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PrintableSoulAlive said: I understand what you're saying but for me,it's strictly all about the music and performances.My only concern is "when is the next CD due?" and "when does the next tour begin?"
 All of the other stuff is irrelevent to me.I understand that Madonna is an icon to many,and she represents many things to these people.Maybe these people feel that Madonna has "let them down"? She didn't live up to THEIR expectations of her? I guess I'm getting too old or something (lol) because I don't care about those things anymore.I don't think that even SHE cares about her self-image anymore...or at least,not as much as she used to.
I do think the article is interesting,though. [Edited 7/28/09 16:54pm] I agree completely. I do find the article pretty good and Madonna did a few things which surprised me (for example the Britney Christina kiss was designed to shock but I guess it was kinda predictable) but I love her just because of her music and her shows and her attitude. The fact that she has changed over the years is what really makes her special. She seems not to be content with what she has achieved and to always want more (although since Confessions she also seems to have stopped pushing the boundaries musically). If people like an ever-changing chameleon they like Madonna (although my favourite phase of hers has to be 1982-1985. If people like just the beginning then they should adore Cyndi Lauper (I love her too) who has barely changed since then and her music still rocks | |
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SoulAlive said: I understand what you're saying but for me,it's strictly all about the music and performances.My only concern is "when is the next CD due?" and "when does the next tour begin?"
All of the other stuff is irrelevent to me.I understand that Madonna is an icon to many,and she represents many things to these people.Maybe these people feel that Madonna has "let them down"? She didn't live up to THEIR expectations of her? I guess I'm getting too old or something (lol) because I don't care about those things anymore.I don't think that even SHE cares about her self-image anymore...or at least,not as much as she used to.
I do think the article is interesting,though. [Edited 7/28/09 16:54pm] I'm with you. David. A third concern is "When is her new movie coming out?"...so I can avoid it! I tried watching both "Shanghai Surprise" and "I Am Because You Are" OnDemand for free...I couldn't make it through either! The other day "Dick Tracy" was on TV and even though it's one of her better movies, I slept through it (I did pull out "I'm Breathless" and listened to parts of it today...and realized why I didn't like it as a whole). I didn't even read the article. I'm more interested in Madonna's art (audio and visual) than anything else she has to offer. | |
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VinnyM27 said: SoulAlive said: I understand what you're saying but for me,it's strictly all about the music and performances.My only concern is "when is the next CD due?" and "when does the next tour begin?"
All of the other stuff is irrelevent to me.I understand that Madonna is an icon to many,and she represents many things to these people.Maybe these people feel that Madonna has "let them down"? She didn't live up to THEIR expectations of her? I guess I'm getting too old or something (lol) because I don't care about those things anymore.I don't think that even SHE cares about her self-image anymore...or at least,not as much as she used to.
I do think the article is interesting,though. [Edited 7/28/09 16:54pm] I'm with you. David. A third concern is "When is her new movie coming out?"...so I can avoid it! I tried watching both "Shanghai Surprise" and "I Am Because You Are" OnDemand for free...I couldn't make it through either! The other day "Dick Tracy" was on TV and even though it's one of her better movies, I slept through it (I did pull out "I'm Breathless" and listened to parts of it today...and realized why I didn't like it as a whole). I didn't even read the article. I'm more interested in Madonna's art (audio and visual) than anything else she has to offer. i liked I Am Because You Are but Shanghai Surprise i wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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CrozzaUK said: SoulAlive said: I agree.The article has some interesting views but I think the writer is over-analyzing things too much.I guess I'm getting old (lol) but I find myself not caring about all the "tabloid stuff" anymore.I just enjoy Madonna's music and her concerts.Don't really care about her face-lifts or what she's wearing,lol. I dont think they're over analyzing things at all - and i certainly dont get any tabloid references. Pretty much everything they talk about, opinions aside, is factual. they're trying to work out why the girl they fell in love with 25 years ago has provoked such extreme responses from people over the years - particularly in the last 5 years. As a Madge fan I wonder about this alot myself, and i find this article quite refreshing. I can never subscribe to the fan mentality that the woman can do no wrong - but i embrace her excesses as much as i loathe them too. I simply dont get how you can appreciate the full madonna experience on songs and performances alone. Its the entire package for me.....good points AND bad. Thats why i love how they conclude the article. On the one hand I resent the current Madonna from being so markedly different to the breath of fresh air that burst through in the early 80s, but on the other i love and admire her resilience and that ever present fuck you attitude she has. In a way thats never been more apparent than it has been over the last few years. I agree with you. The last part of the article put into perspective (and made me appreciate a little bit) some of the really annoying, boring, contrived stuff that she can sometimes be about in the last 10 years or so. There are times, even as the biggest Madonna fan that anyone who knows me is ever going to meet, that I just kind of roll my eyes and cover my ears and dream blissfully of Blond Ambition Madonna (w/ Warren Beatty accessory) and just wait for her next personality or publicity stunt to emerge. This article kind of gave me pause about it. So, there's that. Also, it was very funny  | |
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errant said: CrozzaUK said: I dont think they're over analyzing things at all - and i certainly dont get any tabloid references. Pretty much everything they talk about, opinions aside, is factual. they're trying to work out why the girl they fell in love with 25 years ago has provoked such extreme responses from people over the years - particularly in the last 5 years. As a Madge fan I wonder about this alot myself, and i find this article quite refreshing. I can never subscribe to the fan mentality that the woman can do no wrong - but i embrace her excesses as much as i loathe them too. I simply dont get how you can appreciate the full madonna experience on songs and performances alone. Its the entire package for me.....good points AND bad. Thats why i love how they conclude the article. On the one hand I resent the current Madonna from being so markedly different to the breath of fresh air that burst through in the early 80s, but on the other i love and admire her resilience and that ever present fuck you attitude she has. In a way thats never been more apparent than it has been over the last few years. I agree with you. The last part of the article put into perspective (and made me appreciate a little bit) some of the really annoying, boring, contrived stuff that she can sometimes be about in the last 10 years or so. There are times, even as the biggest Madonna fan that anyone who knows me is ever going to meet, that I just kind of roll my eyes and cover my ears and dream blissfully of Blond Ambition Madonna (w/ Warren Beatty accessory) and just wait for her next personality or publicity stunt to emerge. This article kind of gave me pause about it. So, there's that. Also, it was very funny I also like the idea that if people have loved "a" madonna from the past, they should have the capacity to love her now - as she's still true to "that madonna". You see it when u see her live, or when she lets her guard down in interviews....its definitely still there, just slightly more hidden. | |
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CrozzaUK said: errant said: I agree with you. The last part of the article put into perspective (and made me appreciate a little bit) some of the really annoying, boring, contrived stuff that she can sometimes be about in the last 10 years or so. There are times, even as the biggest Madonna fan that anyone who knows me is ever going to meet, that I just kind of roll my eyes and cover my ears and dream blissfully of Blond Ambition Madonna (w/ Warren Beatty accessory) and just wait for her next personality or publicity stunt to emerge. This article kind of gave me pause about it. So, there's that. Also, it was very funny I also like the idea that if people have loved "a" madonna from the past, they should have the capacity to love her now - as she's still true to "that madonna". You see it when u see her live, or when she lets her guard down in interviews....its definitely still there, just slightly more hidden. since rediscovered La Minogue in 99, this decade I've had my moments of questioning whether Madge was my preeminent diva or not. But than I watch her perform and I'm reminded that she will always be the one for me. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: since rediscovered La Minogue in 99, this decade I've had my moments of questioning whether Madge was my preeminent diva or not. But than I watch her perform and I'm reminded that she will always be the one for me.
I like Kylie, but ive never considered them in the same league. Kylie is a good example of having the songs and the performances, but lacking the charisma, lacking the extra factor that Madonna has. I saw Kylie live a couple of years back, and the show was great, but dull. She was very bland, no personality, and it really came across. Kylie is also a good figure to use in the context of this article, as she definitely doesnt elicit the same kind of gut reactions from straight men and women that Madonna does - yet they cover very similar musical territory. Kylie has always played a very safe game - never pushing the envelope, never seeking to stand for anything or push herself in people's faces, and i think that is where the two will always differ. | |
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Madonna "Celebration" remix in HQ
Madonna "Celebration" (remix featuring remastered sound) | |
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Check out Amazon.com for a small preview of the Album Version of "Celebration".
"Celebration" will be available as a digital download on August 4, the day after its radio premiere. http://www.amazon.com/gp/...75&sr=8-14 [Edited 7/29/09 9:47am] "There is no such thing in life as normal..." | |
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stevenpottle said: Check out Amazon.com for a small preview of the Album Version of "Celebration".
"Celebration" will be available as a digital download on August 4, the day after its radio premiere. http://www.amazon.com/gp/...75&sr=8-14 [Edited 7/29/09 9:47am] I'm liking it. I'm liking it a lot! What kind of single cover is that, though? Why put more effort into the the promo single cover? I guess with downloads, single art doesn't matter. But considering the fact that album covers show up on Ipod displays (don't they?), why not make a decent cover single? BTW, unless they made a mistake, the price of the song is listed as 99 cents, which is rare for a song by a major artist now of days. Notice Itunes, Amazon, Napster and probably all others are charging $1.29 for new AND old hits....could you believe that Jane Wiedlin's "Rush Hour" cost $1.29!) [Edited 7/29/09 11:02am] | |
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stevenpottle said: Check out Amazon.com for a small preview of the Album Version of "Celebration".
"Celebration" will be available as a digital download on August 4, the day after its radio premiere. http://www.amazon.com/gp/...75&sr=8-14 [Edited 7/29/09 9:47am] THANK YOU for posting that  ... but... I am really, really hoping the full track is much better than the snippet suggests.
It sounds like something Cascada would release.  I live in hope.  | |
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jayaredee said: SoulAlive said: I understand what you're saying but for me,it's strictly all about the music and performances.My only concern is "when is the next CD due?" and "when does the next tour begin?"
All of the other stuff is irrelevent to me.I understand that Madonna is an icon to many,and she represents many things to these people.Maybe these people feel that Madonna has "let them down"? She didn't live up to THEIR expectations of her? I guess I'm getting too old or something (lol) because I don't care about those things anymore.I don't think that even SHE cares about her self-image anymore...or at least,not as much as she used to.
I do think the article is interesting,though. [Edited 7/28/09 16:54pm] I agree, I don't have the patience to sit through reading an article analyzing her personality or their personal theories/opinions about her life or what she represents. Honestly even though everyone says that it's her image that is the center of attention over her music, all i know is I was listening to the Immaculate Collection before i had seen any of her videos. I just know i loved her music and from there i realized what a great performer she was. Her work is what interests me most. Look at the other fans gagging over her veiny arms or being critical of her age. I mean, really. Agreed - although I love all the pop fluff that goes with being a Madonna fan (the rumours, the outfits, the iconography, the interviews, the scandals ), it's always been about the music for me.  First and foremost.
Getting hold of the 'Immaculate Collection', listening to it in secret on my Walkman - under the covers - in my bedroom, and being discovered by my sister was a formative experience. To this day, I think it's possibly THE best singles collection ever. Or certainly up there. | |
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onenitealone said: jayaredee said: I agree, I don't have the patience to sit through reading an article analyzing her personality or their personal theories/opinions about her life or what she represents. Honestly even though everyone says that it's her image that is the center of attention over her music, all i know is I was listening to the Immaculate Collection before i had seen any of her videos. I just know i loved her music and from there i realized what a great performer she was. Her work is what interests me most. Look at the other fans gagging over her veiny arms or being critical of her age. I mean, really. Agreed - although I love all the pop fluff that goes with being a Madonna fan (the rumours, the outfits, the iconography, the interviews, the scandals ), it's always been about the music for me. First and foremost.
Getting hold of the 'Immaculate Collection', listening to it in secret on my Walkman - under the covers - in my bedroom, and being discovered by my sister was a formative experience. To this day, I think it's possibly THE best singles collection ever. Or certainly up there.Its hard to think of a more perfect greatest hits. She was so canny to get a GH album out after only 7 years. She knew that after that it would all be a compromise. That said she still left off a number of hit songs. Most people's GH albums contain a little filler - but this was most definitely all killer. Its 7 years of shape shifting sound and music - each song's a perfect slice of pop music. | |
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CrozzaUK said: ehuffnsd said: since rediscovered La Minogue in 99, this decade I've had my moments of questioning whether Madge was my preeminent diva or not. But than I watch her perform and I'm reminded that she will always be the one for me.
I like Kylie, but ive never considered them in the same league. Kylie is a good example of having the songs and the performances, but lacking the charisma, lacking the extra factor that Madonna has. I saw Kylie live a couple of years back, and the show was great, but dull. She was very bland, no personality, and it really came across. Kylie is also a good figure to use in the context of this article, as she definitely doesnt elicit the same kind of gut reactions from straight men and women that Madonna does - yet they cover very similar musical territory. Kylie has always played a very safe game - never pushing the envelope, never seeking to stand for anything or push herself in people's faces, and i think that is where the two will always differ. Kylie is edge-less, plus her work lacks the certain seriousness Madonna's work always had. With Madonna, there's always a sense of urgency, dosomething KNOW before it's too late, express yourself etc. I don't see any red string through Kylie's work. Also her music is too poppy whereas Madonna had more black influences and somehow her music is deeper than Kylie's. | |
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graecophilos said: CrozzaUK said: I like Kylie, but ive never considered them in the same league. Kylie is a good example of having the songs and the performances, but lacking the charisma, lacking the extra factor that Madonna has. I saw Kylie live a couple of years back, and the show was great, but dull. She was very bland, no personality, and it really came across. Kylie is also a good figure to use in the context of this article, as she definitely doesnt elicit the same kind of gut reactions from straight men and women that Madonna does - yet they cover very similar musical territory. Kylie has always played a very safe game - never pushing the envelope, never seeking to stand for anything or push herself in people's faces, and i think that is where the two will always differ. Kylie is edge-less, plus her work lacks the certain seriousness Madonna's work always had. With Madonna, there's always a sense of urgency, dosomething KNOW before it's too late, express yourself etc. I don't see any red string through Kylie's work. Also her music is too poppy whereas Madonna had more black influences and somehow her music is deeper than Kylie's. I wouldn't say Kylie is edgeless. I think on Fever and particularly on Body Language, her music was quite edgy. I agree with you about the lack of seriousness overall, but there are moments, particularly on Impossible Princess. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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RKJCNE said: heartbeatocean said: These are my favorite Madonna songs. I don't know the American Life album at all. And to add to the controversy, I think Music is my favorite M album from this decade. And I think Erotica is my favorite Madonna album. Thanks for asking. Music is a fucking great album! I really like it. It has an edge and a sparseness that really appeals to me. It feels a bit underground, compared to her other work. | |
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I'm a little surprised the full pop version has leaked yet. She's definately building buzz among fans. Could the song be on radio soon? I would be shocked it was a long lasting pop hit. It might peak high but that's isn't for sure. I know I'm excited. | |
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heartbeatocean said: RKJCNE said: Music is a fucking great album! I really like it. It has an edge and a sparseness that really appeals to me. It feels a bit underground, compared to her other work.Definitely, and overall i think its her most cohesive and consistent album it just doesn't have a valley for me its all peak. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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I find it ironic that people don't care for articles that are overly analytical of her career, personality, etc., yet spend so much time talking about her on the internet at a website that isn't even about her | |
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CrozzaUK said: onenitealone said: Agreed - although I love all the pop fluff that goes with being a Madonna fan (the rumours, the outfits, the iconography, the interviews, the scandals ), it's always been about the music for me. First and foremost.
Getting hold of the 'Immaculate Collection', listening to it in secret on my Walkman - under the covers - in my bedroom, and being discovered by my sister was a formative experience. To this day, I think it's possibly THE best singles collection ever. Or certainly up there.Its hard to think of a more perfect greatest hits. She was so canny to get a GH album out after only 7 years. She knew that after that it would all be a compromise. That said she still left off a number of hit songs. Most people's GH albums contain a little filler - but this was most definitely all killer. Its 7 years of shape shifting sound and music - each song's a perfect slice of pop music. the only thing that could have made it better is if songs were in their original single versions. as great a collection as it is, I haven't listened to it since probably 1992, preferring my own compilations that use the versions that were singles. | |
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SoulAlive said: Madonna "Celebration" remix in HQ
Madonna "Celebration" (remix featuring remastered sound) jeeze Madonna, enough with the "yeahs" already. it's lazy. | |
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stevenpottle said: Check out Amazon.com for a small preview of the Album Version of "Celebration".
"Celebration" will be available as a digital download on August 4, the day after its radio premiere. http://www.amazon.com/gp/...375&sr=8-1 Still not too impressed with this song It sounds like a typical Madonna remix. | |
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CrozzaUK said: The single cover:
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VinnyM27 said: I'm a little surprised the full pop version hasn't leaked yet. She's definately building buzz among fans. Could the song be on radio soon? I would be shocked it was a long lasting pop hit.It might peak high but that's isn't for sure. I know I'm excited.
This song isn't gonna do anything on US radio,but it'll be a big hit in the clubs and on the dance charts,which is clearly the audience that she is targeting. | |
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The new single "Celebration" has leaked! I'm listening to it right now.
I like the verses  but I don't like the chorus.I like the spoken part after the second chorus.
It's a lazy song,Madonna can do better than this. | |
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