Okay, this is pretty fucking exciting.

Your move, Andre...

VaultCurator said:

VaultCurator said:

More info. Newly mixed from the master tape. 7" purple vinyl with etching and a limited edition cassette (1981 copies) exclusive from Prince.com https://webcache.googleus...iew/270810

Interesting that they've commissioned Chris James, rather than Niko Bolas to "match the original demo cassette specs". Hopefully this is a step in a better direction.

bluegangsta said:

VaultCurator said:

More info. Newly mixed from the master tape. 7" purple vinyl with etching and a limited edition cassette (1981 copies) exclusive from Prince.com https://webcache.googleus...iew/270810

Interesting that they've commissioned Chris James, rather than Niko Bolas to "match the original demo cassette specs". Hopefully this is a step in a better direction.

Hopefully they can redo the other releases to with him if he does a good job.

bluegangsta said:

VaultCurator said:

More info. Newly mixed from the master tape. 7" purple vinyl with etching and a limited edition cassette (1981 copies) exclusive from Prince.com https://webcache.googleus...iew/270810

Interesting that they've commissioned Chris James, rather than Niko Bolas to "match the original demo cassette specs". Hopefully this is a step in a better direction.

Yeah, good news. Chris, with his history with Prince will hopefully have far more respect to match the source.

between this and the 'new' purple rain release in november, i guess that's it for this year?

oh well, first let's enjoy this demo for a while. looking forward to hearing it!

TwiliteKid said:

Interesting to note that this is being released by Warner, not Sony. Lots of folks around here have been running with the idea that it’s all Sony’s show from now on (other than soundtracks), but it seems that’s not the case.

I repeat for months that all the unreleased stuff recorded by Prince between 78-95 is always owned by WBR & not Sony ...if Sony wants to release something from this era ...they need agreements from WBR/The Estate !!

love2thenines2003 said:

TwiliteKid said:

Interesting to note that this is being released by Warner, not Sony. Lots of folks around here have been running with the idea that it’s all Sony’s show from now on (other than soundtracks), but it seems that’s not the case.

I repeat for months that all the unreleased stuff recorded by Prince between 78-95 is always owned by WBR & not Sony ...if Sony wants to release something from this era ...they need agreements from WBR/The Estate !!

Yep. Gonna make for some crowded credits at the bottom of future SDE covers. Not to mention getting two companies AND the estate to agree on all aspects of single projects is gonna be bonkers.

[Edited 10/14/21 5:35am]

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''In addition to its surprise release onto streaming services today,

“Do Me, Baby (Demo)” is also available to pre-order in two limited edition physical formats exclusively from the Official Prince Store:

- a special replica cassette single of “Do Me, Baby (Demo)” (limited to 1,981 units),

- and an etched 7” single pressed on purple vinyl.

The replica cassette matches the original source format stored in Prince’s Paisley Park vault for decades, and the 7” vinyl incorporates Prince’s original hand-written lyrics for the song.''

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Wow !!!

Only 1981 copies !

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And let's hope it is not frankensteined! :

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''From that 2" multitrack master tape, a cassette rough mix – recently discovered in Prince’s legendary vault and labeled in the artist’s own handwriting – was rendered but ultimately shelved. This special release of “Do Me, Baby (Demo)” has been newly mixed to match the original demo cassette specs by Prince’s GRAMMY-nominated engineer Chris James, and mastered by Prince’s longtime collaborator and multiple GRAMMY-winning engineer Bernie Grundman.''

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TwiliteKid said:

ahh .. just a little extra reverb will really improve this old demo .. maybe just bring up all these extra instruments that didn't make the mixdown and throw em in .. da fans will love it!!!

VaultCurator said:

TwiliteKid said:

Interesting to note that this is being released by Warner, not Sony. Lots of folks around here have been running with the idea that it’s all Sony’s show from now on (other than soundtracks), but it seems that’s not the case.

I guess that explains why the original version isn't on the B-side, as was the case with 'I Feel For You'. On the down side, this means that future SDEs will require co-operation from both Sony and WB. On the plus side, this does mean that if Sony doesn't want to play ball, there is nothing stopping Warner Bros from releasing compilations of unreleased songs from 78-95.

Anyone know why WB didnt buy these future rights? Cheap bastards.

jdcxc said:

VaultCurator said:

TwiliteKid said: I guess that explains why the original version isn't on the B-side, as was the case with 'I Feel For You'. On the down side, this means that future SDEs will require co-operation from both Sony and WB. On the plus side, this does mean that if Sony doesn't want to play ball, there is nothing stopping Warner Bros from releasing compilations of unreleased songs from 78-95.

Anyone know why WB didnt buy these future rights? Cheap bastards.

1) FACT: The deal involving the unreleased material was made while Prince was alive. It was part of the deal for Prince getting his master's back. Purple Rain Deluxe was also a part of this deal.

2) ASSUMPTION: After Prince died WB probably looked at what would ultimately be profitable for them and what would not. Having the rights to unreleased stuff from his peak years and his soundtrack albums (namely Purple Rain) IMO is way more profitable than the post '95 material. And they would still benefit/profit from any peak period albums that required unreleased material.

[Edited 10/14/21 6:49am]

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

jdcxc said:

Anyone know why WB didnt buy these future rights? Cheap bastards.

1) FACT: The deal involving the unreleased material was made while Prince was alive. It was part of the deal for Prince getting his master's back. Purple Rain Deluxe was also a part of this deal.

2) ASSUMPTION: After Prince died WB probably looked at what would ultimately be profitable for them and what would not. Having the rights to unreleased stuff from his peak years and his soundtrack albums (namely Purple Rain) IMO is way more profitable than the post '95 material. And they would still benefit/profit from any peak period albums that required unreleased material.

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Your fact isn't a fact, it is standard operating procedure. Warners has always owned every recording Prince made while he was under contract with them, including concert recordings etc. (Alan Leeds has mentioned this ages ago, for one.) It has nothing to do with the 2014 deal.

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WRT point 2: Warners had likely no say in that decision, other than blocking the records connected to movies they own. Sony wanting the rights to the true classics makes sense, they weren't going to pay millions for all those post-WBR records nobody cares about.

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And again, for the thousandth time: Sony being the exclusive dealer of most of the classic era instead of WBR only applies to the USA. WBR has the rights in the rest of the world.

Moonbeam said:

While I am excited for this, it does make me wonder if the estate isn’t planning on a deluxe reissue for Controversy,

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Sigh... Can we stop it with this nonsense? Hint: "I Feel For You" single also didn't give us an SDE. Neither did http://princevault.com/in...man_/_Cool . Neither did http://princevault.com/in...y_Computer . Neither did http://princevault.com/in...nneapolis) . Neither did http://princevault.com/in...s_2_U_2018. That's half a dozen examples -- enough?

love2thenines2003 said:

TwiliteKid said:

Interesting to note that this is being released by Warner, not Sony. Lots of folks around here have been running with the idea that it’s all Sony’s show from now on (other than soundtracks), but it seems that’s not the case.

I repeat for months that all the unreleased stuff recorded by Prince between 78-95 is always owned by WBR & not Sony ...if Sony wants to release something from this era ...they need agreements from WBR/The Estate !!

Almost right. It looks like 78-94 for WBR, plus Old Friends 4 Sale, the vault album recorded between '85 and '94. And then later on, the albums Art Offical Age, PlectrumElectrum.

BartVanHemelen said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

1) FACT: The deal involving the unreleased material was made while Prince was alive. It was part of the deal for Prince getting his master's back. Purple Rain Deluxe was also a part of this deal.

2) ASSUMPTION: After Prince died WB probably looked at what would ultimately be profitable for them and what would not. Having the rights to unreleased stuff from his peak years and his soundtrack albums (namely Purple Rain) IMO is way more profitable than the post '95 material. And they would still benefit/profit from any peak period albums that required unreleased material.

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Your fact isn't a fact, it is standard operating procedure. Warners has always owned every recording Prince made while he was under contract with them, including concert recordings etc. (Alan Leeds has mentioned this ages ago, for one.) It has nothing to do with the 2014 deal.

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WRT point 2: Warners had likely no say in that decision, other than blocking the records connected to movies they own. Sony wanting the rights to the true classics makes sense, they weren't going to pay millions for all those post-WBR records nobody cares about.

.

And again, for the thousandth time: Sony being the exclusive dealer of most of the classic era instead of WBR only applies to the USA. WBR has the rights in the rest of the world.

Sorry Bart, but record companies DO NOT automatically own unreleased works. It all depends on the contract. And if they owned all of his concert recordings he wouldn't have been able to release the Sign O' The Times concert film (unless you're saying he bought those rights back?)

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Your fact isn't a fact, it is standard operating procedure. Warners has always owned every recording Prince made while he was under contract with them, including concert recordings etc. (Alan Leeds has mentioned this ages ago, for one.) It has nothing to do with the 2014 deal.

.

WRT point 2: Warners had likely no say in that decision, other than blocking the records connected to movies they own. Sony wanting the rights to the true classics makes sense, they weren't going to pay millions for all those post-WBR records nobody cares about.

.

And again, for the thousandth time: Sony being the exclusive dealer of most of the classic era instead of WBR only applies to the USA. WBR has the rights in the rest of the world.

Sorry Bart, but record companies DO NOT automatically own unreleased works. It all depends on the contract. And if they owned all of his concert recordings he wouldn't have been able to release the Sign O' The Times concert film (unless you're saying he bought those rights back?)

? I don't think Prince or The Estate owned/owns the Sign O The Times movie.
And I thin ka standard record contract dictates that every recording done under contract (that means released and unreleased) is owned by the record company (because they paid for the studio time)

[Edited 10/14/21 7:18am]

I do not see the single on the website.

What makes you a vault curator?

2freaky4church1 said:

What makes you a vault curator?

learn to quote.

JorisE73 said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Sorry Bart, but record companies DO NOT automatically own unreleased works. It all depends on the contract. And if they owned all of his concert recordings he wouldn't have been able to release the Sign O' The Times concert film (unless you're saying he bought those rights back?)

? I don't think Prince or The Estate owned/owns the Sign O The Times movie.
And I thin ka standard record contract dictates that every recording done under contract (that means released and unreleased) is owned by the record company (because they paid for the studio time)

[Edited 10/14/21 7:18am]

My point was if WB owned all concert recordings (which is what Bart said) then he wouldn't have been allowed to release the Sign O The Times movie in 87 with another company....which is what he did.... unless he bought those rights back from them in order to do it.

Also, Prince did alot of recording in his own studios with his own money. Album "sessions" in the normal sense didn't always apply to how he (and many other people) record. So, like I said, it all depends on the contract and the artist.