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PrintableEvilWhiteMale said: alexandernevermind said: Man...between this place and NPGMC, I wonder if there's an objective forum anywhere? I guess everyone who doesn't have their head up Prince's ass is wrong. People can't handle it. Thay act as though Prince is their father.  [This message was edited Fri Feb 27 11:57:27 2004 by TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs] | |
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*Sigh* I got only ONE thang 2 say,,,,DAMN I WISH I WAS A GEMINI! | |
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Harlepolis said: *Sigh* I got only ONE thang 2 say,,,,DAMN I WISH I WAS A GEMINI!
no you don't...  trust me! | |
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Byron said: SensualMelody said: U R right as usual.  Hi, hun...   Hi Byron....I looked at it again. I really like it. Next time I play it, I expect to really really like it! 
I am expecting it to get air play on the Tom Joyner Morning Show (where TAVIS SMILEY hangs). That show is syndicated on R&B radio staions everywhere!!!! So I expect it to be played and enjoyed.  So...how's everybody doing? | |
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alexandernevermind said: JAMIESTARR said: Shutup ! If you thought that performance sucked u just don't get it bro
Man...between this place and NPGMC, I wonder if there's an objective forum anywhere? I guess everyone who doesn't have their head up Prince's ass is wrong. Seems that way on here sometimes. Objectivity tends to go out of the window on here. | |
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The thang is,,,people are either rubbing their faces up in his ass or 4ever hammering the brotha 4 whateva he delievers.
Its seems like a rare case to be seeing folks in the middle,,,enjoying the music 4 what it is and STILL not shoving it down nobody's throat or knocking a brotha's hustle. Its cool I like it,,,it ain't his best but I enjoy it playfullness. Now Reflection,,,that is my gem | |
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I enjoyed the Leno performance far more than the song.
For Prince to assert that he's in a position to school folks on the art of music is comical and not totally false. But, it would've been nice if the song in which he asserts this had a discernable melody, originality, some musical depth and didn't borrow its keyboard/horn line from a previous song. Did he dance like crazy? Yes. Did Rhonda get some spotlight?  Fortunately. Was it cool the way he left the stage before the song was over, tossing the Hohner to a tech in the audience? Sure was. Did he connect well with his flock of adoring fans in the audience who clapped and screamed when he so much as looked their way and winked? Uh-huh. He worked the room.
But is "Musicology" a good song?  Nuh-uh. It's a so-so dance tune with lyrical references to musical greats. The James Brown thing is tired, but I thought Prince was awfully entertaining. | |
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It was a nice performance of an otherwise sucky song (if that´s possible) ...I am sorry but I just can´t get excited for Prince again if all he has to offer at the moment is this lame song...I am really sorry
but well, I really hated "The Work Pt.1" and then ended up loving the rest of TRC, so who knows | |
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Regardless of whether Musicology will take Prince to the top of the charts again is irrelevant. It shouldn't even matter to anyone anymore. Some of yall are just bass-ackwards when it comes to maturity. Age 50 is knocking on Prince's back door and mofo's are complaining about everything from the song itself to the performance. If you are itching to hear Prince perform rock again like he used to then go sit yourself down and throw on Bambi or the Undertaker LP and enjoy it. If you are itching to hear Prince funk like he used to then go give Lady Cab Driver or Housequake a few spins. Face it people, the well has pretty much run dry creatively with Prince because he's just about done all there is he can do. If you don't like something that gets released, that's fine. But these "_____ sucks" reactions everytime the man moves are just as stale and lame as many of you claim his output and performances are. Whether you're for or against a cause, if you can't give 3 solid reasons why you feel the way you do about it then your opinion shouldn't be dignified with a response. I swear I learned this in grade school. So let's recap.
1. Prince is getting old and can't do everything he used to do. 2. It doesn't make sense to long for the old days when they are as tangible as putting in a copy of "_____" from back in the day. 3. Because of his age and output, there's not a whole lot of innovative creativity left within Prince. In conclusion, stop frontin' in 2004. If Prince sucked so hard for the past 5 years you wouldn't have a username here. Disclaimer: This is not a complaint about the complainers. This is a complaint about objectivity. I wishted I was a moderator  [This message was edited Fri Feb 27 13:17:00 2004 by psykosoul] | |
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psykosoul said: In conclusion, stop frontin' in 2004. If Prince sucked so hard for the past 5 years you wouldn't have a username here.
Disclaimer: This is not a complaint about the complainers. This is a complaint about objectivity. [This message was edited Fri Feb 27 13:14:53 2004 by psykosoul] You just said my fuckin' peace  | |
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Yes i agree prince could have came with a little more funk but maybe he is saving that for the tour lets not forget prince has made alot more music than anyone else i can think of that is out right now and probably in the near future say what you want no one and i mean no one can touch his live performances and i have seen him a number of times and it seems to me his performances get better and better ijust try and remember its all about the music who else his age is jamming like him and even going on tour he does not even have to you know he has got plenty of money so what drives him the live energy he gets from us fans and the bottom line is if we did not care for him we would not be sitting here complaing and writing all this bs about him.peace and be wild. | |
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Harlepolis said: psykosoul said: In conclusion, stop frontin' in 2004. If Prince sucked so hard for the past 5 years you wouldn't have a username here.
Disclaimer: This is not a complaint about the complainers. This is a complaint about objectivity. [This message was edited Fri Feb 27 13:14:53 2004 by psykosoul] You just said my fuckin' peace I agree with you. I have been a fan most of my life and that's been on different levels. Only "recently" (1997) have I been really turned onto the other world of Prince. I had no idea that there was so much music that had not been heard..and much of it was really good. I have been a big fan ever since. What I also got turned on to was the whole drama that goes along with being a fan. I guess one goes with the other. I remember the whole CB fiasco when the internet was still sort of new (We all got over that eventually didn’t we ) But I think that may have been the start of the complaining…or at least was the straw that broke for many fans (or in my case started my straw pile). I almost started a post here titled “when did you start complaining”.
I am thrilled that he is touring and has a new disc out. And I have no doubt that his concert will kick butt. He looks great and sounds great. I think he’s in top form musically. I don’t see what really the big deal is. It’s HIS career, he can do with it as he pleases...if he messes it up, that’s his problem. One tour, one album…big deal. I think we are lucky he is still putting out music. Some is good some not so good…but most is better than the swill on the radio now. I mean what’s really to mess up? I doubt he’ll ever get back on the radio…and who’d want to? Back on top? Of what? And what does that mean anyway? His best selling stuff isn’t necessarily what the fans like. I really don’t know what we should expect. Out of him, his music, music club or a concert. It may garner him new fans, or spark interest in old ones who haven’t followed him like we have. I know that quite a few friends of mine will be getting tix because all of the buzz has stirred something nostalgic in them. But in 2 years will those people be buying what he puts out…probably not. I have fond memories of previous concerts and a LOT of music to listen to, so I don’t see this as a break all, though some (and maybe Prince does to some extent) feel this way. I see this as more of the same…part of his journey. If I had one “wish” it would be that he could have the control/freedom that Bjork or Ani Difranco have. I actually stick around as a fan, because he still does crop up a gem every once in a while…I liked TRC…LOVED ONA boxed set (see joy in repetition) and thought the WAR was a masterpiece. The fact that I have heard the WAR makes me feel special, because most have not, and it’s probably one of the best things he has done musically imo…it’s also 23 min long so there’s that too. I think fans on here and other boards are way too critical of every aspect and minutiae and hang onto every little detail and analyze and scrutinize and squeeze all they can from the man and his music and what he says (read post of did Prince dis Mel thread). I am sure there are some, but give me a name of someone who is currently as prolific, has been around for over 20 years and is still producing semi-decent music (which Prince still does) and kicks butt in concert and makes headlines. Not too many. And I agree if you didn’t/don’t like his music for all this time, you wouldn’t be here reading this. And if you are, what is keeping you around? And all that said, I think most of us want Prince to be successful in all of his endevors. I think that's why many of us are here and go to his shows and buy his music. It's what being a fan is about. His music has provided so much joy and comfort to me over the years...the least I can do is support him, even if it means he gets my $$ for music that is not always on par with his earlier stuff. Thankful to be a fan. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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It was not his best ever TV performance, but he really put the sound and the energy on a higher level, the bass line is damn good and the way he went out to join Mel and Jay looks like Chaplin's attitudes  And as a live performer, after all those years, he's still the one who kicks like nobodyelse. | |
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superspaceboy said: Harlepolis said: You just said my fuckin' peace I agree with you. I have been a fan most of my life and that's been on different levels. Only "recently" (1997) have I been really turned onto the other world of Prince. I had no idea that there was so much music that had not been heard..and much of it was really good. I have been a big fan ever since. What I also got turned on to was the whole drama that goes along with being a fan. I guess one goes with the other. I remember the whole CB fiasco when the internet was still sort of new (We all got over that eventually didn’t we ) But I think that may have been the start of the complaining…or at least was the straw that broke for many fans (or in my case started my straw pile). I almost started a post here titled “when did you start complaining”.
I am thrilled that he is touring and has a new disc out. And I have no doubt that his concert will kick butt. He looks great and sounds great. I think he’s in top form musically. I don’t see what really the big deal is. It’s HIS career, he can do with it as he pleases...if he messes it up, that’s his problem. One tour, one album…big deal. AMEN!!!! I think we are lucky he is still putting out music. Some is good some not so good…but most is better than the swill on the radio now. I mean what’s really to mess up? I doubt he’ll ever get back on the radio…and who’d want to? Back on top? Of what? And what does that mean anyway? His best selling stuff isn’t necessarily what the fans like. I really don’t know what we should expect. Out of him, his music, music club or a concert. It may garner him new fans, or spark interest in old ones who haven’t followed him like we have. I know that quite a few friends of mine will be getting tix because all of the buzz has stirred something nostalgic in them. But in 2 years will those people be buying what he puts out…probably not. I have fond memories of previous concerts and a LOT of music to listen to, so I don’t see this as a break all, though some (and maybe Prince does to some extent) feel this way. I see this as more of the same…part of his journey. If I had one “wish” it would be that he could have the control/freedom that Bjork or Ani Difranco have. I actually stick around as a fan, because he still does crop up a gem every once in a while…I liked TRC…LOVED ONA boxed set (see joy in repetition) and thought the WAR was a masterpiece. The fact that I have heard the WAR makes me feel special, because most have not, and it’s probably one of the best things he has done musically imo…it’s also 23 min long so there’s that too. I think fans on here and other boards are way too critical of every aspect and minutiae and hang onto every little detail and analyze and scrutinize and squeeze all they can from the man and his music and what he says (read post of did Prince dis Mel thread). I am sure there are some, but give me a name of someone who is currently as prolific, has been around for over 20 years and is still producing semi-decent music (which Prince still does) and kicks butt in concert and makes headlines. Not too many. And I agree if you didn’t/don’t like his music for all this time, you wouldn’t be here reading this. And if you are, what is keeping you around? And all that said, I think most of us want Prince to be successful in all of his endevors. I think that's why many of us are here and go to his shows and buy his music. It's what being a fan is about. His music has provided so much joy and comfort to me over the years...the least I can do is support him, even if it means he gets my $$ for music that is not always on par with his earlier stuff. Thankful to be a fan. u & me, we got mad chemisty | |
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SexualSuicide said: Performance B-
Song D- This song just sucks and has no hook! It sounds like it was a leftover from TRC. exactly | |
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klaatu said: and then here we go again: the pre 96 songs!!!! Listen to Reflection for the "serious" lyrics! To clarify, in my post I meant performance recordings. I wasn't speaking on a songwriting level, though if pressed I'd have to say the songs were better in general back then. Yes, even "Graffiti Bridge" is more memorable than "Musicology"! But I was talking about performance-wise. I've seen Prince really tear it up in years past, last night was not tearin' in up. I feel like I must be from a different generation on this board due to the excitement raised by the Grammy performance and now the Jay Leno performance. Both were just tame and unspectacular in my book. Even the Jay Leno performance of "Come On" was more exciting and had more energy than last night's performance! Stormbringer Oh yeah, I do like "Reflection" & the lyrics are nice. I am listening! No Sonny T?
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: it was nice, but by no means did he rip shit last night. Amen..... Stormbringer No Sonny T?
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alandail said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: yeah, but that's folks outside of the fanbase, though. more than likely they haven't seen very many performances of the cat, like your average prince fan/friend/geek/freek/fam/whoever, so they're seein stuff like this as pretty fresh. see what i'm sayin? and those are the people he's trying to reach with this performance, so it's working, right? Well, as the saying goes, you'll never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator. Stormbringer No Sonny T?
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herb4 said:[quote]
I guess some folks would've preferred "East" quote] Guilty! Stormbringer No Sonny T?
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alexandernevermind said: JAMIESTARR said: Shutup ! If you thought that performance sucked u just don't get it bro
Man...between this place and NPGMC, I wonder if there's an objective forum anywhere? I guess everyone who doesn't have their head up Prince's ass is wrong. I get that feeling around here too! Stormbringer No Sonny T?
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namepeace said: I didn't see the performance, but riddle me this, my friends. Compared to, say,
1. The "Sign O' The Times"/"Play In the Sunshine" performance on MTV 2. The "endorphinmachine" performance on the VH1 award show in 1994/5(?) 3. The "P Control" performance on the VH1 Style Awards 4. The "Come On" performance on Leno does this performance compare favorably? I KNOW I am spec-a-lay-tin big time, but I doubt it could. your thoughts? No on all counts. Not really even in the same playground, neighborhood, country, hemisphere..... Stormbringer No Sonny T?
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thebige said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: it was nice, but by no means did he rip shit last night. Amen..... Stormbringer Just watched it again...sorry, still didn't do it for me, but I went out and purchased the Batman Soundtrack for $8.99, LOL. Let's face it folks, most of us hate the popular music of today (Britney, Justin, B2K, and not so good rap music with the same beat) You turn on MTV and see these subpar artist receiving so much attention so we are holding on to our heroes like Prince, Phil Collins, Hall & Oates, Whitney, and MJ and we miss those days when they were on top and popular and everyone loved them because music was so great back then. But I will give up on P being the man and just accept him for who he is in 2004, enough said. Holla @ your boy! | |
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okaypimpn said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: I'm waiting on the ATL show myself, I will definitely be in attendance. The performance was Tight!!! Everything was flawless!!! Me, too!!! Do you know when the tickets go on sale? [b]I'm also waiting for the ATL show | |
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thebige said: namepeace said: I didn't see the performance, but riddle me this, my friends. Compared to, say,
1. The "Sign O' The Times"/"Play In the Sunshine" performance on MTV 2. The "endorphinmachine" performance on the VH1 award show in 1994/5(?) 3. The "P Control" performance on the VH1 Style Awards 4. The "Come On" performance on Leno does this performance compare favorably? I KNOW I am spec-a-lay-tin big time, but I doubt it could. your thoughts? No on all counts. Not really even in the same playground, neighborhood, country, hemisphere..... Stormbringer That was worse than the Come On peformance? Hell no. | |
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I think that some people here are judging Prince by his own yardstick...
Nobody else could have carried that performance. There is nobody else. Nobody. | |
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Honestly, I was just glad to see Prince on TV last night. Maybe I'm a bit too simplistic but just seeing him on the Tonight Show made me very happy. Whether he did a million and one splits or fell flat on his face, I was glad to see something. This does NOT mean that I'm kissing his ass cause it's Prince. It's just that I'm appreciative of him even going on these TV shows in the first place seeing how reclusive he is.
Being a Prince fan means different things to us but one thing it isn't is Boring, especially now. I choose to be positive rather than negative but if Prince doesn't have a big comeback, I'm still going to hang in there. If you ask me, this has been a fun trip. Let's see where it goes from here. By the way, I thought the performance was hot and I'm liking the song the more I hear it. It's a grower. Peace I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: thebige said: No on all counts. Not really even in the same playground, neighborhood, country, hemisphere..... Stormbringer That was worse than the Come On peformance? Hell no. Oh yes it was, in my book. Everyone has their own opinions, but that "Come On" performance made me appreciate the tune & wish it had been recorded more in that arrangement. Very loose & funky. The Leno appearance wasn't funky or memorable. Again, this is just my opinion. Everyone keeps saying how tight the band was, but the new song is so simplistic & the musicians are a talented bunch..... that shite better be tight! Anyways, I do think that the "Come On" performance was better & had more energy overall. Stormbringer No Sonny T?
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It may be astray, the performance was brilliant but the song sucks big time, Prince was Prince and not James Brown, neither Sly Stone.
2045 : Radical Men to me was the last original Prince song.... 
Musicology has to many horns and to little guitar, too little kicking beats, and to little chorus....it will not be a hit and if the album comes out that way....forgetaboutit....he is old-school and somehow it is alright...but not making up to todays standards of showmanship....he has a cool band besides the guitar work is to rare.... He I do not front...that is just my opinion which I have to express. Peace Juize | |
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The studio version has more guitar, where the live version had more keyboards playing those parts. But of course the studio version still sounds kinda simplistic (which doesn't have to be a bad thing). | |
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The performance was just okay. I certainly didn't blow me away, but I'll admit it DID sound better than what I heard in the video. But not THAT much better. I thought the brother looked good, and it was sweet to hear Archie Bell & The Drells' "Tighten Up" thrown in there for good measure (I LOVE that song!). Makes me wonder if that part is in the recorded version as well! It wasn't bad at all, but by no means did it have me groovin' on my couch! Good to see Chance's big ass shakin' that thang and getting some air time, too!! LOL!
The interview was one of the coolest I've seen him do on TV, too. He was natural, humorous, and seemingly in a good mood. Kinda short but he got whatever he needed to say out and appear to be down to earth and approachable and not the enigma the general public seems to think of him as! So, if I had to give this whole thing a thumbs up or down, I'll lean towards up, but this song has just got to go, man! It'll do nothing for him as far as radio or video is concerned! It would've been sweet to see Wendy come out on the guitar for the "Tighten Up" part too, but I digress... | |
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