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Reply #150 posted 09/04/20 12:11pm

mediumdry

violetcrush said:

mediumdry said:

So I've now listened repeatedly to the part with vocals in the podcast.. [...] But yes, the snippet on display here is Prince.

So, wait....you think ALL vocals on the audio clip I linked are ONLY Prince??? How is that even possible?

[...]

HOW IN THE WORLD CAN ANYONE SAY THIS TRACK (THE ONE THAT I LINKED) IS ALL PRINCE????

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I mentioned the version floating out there (that you linked to) as being Wendy. I mentioned explicitly I was talking about the snippet that's in the podcast. (as was pointed out to you also by others)

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Reply #151 posted 09/04/20 12:35pm

JAYJOE

After trying repeated listens of the Eggplant sample, and imagining Prince singing it in I am eventually staring to here a little bit Prince

he might have better luck if he was drummin with his Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #152 posted 09/04/20 12:41pm

violetcrush

mediumdry said:

violetcrush said:

So, wait....you think ALL vocals on the audio clip I linked are ONLY Prince??? How is that even possible?

[...]

HOW IN THE WORLD CAN ANYONE SAY THIS TRACK (THE ONE THAT I LINKED) IS ALL PRINCE????

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I mentioned the version floating out there (that you linked to) as being Wendy. I mentioned explicitly I was talking about the snippet that's in the podcast. (as was pointed out to you also by others)

I realized that after I noticed the earlier posts about it. I did not know there was a "Prince only" version of Eggplant.

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Reply #153 posted 09/04/20 12:44pm

mediumdry

violetcrush said:

I realized that after I noticed the earlier posts about it. I did not know there was a "Prince only" version of Eggplant.

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Check the tracklisting of SOTT super deluxe smile

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Reply #154 posted 09/04/20 12:44pm

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Ahhhh, okay. I haven't heard that version. I guess it's played on the podcast, or is it out there?

We are literally talking about it right now in this thread???

Right. As I stated above, I did not notice the "Prince only" version played during the Podcast. I had only heard the edited "Prince and Wendy" version, which makes more sense as a finished track, as it is a conversation between a guy and a girl about pretty-but-airheaded women.

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Reply #155 posted 09/04/20 1:05pm

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



LoveGalore said:


violetcrush said:



Ahhhh, okay. I haven't heard that version. I guess it's played on the podcast, or is it out there?




We are literally talking about it right now in this thread???


Right. As I stated above, I did not notice the "Prince only" version played during the Podcast. I had only heard the edited "Prince and Wendy" version, which makes more sense as a finished track, as it is a conversation between a guy and a girl about pretty-but-airheaded women.



Well now that we are all on the same page on Eggplant, let's regroup after we take another glance at the SDE tracklist and commit it to memory.
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Reply #156 posted 09/04/20 1:08pm

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eggplant is a stone cold classic and that's 150 percent prince's voice... i'm glad we have the wendy version too.

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Reply #157 posted 09/04/20 2:30pm

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Blanche reminds me of Come Elektra Tuesday.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #158 posted 09/04/20 5:57pm

rap

The quality of the footage from the New Year's Eve Concert looks substandard!

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Reply #159 posted 09/04/20 6:12pm

LoveGalore

rap said:

The quality of the footage from the New Year's Eve Concert looks substandard!




Not really. It looks like exactly what it is: Prince recorded a show to document the final SOTT tour performance and his first time on stage with a hero of his. He certainly didn't have any intentions of releasing it.
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Reply #160 posted 09/04/20 6:33pm

MoodyBlumes

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Would love to see this wall...

"As soldiers draw swords of sorrow
My baby draws pictures of sex (Yes, she does)
All over the walls in graphic detail - sex!"

Well, I believe Susannah stated that Karen Krattinger snapped at least one picture of it at some point, so however old it is, I hope she releases it - maybe in the book she'll hopefully write in the near future.

Wow, well it would be interesting to read about how she transitioned to graphic sex scenes from this DF art - https://imgur.com/20UL26r

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Reply #161 posted 09/04/20 8:53pm

LoveGalore

MoodyBlumes said:



violetcrush said:




MoodyBlumes said:



Would love to see this wall...



"As soldiers draw swords of sorrow
My baby draws pictures of sex (Yes, she does)
All over the walls in graphic detail - sex!"




Well, I believe Susannah stated that Karen Krattinger snapped at least one picture of it at some point, so however old it is, I hope she releases it - maybe in the book she'll hopefully write in the near future.




Wow, well it would be interesting to read about how she transitioned to graphic sex scenes from this DF art - https://imgur.com/20UL26r






As if he would've used that ghastly scratching.
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Reply #162 posted 09/04/20 8:56pm

lustmealways

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LoveGalore said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Wow, well it would be interesting to read about how she transitioned to graphic sex scenes from this DF art - https://imgur.com/20UL26r

As if he would've used that ghastly scratching.

be nice

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Reply #163 posted 09/04/20 8:57pm

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i think that art is the bomb. makes my mind flutter.

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Reply #164 posted 09/04/20 9:07pm

MoodyBlumes

LoveGalore said:

MoodyBlumes said:



violetcrush said:




MoodyBlumes said:



Would love to see this wall...



"As soldiers draw swords of sorrow
My baby draws pictures of sex (Yes, she does)
All over the walls in graphic detail - sex!"




Well, I believe Susannah stated that Karen Krattinger snapped at least one picture of it at some point, so however old it is, I hope she releases it - maybe in the book she'll hopefully write in the near future.




Wow, well it would be interesting to read about how she transitioned to graphic sex scenes from this DF art - https://imgur.com/20UL26r






As if he would've used that ghastly scratching.

....
Prince never put out the cover, no.
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Reply #165 posted 09/04/20 11:04pm

mediumdry

MoodyBlumes said:

Wow, well it would be interesting to read about how she transitioned to graphic sex scenes

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The way I heard it originally is that it wasn't graphic sex scenes, but simply naked people, like you see in many classical paintings. The story was that Prince did not have a reference to nudity outside of sex (which is how things are in the USA, unfortunately, there is a prudish culture there that unfortunately has influence worldwide, where other levels of prudishness also interact) and equated that to "his baby painting pictures of sex"

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So it may not be a group of people copulating, but might be more like a classical painting when the picture is finally revealed.

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Reply #166 posted 09/05/20 2:49am

icecreamcastle
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SchlomoThaHomo said:

violetcrush said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


icecreamcastle777 said:
You're surprised about that??? Didn't you know Sussanah, her family, and crew from back then says practically every song after 1982 is a song Prince wrote about Susannah?? wink [Edited 9/3/20 20:09pm]

Yea but this one seemed extra ridiculous. At least there’s some grey area with the others.


Really??? How is that so ridiculous?? It's far from just one lyric. She's literally singing backrounds with some primary vocals throughout the song with him, and the song is about the two of them making love during the "apocalypse" as he describes it in the song.


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As soldiers draw swords of sorrow
My baby draws pictures of sex (Yes, she does)
All over the walls in graphic detail - sex!

[Chorus 2]
Everybody say it now
Expert lover, huh, my baby
Ever had a Crystal Ball?
Under... undercover, ha, no maybe
All for fun and fun for all


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Really not sure why it's so hard for folks to get the fact that Prince was engaged to, and living with the woman at the time he wrote the song. He refers to "my baby" throughout the entire song.



Definitely not hard to get, oh Condescending one. lol In this instance of this song, I find it hard to buy. It’s not like she hasn’t erroneously taken credit for being the inspiration for a song in the past (and been corrected by Prince). Do you think because she performed on a song that means she was the inspiration for it? I do think she unquestionably inspired certain songs. But I don’t think this is one of them.


Right. It's just too damn presumptuous when the man who wrote the songs didn't tell you that any of the songs were inspired by you, (except for maybe one) but you take it upon yourself to start naming off his whole damn catalog. lol Yea, you might be on the money about a few of them, but you're bound to get some of them wrong. The Beautiful Ones wasn't the only song that she had to be corrected about either. She used to say she inspired Strange Relationship too. Until that was a big NO. She needs to calm down and be a little less ambitious with the songs she's ticking off. It's not like Prince told her anything, and last time I checked, nobody could read the man's mind.
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Reply #167 posted 09/05/20 3:00am

icecreamcastle
777

MoodyBlumes said:



LoveGalore said:


violetcrush said:



Nope. I absolutely DO NOT think that just because she performed on a song that she was the subject or inspiration for the song. However, he refers to "my baby draws pictures all over the walls in graphic detail..." AND also refers to "my baby" as the "expert lover" in the song. So, what you seem to be saying is that only the ONE lyric, which includes the term "my baby" refers to Susannah, but for ALL of the other lyrics that include "my baby" all through the song he's NOT referring to her?? Okay, sure. Come on!! That just makes no logical sense at all.


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Regarding "erroneously taking credit for being the inspiration for a song".....you need to go back and really read that 2015 Ebony interview. Prince NEVER once stated the song was NOT about Susannah Melvoin - even when he was asked point blank. Yes, he confirmed the specific lyric "the beautiful ones always smash the picture" was referencing Vanity, because she had just left the film. However, this is what he stated when he was directly asked about Susannah:


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EBONY: I’ve read “The Beautiful Ones” was based on Susannah Melvoin.

Prince: Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now. It wouldn’t have worked if it was. This was literally for that character. And that’s why it worked. Everybody thinks the song is about them. “This song’s about me and the other one’s about Bob Seger.” [laughter]

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Come on!! If that's not deflecting and talking around the specific question to avoid giving a direct "yes or no" answer I don't know what is!! Alan Light's book about PR had just been released and I have no doubt Prince read that book as he and Alan were friends. The comment about Bob Seger came from that book. It's Matt's account of Prince wanting to write a song that would appeal to the masses. He had also been fueding with Susannah about using The Family name and they had stopped speaking.

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Here is Prince at his first P&M show January 21, 2016, right before he plays TBO:

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"Some singers have the courage to tell you- and if they're male don't let them lie to you - we ALL write songs to "cop" girls..."

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This was the account all along. Susannah had a serious boyfriend when he met her, so she was not available to him for quite awhile. She's confirmed that he courted her for almost a year before they slept together. So, I would imagine the issues of Vanity leaving the film coupled with his frustration about wanting to be with someone who he could not immediately have would produce a song like TBO.

[Edited 9/4/20 5:18am]



So not even Prince himself can tell y'all what the tea is, ya gotta stick to your guns forever. What a hill to die on.

Well apparently the journalist wasn't interested in Prince's tea. Why would he ask again if Prince already already answered the question? I think Prince reacted gracefully, he did share that he didn't appreciate people claiming inspiration for his songs.


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From the article:


"And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

[Edited 9/4/20 9:42am]



Right. What more did the journalists want? Prince literally and specifically told the man who the song was about IN FREAKING DETAILS two paragraphs up. The journalist was intentionally being insensitive trying to get Prince to insult Susannah, so Prince gracefully shut his ass down. It's not hard to understand what he did there if you have sense, since you can see his explanation about the scene and Vanity inspiring the song right above it, lol
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Reply #168 posted 09/05/20 3:10am

NME01

RighteousOne said:



donnyenglish said:


The SOTT band shade was less this time but there were moments. I find it interesting that Susan Rogers felt like Prince lost something when he went with the “Oakland” band. Prince seemed to think that band took him higher. Many fans agree with Prince that his SOTT/Lovesexy band was an improvement from his previous bands.

Pointless to compare. Each had their own unique traits. In terms of recording, I guess the band were more evident on the next album, Lovesexy. Just as brilliant, in my view, but for different reasons. When the LOVESEXY special edition podcast comes along, I'm sure you'll get your fill.


[Edited 9/3/20 11:43am]

[Edited 9/3/20 11:46am]



Do we know that the SOTT / LS band appeared much on the recording of LS? It all sounds very programmed to me, and would fit P getting excited about all his new PP gear. There was that BTS video of Femi showing a typical recording session output - think it was the recording of LoveSexy title track. Can't see why you'd need a live band for that. The Femi tells.it, it was typical P burning the midnight oil and layering the track on his own.

Dance On could be more collaborative (with Shelia E).
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Reply #169 posted 09/05/20 5:15am

icecreamcastle
777

rap said:

The quality of the footage from the New Year's Eve Concert looks substandard!



What did you say about the DVD from the 1999 Superdeluxe? That one was hella bad.
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Reply #170 posted 09/05/20 5:28am

OnlyNDaUsa

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icecreamcastle777 said:

rap said:

The quality of the footage from the New Year's Eve Concert looks substandard!

What did you say about the DVD from the 1999 Superdeluxe? That one was hella bad.

that is why they need to make a website to put up video/audio of all the shows and rehearsals and jams and the like...

"Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!"
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Reply #171 posted 09/05/20 5:30am

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a song being inspited by some event or some person is not always the same as that song being about that person or event.

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Reply #172 posted 09/05/20 5:46am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Right. As I stated above, I did not notice the "Prince only" version played during the Podcast. I had only heard the edited "Prince and Wendy" version, which makes more sense as a finished track, as it is a conversation between a guy and a girl about pretty-but-airheaded women.

Well now that we are all on the same page on Eggplant, let's regroup after we take another glance at the SDE tracklist and commit it to memory.

Last time I checked, the subject of this thread is episode 2 of the SOTT podcast and what was diiscussed - not who has the traklist better memorized biggrin

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Reply #173 posted 09/05/20 5:52am

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



LoveGalore said:


violetcrush said:



Right. As I stated above, I did not notice the "Prince only" version played during the Podcast. I had only heard the edited "Prince and Wendy" version, which makes more sense as a finished track, as it is a conversation between a guy and a girl about pretty-but-airheaded women.



Well now that we are all on the same page on Eggplant, let's regroup after we take another glance at the SDE tracklist and commit it to memory.


Last time I checked, the subject of this thread is episode 2 of the SOTT podcast and what was diiscussed - not who has the traklist better memorized biggrin



Yes but if you memorize the tracklist then you're aware of why they're playing songs in the podcast.
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Reply #174 posted 09/05/20 5:54am

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Well apparently the journalist wasn't interested in Prince's tea. Why would he ask again if Prince already already answered the question? I think Prince reacted gracefully, he did share that he didn't appreciate people claiming inspiration for his songs.

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From the article:

"And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

[Edited 9/4/20 9:42am]

Right. What more did the journalists want? Prince literally and specifically told the man who the song was about IN FREAKING DETAILS two paragraphs up. The journalist was intentionally being insensitive trying to get Prince to insult Susannah, so Prince gracefully shut his ass down. It's not hard to understand what he did there if you have sense, since you can see his explanation about the scene and Vanity inspiring the song right above it, lol . [Edited 9/5/20 5:37am]

THe journalist was trying to get Prince to insult Susannah?? NOW who is the one trying to get into someone else's mind to create the narrative??!!! The journalist questioned him AGAIN, because, as typical, Prince was being VERY vague in his response about the inspiration for the ENTIRE song. He attributed ONE lyric to Vanity - her leaving the film.

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Question: where did Prince state "no, the song had nothing to do with my feelings for Susannah Melvoin at that time"??? Show me where he actually answered the journalist's question directly. He didn't. Instead, he went on a deflective rant about the entire song being about "nothing carnal" and only a "spiritual" inspiration. Okay, sure, then that would take Vanity out of the mix too.

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Prince did this ALL THE TIME when he did not want to divulge his personal feelings about his songs. Either HE was the one giving the information on HIS terms, or he would not talk about it. Classic Prince. Which brings us to his first P&M show January 2016, where he verbally addressed how he wrote TBO to "cop" or get a girl. HIS terms. He was the one deciding what he was going to divulge to his fans without a reporter directing the conversation. Pretty easy to figure that out.

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Reply #175 posted 09/05/20 5:56am

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icecreamcastle777 said:

rap said:

The quality of the footage from the New Year's Eve Concert looks substandard!

What did you say about the DVD from the 1999 Superdeluxe? That one was hella bad.

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Because it was video instead of film?

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This failure has lead to many disasters, many moments that will not be showed in their finest glory.

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Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #176 posted 09/05/20 5:57am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Last time I checked, the subject of this thread is episode 2 of the SOTT podcast and what was diiscussed - not who has the traklist better memorized biggrin

Yes but if you memorize the tracklist then you're aware of why they're playing songs in the podcast.

I know why they are playing the songs on the podcast. However, I did not notice Eggplant played when I first listened to the episode. If this is the only "nit-pick" toward me then I guess I'm doing pretty good. biggrin

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Reply #177 posted 09/05/20 5:58am

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



icecreamcastle777 said:


MoodyBlumes said:


Well apparently the journalist wasn't interested in Prince's tea. Why would he ask again if Prince already already answered the question? I think Prince reacted gracefully, he did share that he didn't appreciate people claiming inspiration for his songs.


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From the article:


"And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”


[Edited 9/4/20 9:42am]



Right. What more did the journalists want? Prince literally and specifically told the man who the song was about IN FREAKING DETAILS two paragraphs up. The journalist was intentionally being insensitive trying to get Prince to insult Susannah, so Prince gracefully shut his ass down. It's not hard to understand what he did there if you have sense, since you can see his explanation about the scene and Vanity inspiring the song right above it, lol . [Edited 9/5/20 5:37am]


THe journalist was trying to get Prince to insult Susannah?? NOW who is the one trying to get into someone else's mind to create the narrative??!!! The journalist questioned him AGAIN, because, as typical, Prince was being VERY vague in his response about the inspiration for the ENTIRE song. He attributed ONE lyric to Vanity - her leaving the film.


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Question: where did Prince state "no, the song had nothing to do with my feelings for Susannah Melvoin at that time"??? Show me where he actually answered the journalist's question directly. He didn't. Instead, he went on a deflective rant about the entire song being about "nothing carnal" and only a "spiritual" inspiration. Okay, sure, then that would take Vanity out of the mix too.


*


Prince did this ALL THE TIME when he did not want to divulge his personal feelings about his songs. Either HE was the one giving the information on HIS terms, or he would not talk about it. Classic Prince. Which brings us to his first P&M show January 2016, where he verbally addressed how he wrote TBO to "cop" or get a girl. HIS terms. He was the one deciding what he was going to divulge to his fans without a reporter directing the conversation. Pretty easy to figure that out.



LMAO
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Reply #178 posted 09/05/20 6:00am

violetcrush

NME01 said:

RighteousOne said:

Pointless to compare. Each had their own unique traits. In terms of recording, I guess the band were more evident on the next album, Lovesexy. Just as brilliant, in my view, but for different reasons. When the LOVESEXY special edition podcast comes along, I'm sure you'll get your fill.

[Edited 9/3/20 11:43am]

[Edited 9/3/20 11:46am]

Do we know that the SOTT / LS band appeared much on the recording of LS? It all sounds very programmed to me, and would fit P getting excited about all his new PP gear. There was that BTS video of Femi showing a typical recording session output - think it was the recording of LoveSexy title track. Can't see why you'd need a live band for that. The Femi tells.it, it was typical P burning the midnight oil and layering the track on his own. Dance On could be more collaborative (with Shelia E).

Right. I thought LoveSexy was mainly Prince recording on his own??? Then the band learned the songs to play live.

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Reply #179 posted 09/05/20 6:15am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

THe journalist was trying to get Prince to insult Susannah?? NOW who is the one trying to get into someone else's mind to create the narrative??!!! The journalist questioned him AGAIN, because, as typical, Prince was being VERY vague in his response about the inspiration for the ENTIRE song. He attributed ONE lyric to Vanity - her leaving the film.

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Question: where did Prince state "no, the song had nothing to do with my feelings for Susannah Melvoin at that time"??? Show me where he actually answered the journalist's question directly. He didn't. Instead, he went on a deflective rant about the entire song being about "nothing carnal" and only a "spiritual" inspiration. Okay, sure, then that would take Vanity out of the mix too.

*

Prince did this ALL THE TIME when he did not want to divulge his personal feelings about his songs. Either HE was the one giving the information on HIS terms, or he would not talk about it. Classic Prince. Which brings us to his first P&M show January 2016, where he verbally addressed how he wrote TBO to "cop" or get a girl. HIS terms. He was the one deciding what he was going to divulge to his fans without a reporter directing the conversation. Pretty easy to figure that out.

LMAO

Prince, January 21, 2016, just before he beings to play TBO:

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"Sometimes singers have the courage to tell you. And if they are male don't let them lie to you. We ALL write songs to "cop" girls."

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Yep. He literally just described the accounts all along of the main inspiration for this song. But okay, you go ahead and believe it was him channeling the "spirits over the rainbow" lol

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