted 09/08/09 4:25am

Marrk

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I think he could lay claim to having reached the pinnacle alongside other greats. at one point i think he WAS the greatest ever.

I don't think you'll see tributes like in Mexico a week ago for ANYBODY else, ever again.

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Reply #41 posted 09/08/09 5:51am

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I'm not saying he's the greatest, but I have to say when everyone aspires to be you and do what you did, and have what you had, you must be up there in the greats. There's no way to discount what he did. Thriller is THE pinnacle of achievement for every artist before and after to try to reach. He did what no else had done.

I personally don't believe he was the best singer, or the best dancer, or the best human being...but what he's done, no one has done it better, so for now, that makes him the greatest that ever done it.

And I do wish he had been able to keep doing it. sad
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Reply #42 posted 09/08/09 6:31am

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For me Michael was "it" when it came to be an entertainer. There was/is no one like him. Sure if you take his talents apart you will always find some one who was/is a better singer, dancer, producer, songwriter etc. But there is practically no one who can take all of these things and put them all together the way he did. If you add to all of this the fact that Michael had that "something" that makes/made people love him, then no one can compare to him.

I LOVE Prince! He's my boy, but I don't think he is on Michael's level. Period. I think that for some fans that is hard to accept because Prince is an awesome musician, composer, songwriter and singer, and IMO, I think that they feel he should have been the more famous of the two. Yes, Prince probably is/was better than Michael when it came to musicianship, but Prince doesn't have that "it" that took Michael to a whole different level. Unfair? Maybe, but that's the way it is.

Now one last thing. I think that MJ will have a long lasting impact on music. But the truth is, that all of us are gonna be death in about 80 years, and after that, we have no idea what music will be like or what people will think of our beloved artists. When I think about great music and true success, I think about Motzart and Beethoven. They died a long time ago and their music is still played and taught in schools. When a musician wants to impress and shocase their technical abilities, they don't play contemporary music, they go all the way back to those two. Just a thought.
I am simply better than you...end of story.
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Reply #43 posted 09/08/09 6:35am

Graycap23

In a word?.....NO.
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Reply #44 posted 09/08/09 6:41am

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thatruth said:

Greatest Entertainer: Yes!!!

Greatest Child Singer/Performer: Fuck Yeah!!! (No child had vocals like Mike)

Greatest Singer: Not Really

Greatest Songwriter: No, but he had his moments

Greatest Producer: Pleeze!!!

Greatest Musician: lol

Who is a musician? Only those who can play an instrument? I don´t think musicalness has anything to do just with playing instruments. I think he was a musician.

Anyway, to me Mike was the greatest ever in many ways. But I agree, it´s a pointless discussion cuase it´s subjective.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #45 posted 09/08/09 9:54am

kenlacam

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I'll say yes, but many will say no. How many times has this topic been posted already? confused
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Reply #46 posted 09/08/09 9:56am

Timmy84

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beatdeadhorse
I'll say yes, but many will say no. How many times has this topic been posted already? confused


[Vegeta]It's over 9000!!!!![/Vegeta]

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Reply #47 posted 09/08/09 10:03am

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LaSeles said:


Prince probably is/was better than Michael when it came to musicianship, but Prince doesn't have that "it" that took Michael to a whole different level. Unfair? Maybe, but that's the way it is.



I think Prince is better than MJ and has that "it". I think if Prince hadn't been running around in his underwear talking about he knew a girl named Nikki who was a sex fiend, that probably would have made the difference in his career. Prince was not kid friendly or religious friendly and that narrowed his listening audience considerably. Look at how many children love MJ....because they can actually be allowed to listen to MJ. LOL lol

That's on Prince, Prince wanted to be who he wanted to be and that's cool. MJ wanted to appeal to the masses and he did.
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Reply #48 posted 09/08/09 7:56pm

purplesweat

BklynBabe said:

LaSeles said:


Prince probably is/was better than Michael when it came to musicianship, but Prince doesn't have that "it" that took Michael to a whole different level. Unfair? Maybe, but that's the way it is.



I think Prince is better than MJ and has that "it". I think if Prince hadn't been running around in his underwear talking about he knew a girl named Nikki who was a sex fiend, that probably would have made the difference in his career. Prince was not kid friendly or religious friendly and that narrowed his listening audience considerably. Look at how many children love MJ....because they can actually be allowed to listen to MJ. LOL lol

That's on Prince, Prince wanted to be who he wanted to be and that's cool. MJ wanted to appeal to the masses and he did.


But Prince would never have songs like Black or White or Man in the Mirror.
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Reply #49 posted 09/08/09 8:04pm

BklynBabe

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And Michael would never have Pussy Control, Erotic City, or Little Red Corvette biggrin
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Reply #50 posted 09/08/09 8:07pm

Superstition

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thatruth said:

Greatest Entertainer: Yes!!!

Greatest Child Singer/Performer: Fuck Yeah!!! (No child had vocals like Mike)

Greatest Singer: Not Really

Greatest Songwriter: No, but he had his moments

Greatest Producer: Pleeze!!!


I think him being the greatest singer is something that weighs very strong in his favor. He had pipes, and an incredible voice. Totally authentic, unique, a MASSIVE range of styles, from classic soul, to "angry" that fit with rock and hip-hop, unique inflections and ad-libs....

I mean, why he lip-synced so much in the 90's I'll never know (because he would sing live during parts and he sounded great). But yeah, rag on anything you want but him being the greatest singer or not... mute argument because he clearly was ONE of the greatest. There is no definitive greatest so all you can do is pool people together who you think fit the bill, Jackson is definitely in that pool.
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Reply #51 posted 09/08/09 8:12pm

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The most successful? Yes.

The greatest? Hell naw.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #52 posted 09/08/09 8:22pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

Superstition said:

I believe he crossed the threshold one has to cross to be considered the greatest of all time. Artists like Prince, Stevie Wonder, The Beatles and a few others have crossed it. After that, it's all in the eye of the beholder.


For me, he is the greatest , because simply he was the only western artist that reached to every culture ,language and race with his music and dance, ,I say this because I live outside the U.S and i know the man's influence, I see People who don't know English or what he is singing dancing to his music, they know him nod you need to see it to believe, Its unbelievable, There will never anyone like MJ again...people like him come once in a lifetime....

I do believe that there are more talented musicians than MJ, stevie wonder for example, but unfortunately they didn't influence the world like him....he was one of a kind.

this is such a great point, maybe he is the greatest
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Reply #53 posted 09/08/09 8:30pm

dearmother

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shorttrini said:

mimi07 said:


in which way? confused


Michael's problem is that he was always trying to top "Thriller". Everything that he did, had to be better than it, instead of just making the music and letting it speak for itself.



yeah, hes definitely one of the most tragic performers ever. someone (?? or multiple people cant remember) have remarked that he wanted the WORLD to love him when he performed. he had this weakness to him and this likeability factor that prince does not have...and it appeals to the masses.

what bugs me is how thriller i guess got to him and for someone to be the greatest entertainer i'd like some spontaneity to their performances. mj just took something and had it down to perfection. it lost all the excitement.
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Reply #54 posted 09/08/09 8:31pm

violetblues

dearmother said:

seeingvoices12 said:



For me, he is the greatest , because simply he was the only western artist that reached to every culture ,language and race with his music and dance, ,I say this because I live outside the U.S and i know the man's influence, I see People who don't know English or what he is singing dancing to his music, they know him nod you need to see it to believe, Its unbelievable, There will never anyone like MJ again...people like him come once in a lifetime....

I do believe that there are more talented musicians than MJ, stevie wonder for example, but unfortunately they didn't influence the world like him....he was one of a kind.

this is such a great point, maybe he is the greatest


The Only? I think Beatles and Elvis fans might differ on that point.

MJ is definitely a popular kids artist no doubt, but i have a feeling you guys will outgrow him when you grow up...or at least should
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Reply #55 posted 09/08/09 8:32pm

Timmy84

Yeah I think the Beatles & Elvis got worldwide appeal too. That's why the media always compared the three. They're by far the only entertainers besides MUHAMMAD ALI to be embraced on a big worldwide scale. I'm sure there were others tho but those four stood out. KIDS don't know who the Beatles & Elvis are, maybe that's why MJ got them on that, because the adults let them play MJ while the others were avoided for OBVIOUS reasons...
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Reply #56 posted 09/08/09 8:34pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

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dearmother said:


this is such a great point, maybe he is the greatest


The Only? I think Beatles and Elvis fans might differ on that point.

MJ is definitely a popular kids artist no doubt, but i have a feeling you guys will outgrow him when you grow up...or at least should


i'm 23...been a fan since i was little. should I outgrow him?
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Reply #57 posted 09/08/09 8:36pm

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To me he's the greatest. But we all have our own opinions.
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Reply #58 posted 09/08/09 8:36pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I think the Beatles & Elvis got worldwide appeal too. That's why the media always compared the three. They're by far the only entertainers besides MUHAMMAD ALI to be embraced on a big worldwide scale. I'm sure there were others tho but those four stood out. KIDS don't know who the Beatles & Elvis are, maybe that's why MJ got them on that, because the adults let them play MJ while the others were avoided for OBVIOUS reasons...
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michael was bigger than the beatles and elvis....most likely combined.... and most famous person ever. love him or hate....you cannot deny this fact.
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Reply #59 posted 09/08/09 8:37pm

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violetblues said:



The Only? I think Beatles and Elvis fans might differ on that point.

MJ is definitely a popular kids artist no doubt, but i have a feeling you guys will outgrow him when you grow up...or at least should

is that implying the beatles and elvis appeal to adults?
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