StarCat said:

This is great. I hope that this case opens up all kinds of windows for people who need it.

I heard Chris Brown fired his manager and others for a "fresh start"

If I'm not mistaken, it seems that most of the men who are begging for this day in court are black, perhaps even Latin. How much of the response is cultural?

Josh Brolin?

I hope Diane's not taking any crap from him today.

Okay, I just heard audio of Diddy on Ellen and he sounded crazy defensive. What’s that all about? Maybe he was having flashbacks.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What do you mean "begging for this day in court"?

JackieBlue said:

Diddy was stank. I think he's defensive because of his own situations. I got the impression that he's done some dirt himself but it never go out into the public.

Did anyone see Oprah today with Tyra? That was a big show, but not completely satisfying. I wanted an expert panel or something and not just Oprah and Tyra. The interviews with teens and past victims of DV (or the family of deceased victims) was riveting, though. And the clip of Chris on Tyra's show was an eye-opener. Chris is not well spoken at all, I see. For some reason I expected him to be more articulate.

Oprah got that power, though. Wow. Almost every other show covered HER show. Just saw a recap on Larry King and in a minute Anderson Cooper will recap bits of it. It's like many media outlets are looking for someone of Oprah's stature to give some direction or something. Tyra kept running her mouth, but she did make a few good points. I liked how she said that Rihanna is just a singer and susceptible to the same vicious cycle that many abuse victims fall into. I'd like to pop her in her head for being dumb (the last thing she needs, I know), but I also understand that she can't give what she doesn't have. People have to learn things in a way that feels real to them. I've never been in a DV situation, but I did fall for a crackhead once (I didn't know he smoked when I met him) and it was one horrific ride. Everyone told me what to do, and I knew they were right, but I didn't walk until I got good and ready.

I aint worried this duet stuff, cause if true, it wouldn't come out until next year if it comes out at all. I doubt they'll have anything to do with each other by then. I am more concerned with them both still being alive by then...I'm just sayin'.

You know, thinking back I had noticed that Chris seemed more aggressive in the last year or so. He seemed "edgy" in interviews and started walking around with T-shirts that said "Get Off My Dick!!". Then in a lot of pics, he seemed to be sweating profusely. Anyone heard anything about possible drug use?
[Edited 3/12/09 20:12pm]

SUPRMAN said:

That just it, there's quite a bit of legal and personal obstacles to overcome. It's not as simple as women having a change of heart about pressing charges or rescind a restraining order and that happens a lot. In many cases women walk away from the court process because they're frustrated and overwhelmed. The length of time between arrest, arraignment, and trial date.... can up to a year or longer.. The vast majority of domestic assault defendants face misdemeanor charges, which usually results in no jail time, no or a minimal fine, no counseling, assistance and/or court ordered supervised treatment for substance abuse, if needed. In many cases violation of orders of protection go unabated and violators aren't arrested.

Until a women in Illinois was killed last year, if an abuser was on parole (for prior conviction) violation of an order of protection didn't qualify as an automatic parole violation. Under current state law still, warrants are only required to be issued for parolees who commit felonies with a knife or gun or who don't register as sex offenders. All other parole-violation warrants were issued at the Department of Corrections (IODC) at their discretion, and judged on a case-by-case basis. Which meant, if you were charged with misdemeanor domestic battery (until now) you couldn't be arrested and held on a parole violation, while the state parole review board investigated whether your parole should be revoked. Even when men have been charged and convicted of domestic abuse they still have a legal right to see their children. Former girlfriends/wives could have been beaten an inch of their lives, received permission by the courts to leave the State (gotten new Social Security Number's for herself and their children) to live in hiding but if a father wants to see his children (even under court supervision) that mother has to relinquish her home phone number and address.

Which leaves use to the biggest problem, who makes the decision on what constitutes a misdemeanor or a felony. Though most States including Illinois have criteria for what is domestic felony (chocking, history of domestic violence, sexual assault, stalking, use of weapon, bodily injure etc, etc) domestic felonies charges against defendant's number in the hundreds. Even when it's been documented and/or evidence has been presented most abusers are charged with a misdemeanor. The reasons vary why felony charges aren't pursued: lack of resources, gender bias, overtaxed D.A. office/ court system, race/class, misperceptions, and indifference. I've just given you a very brief over of the issues and complexities.....
[Edited 3/12/09 23:50pm]

viciuzurban said:

Can you tell us what this link is that you posted?

Before any of us click on it, we at least need to know the content, and (as per site rules), whether or not this link is unsuitable for work (NSFW).



Is it an interview clip?

Ottensen said:

It's some "exotic dancers" backing it up.
[Edited 3/13/09 0:36am]

purplesweat said:

Thanks, but I'll pass

Ottensen said:

quit acting like you didnt watch it

purplesweat said:

im shocked. ahahah backing it up? wtf? what about the chris brown references? taking it down and women in general.

viciuzurban said:

Actually I didn't. That was the point of me asking what it was.

When there is no clear description shown, I always ask fisrt before I click any link here. Additionally, I always inform other orgers of the content of any link I post out of consideration

viciuzurban said:

I watched maybe 10 seconds before turning it off.

bettybop said:

I watched Oprah and also wished a professional was on there. I sooo wished Dr. Robin could have come back for this topic. She’s on point about a lot of stuff. I think there was too much time spent on people’s personal experiences and not enough spent on HOW and WHY. The girl who was pregnant

I am glad that Oprah will be continuing the topic next Thursday. Roland Harris had a good point with Anderson Cooper. He said we shouldn’t just focus on why or if she and women like this go back to men but discuss what is the anger that these men are harboring that make them explode. What’s inside of men who do this.

As for Diddy, there have been rumors of him being abusive for years but it’s kept very hush hush even moreso than the other rumors about him.
[Edited 3/13/09 5:55am]

oh boy she's 21 ... if she goes back she will learn from her mistake ...if he takes her back he will learn from his mistake...

Chris should be as far away from this girl as she should be away from him ....

they will learn ....the hard way ...like we all do in life....



If they get help ....it may work out but it's how hard you want to work at it...

People like oprah should give people the whole story not just the headlines..

bettybop said:

The complete inability to, for even a second, acknowledge that an assault went down and that there is no possibility to admit an assault happened without the courts saying so. In otherwords allowing the lack of "justice", for black men in the general system, to drive their inability to see this on the face of it for what it is: an assault. They are asking for facts and rationality, meanwhile a woman was hospitalized from the situation. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out an assault happened and why can't they even admit it?

Regardless of whether Rhianna provoked him, he didn't have to respond the way he did. People will defend him even if he's found guilty.
[Edited 3/13/09 10:15am]

did any body post this yet? its the link to the CB search warrant and affidavit. man the details keep getting more and more shocking.


http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz..._02_wm.swf

JackieBlue said:

Diddy is a hitter too. Fuck that fool and his whack ass colongne.

Rhianna--LEAVE HIMMMM!! ARRGGH.

DesireeNevermind said:

Well, we can put this crazy rumor to bed now, according to People:




Also, Rihanna was out and about in New York today. Not sure why but I do like her blazer (perhaps a shirt would've been useful underneath, though?)



And Jackieblue, are you referring to Roland Martin? I found him great last night too!! So nice to hear a male perspecitve. And I am glad Oprah will feature abusers next Thursday. She needs to keep talking about this, otherwise it just looks like she's cashing in on the latest sensational story (which she is, but still...she could do some good by continuing the discussion).

I envy Rihanna's small boobs but dayum she got an 8-head. She betta not marry CB and fall for that "baby im sorry and will neva do it again" bullshit.

He put you in a choke hold and bit you bitch...wake up!!

bettybop said:

Yes, Roland Martin. I always screw up his name.

If there are young men in the audience I hope there is a male authority to speak to them. There really needs to be a man's voice in this.

One thing that just struck me out of the blue hearing Gayle read the affidavit (I'm watching last week's episode for the first time). The description of her hands locked behind her head with elbows brought forward to protect her face... that's a classic dare I say experienced move. oh well. to be continued...

Heh, I KNEW those duet rumours were false.

i thought forehead be hating on the club? what she doing there?

viciuzurban said:

Where does it say she's at a club? It just says "out and about".

DesireeNevermind said:

I'm prolly going to go to hell for this but

JackieBlue said:

Exactly. We have to get to the root on both sides of the problem
[Edited 3/14/09 1:27am]

Ottensen said:

They are individuals who can be triggered into reacting emotionally rather than logically.
Someone who is sadistic is a different breed.
And then there are co-dependent relationships.