ufoclub said:

Parade.

I feel like Diamonds and Pearls and the Symbol album are very much just part 1 and 2 of the same era. The sessions in the studio for the two are the same, right?

Not really, IIRC, the bulk of the sessions for took place in late 91, after D&P was released. According to the last recorded overdubs, the albums follow each other as such:

D&P (rec. late 89 to mid 1991)

(rec. mid 91 to mid 92)

Carmen Electra (rec. early 89 to late 92)

Gold Nigga (rec. late 90 to mid 93)

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All 4 albums form a kind of quadrilogy for sure, though, with a strong focus on hip-hop music, self-esteem themed lyrics and, save for CE, a stonger emphasis on live in the studio band recordings than earlier.

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Thematically, CE is also sort of a female conterpart to , with both records displaying a heroic, ego-trippish portrayal of their respective main perfomers. Unfortunately to very different results in terms of quality

Parade. And then ATWIAD.

databank said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

Parade definitely is my wish. I’ve just completed a trawl of Prince Vault and the below list details some of Vault tracks that could be on it (its a long list):

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You had me draming.

What. A. Fucking. List. That. Is.

EXACTLY! Release it damnit.

That would be such a thrilling box set.

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dodger said:

databank said:

Not really, IIRC, the bulk of the sessions for took place in late 91, after D&P was released. According to the last recorded overdubs, the albums follow each other as such:

D&P (rec. late 89 to mid 1991)

(rec. mid 91 to mid 92)

Carmen Electra (rec. early 89 to late 92)

Gold Nigga (rec. late 90 to mid 93)

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All 4 albums form a kind of quadrilogy for sure, though, with a strong focus on hip-hop music, self-esteem themed lyrics and, save for CE, a stonger emphasis on live in the studio band recordings than earlier.

.

Thematically, CE is also sort of a female conterpart to , with both records displaying a heroic, ego-trippish portrayal of their respective main perfomers. Unfortunately to very different results in terms of quality

Yes, the only track you could say got carried over from the D&P sessions is The Flow. And that was re-recorded and differed by the exit of Rosie and some of Tony’s verses were cut.

Well okay, not by actual recording dates, but by band personnel and arrangement philosophy. He went with a certain set of instrument voices and reverb sounds, and mostly a full band sound with a core of real instrumentation.

The remixes of "Cream" completely blur with "My Name is Prince". Same tracks shared in those layers. The Get Off video collection (I think it was that) has him watching the tape of Mayte that is probably the same one shown given to him in the "My Name is Prince" video. Or was that the Diamonds and Pearls video collection?

ufoclub said:

ufoclub said:

dodger said:

databank said: Yes, the only track you could say got carried over from the D&P sessions is The Flow. And that was re-recorded and differed by the exit of Rosie and some of Tony’s verses were cut.

Well okay, not by actual recording dates, but by band personnel and arrangement philosophy. He went with a certain set of instrument voices and reverb sounds, and mostly a full band sound with a core of real instrumentation.

The remixes of "Cream" completely blur with "My Name is Prince". Same tracks shared in those layers. The Get Off video collection (I think it was that) has him watching the tape of Mayte that is probably the same one shown given to him in the "My Name is Prince" video. Or was that the Diamonds and Pearls video collection?

I fully agree. Even though the recording dates might differ, to me the two albums sound very similar in instrumentation and production, the band is almost the same except for Morris and Rosie, and his typhoon hairdo during the Symbol/Act I&II era is pretty much a more excessive form of his Diamonds and Pearls typhoon.

Back in the day it wasn´t a different era/album if the hairdo wasn´t different, too.

ufoclub said:

dodger said:

databank said: Yes, the only track you could say got carried over from the D&P sessions is The Flow. And that was re-recorded and differed by the exit of Rosie and some of Tony’s verses were cut.

Well okay, not by actual recording dates, but by band personnel and arrangement philosophy. He went with a certain set of instrument voices and reverb sounds, and mostly a full band sound with a core of real instrumentation.

The remixes of "Cream" completely blur with "My Name is Prince". Same tracks shared in those layers. The Get Off video collection (I think it was that) has him watching the tape of Mayte that is probably the same one shown given to him in the "My Name is Prince" video. Or was that the Diamonds and Pearls video collection?

Agreed. Like I said, these 4 records constitute a kind of quadrilogy so yeah, they have a lot in common

NouveauDance said:

KoolEaze said:

ufoclub said:

Well okay, not by actual recording dates, but by band personnel and arrangement philosophy. He went with a certain set of instrument voices and reverb sounds, and mostly a full band sound with a core of real instrumentation.

The remixes of "Cream" completely blur with "My Name is Prince". Same tracks shared in those layers. The Get Off video collection (I think it was that) has him watching the tape of Mayte that is probably the same one shown given to him in the "My Name is Prince" video. Or was that the Diamonds and Pearls video collection?

I fully agree. Even though the recording dates might differ, to me the two albums sound very similar in instrumentation and production, the band is almost the same except for Morris and Rosie, and his typhoon hairdo during the Symbol/Act I&II era is pretty much a more excessive form of his Diamonds and Pearls typhoon.

Back in the day it wasn´t a different era/album if the hairdo wasn´t different, too.

Eagle eyes also notice that his eyebrows were shaped differently for different eras.

JayCrawford said:

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Release them both at the same time

Self entitled 80's Prince fans happy

self entitled 90's Prince fans happy

More $ for the corporates

everyones a winner

FrankieCoco1 said:

Parade definitely is my wish. I’ve just completed a trawl of Prince Vault and the below list details some of Vault tracks that could be on it (its a long list): Parade Vault Tracks/possibles? Sister Fate 1st week Jan 1985 A Love Bizarre 1st week Jan 1985 Dear Michaelangelo Jan 1985 Bedtime Story Jan 1985 Fish Fries Jan 1985 Small Grey Monkey Jan 1985 Toy Box Jan 1985 [Recording for Sheila E’s Romance 1600 album 20/1/85] 4 The Tears In Your Eyes (We Are The World Version) 2/2/85 Romance 1600 5/2/85 Yellow 8-9/2/85 The Dance Electric Early 1985 (Andre Cymone version with Prince present) Someone 2 Call 5/4/85 (played during Purple Rain Tour show) 4 The Tears In Your Eyes (Video Version) ?/4/85 Wendy’s Parade 17/4/85 [New Position, I Wonder U, Under The Cherry Moon - all without Clare Fischer orchestration 17/4/85] Others Here With Us 20/4/85 Old Friends 4 Sale 20/4/85 Tibet 20/4/85 [instrumental] [Life Can Be So Nice, Sometimes It Snows In April 21/4/85] Evolisgod 23/4/85 Holly Rock 24/4/85 All My Dreams 28/4/85-1/5/85 Kiss (including acoustic blues initial version) 28/4/85-29?/4/86 Strawberry Lover May 1985 (Mazarati track, written as Fear The Shadow by Brown Mark until Prince rewrote the lyrics) I Guess It’s All Over May 1985 (Mazarati track, written as We Did Things Our Way by Brown Mark until Prince rewrote the lyrics) Jerk Out May 1985 (Prince did further work on this at this time) Jealous Girl 6?/5/85 (possible mix submitted to The Bangles) My Man (Original Prince Version) 10/5/85 [Hello 24/5/85 ATWIAD b-side] Come Elektra Tuesday 26/5/85 Heaven 26/5/85 Stella And Charles 26/5/85 Polka-Dot Tiger 28/5/85 Drawers/Little Rock 29/5/85 Killin’ At The Soda Shop 29/5/85 Married Man 29/5/85 Zebra With The Blonde Hair 29/5/85 Drawers 29/5/85 (released by Eric Leeds as Little Rock, and also known as 21 from aborted 1989 Madhouse album 26) For Love (30/5/20) [Teacher, Teacher 18/6/85 on SOTT deluxe] [Girls & Boys 8/7/85 on Parade] [Love or Money 9/7/85 Kiss B-side] Neon Telephone 10/7/85 Do U Lie? 14/7/85 (before Clare Fischer orchestration added in Jan 86) (U Got The) Good Drawers 25/7/85 The Question Of U mid-late July 1985 Venus de Milo mid-late July 1985 (on Parade but this is before Clare Fischer orchestration added in Jan 1986) Call Of The Wild - late July 85 + some mixing in September 1985 (incorrectly, by some until recently, thought to be called 9-5 People, and from 1988) God Is Everywhere - late July 85 + some mixing 26/9/85 Splash 1/8/85 (Clare Fischer strings recorded July 86) Empty Room 4/8/85 Sexual Suicide 19/8/85 (released on Crystal Ball 1998, but there is a version with additional vocals and instrumentation) Go early Aug 85 (also worked late Oct 85) My Sex early Aug 85 [Christopher Tracey’s Parade - Summer 85] Life Can Be So Nice (With Clare Fischer Orchestration) mid-late 1985) Sometimes It Snows In April (With Clare Fischer Orchestration) mid-late 1985 [Girl B-side Of America remixed at some point in 1985, released 2/10/85] Palomino Pleasure Ride - possibly at some point in 1985 (if a studio version exists) Note: Filming of UTCM movie 16 Sep-Late Nov 85 [Mountains 30/11/85 on Parade] An Honest Man 30/11/85 (Acapella version on Crystal Ball but full instrumental version, which was in movie UTCM) Eternity Dec 1985 Anotherloverholenyohead 16/12/85 (released on Parade with some Clare Fischer orchestration but also version without any) [Dream Factory mid December 1985 (on 1988’s Crystal Ball but unreleased version with alternate ending is mentioned on Prince Vault)] She Pony Dec 1985 Love On A Blue Train 17/12/85 A Couple Of Miles 26/12/85 (plus 30/12/85 overdubs by Eric Leeds) Can I Play With U? 26-27/12/85 (before being sent to Miles Davis and Prince extending it in Feb/Mar 1986) “Paisley Jam” 28/12/85: Slaughterhouse Madrid, Breathless, U Just Can’t Stop, Run Amok, The Question Of U (Eric Leeds called it “12 Keys”, but actually instrumental of this) High Calonic Mobile Voodoo Who (cover of Villanova Junction by Jimi Hendrix) 30/12/85 U Gotta Shake Something 30/12/85 Most Strongest Whiskey (cover of song by Denise LaSalle) 30/12/85 Damn 30/12/85 [Love And Sex 3/1/86 on SOTT deluxe; Sheila E’s faster version 25/3/86] Everybody’s Jam" session 5/1/86 Junk Music, Up From Below Y'All Want Some More? Groove In C Minor, Slow Groove In G Major Groove In G Flat Minor Incidental music for UTCM movie 6-7/1/86 (note Prince Vault details all of the UTCM incidental music http://www.princevault.co..._Moon_cues ) Rough 8/1/86 (Jill Jones vocal recorded and saxophone overdubs by Eric Leeds; original version recorded May-June 1980) Conversation Piece 12/1/86 [Last Heart 12/1/86 on 1998’s Crystal Ball] [Wonderful Day 30/1/86 on SOTT deluxe, but there is an instrumental version, a snippet of which is in UTCM] Mixing of songs (With You, Mia Bocca, G-Spot, Baby You’re A Trip) for Jill Jones album 30/1/86 “Duet with dad” (no known title) 9/2/86 (possibly 1 or more songs recorded, speculation that John L Nelson’s hi writing credit on Scandalous stems from this session) Euphoria Highway 17/2/86 Fun Love 11/3/86 (sent to Clare Fischer in Aug 1986 for orchestration) Twosday 11/3/86 [The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker 13+153/86 on SOTT/deluxe, but Clare Fischer orchestration/horn/brass arrangement version is still unreleased] [Witness 4 The Prosecution 14-15/3/86 - 2 versions on SOTT deluxe but these were done on 15/4/86 and 6/10/86, so the initial 14/3/86 version, if it still exists, is unreleased] And How 19/3/86 [Power Fantastic 19/3/86 on The Hits and SOTT deluxe] [And That Says What? 20/3/86 on SOTT deluxe] [Boy’s Club 23/3/86 released by Sheila E on her third album - don’t know if there is a Prince vocal version] [A Place In Heaven 27/3/86 both Prince and Lisa vocal versions, plus “backwards” version “Nevaeh No Ecalp A” on SOTT deluxe] [Movie Star 27/3/86 on 1998’s Crystal Ball but with Jam Of The Year sample on it] PARADE RELEASED IN USA 31/3/86 Wouldn’t You Love 2 Love Me - some time in 1986 this was reworked (initially version was recorded in 1976) [Colors 18/4/86 on S SOTT deluxe] [Starfish And Coffee 20/4/86 on SOTT] Get On Up 3/5/86 (cover of The Esquires track from 1967, also re-recorded for Carmen Elektra album as Everybody Get On Up in spring 1992) [In A Large Room With No Light 4/5/86 on SOTT deluxe] Incidental Music UTCM 6-9/5/86 Frustration 10/5/86 If I Could Get Your Attention 10/5/86 Boy U Bad 10/5/86 [It from SOTT also on 11/5/86] Baby Go-Go 12/6/86 Data Bank 17/6/86 Can’t Stop This Feeling I Got 17/6/86 We Can Funk 17/6/86 Girl O’ My Dreams 18/6/86 [Train 7/7/86 on SOTT] Eggplant 7-8/7/86 [Prince vocal version on SOTT Deluxe but with Wendy version unreleased] [It Ain’t Over ‘Til The Fat Lady Sings 9/7/86 on SOTT deluxe - with Clare Fischer orchestration Aug 86] After about this time, it’s really the Dream Factory/Camille/Crystal Ball/SOTT era. EDITS: 3 or 4 extra songs added that I’d missed. [Edited 1/16/21 15:43pm] [Edited 1/16/21 15:49pm] [Edited 1/16/21 16:08pm] [Edited 1/16/21 16:36pm]

wow.

how many cds would that even be?!

guess it depends on how much of this is available/in decent condition in the vault...

Everyone come behold Christopher Tracy's Parade

JayCrawford is jealous of 1990s Prince, that's why he acts out. He's also terribly insecure and jealous of us, very reasonable, fans that want more 90s stuff over another 80s release. Terribly jealous, quite sad, really.

Parade Super Deluxe makes the most sense from a financial stand point. Although, D & P sold more albums and is a great POP album. D & P is not a fan or critical top five favorite Prince album. Parade and Dirty Mind are far more critically acclaimed and should be the next 2 deluxes IMO.

JayCrawford said:

dodger said:

Parade for sure!

Revolution81 said: