Concert opener

With the tour kicking off in a month, what do people think will be the opening song for the show?

For me I think Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' is a safe bet.

Does anyone have another song they would love to see MJ start with and why?

(refrain from giving dream setlists as that has been covered here)

Swa

Proof? Any objective, intelligent person reading my debates with MJ loons wouldn't need proof, but since you're asking I'll give examples. Loons persistently claim he only mimes because it's hard to sing and dance at the same time. When you point out that he also mimes ballads which have no dancing in them, they completely ignore this and repeat the same already discredited argument. Rather than acknowledge the counter argument, they just pretend not to have heard it. That is devious.

I made the point that only shit singers mime in concert and proved it by asking Suga10 to name some good singers who do this. In response, he named Britney Spears and Madonna, even though he later admitted he knew full well they are shit singers. So he was being dishonest and devious when he listed them as good singers who mime (he also ignored the fact that Madonna's recent shows have been 100% live anyway). An honest response would have been to acknowledge the truth of my point, but he couldn't do that because it would reflect badly on his idol.

These are just small examples of the dishonesty that characterizes the MJ loon (please don't ask for more examples coz we'll be here all day, there are so many). The fact that they are completely oblivious to their own deceptions only underlines the necessity of blinding oneself if one wants to preserve a fantasy image of MJ. Self deception is an essential component of being an MJ fanatic. The strategy is to evade, evade, evade.

And by the way, the fact that you are speculating about my sexuality only provides more evidence of how immature and unsophisticated you are. Do you have any idea how childish that is? No, of course you don't. You're an MJ fan.

The whole point I was making was that MJ fans are NOT sincere when it comes to debate.

Why don't you go back to the KOP or MJJc or whatever they call his forums where everyone believes in lots of coincidences and have excuses upon excuses about MJ descent into complete weirdness. If you don't want people criticising MJ then it's a little stupid posting controversial things on another artist website, even if it is in the NoN-prince forum.

i never speculated about your sexuality, that was an example but i'm sure you heard sex and ran with it.

oh and you are a hypocrite you can yap and call mj fans devious, but when the tables are turned you have nothing to say.

for example the vitiligo debate. many haters on here still insist that it is possible for a medium brown skin person to bleach themselves completely white. but when i asked numerous times for these people to provide evidence that this has been done before such as pictures. what did they provide? nothing. they simply avoided the question and to this day still have not provided any proof that its possible but still insist that mj bleached his skin.

They post that same tired wikipedia quote and insist that's enough proof, however if you turn the tables you will see these same haters demanding video proof that mj can play instruments. so it's okay for them to only have a wikipedia article for them to be right, but album credits and word testimonies aren't enough for fans to be right, they must have video proof. you are a Hypocrite. so don't try to chastise mj fans when you haters do the exact same thing and do it worse i might add

he also ignored the fact that Madonna's recent shows have been 100% live anyway

MJ never got gradually lighter. If you look at some pics from 86-89 he's practically completely black as if it's 1984 again. It was seriously caked on make-up in 99% of public appearances though. You'd never guess that Captain EO was shot in 1985 as in public at the time he was as he was during We Are The World.

There are pics from late in the Bad era with proper dark skin, whereas in the videos and on tour he was a butterscotch colour.

I work with a guy with Vitiligo and he doesn't cover it up. He could pretty much go either way if he wanted to use make-up to be all one colour.

I do think MJ has gradually used bleaching to even out the patches, but that's no reason to think he's lying about Vitiligo. I mean FFS, his doctor testified under oath about his condition when that silly genitalia description shit was going on. I've got a photo from the Bad era where he's the same colour as he was a few years before and his face is also all red and sore like it's flaming up.

Her shows are never 100% live, it varies from tour to tour, on the latest/current one, the backing tape comes in several times, but her mic is always on. Best evidence is "She's Not Me" where the bridge and the chorus has the tape playing but she shouts over that.

And also, Madonna never mimed as much as MJ did on the HIStory tour, and never the ballads, or songs where she stood still. It's just that people are used to Madonna not sounding the same on record as live since day one, but when MJ failed to recreate the same vocals as he did on records, he had to change to miming.

I'm gonna get burned for this, but the HIStory tour was only slightly better than the latest Britney Spears tour when it came to miming. Like how Britney mimes the only ballad of the show while she's sitting, MJ was miming the likes of "Earth Song" & "Heal The World". Embarrassing.

don't feed the troll - he's hungry for attention

I would think it'd be easier to use makeup and darken the lighter, affected areas than to lighten his natural color to match the patches.

I recently read (or watched an interview, can't remember now) where Stevie Nicks said that before some performance, MJ sent someone to borrow some foundation from her, specifiying 'the lightest she had'. She said he sent it back, thanking her but didn't want it because it wasn't light enough. WTF?!

You can alway post excusively on the MJ forums, where no one is allowed to criticise Michael, that way you wouldn't need to get so defensive and you would be preaching to like minded people who believe 100% in coincidences.

So if I went to KOP now and said I think he is a Pedo(not that I necessarily do) and those kids are not biologically his, I wouldn't be banned

So if I went to KOP now and said I think he is a Pedo(not that I necessarily do) and those kids are not biologically his, I wouldn't be banned

that's funny because many fans on his forums there criticize him..i have said this over and over to you, stop generalizing a group of people.

I don't want to get into the vitiligo thing, but there are very good grounds for doubting his story. You say no black person has ever bleached themselves white before, but I've never heard of any vitiligo sufferer getting gradually whiter like Michael either. I read a link you posted of a supposed example, but the source was a website run by MJ fanatics that was totally devoted to exonerating Michael of every charge ever laid against him. It was clearly an untrustworthy source. I actually think wikipedia is a far more trustworthy source than a website devoted to defending MJ.

And by the way, look what I've just done. You made a point and I responded to it. Your point was COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT since as you yourself said, I have not participated in the vitiligo debates you're mentioning, but nonetheless, I was at least courteous enough to acknowlege your irrelevant point and give some kind of direct response. By contrast you have completely ignored my points about MJ's miming, which were actually pertinent to the subject in hand (MJ fans deviousness in debates). This proves everything I've been saying. I am simply more honest than you. I don't try to dodge points or change the subject half way through, as you just did.

So if I went to KOP now and said I think he is a Pedo(not that I necessarily do) and those kids are not biologically his, I wouldn't be banned