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PrintableSoulAlive said: kibbles said: yeah, enuf with the lame defenses of oprah. didn't she issue a statement about the kennedy who just died? wasn't she was on vacation/hiatus then? on edit: yes, she did. it's posted at her website. so if she had wanted to make a statement about mj's death, she could have. but it's business so she's going to ride the wave of 'mourning' and exploit mj for ratings. he gave her great ratings in '93, no reason to think he won't again. i have often said i wouldn't be a good entertainer b/c you have to compromise yourself a lot. a few years back a poster on another board mentioned janet's willingness not only to go on oprah's show, but that major, major mj hater, rosie o'donnell's show and i was the only one who agreed with her questioning of janet's integrity on that. every other poster didn't have an issue with it - just business. i'm sure when their reality show gets ready to premiere, the jackson 4 will do oprah's show to promote it. 
Correct me if I'm wrong,but I think Janet appeared on the Rosie O'Donnell show in 2001,just before the release of her 'All For You' album.It wasn't until a few years later that Rosie called MJ a "pedeofile".She had seen him at a party and refused to speak to him.Before this,her feelings about MJ were unknown (I think).I doub that Janet would have appeared on her show if she had known about those vicious comments about her brother. Who would want to appear on such crappy cheap TV shows like roise,the view, ellen,tyra ..etc, and yeah, Janet would never appear if she knew about those comments , she has always been supportive to MJ, I hate those silly TV shows. MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: SoulAlive said: Correct me if I'm wrong,but I think Janet appeared on the Rosie O'Donnell show in 2001,just before the release of her 'All For You' album.It wasn't until a few years later that Rosie called MJ a "pedeofile".She had seen him at a party and refused to speak to him.Before this,her feelings about MJ were unknown (I think).I doub that Janet would have appeared on her show if she had known about those vicious comments about her brother. Who would want to appear on such crappy cheap TV shows like roise,the view, ellen,tyra ..etc, and yeah, Janet would never appear if she knew about those comments , she has always been supportive to MJ, I hate those silly TV shows. Yeah those shows truly suck (except for 'Ellen') but if you're trying to promote a new album,movie or tour,those shows are a necessary evil,especially for someone like Janet,who needs to draw attention to her music. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: SoulAlive said: Correct me if I'm wrong,but I think Janet appeared on the Rosie O'Donnell show in 2001,just before the release of her 'All For You' album.It wasn't until a few years later that Rosie called MJ a "pedeofile".She had seen him at a party and refused to speak to him.Before this,her feelings about MJ were unknown (I think).I doub that Janet would have appeared on her show if she had known about those vicious comments about her brother. Who would want to appear on such crappy cheap TV shows like roise,the view, ellen,tyra ..etc, and yeah, Janet would never appear if she knew about those comments , she has always been supportive to MJ, I hate those silly TV shows. Take Ellen out of the mix, and you have a solid point.... | |
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yeah 'Ellen' is great.Her show is fun and intriguing.She asks interesting questions.I think artists truly enjoy going on her show. | |
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SoulAlive said: yeah 'Ellen' is great.Her show is fun and intriguing.She asks interesting questions.I think artists truly enjoy going on her show.
I’m glad MJ didn't participate in any of those shows, tyra show is a hot mess. MICHAEL JACKSON
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kibbles said: SoulAlive said: I remember ater the Bashir documentary aired,Oprah spoke about it on her show.She had a message directed at Michael: "It's wrong to allow young boys to sleep in your bed with you,and I would say the exact same thing to my own brother if he were doing this".
 In defense of Oprah,you have to understand that she herself was sexually abused at a young age,so I think she was really conflicted/confused about the MJ allegations and trial.As a popular talk show and icon who routinely does shows about sexual abuse,she couldn't be seen as "endorsing" MJ's behavior.It was a tough position for her to be in.b/c i can't stand oprah and only saw snippets of the interview, i can't totally vouch for my memory, but i could have sworn mj stated in her interview that he often had slumber parties with the little cancer patients that came to the ranch. if that sort of thing was so wrong, why didn't she call him out then? i don't think projecting her experiences with abuse onto mj is an excuse for her to bash him. she could have invited him onto the show and given him a forum to further explain, like geraldo did, especially since she had been to neverland and had to know it wasn't the house of horrors bashir and the prosecutors had made it out to be. she could have been a woman about it and told her feelings to mj's face. but then again, i don't expect much from her. Well said kibbles I agree.  MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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SoulAlive said: kibbles said: yeah, enuf with the lame defenses of oprah. didn't she issue a statement about the kennedy who just died? wasn't she was on vacation/hiatus then? on edit: yes, she did. it's posted at her website. so if she had wanted to make a statement about mj's death, she could have. but it's business so she's going to ride the wave of 'mourning' and exploit mj for ratings. he gave her great ratings in '93, no reason to think he won't again. i have often said i wouldn't be a good entertainer b/c you have to compromise yourself a lot. a few years back a poster on another board mentioned janet's willingness not only to go on oprah's show, but that major, major mj hater, rosie o'donnell's show and i was the only one who agreed with her questioning of janet's integrity on that. every other poster didn't have an issue with it - just business. i'm sure when their reality show gets ready to premiere, the jackson 4 will do oprah's show to promote it.
Correct me if I'm wrong,but I think Janet appeared on the Rosie O'Donnell show in 2001,just before the release of her 'All For You' album.It wasn't until a few years later that Rosie called MJ a "pedeofile".She had seen him at a party and refused to speak to him.Before this,her feelings about MJ were unknown (I think).I doub that Janet would have appeared on her show if she had known about those vicious comments about her brother. nope. from a 2005 cbs news link: After the 1993 child molestation allegations, it became more than weird. To some, it was damning. Rosie O'Donnell, a frequent Jackson critic, scoffed at the idea that Jackson could be innocent in a 1994 interview with The Los Angeles Times: “They say that about priests; they say that about people's fathers and their brothers and the elementary schoolteacher and the soccer coach. They say it about every man who is accused ... Wake up.” http://www.cbsnews.com/st...age2.shtml imdb lists janet as having appeared on her show in feb 98, mar 01, and feb 02. as you can see from the cbs link, rosie had been popping off about mj from at least '94. but you know...it's just business, right.  and i believe the full story is that mj wanted to speak to rosie at liza and david's wedding in early 2002 and that's when she said she refused to speak with him because she didn't speak to pedophiles. is it possible that he wanted to ask her about her attitude towards him?
on edit: you can't make me believe that janet was unaware of rosie's attitude toward her brother. but for me it also raises a question for oprah and rosie - if you believe mj was such a predator, why have the predator's sibling on your show where you're laughing and joking and shit, unless you're going to confront them about why they're so supportive of said predator? see, again, i don't think i could be in the entertainment business in that phony capacity. [Edited 9/5/09 19:26pm] | |
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dreamfactory313 said: If Oprah doesn't do right by this show, she will be on my permanent shit list!
Yes, let's at least wait to see the show before we go dropping C words about it all. | |
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kibbles said: SoulAlive said: Correct me if I'm wrong,but I think Janet appeared on the Rosie O'Donnell show in 2001,just before the release of her 'All For You' album.It wasn't until a few years later that Rosie called MJ a "pedeofile".She had seen him at a party and refused to speak to him.Before this,her feelings about MJ were unknown (I think).I doub that Janet would have appeared on her show if she had known about those vicious comments about her brother. nope. from a 2005 cbs news link: After the 1993 child molestation allegations, it became more than weird. To some, it was damning. Rosie O'Donnell, a frequent Jackson critic, scoffed at the idea that Jackson could be innocent in a 1994 interview with The Los Angeles Times: “They say that about priests; they say that about people's fathers and their brothers and the elementary schoolteacher and the soccer coach. They say it about every man who is accused ... Wake up.” http://www.cbsnews.com/st...age2.shtml imdb lists janet as having appeared on her show in feb 98, mar 01, and feb 02. as you can see from the cbs link, rosie had been popping off about mj from at least '94. but you know...it's just business, right. and i believe the full story is that mj wanted to speak to rosie at liza and david's wedding in early 2002 and that's when she said she refused to speak with him because she didn't speak to pedophiles. is it possible that he wanted to ask her about her attitude towards him?
on edit: you can't make me believe that janet was unaware of rosie's attitude toward her brother. but for me it also raises a question for oprah and rosie - if you believe mj was such a predator, why have the predator's sibling on your show where you're laughing and joking and shit, unless you're going to confront them about why they're so supportive of said predator? see, again, i don't think i could be in the entertainment business in that phony capacity. WOW! I didn't know that Rosie has been dissing MJ for that long. | |
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I think you guys put these people on a pedestal a lil' TOO highly  | |
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Depends on what she's covering for the show.
If she's praising him- then she's a backstabber. If she's focusing on a tabloid-like show with sensationalism- then what else is new. Its probably for ratings. [Edited 9/5/09 21:21pm] | |
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SoulAlive said: kibbles said: nope. from a 2005 cbs news link: After the 1993 child molestation allegations, it became more than weird. To some, it was damning. Rosie O'Donnell, a frequent Jackson critic, scoffed at the idea that Jackson could be innocent in a 1994 interview with The Los Angeles Times: “They say that about priests; they say that about people's fathers and their brothers and the elementary schoolteacher and the soccer coach. They say it about every man who is accused ... Wake up.” http://www.cbsnews.com/st...age2.shtml imdb lists janet as having appeared on her show in feb 98, mar 01, and feb 02. as you can see from the cbs link, rosie had been popping off about mj from at least '94. but you know...it's just business, right. and i believe the full story is that mj wanted to speak to rosie at liza and david's wedding in early 2002 and that's when she said she refused to speak with him because she didn't speak to pedophiles. is it possible that he wanted to ask her about her attitude towards him?
on edit: you can't make me believe that janet was unaware of rosie's attitude toward her brother. but for me it also raises a question for oprah and rosie - if you believe mj was such a predator, why have the predator's sibling on your show where you're laughing and joking and shit, unless you're going to confront them about why they're so supportive of said predator? see, again, i don't think i could be in the entertainment business in that phony capacity. WOW! I didn't know that Rosie has been dissing MJ for that long. She's an idiot. She should not be calling someone names without knowing the full facts about the case, and like many, she just assumed and came to her own conclusion. What a loser. [Edited 9/5/09 21:26pm] | |
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I'll never forget when MJ did that radio interview with Jesse Jackson and Oprah hadn't even HEARD it, yet completely passed judgement on him. The part where Michael said he was drawing strength and inspiration from people like Nelson Mandela, and then Oprah jumped up and said he was COMPARING himself to Mandela. Bitch hadn't even heard the interview and she was judging him like everyone else.
I remember her slagging off Janet about 2 weeks after her interview with her as well - this was back when her show was actually broadcast over here. She mistook Vanity 6's Nasty Girl for Janet's Nasty and again, passed judgement on the Jacksons being a bad influence on children. | |
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Fuck her. All she did when she interviewed him was embarrass him over and over. | |
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FUCK OPRAH AND O'DONNELL.
And all those other two-faced snaggle tooth bitches. Oh yeah, and fuck Oprah. | |
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Ellie said: I'll never forget when MJ did that radio interview with Jesse Jackson and Oprah hadn't even HEARD it, yet completely passed judgement on him. The part where Michael said he was drawing strength and inspiration from people like Nelson Mandela, and then Oprah jumped up and said he was COMPARING himself to Mandela. Bitch hadn't even heard the interview and she was judging him like everyone else.
I remember her slagging off Janet about 2 weeks after her interview with her as well - this was back when her show was actually broadcast over here. She mistook Vanity 6's Nasty Girl for Janet's Nasty and again, passed judgement on the Jacksons being a bad influence on children. i remember that too, ellie. mj was not even close to comparing himself to any of those people. i recall that the poster at the other board wondered why janet was attending the 'black female legends'(?) thing oprah was giving when it was clear oprah had nothing but contempt for her brother, and as i said i was the only one who also questioned janet's integrity on that score. on edit: i wonder what she had to say about mandela's letter to the jackson family, offering his condolences at mj's death and praising mj? she's supposed to be so close to mandela, right? what does she have to say about his apparent high regard for mj? does she think mandela would be praising a child molester? oprah is a f***ing idiot. [Edited 9/6/09 11:45am] | |
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Well rosie did say this after his death.
"So now the crowds gather Endless tributes The kind of love and adoration he seemed to crave And he is not here to feel any of it Breaks my heart in every way For his children For the child he was For the dreams he tried to live up to" | |
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Oprha is good friends with Quincy Jones.I'm sure she will have him on the show,to discuss MJ too. | |
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voyevoda said: Well rosie did say this after his death.
"So now the crowds gather Endless tributes The kind of love and adoration he seemed to crave And he is not here to feel any of it Breaks my heart in every way For his children For the child he was For the dreams he tried to live up to" when and where exactly did she say this "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: voyevoda said: Well rosie did say this after his death.
"So now the crowds gather Endless tributes The kind of love and adoration he seemed to crave And he is not here to feel any of it Breaks my heart in every way For his children For the child he was For the dreams he tried to live up to" when and where exactly did she say this | |
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mimi07 said: voyevoda said: Well rosie did say this after his death.
"So now the crowds gather Endless tributes The kind of love and adoration he seemed to crave And he is not here to feel any of it Breaks my heart in every way For his children For the child he was For the dreams he tried to live up to" when and where exactly did she say this On her official blog at www.rosie.com She wrote a long blog after MJ's death.It's from several weeks ago,so you have to search for it.It's not as "harsh" as you would expect it to be. | |
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SoulAlive said: mimi07 said: when and where exactly did she say this On her official blog at www.rosie.com She wrote a long blog after MJ's death.It's from several weeks ago,so you have to search for it.It's not as "harsh" as you would expect it to be. i just saw it, thanks "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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voyevoda said: Well rosie did say this after his death.
"So now the crowds gather Endless tributes The kind of love and adoration he seemed to crave And he is not here to feel any of it Breaks my heart in every way For his children For the child he was For the dreams he tried to live up to" I could careless about two-faced people...everyone started to care abnd love Mj after his death but when he was alive they ripped him to shreds, Digusting human beings. MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: voyevoda said: Well rosie did say this after his death.
"So now the crowds gather Endless tributes The kind of love and adoration he seemed to crave And he is not here to feel any of it Breaks my heart in every way For his children For the child he was For the dreams he tried to live up to" I could careless about two-faced people...everyone started to care abnd love Mj after his death but when he was alive they ripped him to shreds, Digusting human beings. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: voyevoda said: Well rosie did say this after his death.
"So now the crowds gather Endless tributes The kind of love and adoration he seemed to crave And he is not here to feel any of it Breaks my heart in every way For his children For the child he was For the dreams he tried to live up to" I could careless about two-faced people...everyone started to care abnd love Mj after his death but when he was alive they ripped him to shreds, Digusting human beings. say it loud and clear one more time. like i think it was 50 cent who said something rude about michael a couple years ago but the DAY after he passed he announces he's making some tribute song. i mean DAMN people couldn't show michael just a little but of the love he's getting now just 3 months ago. people took advantage of him being here and expected him to be around forever to ridicule, GOD some people honestly make me sick "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: seeingvoices12 said: I could careless about two-faced people...everyone started to care abnd love Mj after his death but when he was alive they ripped him to shreds, Digusting human beings. say it loud and clear one more time. like i think it was 50 cent who said something rude about michael a couple years ago but the DAY after he passed he announces he's making some tribute song. i mean DAMN people couldn't show michael just a little but of the love he's getting now just 3 months ago. people took advantage of him being here and expected him to be around forever to ridicule, GOD some people honestly make me sick | |
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voyevoda said: Don't ask me where I heard this but I heard they fucked once.
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kibbles said: Ellie said: I'll never forget when MJ did that radio interview with Jesse Jackson and Oprah hadn't even HEARD it, yet completely passed judgement on him. The part where Michael said he was drawing strength and inspiration from people like Nelson Mandela, and then Oprah jumped up and said he was COMPARING himself to Mandela. Bitch hadn't even heard the interview and she was judging him like everyone else.
I remember her slagging off Janet about 2 weeks after her interview with her as well - this was back when her show was actually broadcast over here. She mistook Vanity 6's Nasty Girl for Janet's Nasty and again, passed judgement on the Jacksons being a bad influence on children. i remember that too, ellie. mj was not even close to comparing himself to any of those people. i recall that the poster at the other board wondered why janet was attending the 'black female legends'(?) thing oprah was giving when it was clear oprah had nothing but contempt for her brother, and as i said i was the only one who also questioned janet's integrity on that score. on edit: i wonder what she had to say about mandela's letter to the jackson family, offering his condolences at mj's death and praising mj? she's supposed to be so close to mandela, right? what does she have to say about his apparent high regard for mj? does she think mandela would be praising a child molester? oprah is a f***ing idiot. [Edited 9/6/09 11:45am] Oprah Heifery would loved it if someone compared her to mandela, believe me, she would love this so much, other people cannot be compared, she thinks that she is the all almighty.....Mj's relationship with Nelosn madela was always special, his reaction to his death is the prime example. MICHAEL JACKSON
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voyevoda said: mimi07 said: say it loud and clear one more time. like i think it was 50 cent who said something rude about michael a couple years ago but the DAY after he passed he announces he's making some tribute song. i mean DAMN people couldn't show michael just a little but of the love he's getting now just 3 months ago. people took advantage of him being here and expected him to be around forever to ridicule, GOD some people honestly make me sick Didn't Michael and 50 Cent have plans to work together?  They may have recorded a song together. | |
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SoulAlive said: voyevoda said: what did 50 say?
Didn't Michael and 50 Cent have plans to work together? They may have recorded a song together. [Edited 9/6/09 12:46pm] "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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