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PrintableGraycap23 said: EmbattledWarrior said: Mj knows to work digital and analogue recording equipment. Knows how to play a variety of instruments decently (not to princes level of course) Knows how to drum program, how to record and set up vocal harmonies... set up string patterns.. knows how to sample... Know how to write a song so ... What skill doesn't he have...? What song can I listen 2 that Mike performed all of those skills on? go check the credits of HIStory... Guess who played all the instruments and did most of the production? I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Graycap23 said: What song can I listen 2 that Mike performed all of those skills on? go check the credits of HIStory... Guess who played all the instruments and did most of the production? U ever heard of work 4 hire? | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: Graycap23 said: What song can I listen 2 that Mike performed all of those skills on? go check the credits of HIStory... Guess who played all the instruments and did most of the production? I'm still waiting.....hours later, still no answer. | |
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Graycap23 said: EmbattledWarrior said: go check the credits of HIStory... Guess who played all the instruments and did most of the production? U ever heard of work 4 hire? Dude... Work For Hire is no longer applicable music industry, hasn't been since like the 70's And even if it were a work for hire sittuation, MJ would've done it for every album. He didn't get the same creds as he did in History... He produced a fair majority of that album by itself. 2, its completely asanine to have worked in the music industry (unless your madonna) and not have learned the trade... And i'm just saying that because thats simple logistics... In reality i do know MJ produces his own stuff, because i had connections at the Hit Factory, I even know Michaels preference to computer software. Which was (then) Logic 6.1 Platinum K... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Graycap23 said: U ever heard of work 4 hire? Dude... Work For Hire is no longer applicable music industry, hasn't been since like the 70's And even if it were a work for hire sittuation, MJ would've done it for every album. He didn't get the same creds as he did in History... He produced a fair majority of that album by itself. 2, its completely asanine to have worked in the music industry (unless your madonna) and not have learned the trade... And i'm just saying that because thats simple logistics... In reality i do know MJ produces his own stuff, because i had connections at the Hit Factory, I even know Michaels preference to computer software. Which was (then) Logic 6.1 Platinum K... lol.....u obviously know more about the music business than I do. Peace. | |
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Oh, Dear! Everybody's working on Mike's new album - even my housekeeper...  | |
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Michael is really desperate. | |
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fantasticjoy said: Michael is really desperate.
It certainly looks that way. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: Graycap23 said: U ever heard of work 4 hire? Dude... Work For Hire is no longer applicable music industry, hasn't been since like the 70's And even if it were a work for hire sittuation, MJ would've done it for every album. He didn't get the same creds as he did in History... He produced a fair majority of that album by itself. 2, its completely asanine to have worked in the music industry (unless your madonna) and not have learned the trade... And i'm just saying that because thats simple logistics... In reality i do know MJ produces his own stuff, because i had connections at the Hit Factory, I even know Michaels preference to computer software. Which was (then) Logic 6.1 Platinum K... Cool! Good to read a post by someone who knows what he is talking about instead of the b.s. that abounds in most Michael Jackson-related threads. | |
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Rodya24 said: EmbattledWarrior said: Dude... Work For Hire is no longer applicable music industry, hasn't been since like the 70's And even if it were a work for hire sittuation, MJ would've done it for every album. He didn't get the same creds as he did in History... He produced a fair majority of that album by itself. 2, its completely asanine to have worked in the music industry (unless your madonna) and not have learned the trade... And i'm just saying that because thats simple logistics... In reality i do know MJ produces his own stuff, because i had connections at the Hit Factory, I even know Michaels preference to computer software. Which was (then) Logic 6.1 Platinum K... Cool! Good to read a post by someone who knows what he is talking about instead of the b.s. that abounds in most Michael Jackson-related threads. The only problem? It's 100% incorrect. | |
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Graycap23 said: Rodya24 said: Cool! Good to read a post by someone who knows what he is talking about instead of the b.s. that abounds in most Michael Jackson-related threads. The only problem? It's 100% incorrect. How is it so? Are you saying EmbattledWarrior is lying? | |
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Rodya24 said: Graycap23 said: The only problem? It's 100% incorrect. How is it so? Are you saying EmbattledWarrior is lying? I'm telling u that there r people that make a living at "working 4 hire", sell their work outright 4 a nice fee, and move on 2 the next artist. | |
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Graycap23 said: Rodya24 said: How is it so? Are you saying EmbattledWarrior is lying? I'm telling u that there r people that make a living at "working 4 hire", sell their work outright 4 a nice fee, and move on 2 the next artist. Unless you have proof that Michael Jackson does this, I am going to believe someone who works in the music business -- EmbattledWarrior. He criticizes Michael Jackson often on the Org, so he is far from being a delusional fan. And why do you care whether or not Michael Jackson produces his entire album alone? Are you not a Janet Jackson fan, like Cinnamon234 pointed out? I assume that you are an ex-fan of Michael Jackson. If you are, why stick around and post on a thread on his new album? If you are apathetic, move on. | |
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Rodya24 said: Graycap23 said: I'm telling u that there r people that make a living at "working 4 hire", sell their work outright 4 a nice fee, and move on 2 the next artist. Unless you have proof that Michael Jackson does this, I am going to believe someone who works in the music business -- EmbattledWarrior. He criticizes Michael Jackson often on the Org, so he is far from being a delusional fan. And why do you care whether or not Michael Jackson produces his entire album alone? Are you not a Janet Jackson fan, like Cinnamon234 pointed out? I assume that you are an ex-fan of Michael Jackson. If you are, why stick around and post on a thread on his new album? If you are apathetic, move on. Hummm..... last I checked, I work in the busines as well. Believe what u wish. | |
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Graycap23 said: Rodya24 said: Unless you have proof that Michael Jackson does this, I am going to believe someone who works in the music business -- EmbattledWarrior. He criticizes Michael Jackson often on the Org, so he is far from being a delusional fan. And why do you care whether or not Michael Jackson produces his entire album alone? Are you not a Janet Jackson fan, like Cinnamon234 pointed out? I assume that you are an ex-fan of Michael Jackson. If you are, why stick around and post on a thread on his new album? If you are apathetic, move on. Hummm..... last I checked, I work in the busines as well. Believe what u wish. Again, unless you have proof that Michael Jackson does work for hire, I am going to assume that what you are saying about Michael Jackson in particular is not true. His work with his brothers at Epic and work for other artists and for himself speak for themselves. Besides, why do you care about his new album, if you are an ex-fan. If you are apathetic, move on. | |
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Rodya24 said: Graycap23 said: Hummm..... last I checked, I work in the busines as well. Believe what u wish. Again, unless you have proof that Michael Jackson does work for hire, I am going to assume that what you are saying about Michael Jackson in particular is not true. His work with his brothers at Epic and work for other artists and for himself speak for themselves. Besides, why do you care about his new album, if you are an ex-fan. If you are apathetic, move on. Just help me with my request: What song can I listen 2, where Mj produced the entire song by himself? I'm talking about the writing, the arrangement, the instrumentation, and the performance. | |
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Graycap23 said: Rodya24 said: Again, unless you have proof that Michael Jackson does work for hire, I am going to assume that what you are saying about Michael Jackson in particular is not true. His work with his brothers at Epic and work for other artists and for himself speak for themselves. Besides, why do you care about his new album, if you are an ex-fan. If you are apathetic, move on. Just help me with my request: What song can I listen 2, where Mj produced the entire song by himself? I'm talking about the writing, the arrangement, the instrumentation, and the performance. Check out Morphine and They Don't Care About Us -- that is the closest I can come to your request. There are also other songs on HISTORY and BLOOD ON THE DANCEFLOOR. Again, why do you care so much whether or not a song is the product of one person alone? Other than classical music, modern popular music, I thought, was a cooperative effort. Even the former requires more than one person. | |
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Graycap23 said: Rodya24 said: Cool! Good to read a post by someone who knows what he is talking about instead of the b.s. that abounds in most Michael Jackson-related threads. The only problem? It's 100% incorrect. No it's not, and if you worked for the biz you should know that. I've been doing this for 5 years and i've never seen a work for hire case... Because nobody uses it in the industry because of the ease for copyright infringement, though work for hire is boundless by the law, the creative process isn't under it. IE a bunch of motifs created while making the work, but never used. Unlike say films, where a cinemotographer hires a work for hire contractor on a specific part of the movie, thats usually because the director or othe rfilm makers has an idea in mind but can't achieve it somehow and needs a contractor who specializes in it. In music it isn't so simple. Music is ambiguous and is almost unintelllible when or when not it is for hire... I think its more common for an album to be work for hire than a song but i really have't seen any work for hire cases so what do i know I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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novabrkr said: If they are going for an "Off The Wall" -type of sound - then why don't work with people who actually know how to orchestrate the instruments that were used to make that album and its sound?
Because keyboard workstations like THIS (Korg M3) has replace all of that:  | |
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vainandy said: I don't think he should work with any producers. He should get together with his brothers and they should write, produce, and play all the songs with real instruments and real funk. He should just ignore what's on the radio today and what's been on the radio for the last 15 years. No, his album wouldn't be a huge mainstream success, but like Prince, he has a huge enough fan base that will buy anything that he puts out so he could at least save his musical reputation with smaller sales from his fanbase rather than a huge sellout mainstream smash. VA, we're talking about Michael Jackson, The King Of Pop, a man with a professional ego that will not allow him to settle for "smaller" record sales like Prince or Madonna. 
For anything, I wonder how much money is he going to spend on a new video this time around. We know Michael loves to make a statement with expensive videos that cost $10+ million each.  | |
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Graycap23 said: Rodya24 said: Again, unless you have proof that Michael Jackson does work for hire, I am going to assume that what you are saying about Michael Jackson in particular is not true. His work with his brothers at Epic and work for other artists and for himself speak for themselves. Besides, why do you care about his new album, if you are an ex-fan. If you are apathetic, move on. Just help me with my request: What song can I listen 2, where Mj produced the entire song by himself? I'm talking about the writing, the arrangement, the instrumentation, and the performance. Stranger In Mosocw. It's a song of his History album. imo it's his best song ever. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: Graycap23 said: The only problem? It's 100% incorrect. No it's not, and if you worked for the biz you should know that. I've been doing this for 5 years and i've never seen a work for hire case... Because nobody uses it in the industry because of the ease for copyright infringement, though work for hire is boundless by the law, the creative process isn't under it. IE a bunch of motifs created while making the work, but never used. Unlike say films, where a cinemotographer hires a work for hire contractor on a specific part of the movie, thats usually because the director or othe rfilm makers has an idea in mind but can't achieve it somehow and needs a contractor who specializes in it. In music it isn't so simple. Music is ambiguous and is almost unintelllible when or when not it is for hire... I think its more common for an album to be work for hire than a song but i really have't seen any work for hire cases so what do i know Spare me that nonsense. Work 4 hire, payola and a host of other things are in full effect. | |
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Graycap23 said: EmbattledWarrior said: No it's not, and if you worked for the biz you should know that. I've been doing this for 5 years and i've never seen a work for hire case... Because nobody uses it in the industry because of the ease for copyright infringement, though work for hire is boundless by the law, the creative process isn't under it. IE a bunch of motifs created while making the work, but never used. Unlike say films, where a cinemotographer hires a work for hire contractor on a specific part of the movie, thats usually because the director or othe rfilm makers has an idea in mind but can't achieve it somehow and needs a contractor who specializes in it. In music it isn't so simple. Music is ambiguous and is almost unintelllible when or when not it is for hire... I think its more common for an album to be work for hire than a song but i really have't seen any work for hire cases so what do i know Spare me that nonsense. Work 4 hire, payola and a host of other things are in full effect. Payola is a different story, That i HAVE seen in full affect... Work 4 hire is a ghost concept in the industry.. Give me a confirmed contemporary work for hire media... Shit like David Foster doing Work for hire, on thriller I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Graycap23 said: Spare me that nonsense. Work 4 hire, payola and a host of other things are in full effect. Payola is a different story, That i HAVE seen in full affect... Work 4 hire is a ghost concept in the industry.. Give me a confirmed contemporary work for hire media... Shit like David Foster doing Work for hire, on thriller Go thing my house note does not depend on what U know. I'm out. | |
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Graycap23 said: EmbattledWarrior said: Payola is a different story, That i HAVE seen in full affect... Work 4 hire is a ghost concept in the industry.. Give me a confirmed contemporary work for hire media... Shit like David Foster doing Work for hire, on thriller Go thing my house note does not depend on what U know. I'm out. The man that hath no music in himself Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils. Namaste  I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: I don't think he should work with any producers. He should get together with his brothers and they should write, produce, and play all the songs with real instruments and real funk. He should just ignore what's on the radio today and what's been on the radio for the last 15 years. No, his album wouldn't be a huge mainstream success, but like Prince, he has a huge enough fan base that will buy anything that he puts out so he could at least save his musical reputation with smaller sales from his fanbase rather than a huge sellout mainstream smash. VA, we're talking about Michael Jackson, The King Of Pop, a man with a professional ego that will not allow him to settle for "smaller" record sales like Prince or Madonna.
For anything, I wonder how much money is he going to spend on a new video this time around. We know Michael loves to make a statement with expensive videos that cost $10+ million each. I hope he don't go back into that format anytime soon. | |
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