Concert opener

With the tour kicking off in a month, what do people think will be the opening song for the show?

For me I think Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' is a safe bet.

Does anyone have another song they would love to see MJ start with and why?

(refrain from giving dream setlists as that has been covered here)

Swa

midnightmover said:

I think both sides (the fact there are even sides is ridiculous) can take a breath and try in future to post without being rude, disrespectful and going for the personal attacks.

All of us are here to discuss the music, the up coming tour etc. Whilst I may not agree with every point of view expressed, I think when done with sincerity then it should be heard.

We don't need to be deliberately confrontational on here. There is no point.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

there's hardly any talk about the music from anyone here, from the MJ lovers perspective there seems to be more posts of photos than anything else, with a few youtubes posted. there's hardly anything posted that actually discusses the music. i'm one of the few that posts anything of value to this thread. the thread is to discuss MJ, not specifically the music, but MJ in general. it's called "let's talk all things michael jackson", not "michael jackson picture thread" or "michael jackson music discussion only". some poeple are fascinated by his personal life as it's extremely bizarre. those that some fans refer to as haters are likely people who were fans of MJ's music when he was popular in the 80s, and perhaps still enjoy that music, and some of the stuff that came afterwards, but nowadays are more interested in the three ring circus that surrounds him. add to that the denial and bizarre behavoir of many of his most hardcore fans, particularly the refusal to believe anything negative about him, regardless of the truth, and it makes for particularly entertaining reading

regarding the news stories, i don't think some people believe them as much as others refuse to disbelieve anything about them. clearly some of them have an element of truth about them, in fact perhaps most of them do. it's fairly easy to tell what are the least likely as they aren't usually repeated elsewhere and don't get formal acknowledgement, but they are posted so people can read them and discuss and comment on them. it's clear from the stories that there is genuine concern regarding his upcoming shows, whether it's for health reasons or legal reasons, shows have already been postponed, and i'd bet more shows will be postponed or cancelled, and i wouldn't be surprised if the whole lot were cancelled, it wouldn't be the first major event to be cancelled, and wouldn't be the last

one last thing about the tabloid stories, fans say they are speculative, unfounded and untrue. the exact same is true about the comments from fans who say that about those posts, they are simply speculating that they aren't true and have no evidence to confirm otherwise. that's not to say all stories are true or false, but there is no smoke without a fire, and there is usually some element of truth behind them

i'm all up for more discussion of music or MJ in general, but posting photos or videos isn't discussing music, and comments along the lines of "i love that" or "that's rubbish" aren't exactly discussions. with the new box set, there's been little to no discussion about it, only comments to say it's cool. that's not discussion. i started a thread to discussion chronologing his solo music from off the wall, including outtakes and collabs, but whilst one or two thought it was a good idea, only one person seemed interested in discussing the topic further, so it doesn't seem that the majority of posters are interested in discussing the music after all. you only have to look at who posts here and what they have actually posted, as evidence of that. when i make the effort to provide some input, some of my posts are referred to as essays and simply rubbished or ignored as no-one can disagree with most of what i say, you might not agree with it, but it happens to be true, otherwise someone would point it out

anyways if you want to discuss the music, how about some input on the chrono topic? once i've got something together for that i have a bunch more topics relating to the music. i can seperate the personal life from the music and discuss both seperately, but i'm interested in discussing many aspects, not just the music, and not just the weird behavoir. i have a pretty comprehensive collection of jacksons music and videos, but the only thing that makes me different from most other fans is my personal views regarding them. i like to view the work objectively, as i do with the work of other artists like prince. as much as i'm a prince fan, i'll be clear if he releases something that's shit or i don't like. like most fans, we know his music hasn't been of the same quality for a number of years, and aren't afraid to say it, although he still comes up with some really genuinely good albums from time to time, such as lotusflower, but MJ's music has declined since his prime, and he hasn't had any real standout tracks like prince with lotusflower or rainbow children, that make you think he still has it in him to come up with his best album yet. whilst you may like MJ, you can't discuss the music seriously if you can't be open an honest about the subject matter. that's the reason that some people have suggested some posters discuss the subject on MJ forums instead, where people can share the same biased viewpoint and post with the belief that the sun shines out of MJ's ass and he has done no wrong and is the king of pop for evermore. but this is a prince site where people discuss prince without bias or holding back, and aren't afraid to post all sorts of crap, tabloid stories or anything negative about him, thus consider it's only appropriate and fair game to discuss any other subject matter the same way. if people want to post funny photos or jokes about MJ there's no need to get your knickers in a twist about it. if you get upset about something like that, then i think you need to have a think about yourself, as that's not healthy. MJ is a prime candidate for jokes, he's put himself in that position, so bring on the humour. there's plenty of time and space to discuss things both seriously and humorously. i inserted some humorous photos into some ridiculous news stories to highlight the ridiculousness of the situation and some people acted like i drew mohammed with a bomb in his turban. if you have a sense of humour you don't need to hide it, how about some MJ humour from the fans perspective? plus some of the discussion about music that everyone seems to want, but doesn't seem to post?

Annika said:

most people except haters, don't find that mess funny frankly its tired and worn out, i mean "wacko jacko" oh my goodness like haters haven't been calling him that since the 80's talk about living in the past.

i don't believe the articles are gospel or post anything to make anyone think that. people can make up their own minds what they think about it, if you want to laugh about it, fair enough, i find most of it hilarious myself, the photos hilight the hilarity of the situation. most of the photos accompanied the articles, such as the perez hilton posts, i think i only changed the photos on 3 of them for fun as people were suggesting i changed the previous ones myself when i just copied the articles verbatim

as ellie says, it's fun to look at these articles and laugh at them. the newspapers and websites wouldn't publish them if people didn't find them entertaining. it's ironic that the fans don't like reading articles about their idol. i find it funny when people post daft stories about prince and don't get upset about it, they can say what they want. it only seems to be MJ fans that get up in arms about stuff like that

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I think any objective person reading my debates with MJ loons in recent months would recognize that I was using logical points and the loons were shamelessly evading the points. People only evade important points when they have no response to them. It's a sign of intellectual bankruptcy and deviousness. What's worse, the MJ loons are completely unaware of their own behaviour. You may criticize me for being rude, but at least I know I'm being rude. You guys don't even realize when you are being brazenly dishonest. That lack of self-awareness is just one reason why you've earned the label "MJ loons".

Concert opener

With the tour kicking off in a month, what do people think will be the opening song for the show?

For me I think Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' is a safe bet.

Does anyone have another song they would love to see MJ start with and why?

(refrain from giving dream setlists as that has been covered here)

Swa

Why????

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I think any objective person reading my debates with MJ loons in recent months would recognize that I was using logical points and the loons were shamelessly evading the points. People only evade important points when they have no response to them. It's a sign of intellectual bankruptcy and deviousness. What's worse, the MJ loons are completely unaware of their own behaviour. You may criticize me for being rude, but at least I know I'm being rude. You guys don't even realize when you are being brazenly dishonest. That lack of self-awareness is just one reason why you've earned the label "MJ loons".

Concert opener

With the tour kicking off in a month, what do people think will be the opening song for the show?

For me I think Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' is a safe bet.

Does anyone have another song they would love to see MJ start with and why?

(refrain from giving dream setlists as that has been covered here)

Swa

Swa said:

It will NEVER happen but I Wanna Be Where You Are. It has the perfect opening lyric.

Are any of you actually flying over for it? I thank my lucky stars every day that the venue is about 20 minutes away from home. At the very least we're saving hotel bills for a few friends.

Are any of you actually flying over for it? I thank my lucky stars every day that the venue is about 20 minutes away from home. At the very least we're saving hotel bills for a few friends.

midnightmover said:

how about providing some proof instead of posting the same message over and over again. you I'm starting to think you actuallly love mj and just don't want anybody to know. sort of a those down low gay people who bash out and open gay people so people won't think their gay. yeah that must be it.
it makes no sense for someone to spend so much time talking about someone they hate. i know when i don't like someone if don't even think about about, i ignore them. i don't spend hours trying to get other people to hate them.

cdcgold said:

Proof? Any objective, intelligent person reading my debates with MJ loons wouldn't need proof, but since you're asking I'll give examples. Loons persistently claim he only mimes because it's hard to sing and dance at the same time. When you point out that he also mimes ballads which have no dancing in them, they completely ignore this and repeat the same already discredited argument. Rather than acknowledge the counter argument, they just pretend not to have heard it. That is devious.

I made the point that only shit singers mime in concert and proved it by asking Suga10 to name some good singers who do this. In response, he named Britney Spears and Madonna, even though he later admitted he knew full well they are shit singers. So he was being dishonest and devious when he listed them as good singers who mime (he also ignored the fact that Madonna's recent shows have been 100% live anyway). An honest response would have been to acknowledge the truth of my point, but he couldn't do that because it would reflect badly on his idol.

These are just small examples of the dishonesty that characterizes the MJ loon (please don't ask for more examples coz we'll be here all day, there are so many). The fact that they are completely oblivious to their own deceptions only underlines the necessity of blinding oneself if one wants to preserve a fantasy image of MJ. Self deception is an essential component of being an MJ fanatic. The strategy is to evade, evade, evade.

And by the way, the fact that you are speculating about my sexuality only provides more evidence of how immature and unsophisticated you are. Do you have any idea how childish that is? No, of course you don't. You're an MJ fan.

cdcgold said:

Proof? Any objective, intelligent person reading my debates with MJ loons wouldn't need proof, but since you're asking I'll give examples. Loons persistently claim he only mimes because it's hard to sing and dance at the same time. When you point out that he also mimes ballads which have no dancing in them, they completely ignore this and repeat the same already discredited argument. Rather than acknowledge the counter argument, they just pretend not to have heard it. That is devious.

I made the point that only shit singers mime in concert and proved it by asking Suga10 to name some good singers who do this. In response, he named Britney Spears and Madonna, even though he later admitted he knew full well they are shit singers. So he was being dishonest and devious when he listed them as good singers who mime (he also ignored the fact that Madonna's recent shows have been 100% live anyway). An honest response would have been to acknowledge the truth of my point, but he couldn't do that because it would reflect badly on his idol.

These are just small examples of the dishonesty that characterizes the MJ loon (please don't ask for more examples coz we'll be here all day, there are so many). The fact that they are completely oblivious to their own deceptions only underlines the necessity of blinding oneself if one wants to preserve a fantasy image of MJ. Self deception is an essential component of being an MJ fanatic. The strategy is to evade, evade, evade.

And by the way, the fact that you are speculating about my sexuality only provides more evidence of how immature and unsophisticated you are. Do you have any idea how childish that is? No, of course you don't. You're an MJ fan.

How can he be a shit singer just because of the fact that he mimes? He went for nearly 20 years without ever miming in concert. Then when it became common plac to do it, he followed the crowd.

I say he's shit at controlling his voice and creating the balance required between dancing and singing, plus he never ate healthily after he hit 30 and was never really physically fit enough. This argument is a weird one. On the one hand for example on the HIStory tour he sang She's Out Of My Life wonderfully, on the other hand I've never heard him even bother to sing anything other than adlibs on You Are Not Alone.

If he's such a perfectionist and is afraid of sounding shit, how come he always always always sang Wanna Be Startin Somethin live, and most of the time sounded terrible in doing so? Then by being so out of breath he'd slip in to Human Nature live and sound even worse, or he'd mime Stranger In Moscow.

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I did say before though that I'm expecting the worst and can only be surprised if anything turns out better than the HIStory tour.

Ellie said:

I think the problem Michael has vocal wise is that when he began to add more dance routines into his stage shows, he felt he couldn't work on his vocals so he rather dance because he knew fans on stage that were in front wouldn't care. Some would've still thought of nothing of it other than Michael giving a good show. Maybe he's trying to change that for the o2 shows, who knows?

Concert opener

With the tour kicking off in a month, what do people think will be the opening song for the show?

For me I think Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' is a safe bet.

Does anyone have another song they would love to see MJ start with and why?

(refrain from giving dream setlists as that has been covered here)

Swa

I want the opener to be "Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough". But it'll probably be "Thriller".

Timmy84 said:

NOOOOO...

Something new, fresh blood and freah ideas.

seeingvoices12 said:

You know it's gonna be some old shit.

It would've been great if they had included the songs from the Wonderlove sessions but Stevie has a tight grip on any unreleased material


They also could've included the single version of Take Me Back and the movie version of Ben.

I hope Motown and Hip O Select will start releasing unreleased material again

Motown has released a bit over 210 songs from the '69-75 era and since the group and Michael solo recorded around 470, they could do alot

like a "The Jackson 5 Sings Stevie Wonder" or "The Jackson 5 Sings Marvin Gaye" or even "The Jackson 5 Sings Classics of Motown" album

bboy87 said:

yea even some unreleased solo songs...i was so excited when i saw the tracklisting but when i actually read it the next day i was disappointed, ESPECIALLY since, seeing how its a SOLO mj comp, they decided to add the J5 tracks from looking back to yesterday. i wouldve KILLED for a remastered version of "i've gotta be me"...

or at least Jackson 5ive: Coverage