MoodyBlumes said:

Found this part very cool:

Atlanta Bliss: So it'd just be him, and he would be singing us the parts. We didn't have anything written, but he would sing us the parts, and he would go [sings parts] — "OK, you guys ready?" He's ready to hit the red button to record that. I'd say, "Wait a second. I'm still scratching some things down." It wasn't like, "Take it home and practice it." It was like, "It's coming out of my guitar that fast; I expect it to come out of you that fast."

That was a good part. But it also shows how Prince pushed people to be better, and to want to be better.

TrivialPursuit said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Found this part very cool:

Atlanta Bliss: So it'd just be him, and he would be singing us the parts. We didn't have anything written, but he would sing us the parts, and he would go [sings parts] — "OK, you guys ready?" He's ready to hit the red button to record that. I'd say, "Wait a second. I'm still scratching some things down." It wasn't like, "Take it home and practice it." It was like, "It's coming out of my guitar that fast; I expect it to come out of you that fast."

That was a good part. But it also shows how Prince pushed people to be better, and to want to be better.

Yes, seems he wanted to capture an aliveness, excitement and energy more than just rehearsed notes. He recorded many things in one take.

[Edited 9/3/20 23:10pm]

donnyenglish said:

The SOTT band shade was less this time but there were moments. I find it interesting that Susan Rogers felt like Prince lost something when he went with the “Oakland” band. Prince seemed to think that band took him higher. Many fans agree with Prince that his SOTT/Lovesexy band was an improvement from his previous bands.

The fans regard that band highly for the live shows. They were specifically talking about the studio work and songwriting here, which makes sense as a studio engineer.

NouveauDance said:

donnyenglish said:

The SOTT band shade was less this time but there were moments. I find it interesting that Susan Rogers felt like Prince lost something when he went with the “Oakland” band. Prince seemed to think that band took him higher. Many fans agree with Prince that his SOTT/Lovesexy band was an improvement from his previous bands.

The fans regard that band highly for the live shows. They were specifically talking about the studio work and songwriting here, which makes sense as a studio engineer.

Yeah, and also i took it more as her just saying that the new band took him in a different direction - that the two bands had different 'flavours' and each could do different things, rather than one band being better than the other. She did descibe the Oakland band as 'magnificent'.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

So Blanche seems to have been inspired by Streetcar Named Desire? Interesting. It seems like a cool song. I love hearing the stories from the former associates. It’s weird hearing Big Tall Wall with all of that instrumentation. I think I like the sparser version better. I love Andrea but is Big Tall Wall really “challenging to listen to?” I don’t take it as him being like Buffalo Bill in Silence Of The Lambs or something. More of a playful song about him wanting her all for himself.

wait till she hears the I Hate U remix

violetcrush said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

violetcrush said:

Really??? How is that so ridiculous?? It's far from just one lyric. She's literally singing backrounds with some primary vocals throughout the song with him, and the song is about the two of them making love during the "apocalypse" as he describes it in the song.

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As soldiers draw swords of sorrow
My baby draws pictures of sex (Yes, she does)
All over the walls in graphic detail - sex!

[Chorus 2]
Everybody say it now
Expert lover, huh, my baby
Ever had a Crystal Ball?
Under... undercover, ha, no maybe
All for fun and fun for all

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Really not sure why it's so hard for folks to get the fact that Prince was engaged to, and living with the woman at the time he wrote the song. He refers to "my baby" throughout the entire song.

Definitely not hard to get, oh Condescending one. In this instance of this song, I find it hard to buy. It’s not like she hasn’t erroneously taken credit for being the inspiration for a song in the past (and been corrected by Prince). Do you think because she performed on a song that means she was the inspiration for it? I do think she unquestionably inspired certain songs. But I don’t think this is one of them.

Nope. I absolutely DO NOT think that just because she performed on a song that she was the subject or inspiration for the song. However, he refers to "my baby draws pictures all over the walls in graphic detail..." AND also refers to "my baby" as the "expert lover" in the song. So, what you seem to be saying is that only the ONE lyric, which includes the term "my baby" refers to Susannah, but for ALL of the other lyrics that include "my baby" all through the song he's NOT referring to her?? Okay, sure. Come on!! That just makes no logical sense at all.

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Regarding "erroneously taking credit for being the inspiration for a song"......you need to go back and really read that 2015 Ebony interview. Prince NEVER once stated the song was NOT about Susannah Melvoin - even when he was asked point blank. Yes, he confirmed the specific lyric "the beautiful ones always smash the picture" was referencing Vanity, because she had just left the film. However, this is what he stated when he was directly asked about Susannah:

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[Edited 9/4/20 5:18am]

She thinks her being around helped draw Crystal Ball out of Prince, she'll never be able to prove it wholly and you'll never be able to prove it wrong, let it rest already. If someone else wants to chime in with their story about helping inspire the song I say lets hear from them as well. It's all Prince at the end of the day.

jstar69 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Maybe, but it's Susannah talking, not Wendy. For the most part. Is Wendy even in it? I don't remember hearing her, but maybe she was there for a hot second.

No she’s not!

My error. Well then Susannah she's already starting to get it

violetcrush said:

TheSilentMikey said:

To all the people that are saying it’s not him on “Eggplant”, (this is really stupid...) it’s him. [Edited 9/3/20 13:26pm]

Say what you will after multiple listens and with headphones I STILL here Wendy, just because it states "Original Prince Vocal" does not mean that Wendy is not on the track! It could just be that Prince's vocal on this track is different to that of the boot

JAYJOE said:

TheSilentMikey said:

To all the people that are saying it’s not him on “Eggplant”, (this is really stupid...) it’s him. [Edited 9/3/20 13:26pm]

Say what you will after multiple listens and with headphones I STILL here Wendy, just because it states "Original Prince Vocal" does not mean that Wendy is not on the track! It could just be that Prince's vocal on this track is different to that of the boot

It isn't Wendy. It's Prince. Save this post so that in a couple weeks you see how silly it looks.

LoveGalore said:

JAYJOE said:

Say what you will after multiple listens and with headphones I STILL here Wendy, just because it states "Original Prince Vocal" does not mean that Wendy is not on the track! It could just be that Prince's vocal on this track is different to that of the boot

It isn't Wendy. It's Prince. Save this post so that in a couple weeks you see how silly it looks.

Oh I intend to lol 😆, I actually hope I'm wrong tbh

JAYJOE said:

LoveGalore said:

JAYJOE said:

Say what you will after multiple listens and with headphones I STILL here Wendy, just because it states "Original Prince Vocal" does not mean that Wendy is not on the track! It could just be that Prince's vocal on this track is different to that of the boot

It isn't Wendy. It's Prince. Save this post so that in a couple weeks you see how silly it looks.

Wendy IS at least singing on Eggplant. You are hearing impaired if you think her vocals are not on this track....

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LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Nope. I absolutely DO NOT think that just because she performed on a song that she was the subject or inspiration for the song. However, he refers to "my baby draws pictures all over the walls in graphic detail..." AND also refers to "my baby" as the "expert lover" in the song. So, what you seem to be saying is that only the ONE lyric, which includes the term "my baby" refers to Susannah, but for ALL of the other lyrics that include "my baby" all through the song he's NOT referring to her?? Okay, sure. Come on!! That just makes no logical sense at all.

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Regarding "erroneously taking credit for being the inspiration for a song"......you need to go back and really read that 2015 Ebony interview. Prince NEVER once stated the song was NOT about Susannah Melvoin - even when he was asked point blank. Yes, he confirmed the specific lyric "the beautiful ones always smash the picture" was referencing Vanity, because she had just left the film. However, this is what he stated when he was directly asked about Susannah:

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EBONY: I’ve read “The Beautiful Ones” was based on Susannah Melvoin.

Prince: Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now. It wouldn’t have worked if it was. This was literally for that character. And that’s why it worked. Everybody thinks the song is about them. “This song’s about me and the other one’s about Bob Seger.” [laughter]

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Come on!! If that's not deflecting and talking around the specific question to avoid giving a direct "yes or no" answer I don't know what is!! Alan Light's book about PR had just been released and I have no doubt Prince read that book as he and Alan were friends. The comment about Bob Seger came from that book. It's Matt's account of Prince wanting to write a song that would appeal to the masses. He had also been fueding with Susannah about using The Family name and they had stopped speaking.

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Here is Prince at his first P&M show January 21, 2016, right before he plays TBO:

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"Some singers have the courage to tell you- and if they're male don't let them lie to you - we ALL write songs to "cop" girls..."

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This was the account all along. Susannah had a serious boyfriend when he met her, so she was not available to him for quite awhile. She's confirmed that he courted her for almost a year before they slept together. So, I would imagine the issues of Vanity leaving the film coupled with his frustration about wanting to be with someone who he could not immediately have would produce a song like TBO.

[Edited 9/4/20 5:18am]

So not even Prince himself can tell y'all what the tea is, ya gotta stick to your guns forever. What a hill to die on.

I guess you missed the last verbal quote above from Prince in 2016.....

JAYJOE said:

LoveGalore said:

It isn't Wendy. It's Prince. Save this post so that in a couple weeks you see how silly it looks.

Oh I intend to lol 😆, I actually hope I'm wrong tbh

You are not wrong. Wendy is absolutely singing on Eggplant, and is the main vocal. There may be a version with just Prince - in fact, there probably is, but the version I've heard mainly Wendy.

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Here is a link from YT:

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https://youtu.be/n1hCJt0dk0A

SchlomoThaHomo said:

violetcrush said:

Really??? How is that so ridiculous?? It's far from just one lyric. She's literally singing backrounds with some primary vocals throughout the song with him, and the song is about the two of them making love during the "apocalypse" as he describes it in the song.

*

As soldiers draw swords of sorrow
My baby draws pictures of sex (Yes, she does)
All over the walls in graphic detail - sex!

[Chorus 2]
Everybody say it now
Expert lover, huh, my baby
Ever had a Crystal Ball?
Under... undercover, ha, no maybe
All for fun and fun for all

*

Really not sure why it's so hard for folks to get the fact that Prince was engaged to, and living with the woman at the time he wrote the song. He refers to "my baby" throughout the entire song.

Definitely not hard to get, oh Condescending one. In this instance of this song, I find it hard to buy. It’s not like she hasn’t erroneously taken credit for being the inspiration for a song in the past (and been corrected by Prince). Do you think because she performed on a song that means she was the inspiration for it? I do think she unquestionably inspired certain songs. But I don’t think this is one of them.

Would love to see this wall...

"As soldiers draw swords of sorrow
My baby draws pictures of sex (Yes, she does)
All over the walls in graphic detail - sex!"

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Nope. I absolutely DO NOT think that just because she performed on a song that she was the subject or inspiration for the song. However, he refers to "my baby draws pictures all over the walls in graphic detail..." AND also refers to "my baby" as the "expert lover" in the song. So, what you seem to be saying is that only the ONE lyric, which includes the term "my baby" refers to Susannah, but for ALL of the other lyrics that include "my baby" all through the song he's NOT referring to her?? Okay, sure. Come on!! That just makes no logical sense at all.

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Regarding "erroneously taking credit for being the inspiration for a song"......you need to go back and really read that 2015 Ebony interview. Prince NEVER once stated the song was NOT about Susannah Melvoin - even when he was asked point blank. Yes, he confirmed the specific lyric "the beautiful ones always smash the picture" was referencing Vanity, because she had just left the film. However, this is what he stated when he was directly asked about Susannah:

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EBONY: I’ve read “The Beautiful Ones” was based on Susannah Melvoin.

Prince: Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now. It wouldn’t have worked if it was. This was literally for that character. And that’s why it worked. Everybody thinks the song is about them. “This song’s about me and the other one’s about Bob Seger.” [laughter]

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Come on!! If that's not deflecting and talking around the specific question to avoid giving a direct "yes or no" answer I don't know what is!! Alan Light's book about PR had just been released and I have no doubt Prince read that book as he and Alan were friends. The comment about Bob Seger came from that book. It's Matt's account of Prince wanting to write a song that would appeal to the masses. He had also been fueding with Susannah about using The Family name and they had stopped speaking.

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Here is Prince at his first P&M show January 21, 2016, right before he plays TBO:

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"Some singers have the courage to tell you- and if they're male don't let them lie to you - we ALL write songs to "cop" girls..."

*

This was the account all along. Susannah had a serious boyfriend when he met her, so she was not available to him for quite awhile. She's confirmed that he courted her for almost a year before they slept together. So, I would imagine the issues of Vanity leaving the film coupled with his frustration about wanting to be with someone who he could not immediately have would produce a song like TBO.

[Edited 9/4/20 5:18am]

So not even Prince himself can tell y'all what the tea is, ya gotta stick to your guns forever. What a hill to die on.

Well apparently the journalist wasn't interested in Prince's tea. Why would he ask again if Prince already already answered the question? I think Prince reacted gracefully, he did share that he didn't appreciate people claiming inspiration for his songs.

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From the article:

"And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

[Edited 9/4/20 9:42am]

NouveauDance said:

donnyenglish said:

The SOTT band shade was less this time but there were moments. I find it interesting that Susan Rogers felt like Prince lost something when he went with the “Oakland” band. Prince seemed to think that band took him higher. Many fans agree with Prince that his SOTT/Lovesexy band was an improvement from his previous bands.

The fans regard that band highly for the live shows. They were specifically talking about the studio work and songwriting here, which makes sense as a studio engineer.

Sheila would have been in the studio when she recorded 'U Got the Look'. She also played on 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night'. And she would have been in the studio with Prince recording her solo albums, 1984-87; Prince wrote and produced those songs; Glamorous Life was her biggest hit.

MoodyBlumes said:

NouveauDance said:

The fans regard that band highly for the live shows. They were specifically talking about the studio work and songwriting here, which makes sense as a studio engineer.

Sheila would have been in the studio when she recorded 'U Got the Look'.

and hopefully they'll talk to her when they talk about that song

She also played on 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night'.

She did the rap on it, she didn't play on it. Hopefully they'll talk about how he turned that groove into a full song and talk to her.

And she would have been in the studio with Prince recording her solo albums, 1984-87; Prince wrote and produced those songs; Glamorous Life was her biggest hit.

Personally i'd love to hear more about the recording if her third album, or the Jill Jones album, or the Madhouse albums, but i don't think it's gonna happen on this podcast.

[Edited 9/4/20 9:57am]

violetcrush said:

JAYJOE said:

Oh I intend to lol 😆, I actually hope I'm wrong tbh

You are not wrong. Wendy is absolutely singing on Eggplant, and is the main vocal. There may be a version with just Prince - in fact, there probably is, but the version I've heard mainly Wendy.

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Here is a link from YT:

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https://youtu.be/n1hCJt0dk0A

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So I've now listened repeatedly to the part with vocals in the podcast.. at first (and second and third...) listen I thought it was Wendy, from the version that is out there. But in listening closer and more times, this does seem to be Prince. He is singing the song very similar to Wendy though. I wonder who sang it first... generally Prince with whoever followed closely mimicking his delivery. That might be the case here too. But yes, the snippet on display here is Prince.

jaawwnn said:

MoodyBlumes said:

She did the rap on it, she didn't play on it. Hopefully they'll talk about how he turned that groove into a full song and talk to her.

And she would have been in the studio with Prince recording her solo albums, 1984-87; Prince wrote and produced those songs; Glamorous Life was her biggest hit.

Personally i'd love to hear more about the recording if her third album, or the Jill Jones album, or the Madhouse albums, but i don't think it's gonna happen on this podcast.

[Edited 9/4/20 9:57am]

The album states that Sheila played percussion (and raps) on It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night. I'm sure we all have our personal favorites, but Prince was recording albums with Sheila from 1984.

mediumdry said:

violetcrush said:

You are not wrong. Wendy is absolutely singing on Eggplant, and is the main vocal. There may be a version with just Prince - in fact, there probably is, but the version I've heard mainly Wendy.

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Here is a link from YT:

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https://youtu.be/n1hCJt0dk0A

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So I've now listened repeatedly to the part with vocals in the podcast.. at first (and second and third...) listen I thought it was Wendy, from the version that is out there. But in listening closer and more times, this does seem to be Prince. He is singing the song very similar to Wendy though. I wonder who sang it first... generally Prince with whoever followed closely mimicking his delivery. That might be the case here too. But yes, the snippet on display here is Prince.

So, wait....you think ALL vocals on the audio clip I linked are ONLY Prince??? How is that even possible?

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The opening lyric, "That kind of girl's no good for you. She flips her hair and thinks she's cool. Giggles at every joke you tell. Ask her religion, she'll say swell. Starving children, now that's hot! Long as she's eating, damn the lot. Queen of Englan, Duke of Earl, ain't got nothin' on this girl..."

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Are you saying that is actually Prince trying to sound like Wendy??!!! Am I in the twilight zone here???

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No question Prince has the talking lyric - "Yo Lucy, give me some slack, you don't even know the girl!" Then Wendy says, "Oh yes I do! I know her kind very well. She's probably got a poodle named Fluffy" Then Prince, "Yeah, I bet she got a real fluffly poodle!" Then Wendy, "oh please!"

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HOW IN THE WORLD CAN ANYONE SAY THIS TRACK (THE ONE THAT I LINKED) IS ALL PRINCE????

violetcrush said:

mediumdry said:

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So I've now listened repeatedly to the part with vocals in the podcast.. at first (and second and third...) listen I thought it was Wendy, from the version that is out there. But in listening closer and more times, this does seem to be Prince. He is singing the song very similar to Wendy though. I wonder who sang it first... generally Prince with whoever followed closely mimicking his delivery. That might be the case here too. But yes, the snippet on display here is Prince.

So, wait....you think ALL vocals on the audio clip I linked are ONLY Prince??? How is that even possible?

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The opening lyric, "That kind of girl's no good for you. She flips her hair and thinks she's cool. Giggles at every joke you tell. Ask her religion, she'll say swell. Starving children, now that's hot! Long as she's eating, damn the lot. Queen of Englan, Duke of Earl, ain't got nothin' on this girl..."

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Are you saying that is actually Prince trying to sound like Wendy??!!! Am I in the twilight zone here???

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No question Prince has the talking lyric - "Yo Lucy, give me some slack, you don't even know the girl!" Then Wendy says, "Oh yes I do! I know her kind very well. She's probably got a poodle named Fluffy" Then Prince, "Yeah, I bet she got a real fluffly poodle!" Then Wendy, "oh please!"

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HOW IN THE WORLD CAN ANYONE SAY THIS TRACK (THE ONE THAT I LINKED) IS ALL PRINCE????

You're linking the Wendy version. We're getting the Prince version. The Prince version is what is played in the podcast, and that's the version we're talking about.

MoodyBlumes said:

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said: So not even Prince himself can tell y'all what the tea is, ya gotta stick to your guns forever. What a hill to die on.

Well apparently the journalist wasn't interested in Prince's tea. Why would he ask again if Prince already already answered the question? I think Prince reacted gracefully, he did share that he didn't appreciate people claiming inspiration for his songs.

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From the article:

"And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

[Edited 9/4/20 9:42am]

And.....Later in the same interview:

TheSilentMikey said:

The version on this release is the one with Prince doing guide vocals for Wendy...

Ahhhh, okay. I haven't heard that version. I guess it's played on the podcast, or is it out there?

MoodyBlumes said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

violetcrush said: Definitely not hard to get, oh Condescending one. In this instance of this song, I find it hard to buy. It’s not like she hasn’t erroneously taken credit for being the inspiration for a song in the past (and been corrected by Prince). Do you think because she performed on a song that means she was the inspiration for it? I do think she unquestionably inspired certain songs. But I don’t think this is one of them.

Would love to see this wall...

"As soldiers draw swords of sorrow
My baby draws pictures of sex (Yes, she does)
All over the walls in graphic detail - sex!"

Well, I believe Susannah stated that Karen Krattinger snapped at least one picture of it at some point, so however old it is, I hope she releases it - maybe in the book she'll hopefully write in the near future.

violetcrush said: