D&P was upheld as a significant, top-tier "great" Prince album by literally no one.

we get it. you hate it. lol.

its still a significant album. perhaps his most significant 90s album (and better than that overcooked mess that he released in 1992 ).

well emancipation is probably more signifcant, in many ways, but no one needs an SDE of that, and well the music isnt as fun.

TwiliteMan said:

Prince fans are a tad too addicted to "fun".

Fun and funk. 3,487 fun and funk songs aren't enough apparently.

WhisperingDandelions said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

It simply isn't that good of release.Of course I dig it, and Prince fans like it but Let's be honest about this. The same amout of output.........matches the input from the Estate.

WhisperingDandelions said:

D&P was upheld as a significant, top-tier "great" Prince album by literally no one.

Important to nobody except the Estate, who only find it monumental because of what it sold to the mainstream audience of over 3 decades ago.

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- Well, compared to his classics from 80-88, it wasn´t the innovative, trend setter Prince. But it had some real good songs and a great band

ShellyMcG said:

TwiliteMan said:

You can be forgiven for that, because it’s not true. It’s a false narrative repeated by folks who don’t really know what they’re talking about, and don’t read the magazines in question. Paid content is definitely a thing, but it is always marked as such. Cover features are certainly facilitated by record company PR departments, but they are NOT paid for.

I think you’re correct that there’s less press coverage for this SDE, and part of that is likely down to less interest in the period, but it’s also a reflection of the gutting of the music press (and media in general) that has gone on the last few years - there are fewer reviews of D&P because there are fewer reviews these days, period.
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My mum literally does those deals for a living . So I think I know a little bit about that side of things.

TwiliteMan said:

ShellyMcG said:

My mum literally does those deals for a living . So I think I know a little bit about that side of things.

Then you should ask her to explain it to you! The UK and Ireland have the same laws about paid content being marked as such.

bizzie said:

All previous SDEs have featured in Mojo's and Uncut's "best reissues of the year" lists, and the SOTT SDE was in both magazines their "reissue of the year".

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The D&P SDE isn't in either magazine's "best of" list for 2023.

Well, could it be that this has to do with the artistic merrit of D&P compared to the previous releases ?

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Prince fans are a tad too addicted to "fun".

Fun and funk. 3,487 fun and funk songs aren't enough apparently.

What great deep, non fun prince songs are you hankering for? That opus of worldly commentary that is the gold experience? Or that introspective, reflective masterwork that is the symbol album? I go to prince for fun music (with some exceptions, i also go to him for strange, weird, challenging, but often he does those things with fun too), yes. My favourite music of his generally has a joyfulness, a sense of someone enjoying themselves. If i want other kinds of music, i have other artists for that.

Well N.E.W.S. and Around the World in a Day would both be in my Top 5 LPs, for instance. 90s wise D&P does nothing for me but Emancipation has his absolute best material of the decade amidst the filler. "Fun" and "funk" crowd generally doesn't seem to care for the grown & sexy R&B for whatever reason...

I'm not opposed to "fun" Prince. What hooked me to Prince was and will always be his diversity, and I'll always mark him extra points for trying something different vs. dusting off the ole chicken grease uberfunk schtick for the 3,000th time.

"have other artists for that," mmmmmm.. yah, that seems kinda condescending there, like Prince is only good enough for frivilous dance music and not quite up to snuff to compete with the big boys of serious real art.

And yeah, he can do introspective and reflective, too. "My Tender Heart" is a personal fav for this specific reason--easily his most vulnerable lyric amidst a decade of abject technicolor.

GustavoRibas said:

- Well, compared to his classics from 80-88, it wasn´t the innovative, trend setter Prince. But it had some real good songs and a great band

The "Originals" he gave away from the same era are markedly superior material, though. The formal "Prince" album in this case had the worst Prince songs of 1991, his best material of the era was given to Maritka, Rosie Gaines, Javetta Steele, Patti LaBelle etc.

D&P is just not that great of an album, plus a less interesting set of vault tracks (to me at least). I am not that surprised this set is less well received than SOTT or 1999. I would love to get the live blu-ray, but not at the price we currently have to pay for this set.

WhisperingDandelions said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

WhisperingDandelions said: What great deep, non fun prince songs are you hankering for? That opus of worldly commentary that is the gold experience? Or that introspective, reflective masterwork that is the symbol album? I go to prince for fun music (with some exceptions, i also go to him for strange, weird, challenging, but often he does those things with fun too), yes. My favourite music of his generally has a joyfulness, a sense of someone enjoying themselves. If i want other kinds of music, i have other artists for that.

Well N.E.W.S. and Around the World in a Day would both be in my Top 5 LPs, for instance. 90s wise D&P does nothing for me but Emancipation has his absolute best material of the decade amidst the filler. "Fun" and "funk" crowd generally doesn't seem to care for the grown & sexy R&B for whatever reason...

I'm not opposed to "fun" Prince. What hooked me to Prince was and will always be his diversity, and I'll always mark him extra points for trying something different vs. dusting off the ole chicken grease uberfunk schtick for the 3,000th time.

"have other artists for that," mmmmmm.. yah, that seems kinda condescending there, like Prince is only good enough for frivilous dance music and not quite up to snuff to compete with the big boys of serious real art.

And yeah, he can do introspective and reflective, too. "My Tender Heart" is a personal fav for this specific reason--easily his most vulnerable lyric amidst a decade of abject technicolor.

emancipation has prob his best 90s album buried inside it. a lot of it also fairly bland and marred a bit by being a tad too 'mature', almost an idea of when you are married, you should rein it back a bit, though in his defence, it didnt feel contrived, it just felt like he had been listening to a lot of babyface/waiting to exhale.

around the world in a day is plenty of fun.

NEWS is plenty of.... stuff i dont care for.

im not being condescending, merely commenting that there are areas prince just could and did not want to go, sorry to say. at some point in his 30s/40s, all those songs too obsessed with sounding 'fun' and upbeat and like a good party started to sound seriously played out, and just lacking in gravitas (eg musicology). my favourite songs from this period are things like here, walk in sand, future love song, reflection, revelation. but prince is a bit like sinatra, hes one of my favourite singers, but he didnt really often let his guard down as a vocalist. he wasnt like marvin gaye or kurt cobain. with prince, its not necessarily the character or emotion of the vocal, its what he was singing, the song, the melody, etc.

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Sign of the times. Album releases just don't get much attention anymore. Remasters, DEs and SDEs are most often just for the fans and collectors.

Despite the fact that we feel that we have been waiting and waiting for the next re-release, to the rest of the world, if they are aware of it, it is just the next re-release. At the same time we have had the 20th anniversary re-master release of Evanescence's Fallen album and the 10th anniversary re-release of Chvrch's The Bones of What You Believe album - Yet, outside of their fans, these more recent albums are also not making waves.

It just highlights that we have reached the stage where the excitement and interest will be just like with other artists where the sales and interest will be driven by the knowledge that the next release is part of a systematic program to cover the artist's career.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

but prince is a bit like sinatra, hes one of my favourite singers, but he didnt really often let his guard down as a vocalist. he wasnt like marvin gaye or kurt cobain. with prince, its not necessarily the character or emotion of the vocal, its what he was singing, the song, the melody, etc.

I disagree, you just have to comb through all of his songs and not just the ones he released on formal "Prince" albums.

He clearly had some kind of either intentionally philosophical or maybe emotionally reserved thing he had where he would only go so far on a "Prince" album. I agree with you there. He created the gimmick of "Prince" and for the most part felt his solo albums had to embody the gimmick to a specific extent.

But like the aformentioned "My Tender Heart" (with suicidal ideation that would make Kurdt Kobain himself blush), or another one of his true masterworks, the marvellous "101" show, he did go there. He could be very vulnerable on record. He just didn't really like to go there on formal "Prince" albums, and if he did it was rife with caveats like his "well, maybe not the ride" aside on "Adore".

Even looking at The Vault there's other sporatic instances like "Dance with the Devil" or "Other's Here with Us". He would just go out of his way to intentionally obscure each and every one of these examples from his more widely-circulated oeuvre.

How are the sales of D&P SDE going by the way?

Anyone ?

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Vannormal said:

How are the sales of D&P SDE going by the way?

Anyone ?

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I've been trying to find a thread on its chart performance, but have failed in that search.

Me too. I'm not all that good with internet search...

For that we need Prince specialists,

or people like Bizzie, Bart...

I'm very curious to see how well it's selling so far...

Most people stream anymore. Only the die-hard Prince fans are buying these expensive SDEs.

Plus, Diamonds & Pearls did not have as many amazing Vault tracks . . . a good amount of those seem to be getting mixed reviews.

Wouldn't it be a great idea to have contemporary great producers or DJ's mixing the unreleased vault trax?

Like... asap?

... as a little push and extra promo, a follow up to the SDE release.

I would love that!

Download only, or via YT, spotify etc...

What ya'll think?

Vannormal said:

Landonfunkmonkey said:

Vannormal said:

Wouldn't it be a great idea to have contemporary great producers or DJ's mixing the unreleased vault trax?

Like... asap?

... as a little push and extra promo, a follow up to the SDE release.

I would love that!

Download only, or via YT, spotify etc...

What ya'll think?

I think that would be awful.

Why? Give it some new impulses, make it hard for the producers to sauce it up for a contemporary feel.

Honestly, I for one am not a great remix lover, but in this case i could be fun to give an extra spin to (careful now) mediocre unreleased Prince tunes.

Why not.

What could go wrong.

Imagine this :

Anderson.Paak doing "The Last Dance (Bang Pow Zoom and the Whole Nine)"

Skaiwater doing "Schoolyard"

The Weekend doing "Spirit"

JD Beck & Domi - "Letter 4 Miles"

Daft Punk doing "Daddy Pop 12inch"

Shubostar doing "Martika's Kitchen"

Meshell N'degeOcello doing "Get Blue" and "Pain"

Jack Antonoff "Hey U"

Rick Rubin doing "Blood On The Sheets"

Jahaan Sweet doing "Something Funky (This House Comes)"

Beck doing "Hold Me"

Diplo doing "Skip 2 My U My Darling"

Q-Tip doing "Work That Fat"

Skrillex doing "Streetwalker"

Kendrik Lamar doing "Blood On The Sheets"

Damon Albarn doing "The Voice"

Finneas O'Connell "Open Book"

doing "Standing At The Altar"

Pharrell doing "Alice Through The Lookig Glass"

...

Just a few ideas...

Vannormal said:

Vannormal said:

Se7en said:

Most people stream anymore. Only the die-hard Prince fans are buying these expensive SDEs.

Plus, Diamonds & Pearls did not have as many amazing Vault tracks . . . a good amount of those seem to be getting mixed reviews.

It's charted which means that a lot of diehards have purchased it.

The general public and casual fans would not spend that much money on an sde.

paisleyparkgirl said:

Se7en said:

Most people stream anymore. Only the die-hard Prince fans are buying these expensive SDEs.

Plus, Diamonds & Pearls did not have as many amazing Vault tracks . . . a good amount of those seem to be getting mixed reviews.

It's charted which means that a lot of diehards have purchased it.

The general public and casual fans would not spend that much money on an sde.

Which is why it's ludicruous they intentionally chose this album to get an SDE based on sales from the general public and casual fans over 30+ years ago.

They're literally the last group of "Prince fans" that would have interest in a $200 boutique set. They literally only bought the OG D&P just for a couple radio hits that are wholly endemic to 1991.

The worst is the fans who swear they loved D&P and are hyped for the SDE then admit this was the last Prince album they bothered with before no longer checking for him. Hmmm, wonder why that is? If it was so great you'd assume they'd be clamoring for more instead of never having any interest in another Prince album ever again...

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