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PrintableNajee said: vainandy said: It's a damn shame when an artist with actual talent turns to shit hoppers to work on their album. Michael has been a sellout for years but now he's taking sellout to different levels like his sister. I hope his album flops.
I agree. Kanye West really can't do shit if it doesn't have to do with pressing a button or splicing old songs for loops. Damn, why can't Michael Jackson work with someone like Raphael Saddiq or Marcus Miller? Stokley and/or Mint Condition? Sweetback? If he went with ?uestlove Will I Am Rick Rubin Brooke D-Leau That would be something special  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Najee said: I agree. Kanye West really can't do shit if it doesn't have to do with pressing a button or splicing old songs for loops. Damn, why can't Michael Jackson work with someone like Raphael Saddiq or Marcus Miller? Stokley and/or Mint Condition? Sweetback? If he went with ?uestlove Will I Am Rick Rubin Brooke D-Leau That would be something special Add -Van Hunt -Neptunes -LittleBLUECorvette ... he has the best album f the decade. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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bboy87 said: If he went with
?uestlove Will I Am Rick Rubin Brooke D-Leau That would be something special At this stage of his career, Michael Jackson needs to sound like a soul artist (and one who makes some funky music) and not some nut-riding pop singer looking for the flavor of the month producer. I rather see MJ working with these cats: Marcus Miller Raphael Saddiq Stokely and Mint Condition Sweetback Miller and Saddiq can produce uptempo to funky stuff on real instruments. Stokely and Mint Condition were known for making great ballads. Sweetback's work for Maxwell and as the backing band for Sade speaks for itself. [Edited 10/14/07 19:29pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Najee said: bboy87 said: If he went with
?uestlove Will I Am Rick Rubin Brooke D-Leau That would be something special At this stage of his career, Michael Jackson needs to sound like a soul artist (and one who makes some funky music) and not some nut-riding pop singer looking for the flavor of the month producer. I rather see MJ working with these cats: Marcus Miller Raphael Saddiq Stokely and Mint Condition Sweetback Miller and Saddiq can produce uptempo to funky stuff on real instruments. Stokely and Mint Condition were known for making great ballads. Sweetback's work for Maxwell and as the backing band for Sade speaks for itself. [Edited 10/14/07 19:29pm] All those performers I mentioned aren't flavor of the month or "popular" producers. Brook can bring some electrofuck and ?uestlove can bring some of that soul back. ?uestlove is the guy who worked with D'Angelo and The Roots among other people. Listen to his remixed version of Pharrell  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: All those performers I mentioned aren't flavor of the month or "popular" producers. Brook can bring some electrofuck and ?uestlove can bring some of that soul back. ?uestlove is the guy who worked with D'Angelo and The Roots among other people. Listen to his remixed version of Pharrell
To me, they are flavor of the month producers save for Rick Rubin, who really doesn't move in the soul music genre. I'm familiar with Questlove, but listening to his work with D'Angelo and The Roots I don't see his music blending well with Michael Jackson's voice. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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I love kanye's music and don't have a problem with them working together, as long as there is no sampling of older songs or anything like that. It has to be original | |
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Najee said: bboy87 said: All those performers I mentioned aren't flavor of the month or "popular" producers. Brook can bring some electrofuck and ?uestlove can bring some of that soul back. ?uestlove is the guy who worked with D'Angelo and The Roots among other people. Listen to his remixed version of Pharrell
To me, they are flavor of the month producers save for Rick Rubin, who really doesn't move in the soul music genre. I'm familiar with Questlove, but listening to his work with D'Angelo and The Roots I don't see his music blending well with Michael Jackson's voice. Brook D'Leau is nowhere near a flavor of the month producer  I recommend listening to J*Davey. ?uest was influenced by The Jacksons and Prince. There were mixes on that Pharrell that was cut from the Jackson cloth.
Of all the producers I mentioned, the only "flavor of the month" producer is Will I Am, but his vibe is great and matches with Michael's. Rick Rubin would be a great addition because we all know the album will be a blend of genres "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Brook D'Leau is nowhere near a flavor of the month producer
I recommend listening to J*Davey.I call any producer who has been around only a couple of years "flavor of the month." bboy87 said: ?uest was influenced by The Jacksons and Prince. There were mixes on that Pharrell that was cut from the Jackson cloth.
Yeah, you sure can hear The Jacksons influence in The Roots and D'Angelo! 
bboy87 said: Of all the producers I mentioned, the only "flavor of the month" producer is Will I Am, but his vibe is great and matches with Michael's.
will.i.am is a corny-ass, lame-ass crossover rap producer. As in P.M. Dawn-level corny-ass producer. The last thing Michael Jackson needs to sound like is a cornier crossover act. bboy87 said: Rick Rubin would be a great addition because we all know the album will be a blend of genres.
Look, I understand these are your opinions but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. I personally would like to hear MJ go back to some true soul roots with some progressive funkier music before he's put out to pasture. So yeah, give me Marcus Miller and Raphael Saddiq over them any day, and throw in Stokely and Sweetback for good measure. [Edited 10/14/07 20:22pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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?uestlove has done more than just D'Angelo and The Roots
here's his version of of Pharrell's Number One: http://www.youtube.com/wa...gerj-UePZ4 here's his version of "Baby" http://www.youtube.com/wa...1qi0PuM-Hs I agree Najee. I would like to see Michael go back to his roots, but this is Michael Jackson we're talking about "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: ?uestlove has done more than just D'Angelo and The Roots
here's his version of Pharrell's Number One: http://www.youtube.com/wa...gerj-UePZ4 here's his version of "Baby" http://www.youtube.com/wa...1qi0PuM-Hs It kills me some of these acts today act like they are creating something new when in reality those tracks sound like something ripped from music made 20-plus years ago with some new digital sounds. There is nothing innovative about either one of those tracks. The first clip sounds like he took the basic arrangement and feel for Bell and James' "Livin' It Up (Friday Night)" and added some tweaks to it. The second clip in particular sounds like something inspired by the Minneapolis Sound. It's not garbage -- it's just not original. Call me a whiner, but we've already have had 20 years of Michael Jackson singing on overproduced, highly synthesized, video-driven, only-can-be-replicated-in-a-studio (thus it has to be lip-synched in a physical performance) music. It's time to try something new, MJ. [Edited 10/14/07 21:20pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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utopia7 said: I think USHER would have been a better selection producer wise ,,,and maybe NE-YO for the ballads
heck I'd even stretch and say pharell for fast paced tracks or babyface for a more classic sound kanye- lord let me keep my mouth closed until the project is finished , that's if it even happens  Michael is working with Ne-yo. White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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Wouldn't it be awesome if Michael is leaking false info to the media about people like Kanye West, Ne-Yo and will.i.am working on his album because that's what they expect him to do, when in fact he's really just making this album 100% by himself. He's giving out false info so that when the real album drops and it's completely awesome and 100% made by him, everyone will be pleasantly surprised.
That's something Michael would definately do. | |
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novabrkr said: If they are going for an "Off The Wall" -type of sound - then why don't work with people who actually know how to orchestrate the instruments that were used to make that album and its sound?
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DarlingDiana said: Wouldn't it be awesome if Michael is leaking false info to the media about people like Kanye West, Ne-Yo and will.i.am working on his album because that's what they expect him to do, when in fact he's really just making this album 100% by himself. He's giving out false info so that when the real album drops and it's completely awesome and 100% made by him, everyone will be pleasantly surprised.
That's something Michael would definately do. He's doing the same thing he did with invincible, he's getting all the top hit makers to make him music (music that he most likely wont even use) Its so formulated its disgusting... this is the exact same shit we heard before invincible... He's working with all these cats and in the long run the top hit makers didn't even make his cut I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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At this point,Michael should just do an "Unplugged" acoustic CD and call it a day.Hip-hop has never been his style,anyway. | |
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floetcist said: utopia7 said: I think USHER would have been a better selection producer wise ,,,and maybe NE-YO for the ballads
heck I'd even stretch and say pharell for fast paced tracks or babyface for a more classic sound kanye- lord let me keep my mouth closed until the project is finished , that's if it even happens Michael is working with Ne-yo. I overlooked this last night. Excuse me while I go vomit now. looking for you in the woods tonight Switch FC SW-2874-2863-4789 (Rum&Coke) | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: DarlingDiana said: Wouldn't it be awesome if Michael is leaking false info to the media about people like Kanye West, Ne-Yo and will.i.am working on his album because that's what they expect him to do, when in fact he's really just making this album 100% by himself. He's giving out false info so that when the real album drops and it's completely awesome and 100% made by him, everyone will be pleasantly surprised.
That's something Michael would definately do. He's doing the same thing he did with invincible, he's getting all the top hit makers to make him music (music that he most likely wont even use) Its so formulated its disgusting... this is the exact same shit we heard before invincible... He's working with all these cats and in the long run the top hit makers didn't even make his cut Can we/you just wait the fuck until we actually hear the album before you make your little piss poor Amazon.com reviews?  White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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floetcist said: EmbattledWarrior said: He's doing the same thing he did with invincible, he's getting all the top hit makers to make him music (music that he most likely wont even use) Its so formulated its disgusting... this is the exact same shit we heard before invincible... He's working with all these cats and in the long run the top hit makers didn't even make his cut Can we/you just wait the fuck until we actually hear the album before you make your little piss poor Amazon.com reviews? I waited for invincible and i got a "piss poor" album so boo fucking hoo! I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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prettymansson said: fluid said: Off The Wall? That's one of his least succesful albums. Invincible sounded like Off The Wall and didn't do MJ well.
EXCUSE ME..?
Off the Wall is BY FAR ! MJ's Best adult solo album ! I don't usually comment on MJ subjects, but 'Off The Wall' is not only MJ's best album, with the best grooves, but it also got him more into the mainstream, as the perfect precursor 2 'Thriller'. Yes, 'Thriller' obviously sold more, but 'Off The Wall' was much funkier. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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In fact, I'd say that 'Off The Wall' and 'Dangerous' R his 2 best albums.
My man Teddy Riley slammed it on the tracks he did, like "Jam", "Why You Wanna Trip On Me", "In The Closet", "She Drives Me Wild", "Remember The Time", and "can't Let Her Get Away"... As 4 'Off The Wall'... U got "Workin' Day and Night" (featuring some of the greatest sidemen, mostly from Stevie's camp), and "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough". "He's a musician's musician..." |
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I'd prefer MJ to produce his whole new album by himself like Prince does.
It needs to be more about the music & less about the celebrity, which has dominated since after Bad (if not earlier). Let the world see his true talent - not have people go Will I Am / Kanye West have rescued him and made him sound modern. Surely, he camn modernise himself by observing today's fashions and talents. Rodney Jerkins didn't seem to make him sound that more modern. | |
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WukkaWahWah said: I'd prefer MJ to produce his whole new album by himself like Prince does.
. That will never happen. Mj does not have those skills. | |
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Graycap23 said: WukkaWahWah said: I'd prefer MJ to produce his whole new album by himself like Prince does.
. That will never happen. Mj does not have those skills. Mj knows to work digital and analogue recording equipment. Knows how to play a variety of instruments decently (not to princes level of course) Knows how to drum program, how to record and set up vocal harmonies... set up string patterns.. knows how to sample... Know how to write a song so ... What skill doesn't he have...? I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Graycap23 said: That will never happen. Mj does not have those skills. Mj knows to work digital and analogue recording equipment. Knows how to play a variety of instruments decently (not to princes level of course) Knows how to drum program, how to record and set up vocal harmonies... set up string patterns.. knows how to sample... Know how to write a song so ... What skill doesn't he have...? What song can I listen 2 that Mike performed all of those skills on? | |
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kanye west doesnt even make great music for himself.. so how is he going to create a song for michael jackson...
I hate his music... so i definitly WILL not be liking the song he produces for Michael... and Kanye west music stinks | |
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I have tried to hold out for as long as possible.
Who cares about MJ or Janet or any Jackson anymore, they are not relevant in music anymore. Personal weight battles and child custody issues aside they have NOT IMO made anything worth while in some time. God how many weird things does MJ have to do in his personal life before obsessive fans will say maybe... just maybe something isn't right. Hell I might even look past it if he put out anything that wasn't rehashed garbage. Producers don't make albums, they make them better, MJ has had his chance with Invincible and his all star team then, what happened? Society was too biased to take notice? In fact if these producers had any balls at all they would say it just isn't worth the bad karma of working with someone who is so tainted. Music is the best... | |
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For someone who is such a hasbeen and so tainted and over, he sure is talked about on this site a lot. And if he's "irrelevant" where does that leave Prince? lol. Some of u kill me. Too funny. [Edited 10/19/07 14:31pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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Graycap23 said: WukkaWahWah said: I'd prefer MJ to produce his whole new album by himself like Prince does.
. That will never happen. Mj does not have those skills. Um, what are yout talking about? He wrote and produced several songs on "History" by himself. I get that you don't like him but I still don't get why you're always giving MJ such a hard time for not producing all his songs himself, I mean aren't u a Janet Jackson fan afterall? lol. Please. Give it a rest already. [Edited 10/19/07 14:27pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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Cinnamon234 said: For someone who is such a hasbeen and so tainted and over, he sure is talked about on this site a lot. And if he's "irrelevant" where does that leave Prince? lol. Some of u kill me. Too funny.
[Edited 10/19/07 14:31pm] Thank you. Who cares about Michael/Janet anymore...when this section should just be renamed 'The Jacksons'. lol White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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