It looks like there is little to no interest from the media (specifically music magazines) to discuss or cite this new D&P SDE.

Compare it to the releases of 1999 SDE or SOTT SDE....

Is it because of the quality?

Or is it perhaps just the intention of The Estate?

Meta products and other Internet companies aside, I find virtually little to no promotion, interst or hype created.

Or have I missed something?

Reviews are there, but also far fewer, (and they are mediocre).

Maybe this D&P is some kind of anticipated one-off release, meaning a quick assemblage, wrap it up and go.

It also received virtually little or no attention on the radio.

Not even when the singles were pre-released.

The packaging and execution of the final product are also very minimal in my opinion, just enough to meet a minimal expectation.

The (print)quality of a lot of photo's is slack.

The accompanying book is OK, but not extraordinary either.

No attention has even been paid to the special hologram of the orignal release, which was a clever marking move at the time anyway.

You could choose with and without the hologram.

What do you guys think?

Ther are many classic Pop and Rock music magazines, even those don't give a flying fuck imho.

Vannormal said:

Reviews are there, but also far fewer, (and they are mediocre).

Its a mediocre set.

ShellyMcG said:

A lot of articles you see in magazines and such talking about the latest releases from certain pop stars are actually paid for by the record label/management company. So they're basically just glorified ads. So my guess is that the estate just don't have the advertising budget for that kind of thing. Or, more likely, they can't be arsed

I didn't know that...

Maybe you're right. There is no azdvertising budget.

Even the 4 part podcast isn't of a big help either i believe.

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Of could it be this just wan't the right choice of a SDE?

Wouldn't Parade 've been a better choice? Adn then next year PR again?

That would've kept the attentinon hot.

Everyone knows the song KISS... on that alone you can build a big interest for a SDE.

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And why not have new mremixes done for these known songs. Why not?

It would not be blasphemy if done properly.

RJOrion said:

Because its not Drake, or Taylor Swift, or Doja Cat, or Travis Scott...the entertainment media doesnt care about music by a deceased artist who would be 65, and who the game had already passed him by when he was alive...fame and notoriety in the recording industry is now a young persons game

Do not completely agree, buti know what you mean.

They don't have to focus on the younger public.

Right now there is more than ever money from those older fans to spend... the ones like us.

And the entertainment media would care imo if the product was better, better made, better handled.

Even dead artists can get big attention sometimes.

That's not it i think.

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If i see the SDE next to other SDE releases, this D&P looks meager.

Even the sleeve sticker is not attractive.

You know what, they need to release that Netflix doc ASAP if they want to draw some attention...

There has been interest. He's on the cover of Rolling stones France and many other magazines.

You only see what you want to see because you don't care about the set.

paisleyparkgirl said:

There has been interest. He's on the cover of Rolling stones France and many other magazines.

You only see what you want to see because you don't care about the set.

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(Now, Rolling stone France isn't exactly world representative. You can bash me.)

Which are those other magazines you talk about?

I look every day in magazines shops when i pass them.

Nothing interesting or big so far, compared with the SOTT SDE release tbh.

You can't ignore that.

Yes we can find a review here and there, if you search well, hidden between hundreds of album reviews.

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And honestly, let me tell you what I care about the set!

If they released that unbelievable strong live set as a full album, and gave the Remastered version of the existing album for free with it, (made all the unreleased tracks available for download only), it would be received as a totally different but commercially strong concept imho.

Prince Live is something that barely ever fails!

That's one of the most important reasons why he stayed so strong as an artist the last three decades, and not for his released new music.

Prince live was untouchable, didn't know anyone that could match him. Still!

I was not expecting this live set to be so strong!

And i didn't plan to buy it.

This live set makes the origianl album vanish into oblivion for me.

Even the weaker album tracks performed live are being loved by most fans.

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boomshaka said:

Since when is a SDE supposed to make a (deceased) artist as popular as he was when he was alive? Just because they released singles doesn't mean they're supposed to be topping the Billboard charts. His singles weren't hitting even when he was alive - don't be delusional. . It's for the fans to enjoy and dive into. If you choose not to, great, but don't waste your words on a thread to dismantle the work of those who put it all together. Idk what you're expecting a SDE to do for Prince's posthumous career, but it sounds like you're always going to be disappointed. That being said, I would like to see the Estate streamline how content is released - however that's an entirely different topic.

Oh, I dive into it! Just like any other Prince lover.

Of course I am partly happy there is something new, finally.

But also partly critical, obviously like all of us.

Honestly the remastering is well done, though it's not my favorite album, true.

Do I have to agree or show respect for it being assembled the way it is? No.

I don't expect a SDE to be a huge hit, just a bit more push and show via advertising.

At least if they want (need) the money for future releases.

The current Estate crew is new... maybe it's also that.

Or it there was little advertising budget, like someone mentioned here.

I am not sure what kind of interest we are expecting? Yes this was a commercial hit for Prince at a time where his popularity in the states was waning, but we do have to realize that Prince has his loyal base and when a artist like that is gone or past their prime mainstream days why would you expect a huge interest in something from three decades ago? I don't get why people assume because something was a huge hit three decades ago there isnt a similar interest in it now. I mean it is very tough especially when the artist is deceased too.

I don't really care at this stage (on who is making th emoney or not!) just release all the music and shut the door on the way out! simple really.

RJOrion said:

And dont forget...Prince was very anti establishment in regards to his dealings with the recording industry, and entertainment media is a BIG part of that machine...they are certainly not going to do him (or his estate) any favors ...P willingly burned alot of bridges over the years..so the same entities that he held as adversaries when he was alive, damn sure aint gonna do him any favors or good will, now that hes been gone for over 7 years

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You lot and your pathetic conspiracy bullshit, which is contradicted over and over again by him getting covers of magazines etc.

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Always ignoring that often it was Prince who was a pain in the ass to deal with.

All previous SDEs have featured in Mojo's and Uncut's "best reissues of the year" lists, and the SOTT SDE was in both magazines their "reissue of the year".

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The D&P SDE isn't in either magazine's "best of" list for 2023.

Vannormal said:

ShellyMcG said:

A lot of articles you see in magazines and such talking about the latest releases from certain pop stars are actually paid for by the record label/management company. So they're basically just glorified ads. So my guess is that the estate just don't have the advertising budget for that kind of thing. Or, more likely, they can't be arsed

I didn't know that...

Maybe you're right. There is no azdvertising budget.

Even the 4 part podcast isn't of a big help either i believe.

-

Of could it be this just wan't the right choice of a SDE?

Wouldn't Parade 've been a better choice? Adn then next year PR again?

That would've kept the attentinon hot.

Everyone knows the song KISS... on that alone you can build a big interest for a SDE.

-

And why not have new mremixes done for these known songs. Why not?

It would not be blasphemy if done properly.

Only on this website is Parade viewed as a better album. Outside of Purple Rain or Batman no other SDE will generate any buzz at this point. Fortunately, I don't need my friends, family, work associates or media outlets to validate my tastes (not pointing at anyone in particular here). As long as we get the material I'm happy.

Vannormal said:

fredmagnus said:

You know what, they need to release that Netflix doc ASAP if they want to draw some attention...

True. I basically only see Prince being talked about in fan´s sites, Instagram accounts, etc. The only place I still see some talk about Prince are in some guitar and bass Instagram accounts that show his Rock and Holl of Fame solo and some of his slap bass.

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But something must be done to bring Prince outside of the bubble.

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They knew the Vault tracks were nothign special so they barely promoted it. Meanwhile, I would totally buy the concert if it were available as a separate movie to buy

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MendesCity said:

They knew the Vault tracks were nothign special so they barely promoted it. Meanwhile, I would totally buy the concert if it were available as a separate movie to buy

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I think it was Questlove who said that this amazing live registration and performance alone was worth a major album release, plus Blu-ray of course (Blue-ray for Bizzie ).

RJOrion said:

And dont forget...Prince was very anti establishment in regards to his dealings with the recording industry, and entertainment media is a BIG part of that machine...they are certainly not going to do him (or his estate) any favors ...P willingly burned alot of bridges over the years..so the same entities that he held as adversaries when he was alive, damn sure aint gonna do him any favors or good will, now that hes been gone for over 7 years

True, he openly showed everyone how much he suffered from the record industry, but he could NOT live without them either : two-face Prince.

Though, the media always were more than happy when Prince allowed an interview.

All magazines and TV shows jumped on it big time! The 2000 era... he was all over present.

And even his one-off appearances in award shows, only to present someone else for exaple.

Prince was loved by the media, I don't think he burned bridges at all.

Only at the top of his fame in the eighties, there was still his way of wanting to be mysterious and refusing promotion. My opinion is that he was more hated (and wanted) by the media in the 80s.

Since his dead, go look for how many articles are out there, more than when he was alive.

But this time, with this album, nope, barely no promotion.

D&P was upheld as a significant, top-tier "great" Prince album by literally no one.

Important to nobody except the Estate, who only find it monumental because of what it sold to the mainstream audience of over 3 decades ago.

True, he openly showed everyone how much he suffered from the record industry, but he could NOT live without them either : two-face Prince.

prince could easily have gone the 100% indie route if he wanted and actually live up to his lofty ideals and anti industry rants. but he didnt. so no one should hold him up as someone like ani difranco or a rapper like tech n9ne. yeah in the later years he did it on his terms, in terms of the deals he struck (usually just getting a lot of money to hand in okayish material for a concert or newspaper giveaway), so i know some people will think 'he played the industry! ha!' but he still wanted the legacy media/music industry's backing and their money. once you take their money, you are compromised.