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Reply #60 posted 11/26/23 6:18pm

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A lot of the vault stuff is uninteresting and always has been more or less uninteresting, but it all (and everything else) should have been released.

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Reply #61 posted 11/29/23 1:33am

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I think that the interest will creep up over time as people discover it on the music streaming services.

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Reply #62 posted 11/29/23 7:31am

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Well D&P SD is the only release in the series I haven't purchased. I've streamed some vault tracks but nothing I wanna return to. Lucky enough to see the Glam Slam live performance, which is good but I'm over this SD already. For me D&P first impressions at the time of release was disappointment. Generic sound, no experimentation and pandering to mainstream with the awkward raps included in songs that would IMHO be better without them; Willing and Able as one example.
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Reply #63 posted 11/29/23 11:08am

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Because it SHOULD have been either Parade, Dirty Mind or Around The World In A Day SDE!!!

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Reply #64 posted 11/29/23 12:15pm

SoulAlive

I purchased the D&P SDE and I enjoy it for the most part,but I gotta admit...I'm already anxious to move on to the next SDE smile Let's do something special with Dirty Mind and Controversy!!

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Reply #65 posted 11/30/23 12:30am

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The artistic merits of D&P, or lack thereof, might have something to do with that perceived lack of interest.

Another thing is that in 2023, we have so many ways to entertain ourselves, so many music (old and new) to listen to, billions of videos to watch, etc. It's very hard to judge (i.e. quantify) the interest in something, as the amount of attention we can spend on anything has been so diluted. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm just saying that it might be a little difficult to compare the interest in a release in 2023 to the interest in a release in 1987 or 1991. Looking at "the media" or "the charts" is interesting, but is it really a good way to measure that interest? Maybe. I don't know.

Some comments here are correct. If we're talking not only about the interest from the media, but also about the interest from the listeners in general, then we should see how well it does in the long run (e.g. number of streams in 1 year, 5 years, etc.).

SoulAlive says she/he's ready to move on to the next SDE and in a sense I think we all are. That 3-year gap between SOTT SDE and D&P SDE was almost unbearable. We're ready for more music, more often. That impatience could be perceived as a lack of interest, but I'm not sure it is.

I've already listened to the vault tracks and the Glam Slam 1992 show many times. How much more excited/interested can I be? I'm 45. I'm not a 13-year-old anymore. lol

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Reply #66 posted 11/30/23 1:25am

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SoulAlive says he's ready to move on to the next SDE and in a sense I think we all are. That 3-year gap between SOTT SDE and D&P SDE was almost unbearable. We're ready for more music, more often. That impatience could be perceived as a lack of interest, but I'm not sure it is.

[Edited 11/30/23 0:31am]

Exactly this.

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Reply #67 posted 11/30/23 1:59am

RODSERLING

I bought this SDE day one,but I only listened to the first 2 cds and the b-sides, by lack of time, and I suspect it, also by lack of interest.

I found the remixes interesting and really fun, I mean, I would have loved to live that era to collect the singles and maxi-singles. I think the fans were treated well, compared to other artists.
The problem still is that, there are some of them missing ( Clocking the Jizz for instance)

I was not impressed by the 2 vault discs, to say the least. It s at best fun, but nothing impressive and worthy of making the album tracklist.
While I was blown away by the 3 previous SDEs.

I only watched the Olympics rehearsals and performance, that was great. I want more like this.

I keep the third vault disc away from listening yet, because I suspect we will have to wait another couple of years before another ( truncated) project comes out.
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Reply #68 posted 11/30/23 2:24am

Vannormal

If they play it smart, there should be a next one by spring 2024.

And inbetween a one off single or maxi or at least a few downloads.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #69 posted 11/30/23 1:48pm

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Because its not Drake, or Taylor Swift, or Doja Cat, or Travis Scott...the entertainment media doesnt care about music by a deceased artist who would be 65, and who the game had already passed him by when he was alive...fame and notoriety in the recording industry is now a young persons game


Fame and notoriety was always a young person’s game. Don’t kid yourself.
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Reply #70 posted 11/30/23 2:44pm

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RJOrion said:

Because its not Drake, or Taylor Swift, or Doja Cat, or Travis Scott...the entertainment media doesnt care about music by a deceased artist who would be 65, and who the game had already passed him by when he was alive...fame and notoriety in the recording industry is now a young persons game


Fame and notoriety was always a young person’s game. Don’t kid yourself.


Youre right...and its because the youth are always easier to control and manipulate, in regards to both the performers and the consumers.
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Reply #71 posted 11/30/23 6:41pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Id say the energy around this release went down fast, not because d+p hasnt held up,

lol yeah, keep tellin' yourself that homie.

this part is outrageous, however:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

It also tells me the vault highlights from this point on will likely not be as bountiful as from the 80s records. [Edited 11/26/23 13:46pm]

please.

Just because you can't accept that his worst era produced his worst outtakes (originals notwithstanding, because those were released) doesn't mean The Vault is going to be disappointing from 1991 onward.

That's the part that irritates me the most about stupid estate putting out his stupid "#2" seller with no enduring relevency past 1991. The estate took all them "get stoopid" chants quite literally, apparently.

This shit was nobody's dream or most-wanted SDE, I don't care what you "eh actually it's his most 'cohesive' of the 90s" crowd of you say with your participation trophy semantics.

Now D&P's mildew is spreading to perceptions of The Vault like a bad banana. Not on my watch. The era sucks the outtakes suck, there's the formula.

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Reply #72 posted 12/01/23 2:01am

Vannormal

Still when I listen to the Doldy-Atmos-Mix of the album, i'm happy to have this.

And my love for D&P is not growing by it unfortunately.

Just this different approach is a welcome suprise.

And indeed i listed a couple of times to the unreleased tracks, and I am already tired of them.

Very mediocre quality.

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Reply #73 posted 12/01/23 9:51am

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Just because you can't accept that his worst era produced his worst outtakes (originals notwithstanding, because those were released) doesn't mean The Vault is going to be disappointing from 1991 onward.

That's the part that irritates me the most about stupid estate putting out his stupid "#2" seller with no enduring relevency past 1991. The estate took all them "get stoopid" chants quite literally, apparently.

This shit was nobody's dream or most-wanted SDE, I don't care what you "eh actually it's his most 'cohesive' of the 90s" crowd of you say with your participation trophy semantics.

Now D&P's mildew is spreading to perceptions of The Vault like a bad banana. Not on my watch. The era sucks the outtakes suck, there's the formula.

so you are saying that the 90s outtakes are going to be as great or as many as those we have had so far from SOTT, PR and 1999?

ok! biggrin

im sure there will be many surprises, as many of the outtakes on this recent set i did not know, but im going to suggest that from this point on, while there will be ofc some gems, it will be a case of the already released stuff being quite a bit above the unreleased stuff. whereas before, while the released stuff was def better, the gems were closer in quality to what had been released officially.

you cant just discard the songs he gave to other artists to prove your idea that the outtakes suck. those are still vault tracks, regardlss of whether someone else already recorded them. his versions were unreleased until now. so yes, they do count, sorry to say.

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Reply #74 posted 12/01/23 10:29am

RJOrion

This SDE got old quick...other than Open Book, Get Blue, and the live version of Diamonds & Pearls, the stuff in this SDE is forgettable...i agree that D&P SDE is an odd and underwhelming choice for the latest SDE release...and even though the original lp sold well, the album didnt age as well as alot of his other lps from 1978-1998.
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Reply #75 posted 12/01/23 10:38am

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they just did it to highlight his non 80s releases i think. they needed to do a big release for a big album not from the 80s. same as how they released things like the piano and a mic album, welcome 2 america etc. either way, they really need to do a sde for each of the first 10-12 albums though. that should come first.

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Reply #76 posted 12/01/23 12:05pm

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I think the best way to avoid getting disappointed is to not have any high expectations and accept the fact that Prince actually (for the most part)did release the best songs on his albums. Chances are that there won't be many masterpieces or mind blowing songs among the vault tracks in future releases. I was not impressed with lots of vault songs on the 1999 SDE but the SOTT release was great for example.
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Reply #77 posted 12/01/23 12:19pm

RJOrion

MIRvmn1 said:

I think the best way to avoid getting disappointed is to not have any high expectations and accept the fact that Prince actually (for the most part)did release the best songs on his albums. Chances are that there won't be many masterpieces or mind blowing songs among the vault tracks in future releases. I was not impressed with lot's of vault songs on the 1999 SDE but the SOTT release was great for example.
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Yep...thats why im always quick to say "there's a reason why those songs were unreleased..." we're not gonna get many songs at all, as good as "Blanche", "Love & Sex", "In A Large Room With No Light", or "Open Book"....P knew what he was doing...so did WB.
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Reply #78 posted 12/01/23 2:06pm

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RODSERLING said:

I bought this SDE day one,but I only listened to the first 2 cds and the b-sides, by lack of time, and I suspect it, also by lack of interest. I found the remixes interesting and really fun, I mean, I would have loved to live that era to collect the singles and maxi-singles. I think the fans were treated well, compared to other artists. The problem still is that, there are some of them missing ( Clocking the Jizz for instance) I was not impressed by the 2 vault discs, to say the least. It s at best fun, but nothing impressive and worthy of making the album tracklist. While I was blown away by the 3 previous SDEs. I only watched the Olympics rehearsals and performance, that was great. I want more like this. I keep the third vault disc away from listening yet, because I suspect we will have to wait another couple of years before another ( truncated) project comes out. [Edited 11/30/23 2:00am]

Like i said in a few other threads, my sde is still gathering dust, only to be layered by the lastly released "Gett Off" promo 12" reproduction.

All of this is still on YouTube, so why should i even open it?

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Reply #79 posted 12/01/23 10:37pm

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MIRvmn1 said:

I think the best way to avoid getting disappointed is to not have any high expectations and accept the fact that Prince actually (for the most part)did release the best songs on his albums. Chances are that there won't be many masterpieces or mind blowing songs among the vault tracks in future releases. I was not impressed with lots of vault songs on the 1999 SDE but the SOTT release was great for example. [Edited 12/1/23 12:15pm]

With all respect, but I still do not agree with this.

Look at the outtakes of what we already have from the previous SDE...

There are gems on there that go beyong our expectations.

Thing is we already heard most of these unofficically unreleased songs for decades in lesser quality.

Don't mix up the never heard before unreleased songs with the ones we know for decades.

Imaging hearing In A Large Room With No Light for the very first time!

or Bold Generation, or, And That Says What, or, Vagina, or, Crystal Ball,

or, If It'll Make You Happy (an underated song I added to my own ''Dirty Mind'' compiled album) or, Love And Sex, or The Cocao Boys, etc

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Reply #80 posted 12/02/23 12:37am

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WhisperingDandelions said:



paisleyparkgirl said:




Se7en said:


Most people stream anymore. Only the die-hard Prince fans are buying these expensive SDEs.

Plus, Diamonds & Pearls did not have as many amazing Vault tracks . . . a good amount of those seem to be getting mixed reviews.




It's charted which means that a lot of diehards have purchased it.


The general public and casual fans would not spend that much money on an sde.



Which is why it's ludicruous they intentionally chose this album to get an SDE based on sales from the general public and casual fans over 30+ years ago.

They're literally the last group of "Prince fans" that would have interest in a $200 boutique set. They literally only bought the OG D&P just for a couple radio hits that are wholly endemic to 1991.

The worst is the fans who swear they loved D&P and are hyped for the SDE then admit this was the last Prince album they bothered with before no longer checking for him. Hmmm, wonder why that is? If it was so great you'd assume they'd be clamoring for more instead of never having any interest in another Prince album ever again...

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I said for ages that this was why a D&P SDE was wholey unnecessary. Does anybody with a functioning pair of ears want more Tony M? Hell, there are even fan-made versions of D&P and Love Symbol omitting Tony M. We don't need or care for outtakes with him on.
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Reply #81 posted 12/03/23 12:23am

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MattyJam said:

WhisperingDandelions said:



paisleyparkgirl said:




Se7en said:


Most people stream anymore. Only the die-hard Prince fans are buying these expensive SDEs.

Plus, Diamonds & Pearls did not have as many amazing Vault tracks . . . a good amount of those seem to be getting mixed reviews.




It's charted which means that a lot of diehards have purchased it.


The general public and casual fans would not spend that much money on an sde.



Which is why it's ludicruous they intentionally chose this album to get an SDE based on sales from the general public and casual fans over 30+ years ago.

They're literally the last group of "Prince fans" that would have interest in a $200 boutique set. They literally only bought the OG D&P just for a couple radio hits that are wholly endemic to 1991.

The worst is the fans who swear they loved D&P and are hyped for the SDE then admit this was the last Prince album they bothered with before no longer checking for him. Hmmm, wonder why that is? If it was so great you'd assume they'd be clamoring for more instead of never having any interest in another Prince album ever again...

[Edited 11/26/23 13:28pm]



I said for ages that this was why a D&P SDE was wholey unnecessary. Does anybody with a functioning pair of ears want more Tony M? Hell, there are even fan-made versions of D&P and Love Symbol omitting Tony M. We don't need or care for outtakes with him on.
[Edited 12/2/23 0:42am]


Well for me the Diamonds and Pearls vault disc were full of great songs


I even enjoy the two tracks that feature Tony.


I'm glad it got released and I now have these songs to enjoy. I consider it to be as important as the other sets.
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Reply #82 posted 12/03/23 4:02am

RODSERLING

D&P is my favourite Prince album. And yes, I think Tony M is great, I don't understand all the diss on the org towards him. He did an excellent job in rapping in tracks such as Willing and Able and Live4Love. I don't know if qualified rappers of the time were able to do that. They were used to rap on very simple sampled beat.

Jughead and Push shows the unity and complementarity between the members of the band. It s just full of fun, nd reminds me of the first Sly and The Family Stone albums. Jughead and Push are Prince' Dance To The Music.

With the NPG, Prince invented a new music style : hip/hop rap on true music created especially for this. No samples, just new music, a blend of rap, pop, rock, funk...Nobody ever did that before to my knowledge, and nobody did that after neither. Not to that extent'

Moreover, for the first time in years, Prince created new music completely from scratch, opposed to what he did with Graffiti Bridge, which was a flop in his standards. He questionned himself as an artist and went on to select 13 tracks that he recorded over and over for a year, instead of just recording one song in one day like he did before.

So that may explain why the extra-material is subpar compared to the others SDE. He was creating differently than before.

Prince seemed extremely happy in this era. Forgot the spiritual themes of Lovesexy, Batman, and everything since Temptation. A lot more humour and first-degree fun in this album, and that showed on stage and in his live performances.
I think we never saw him more happy than in 1991/1992.
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Reply #83 posted 12/03/23 4:55am

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Landonfunkmonkey said:

MattyJam said:



I said for ages that this was why a D&P SDE was wholey unnecessary. Does anybody with a functioning pair of ears want more Tony M? Hell, there are even fan-made versions of D&P and Love Symbol omitting Tony M. We don't need or care for outtakes with him on.
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Well for me the Diamonds and Pearls vault disc were full of great songs


I even enjoy the two tracks that feature Tony.


I'm glad it got released and I now have these songs to enjoy. I consider it to be as important as the other sets.

Yes it's a great set and we should all be greatful that the easte is still releasing new vault tracks and there will always be some gems. But instead some people are whining cuz it's not their favorite era and album.
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Reply #84 posted 12/03/23 9:53am

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woogiebear said:

Because it SHOULD have been either Parade, Dirty Mind or Around The World In A Day SDE!!!

Hush, what's done is done and some of us were very pleased with this set.

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Reply #85 posted 12/03/23 4:28pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

you cant just discard the songs he gave to other artists to prove your idea that the outtakes suck. those are still vault tracks, regardlss of whether someone else already recorded them. his versions were unreleased until now. so yes, they do count, sorry to say.

His "versions" (really, rough scratch demo guide vocal work-in-progress takes) may be "unreleased" and "from The Vault" but the songs themselves were released (in versions he actually finished himself, e.g. the strings in "My Tender Heart" in the demo vs. the final Rosie Gaines versions).

Just because some of you go out of your way to avoid songs he didn't sing on from an artist you supposedly care about doesn't mean they're newly discovered from the floor of The Vault.

His "versions" of the Originals are like the alternate versions of "Diamonds and Pearls" or "Cream" they included. Just fun alternates.

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Reply #86 posted 12/04/23 3:11am

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WhisperingDandelions said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Id say the energy around this release went down fast, not because d+p hasnt held up,

lol yeah, keep tellin' yourself that homie.

this part is outrageous, however:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

It also tells me the vault highlights from this point on will likely not be as bountiful as from the 80s records. [Edited 11/26/23 13:46pm]

please.

Just because you can't accept that his worst era produced his worst outtakes (originals notwithstanding, because those were released) doesn't mean The Vault is going to be disappointing from 1991 onward.

That's the part that irritates me the most about stupid estate putting out his stupid "#2" seller with no enduring relevency past 1991. The estate took all them "get stoopid" chants quite literally, apparently.

This shit was nobody's dream or most-wanted SDE, I don't care what you "eh actually it's his most 'cohesive' of the 90s" crowd of you say with your participation trophy semantics.

Now D&P's mildew is spreading to perceptions of The Vault like a bad banana. Not on my watch. The era sucks the outtakes suck, there's the formula.


I love your hate for D&P. It almost rivals mine. Total dogshit album, a fluke commercial success showing that right time and place is much more important than artistic merit when it comes to selling a truckload of records.

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Reply #87 posted 12/04/23 3:32am

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you can hate it. but to call it a fluke hit is wrong. it was DESIGNED to be a hit. thats why he put so much work into the songs, which is obvious to anyone, if you compare it to the songs on the symbol album just a year later. now if it flopped, it would be an album designed to be a hit that FAILED, but he knew what he was doing and going for. same attitude he had when making PR.

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Reply #88 posted 12/04/23 3:34am

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WhisperingDandelions said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

you cant just discard the songs he gave to other artists to prove your idea that the outtakes suck. those are still vault tracks, regardlss of whether someone else already recorded them. his versions were unreleased until now. so yes, they do count, sorry to say.

His "versions" (really, rough scratch demo guide vocal work-in-progress takes) may be "unreleased" and "from The Vault" but the songs themselves were released (in versions he actually finished himself, e.g. the strings in "My Tender Heart" in the demo vs. the final Rosie Gaines versions).

Just because some of you go out of your way to avoid songs he didn't sing on from an artist you supposedly care about doesn't mean they're newly discovered from the floor of The Vault.

His "versions" of the Originals are like the alternate versions of "Diamonds and Pearls" or "Cream" they included. Just fun alternates.

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dude who cares if they were released.

HIS versions werent.

it is a diff experience listening to his versions cos yknow, HE IS SINGING THEM!

i mean, its such an obvious point i am not sure why it needs explaining.

HIS VERSIONS ARE THE ORIGINALS WHICH WERE NOT RELEASED BEFORE. SOME PPL LIKE TO HEAR PRINCE SINGING PRINCE SONGS RATHER THAN A DIFFERENT VOCALIST.

hope that makes sense.

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Reply #89 posted 12/04/23 3:41am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

you can hate it. but to call it a fluke hit is wrong. it was DESIGNED to be a hit. thats why he put so much work into the songs, which is obvious to anyone, if you compare it to the songs on the symbol album just a year later. now if it flopped, it would be an album designed to be a hit that FAILED, but he knew what he was doing and going for. same attitude he had when making PR.

Just beause it was designed to be a hit and succeeded in being one, doesn't change the fact that the songs themselves are mostly uninspired and have aged like warm milk.

It caught on because Prince enlisted ex-MJs manager and played the game. Total dreck is designed to be a hit all the time and with the right industry backing you can get literal audible sewage to top the charts.

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